> madshi overreacts about mpv and open source
>freetards think they are entitled to source code
mpv is superior in every way vs. MPC-HC + madVR, and there's a lot of users who realize it now. He's mad and jelly about that you can tell, regardless of what he says.
>proprietary-fags think people are "stealing their ideas" when they implement a generic feature in their own software
Argh it happened... madshi is getting mad... my computer is on fire...
Hope madshi will kick the mpv's developers asses with awesome algorithms.
Can't wait form the next releases.
Mmm... dsplayer is not maintained anymore... That's shit.
Windows fag here.
The only GUI it really needs is a playlist view, and you can get that with some scripts.
>Vsync without having to force it though nvidia control panel
>include autoload-playlist script by default
>include minimal playlist GUI
I only want the playlist GUI because I'll be binging a show and I'll have forgotten exactly which episode I'm on.
Otherwise MPV is pretty great, the only configuration GUI it should use is perhaps one bundled with the installer.
I always read these claims about mpv, there are threads about mpv config files etc, yet no one has yet made a reasonable argument as to why exactly mpv is supposed to be so much better.
This is an honest question.
>editing config manually
You do that with MPC-HC + madVR too, the difference is that with mpv the very standard practice of putting configuration options in a plaintext file is far superior, easier, cleaner, and easier to maintain for a user.
Configuring MPC-HC and related crap is basically a nightmare, everything is non standard mismatched crap that has to be done in it's own unique way.
>as opposed to typing man mpv and looking through garbage linshit tl;dr
It's not my fault your an idiot.
That's an extremely standard way to configure a program. manpage or --help output, and options in a plaintext file.
>want to copy GUI software configs from someone
>just follow the clicks poorly described in a blog post or from a youtube video with dank ass music
>want to copy plain text config from someone
>just grab from the guy's repo/gist/pastebin, edit to your liking, version control it, etc...
plain text config is superior if you are not a pleb.
>>Vsync without having to force it though nvidia control panel
Don't do this. Add dwmflush=windowed to your vo= line instead. VSync will be fixed in the next release.
>>include autoload-playlist script by default
But some people don't want it. I know I don't.
Actually, they don't.
The torrent groups don't give a shit about file sizes, so they just go -crf 16 and roll with it.
Streaming providers like Netflix can't do that, obviously, so they really have to meticulously encode their vids to make them transparent nonetheless.
You should look up some presentations on yt by the head of the encoding division at Neflix. (forgot his name)
>>51591972<rcombs> "your software is worse than mine, but I won't tell you why because then you'd make it better"
<torque> lol cool behavior and mindset<wm4> wow I didn't know he felt this way
<wm4> fuck thisb guy then
<wm4> I wonder what exactly we "stole"
<wm4> (didn't we ask himself several times for help? I never heard a complaint either)
mpv devs are out to improve the state of media players in general. Anyone can look at mpv's algorithms and implement them in their own media players. The devs can openly explain how they work and openly disclose their capabilities, including strengths and weaknesses compared to other implementations.
madshi is just out to get his ego stroked. He's not even smart enough to monetize his renderer. His behaviour is bizarre and user-hostile.
Does mpv support mkv cropping yet?
You were complaining about lack of quality but then you're complaining about filesizes too large?-crf 8-20 -preset veryslow
Is all a bluray movie needs. What are these other people doing that's so much better other than hitting it with unnecessary filters?
I guess what I'm saying is that madshi has no reason to keep his secret sauce secret other than his ego. I was also taking a jab at madshi because wm4 got hired because of mpv and (as far as I know) madshi has gotten shit all money-wise for madVR.
I compiled the new mpv from git and enabled the
display sinc = resample
or how it was.
anyway videos look smoother but if i debug with check-pattern 1=1 it says I have tons of dropped frames.
is it because display sinc breaks the check-pattern1=1 or is my gpu too weak?
Should I even care if it looks better to me?
I have never experienced any of the artefacts you mentioned. Are you sure that wasn't a bandwidth issue?
Because the people at Netflix scan each encode frame by frame and don't allow a single bad frame.
See this video for details on their workflow
You'll come around when the free version of madVR gets abandoned for a paid version and you have to start looking for an alternative. Open source benefits everyone. Now that mpv supports GPU-accelerated Jinc scaling, everyone can use it. If mpv ever dies, someone else can make the next media player using mpv as a base rather than starting from scratch. madVR benefits madshi and madshi alone. madVR dies at madshi's whim, after that, you're back to square one.
Yes I usedvo=waylandbefore and that's the one with the little unmoveable window.vo=opengl:waylandjust spewsafter rendering:OpenGL error INVALID_FRAMEBUFFER_OPERTATION.
Thanks, that makes it usable at last.
I think you're missing the point. What if madshi just loses interest? It's happened before with single-developer freeware. madVR's bus factor is 1. After that, all his improvements to video rendering are gone because they have been kept secret. The next Direct3D/DirectShow-based video renderer will have to be written from scratch. His only reason for keeping them secret is his ego, and that's disgusting.
On the other hand, if all mpv's developers happen to simultaneously lose interest, mpv's improvements to the state of video rendering will not be gone. As open source developers and non-egomaniac non-faggots, the mpv devs have shared their discoveries about video rendering.
I meant auto-cropping from the matroska parameters. VLC can do it.|+ Segment tracks
| + A track
| + Track number: 1 (track ID for mkvmerge & mkvextract: 0)
| + Track UID: 12110043261993466914
| + Track type: video
| + Lacing flag: 0
| + MinCache: 1
| + Codec ID: V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
| + CodecPrivate, length 69 (h.264 profile: High @L4.1)
| + Default duration: 41.708ms (23.976 frames/fields per second for a video track)
| + Video track
| + Pixel width: 1920
| + Pixel height: 1080
| + Display width: 1920
| + Display height: 1080
| + Pixel crop top: 140
| + Pixel crop bottom: 140
Ok f.am, but like I said, you'll come around when madVR dies. He doesn't let anyone "steal" his code, so it will die when he loses interest.
Personally, I don't like relying on software like that.
>i don't want to help open source
>but i want open source to help me
I dunno man, if he did that the freetards will steal it. He pretty much said in those posts that he only cares about himself. I don't see how releasing his source code will benefit him.
Heh, is he MAD that his plans for commercializing madvr flopped? He invented smoothmotion I would give him that but he implemented upscaling techniques from Imagemagick and incorporated open source shaders giving little credit himself.
Why is he an idiot? Because he doesn't want to waste time going through 20+ pages of arguments and their explanations and instructions just to make the player behave sanely, when other players have GUIs thsy can make the job 10x easier snd faster? Get the fuck off of your high horse holy shit
> Because he doesn't want to waste time going through 20+ pages of arguments and their explanations and instructions just to make
Instead they watch 30 min video guides made by 13 year old boys on youtube to learn how the configure the options on the GUI.
There is no single best shader. Experiment with various options. Sigmoidized upscaling works well for anime.
I prefer regular ewa_lanczos +antiringing + lumasharp post shader to ewa_lanczossharp.
If you have weak GPU then mitchell cscale is virtually indistinguishable from lanczos for big GPU power saving.
> Because he doesn't want to waste time going through 20+ pages of arguments and their explanations and instructions
The primary reason I called him an idiot was because he didn't understand how to use manpages, comments like this indicate you don't know how to use manpages.
>just to make the player behave sanely
mpv has very sane defaults and works well with no configuration at all.
> when other players have GUIs thsy can make the job 10x easier snd faster?
To me configuring MPC-HC and related stuff is 10x harder and slower.
Madshi did all the work. The retard "wm4" stole most of it and presented it in open source code to make it look ok.
p.s no where in that thread indicates that Madshi is mad. He's just saying he will never help them because they didn't give him credit.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess.
> mpv has very sane defaults and works well with no configuration at all.
> 9, 0 :: vol down, up
> > when other players have GUIs thsy can make the job 10x easier snd faster?
When I used mpc-hc
> To me configuring MPC-HC and related stuff is 10x harder and slower.
> To me
Glad you cleared that up for everyone chucklefuck
>People download the installer, run the installer and watch their favorite animus with zero complaints
I think quite a few animu watchers will start to tinker with their video player sooner or later and obsess about details, which is fine by me, because video processing can be quite interesting.
Vanilla MPC-HC is pretty bad.
They could use CCCP and get that experience, but default CCCP is not going to give you high quality rendering.
If "plebs use inferior things because of conscience" is your argument, then that's fine.
You can pretend there is subjectivity all you want but just taking one look at the mpv subreddit on /g/ you can see it's full of people adding to and fine tuning their autistic .conf files in order to make the UX slightly less shitty. If I'm unhappy with how mpc behaves I simply click on a checkbox.
> GUIs are not documentation lad.
The fuck are you even trying to say
> Deceive yourself all you want. mpv has several GUIs, not that you would read about them because reading is for fagets
I'm aware of themand I've tried the ones available for my system and guess what? They're all shittier than the lua UI.
>mpv subreddit on /g/ you can see it's full of people adding to and fine tuning their autistic .conf files in order to make the UX slightly less shitty
Usually those kind of people disable the OSC, and their configuration has nothing to with altering the user interface of mpv.
> muh placebo
> muh need to feel superior from whatever application I use to watch my Indonesian flip book porn
I rest my point.
el oh el
UX != UI, you know that, right?
What is the best config for nvidia mid end graphic card? Pls i don't found nothing on google
That's it, by just putting that in a plaintext you have the highest quality rendering/upscaling.
>memevr dev buttblasted because plex picked mpv as their player of choice.
>memevr dev buttblasted because opensores model of development makes software superior to his own closed piece of trash.
Thanks, works very well.
Why are these people on /g/ then?
Or at least why are they against learning about technology if they're on /g/? This entire board is filled with anti-technology sentiment, stuff like "haha neckbeard faggots reading manpages", or ">using linux". Why would these people go to a technology forum if they hate technology?
>He invented smoothmotion
Can you provide proof?
>he implemented upscaling techniques from Imagemagick
Uh, what? Those techniques were developed long time ago by various mathematicians.
No the great Madshi invented them. How dare you question his capabilities and genius intellect.
Every time I see a thread like this I laugh at the anime faggots that watch so much media on their computer (rather than on their large television in the living room) that they have actual opinions on PC media players. Time to move out of your Mom's basement, fatkids.
Guess what anon? That's exactly what I'm running thanks to Plex. I'm living the dream while you can only share the single, sad goal that you hope to achieve while working at the Verizon kiosk at the mall.
>If they stick with basic software they will remain clueless idiots forever.
Consider the following: These "clueless idiots" arent fat autistic pedos lusting after anime girls and actually just want to watch their shit rather than spend 5 hours reading the mpv manual to rice the video as much as possible in case you see a little chink girls nipple.
it helps with subtitle placement, mostly
Yes, lav video decoder has hwaccel for 10bit HEVC. See pic.
Actually, I think it's time for YOU to leave /g/. You and your ilk only use technology to weeb out your fucking desktops, watch anime, and mindlessly consume. You are the cancer that is ruining this fucking board.
I didn't know much about video either when I started using mpv but just reading the manual and reading mpv threads teached me a lot.
As >>51594599 said, if you're on /g/ but unwilling to learn then you should get the fuck out. You'll never be welcome here.
I honestly would like to know it too.
Upscaling filters - he invented the big amount of zero of them. They're all academic products, and most of them were first and foremost implemented in avisynth plugins or imagemagick. He may be the first to have implemented jinc-filters in a real time player, but that's all, I don't think it's enough to be acknowledge in every other video player from now on.
NNEDI and super-xbr - Same as before. And the author of the ported shaders are acknowledged in the source.
Smoothmotion - this is the only thig I can reasonably think of. Yet the interpolation we have now is quite different from MadVR's (now the default tscale is mitchell, even), and when it was first implemented as smoothmotion it did mentioned MadVR (https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/commit/c29ab5a46b2676d013e4294ee719d83f6bc469b6)
And if I have to add, contrarily to what he says, the only one from mpv that ever came "spreading the word" of this player was haasn, and to back up his words he always presented what madshi is failing to: facts.
He says he's not bitter, but his words reek of revisionism, partiality and butthurt.
It's funny because mpv's implementation of smoothmotion is much better and can be configured to use different scaling algorithms for fine-tuning while madVR's implementation is just an obscure checkbox.
>the current year
>still using smoothmotion
>not watching your videos on a TV that supports all of the common refresh rates
>not using xrandr.lua to switch refresh rates automatically
I dont understand why madshi wont just open source madvr. Its not like he is selling it or making any money from it being closed source. His bullshit "muh child" ego argument does not make sense.
Meanwhile SmoothVideo Project ran away with $50,000 copying both of their ideas.
You should probably learn what that word means first.
As far as degrading image detail, I highly doubt anyone can actually notice it unless you go out of your way to put retarded settings on it. Your argument so far is basically makes you seem like some kind of videophile.
However, there are situations where debanding is highly useful and desirable, so it makes little sense to ever turn it off unless your CPU is just a piece of shit or something.
>I highly doubt anyone can actually notice it
This is the same frame, same settings except one with deband and one without.
This is the one without deband.
This is the one with deband.
They're visibly different, the deband filter effected the way the video looks and not just with banding. Look at her hair on the right for example, it took away a lot of detail there and smoothed it out.
The two frames are almost visually identical and really the main difference is that the grain between the two shots is slightly different maybe. A lot of detail? Nonsense. These images are so close that I don't believe I could reliably double blind them.
>The two frames are almost visually identical
If you can't see what you're supposed to see there, your monitor and/or eyeballs are shit.
>These images are so close that I don't believe I could reliably double blind them.
If you mixed them up I would still be able to tell which was the one with debanding on and which was the one without.
Film grain was originally caused by film producers being cheap. It's now mostly caused by idiots who deliberately add it to their well-lit digital shots. In both cases it is losing detail.
If the grain/noise is already there then sadly it is not possible to remove it without further detail loss. That doesn't mean you should deliberately add more!
Now find a scene with really shitty banding and compare it.
The tiny amount of details loss (if you can even call it that) is a very small price to pay to get rid of banding everywhere else.
It does when you disable the grain (despite also losing detail, but in this case it's so minor that it's a good tradeoff). >>51597645
please post a version with deband-grain=0 so we can see how it can look at its best.
>He's been at it for 10 years, and he's made tremendous contributions.
I don't get what hes mad about. Its closed source. Unless the reverse engineered the binaries and stole source code, then it doesn't really matter.
Anyone who backs madshi in this case should realize they are advocating for software patents. This makes as much as sense as being mad at Samsung for "stealing" Apple's rounded rectangles.
Lastly, after reading the thread, mpv is superior not just for being open sores, but also cross platform. A cross platform application like Kodi should take care in officially supporting solutions that work on more than just Window.
>Film grain was originally caused by film producers being cheap. It's now mostly caused by idiots who deliberately add it to their well-lit digital shots. In both cases it is losing detail.
Incorrect. Noise exists in all photography. regardless of ISO setting, illumination, camera, film (or digital sensor).
> It's now mostly caused by idiots who deliberately add it to their well-lit digital shots. In both cases it is losing detail.
Some filmmakers may intentionally add film grain, but it's not as if there was none immediately after photography.
>If the grain/noise is already there then sadly it is not possible to remove it without further detail loss.
If you consider the noise part of the signal, then yes, but that's generally not the case, and while our methods of removing grain are imperfect, a perfect denoise filter doesn't lower quality.
>That doesn't mean you should deliberately add more!
In the case of debanding, adding noise helps to conceal the residual bands that debanding filters can't remove without adversely affecting portions of the frame that ought not to be debanded.
Clearly more detail.
The texture on this board is not banding.
It most definitely is if your source is good and doesn't have banding, i.e. what most fansubs should be. It just degrades quality for no reason whatsoever there.
Kek, this faggot is so buttblasted that nobody wants to use his inferior closed source dogshit anymore.
Makes me so happy to see faggots like this get BTFO.
>Recently mpv has started copying a lot of ideas from madVR, including some algorithms I invented myself (things nobody else ever did before), without giving any credit. And when they found a bug in one of my algorithms, they didn't bother to report it to me, instead they used it to advertize their own solution as being "superior".
That's what you get when your project isn't open source.
>needing a GUI for a video player
what the fuck do you do? open the video player without a file and just look at the buttons all day?
Stop being a retard, retard.
Haven't updated my config in ages. Does anything need to be changed?
The image switching script also highlights the image border catching your eye and drawing it away from the other more subtle differences. It’s simply less visible there. Those sites are shit for anything but very obvious differences.
>Those sites are shit for anything but very obvious differences
This I really don't understand. The site merely shows the original .png file that hasn't been tempered with at all!
The torrent groups don't give a shit about file sizes, so they just go -crf 16 and roll with it.
Yeah shit torrent groups that you're familiar with.
>I have never experienced any of the artefacts you mentioned. Are you sure that wasn't a bandwidth issue?
Because you're blind or watch Netflix on a tiny monitor.
A few of my favorites are CtrlHD, DON, NiP, D-Z0N3 , Tay-To, etc. One of the few I really like when I download from a source that's very grainy is the group Wiki. They manage to keep a lot of grain while keeping the file size down.
No Yiff-Yiff here.
>that massive retard is an mpv dev
Going back to MPC. He seriously considering trying to do a simulcast startup with no plans other than "I wanna go to Japan to acquire licenses" and "The project brief is 'Crunchyroll with better encoding and subs', I'll figure out the rest after I strike deals with studios and publishers."
I unfortunately don't keep logs but it took a lot of people to convince him it was a stupid idea. I only share one IRC channel with him though and I can't be positive it was the only place it was discussed in depth. Somebody else might have something. This was in ITW's channel for the record.
You'd think he'd learn a lesson about how software can become better with more than one contributor, or at least that targeting only one platform (Windows) might bite you in the ass, but nope.
I've been using mpv since it first became a thing, and that's because it was forked off mplayer2 and that ran an order of magnitude better than anything else on my toaster. That includes madVR, which simply didn't run at all. Why would Plex want to hire someone that excludes so many people from using their software? That's contrary to any sane business strategy.
>To be honest, I'm with madshi on this one. He's been at it for 10 years, and he's made tremendous contributions.
So nobody is ever allowed to build on the contributions he made? Because he discovered a certain algorithm first, he's the only person that is ever allowed to use it? That's fucking lunacy.
>Just use SVP and enjoy your artifacts and soap effect, retard. Nobody sane actually wants that shit because it looks like shit.
Holy shit anon I was just asking a question. There are some people who obviously want it otherwise it wouldn't be put into televisions nowadays.
Because for certain media I like watching that that way. I'm not watching the films like the Godfather in 60fps, ffs.
It's great for anything that isn't anime. Seriously, once you're used to 60fps there is no "soap opera effect" and everything else looks like a slideshow. I don't understand how people put up with 24fps. It's literally the bare-minimum needed to show smooth motion to an untrained eye, and only exists as a thing because it allowed them to save money on film. So they took a lightbulb and flipped it on and off at it at increasingly high intervals until they found the slowest rate they could run it at while alienating the fewest people. That's 24fps.
SVP only runs on Windows. Or potentially with Wine if you're willing to put up with that shit.
>Because he discovered a certain algorithm first, he's the only person that is ever allowed to use it? That's fucking lunacy.
Better question is why a legion of 1,000 freetards cannot develop a better algorithm than 1 single man?
If that were the case it would also run on OSX, but I don't see that happening either.
They did, which is why madshi is so pissed off. They took his implementations and made them better, and open-sourced it to boot.
>Recently mpv has started copying a lot of ideas from madVR, including some algorithms I invented myself (things nobody else ever did before), without giving any credit. And when they found a bug in one of my algorithms, they didn't bother to report it to me, instead they used it to advertize their own solution as being "superior". I only heard about it months later from a user. Furthermore, mpv fans are going through many forums now, trying to convince madVR users to switch to mpv because they say it now would have all important madVR features and at better quality (which is both not true).
mad that mpv is better than his shit
No, that's jinc, which is absolutely not developed by him.
And to be extremely fair haasn always said that the issue with it was with a questionable, not configurable by users, default radius more than a bug in itself. The "MadVR has bugged jinc" statement madshi is referring to is a meme born here, to tell how little he himself knows about the "background/history", as he called it.
Closed-source freeware is pure egotism. You're not even getting a profit from it, it's just "I don't want to get paid, but I also want you all to look up to me and only me so nobody is allowed to touch upon what I've done"
>mpv is better
>mpv is better
>mpv is better
...better at what, exactly?
>muh text config
You want a media player to endlessly tinker and flatter your kiddie scripting abilities with? Do you buy a car just to disassemble and reassemble it?
>muh lack of ui
Press 1 = MPC-HC minimal mode. What else, faggots?
>configuring mpv is easy
>configuring MPC-HC is hard
Ah, so that's why we have a 24/7 MPC-HC help thread on /g/, and mpv fags are nowhere to be seen since they're off watching videos
>"mpv has very sane defaults and works well with no configuration at all."
>OSD popup all over your video
>retarded right-click pause/play
>no scrollwheel volume
>no chapter titles
>broken ordered chapter support.
Hello, my name is Eraldo
I abandoned madVR recently and I was thinking about mpv + GNUPLOT combo, do you think it is a solid choice?
If you weren't the cancer killing /g/, you would've known that i was referring to which programming language is your favourite.
But since your a disgusting normie, you obviously don't program, so get the fuck out of /g/ you don't belong here.
There's nothing even remotely hard about using mpv. You don't have to use any scripts or edit any config files. Just download the program and start watching videos and its already better than any other video player
>its already better than any other video player
So I can use the seekbar without covering up my video with an OSD, I can move the video by clicking on the screen without covering up the video with an OSD, I have chapter names, and with a right-click I have access to every option?
mpv has no answer to the basic functions of MPC-HC.
I install it now and again to see if it's gotten any better, and every time I come to the conclusion that the developer is fucking retarded about basic ergonomics.
If you're a 'tard, don't try to get creative.
Different strokes for different folks. I prefer the way mpv works. I've got it set up to automatically open fullscreen on my TV and it ends up working better than MPC-HC does because I don't typically use my mouse when interacting with it.
That's fine. I don't care what anyone uses. It's the short man syndrome of mpv shills that I find annoying. I don't like lies, and that's all they do to try to pass themselves off as something other than the manlets of the media player world.
>implying you're not the exact same as them
Where's my thread whining about how someone is using mpv? Hint: it doesn't exist, unlike this lengthy one complaining how one man has completely shown up the entire freetard community.
>IT SHOULD BE FREE IT SHOULD BE FREE IT SHOULD BE FREE IT SHOULD BE FREE IT SHOULD BE FREE BECAUSE I WAAAAAAANT IT THAT WAY, AND IF YOU DON'T I"M GOING TO COMPLAIN ON GEEEEEE!
>YOU SELFISH BASTARD!