/hpg/ - Headphone General

598SE Master Race

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>>51589432
Damn I didn't know people bought headphone amps for Beats. Also sup.

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Good morning.

reminder

hd600 for $250

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/146611-REG/Sennheiser_HD_600_HD_600_Headphone.html

use code IOS2015 when its in the cart

Sup.

>Budget
$200
>Location
EU
>Source
PC
>Preferred type of headphone
Not IEMs
>Open or closed
Supra-aural & open, I hate being closed off to hearing other stuff going on outside my room
>Comfort level
Must be VERY LIGHT otherwise don't bother, I'm wearing my headphones up to 15 hours a day.
>Preferred tonal balance
doesn't matter
>Preferred music
doesn't matter
>Past headphones
doesn't matter

got some jaybirds x2 :D

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>>51589481
Sup m8

What does /hpg/ think about DIY amps?

>>51589727
O2 is great.
>>51589686
Whats album in the bottom corner m8.

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What do i give to my brother this christmas
hmm

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>>51589518
>Due to export regulations and/or manufacturers restrictions, we are unable to accept orders with a shipping address in CANADA for the following item

$334.30
It would cost me to buy it anyway; fuck this 'dude weed' ass country.

Hey /hpg/. I recently ordered some MEE AF16s for like $17. The Plantronics BackBeat Go 2 are going for $40 on Amazon right now. Should I return the AF16s and get the BackBeats? Main usage would be while cycling and I'm looking for neutral sound.

Am I making a terrible decision in buying a DT770 80ohm?

>>51589932
Both of it aren't neutral anyway.

>>51589805
a bj

In terms of SOUND,

AD500x vs SHP9500 vs DT770 Pro

>>51589952
What would you recommend that's under $50?

>>51590113
DT770

>>51590113
SHP9500

>>51590172
Dunno man. Most people here despise bluetooth, include me. Just stick to your AF16s.

>>51589741
Left bottom corner: David Bowie - Low
Right bottom corner: Leonard Cohen - Songs of Leonard Cohen

What are the best open all-purpose headphones under €150? Audio Technica ATH-M50x look great, but would rather have open ones.

>>51590247
Sennheiser HD 598

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>>51590273
>snapheiser

i ordered the steelseries h on black friday. how hard did i fuck up?

>>51590287
wew lad
was about to buy the HD 598s, but after looking up on google, it seems like a fucking lot of people have this part broken
now I'll pass on that piece of shit!

>>51590287
>>51590273

Any alternatives that don't snap?

>>51590350
SHP 9500

>Budget £130 To £200
>Location Uk
>Source Pc, does using a usb converter degrade quality?.
>Preferred type of headphone Full.
>Open or closed Closed or a open with low sound leakage
>Comfort level Comfy Pref replaceable pads
>Preferred tonal balance
>Preferred music Rock/Classical
>Past headphones All sennheiser £50 ones that were very good.
>Other. The ones I am looking at are the Game one as I want one with a mic or the pc333 as they also have a mic.
Not much of a audio expert but I enjoy a good quality.

>>51590420
>>51590350
Or else you could try a semi-open headphone like AKG K142 HD

>>51590450
Sorry I mean the game zero

>>51590451
>AKG K142 HD
How do "semi-open" ones work?

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Considering replacing the Aya with the MH335DWSR with titanium tubing but it costs double the Aya.

>>51590581
what is wrong with you

>>51590596
It's nice since I got rid of my headphone setup for a portable one. You can focus on getting the best IEM possible because they sound nice pretty much out of everything.

Anyone with akg knowledge here? How are the k545 k701 and k702?

>>51590699
Confirmed for autist

>>51590699
i was more concerned with the music player that costs more than a top of the line desktop computer and obscure custom in-ears

how white are you

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Who /m50x/ here?

>implying they're not the best headphones under 200 dollars

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Morning /hpg/, fucking headache...

>>51590699
>because they sound nice pretty much out of everything.
>still buying a meme dap for absolutely no perceivable increase in sound quality
ok

>>51590492
They provide a decent soundstage at the expense of isolation. It should be a balance between closed and open headphones.

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>>51590866
>Rammstein
>mah nigga
Their concert was the best I've ever seen, on a totally higher level

>Budget
<200 NZD

>Location
NZ, willing to buy through Amazon.com as long as the price is good, and of course it has to ship here

>Source
Phone and PC

>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized

>Open or closed
Willing to consider both

>Comfort level
Comfy enough

>Preferred tonal balance
Accurate and detailed sound. However something that makes vocals and highs sound amazing would be nice, but like I said I like separation/detail that immerses me into the music. I don't like narrow sound that makes my ears fatigue.

>Preferred music
I listen to pop, synthpop, hip hop, alt, indie, sometimes EDM/house

>Past headphones
ATHPro5Mk2 and Sennheiser CX-300 II iems

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Does anyone have any experience using bone conduction headphones? Any specific brands or makes worth buying?

My mom was diagnosed a year or so ago with major hearing loss, and one thing that's really gotten to her is not being able to listen to music.

She's mentioned in the past that, during hearing tests, she could hear perfectly when they performed some sort of test using bone conduction, so I was thinking of picking up some sort of bone conductive headphone set as a christmas gift.

My only concern is that the commercially available headphones are little more than gimmicky pieces of trash that simply don't work.

>>51591132
Fidelio X2 would be perfect for you, but it's probably a bit over your budget

>>51591390

Yeah, it's too expensive for me to consider atm.

>>51591457
If what you long for is instruments' separation, you should get an open/semi-open headphone. For the music genres you like a bassy/V-shaped headphone would be great, but apart from Fidelio X2 I don't know many other headphones.

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Why does the Sennheiser 598SE sound so muddy and muffled?

>>51591564
It's due to Sennheiser's advanced EAR technology

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What will produce better sound quality within the same price range?

A portable media player or a DAC on a computer?

Let's just say the cans are mid range to high range.

>>51589905
>He gets mad at weed

>>51590803
>Closed back
Hello I was wondering if you could piss all over my cock?

>Budget
£65
>Location
UK
>Source
Computer
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Needs to be comfy enough to wear for long gaming sessions
>Preferred tonal balance
Being used for gaming, whatever is best. Prefer bass but something that gives crisp audio
>Preferred music
Will be using these for gaming, but I listen to a lot of Chillstep and other relaxed EDM
>Past headphones
First time ever investing in headphones

>>51591706

>Open or closed
I am not actually too bothered about this actually, whatever you think is best, as I don't have pets or much noise that needs cancelled

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>>51591691
I would be happy to pee pee on your cock my friend

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What song are you listening to right now, bros?

Nujabes- luv sic pt. 5

>>51591672
DAC on computer, obviously.

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>>51591748
this

>>51590336
>>51590287
>google sennheiser snap, hd598 broken
>no results, except one after 5 and HALF YEAR of usage
shill harder

what pads fit the takstar hi2050's? the ones they come with are really fucking itchy

>>51590581
You'd better fared with Monet17 for your waifu m8.

so what have yall bought lately? I managed to get a nad hp50 for $160. thought about the m100 but the bass it too much for me. msr7 was barely discounted and I have the m40x for that role anyways. almost got the he400i, but I can't justify $300 right now when I want other shit.

>>51591564
kinda feel the same. mine arrived today, I don't know, they don't sound as i thought they would.

maybe i need a dac/amp or something? they're plugged straight into my motherboard right now.

>>51590581
I didn't realize they offered that tubing stuff out out of Japan now.
And why that one anyway?

>>51590717
702 is 701 plus removable cable.
K545 sounds like k550, but smaller and more sealing problems.

>>51592192
The problem with Sennheiser HD 558/598 is that they need an amp to sound decent, despite their high sensitivity and quite low impedance. Everyone with a decent experience with them says so on headphones forums.

>>51592335
>they need an amp to sound decent, despite their...quite low impedance
That is the complete opposite of how that works. Even so, they always sound like they do, regardless of electronics. At least its easy enough to apply EQ..

>>51589905
>US now has legal weed in several places
>still rock bottom prices
lel. I feel for canada and eu bros but hey you guys have great social services. now places like brazil are just dumb.

>>51589525
558

>>51592335
>>51592192
more like people blindly bought the 598 because it was on sale and they were told it was good by people in black friday generals. being plebs they didn't consider things like signature.

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>>51592192
we fell for the meme, bros

>>51592335
Sounds like complete and utter bollocks. Look at their frequency response, you'll easily be able to tell they are midbass boosted.

>>51592335
>558/598
>needing amp

Complete garbage.

>>51591672
pretty much all dacs, even ones on portable players, are audibly indistinguishable. the amp is more likely to cause a change in sound, and many portable players have shitty amps.

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My memes.

>>51592436
>>51592420
>>51592408
>>51592396
Like it or not, for how strange it seems, these headphones really require an amp and people who keep telling other people the opposite are either Sennshills or desperate delusional hulan beings. Have you ever wondered why HD 558/598 have a 6.3mm plug as default plug? Do you really think that Sennheiser enginneers have no idea of what they're doing? Jesus Christ, learn to inform yourselves on the product you eant to buy before whining here.

>>51592497
If thats what your washed brain said, okay.

>>51592497
Amps don't or at least shouldn't make your headphones sound different you fucking idiot. The Sennheisers are just a headphone with a ''muddy'' sound signature. That's all there is to it.

>>51592516
> washed brain
I think it's quite the opposite.
Give me a reason why the stock cable for HD 598/558 has a 6.3mm plug.

>>51592414
>blindly following recs on 4chan without doing research
>thinking headphones are split between good and bad with no further considerations

>>51592549
>Amps don't or at least shouldn't make your headphones sound different you fucking idiot.
It's not like that though.
> The Sennheisers are just a headphone with a ''muddy'' sound signature.
It's not true when they're amped correctly.

>>51591564
Mine sound fine, but the clamping force is a bit uncomfortable. I haven't owned normal 598s, are they supposed to be particularly squeezy at first?

>>51592565
Just kill me pham

I just wasted 100 dollarydoos

>>51592497
>Do you really think that Sennheiser enginneers have no idea of what they're doing?
You don't.
Open backed headphones aren't likely the be used outside, and the thicker plug makes it that much less likely to break. It comes with a cheap adapter in the box, so what does it matter.

>>51592613
>amped correctly
Most devices would already do an adequate job.

>>51592694
Return it.

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>>51592675
Odd my hd518 have had very little clamping force even rigjt after purchasing it

Ive heard that the 598 uses a different plastic tho

>>51592694
they are great headphones dont let the shills fool you

>>51592694
>I just wasted 100 dollarydoos

If you don't want them return them, for that price, its sound is worth it.

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>>51592552
because it's meant to be plugged into gear that usually has that jack, you know like studio/production equipment. you'll also notice it has an adapter and the cable can be switched anyways. a lot of headphones come with 6.3mm, doesn't mean they need to be used with an amp or that the opposite is true.

>>51591564
Did yours come with two cables?

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>>51592694
please realize that it's impossible to recommend you a "good" headphone or for you to buy one you enjoy without an idea of what you personally enjoy, the kind of signature you would like. the 598 is not bad, it's a great headphone, but it has a signature most aren't used to. I'm not partial to it myself but I still recognize the strengths of the 598 and use it almost every day.

>>51592694
It said when I ordered the 598se that it came with two cables, I haven't got mine yet, did yours come with two cables

>>51592741
The SE does come with two cables.

>>51592778
the regular 598 only comes with the long cable

>>51592778
Yeah it should have.

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>>51592176
i bought some david clark 10-76 headsets that got mis-listed, and a bunch of different 40mm drivers to experiment with.
i might even try and jam the guts from those goofy pop-up speakers in there for maximum wub.

also a memeclip because my netMD died.

>>51592793
Thanks, and I've listened to 558s before and really liked them, I can only assume that the 598se will be as good or better

>>51592811
the 598 is just a 558 with a slightly different build and the foam pad removed. this is why /hpg/ usually recommends the 558, it's cheaper and you can do the foam mod.

>>51592842
Yea I was looking to get either the 558 or shp9500 but when the 598se went on sale for $90 I just said fuck.it

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So the 598's need a DAC really fucking badly or it will sound like shit. If you fell for the meme yesterday I recommend getting a DAC.

>>51592880
well yeah during sales get the 598, that's when I got mine. shp9500 isn't worth it after the price hike imo.

>>51592906
I doubt they "need a DAC," maybe you mean a headphone amp.

>>51592906
>falling for head-fi memes.
they don't even need an external amp. a dac is going to make zero difference.

>>51592906
It's confirmed. HD598 needs an amp, dac, monster cables and audio marbles to sound good.

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are the 558 and 598 worth upgrading to from the pic related?

>>51592493
MAIAIAI NIGGA

>>51592965
No. The 500 series are all very similar. I think all 3 share the same drivers too. Consider HD600/650 or different brand.

>>51592990
Isn't HD 580 are bit different?

>>51592965
get the m50x, it's better

>Budget
$100 - $200 flexible within that range
>Location
Land of the free
>Source
PC and LG G4 maybe a different portable player if i need one.
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized
>Open or closed
I think I would prefer closed but if it's a big difference in quality or something I'm fine with open.
>Comfort level
Comfortability would be nice but I can sacrifice for quality. I have big ears that stick out a little so on ear headphones hurt. Please keep that in mind.
>Preferred tonal balance
idk
>Preferred music
I like electronic but can also enjoy some strings and instrumentals. Also will once in a while listen to some harder rock.
>Past headphones
Been using Logitech g930 wireless headset for a while. Realize now that it has static and I dont use the wireless that much anyways because its usually charging.

>>51593029
>meme50x

>>51593008
>HD 580
Yeah and so is the 595 but they are both discontinued items so yeah

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>>51593050
>tfw you bought Shitheiser products

>>51592990
>>51593008
the 518 uses the same driver as the 558 and 598, but unlike the other two, the interior structure and grill is different enough so that you can't just mod yourself to a 598 like you can with the 558. the 518 and stock 558 both are not completely open and the reflections are to the detriment of the sound. the hd580 is essentially the same as the hd600, they use the same drivers and have very similar build.

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Hi, Tyll here from InnerFidelity telling you to keep listening and we'll see you in the next one

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Should I buy hd600s or lsr305s? I'm leaning towards the speakers because I have more than enough headphones but how my desk and walls are positioned is going to fuck with the sound.

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Grados for life. That valuable prestige.

>>51593383
Is that actually to scale?
Chances are you will end up with a fuckload of extra bass, but nothing you can't adjust out by EQ..

is the samson go mic really as decent as the reviews seem to be? it looks like a tiny piece of portable crap. But there doesn't seem to be anything else as good for less than $50

>>51593462
ehh roughly. my desk it attached to the wall in this little alcove thing. I could give the speakers more room in back but it would mean either fucking up the angle towards my head or giving up on triple monitor.

>>51593383
Speakers are better than headphones even in an untreated room.

>>51593468
meteor and modmic are $50

>>51592983
yeah boy, been a fan of their designs since the very first one. Wish i could own all the versions. They sound good too.

>>51593523

that is correct. But I am a superjew and to be honest the meteor (which seems higher quality than modmic) doesn't seem much better than the go mic. And that go mic is only $27.50 on newegg. Thats about half the price.

>>51593510
Well, they need at least a little air for the port. But you don't them too far away from the wall either. Once you get past that, a fixed EQ takes care of most of the bass, as long as you don't leave your desk while listening.

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>tfw akg masterrace

I know I probably came into the wrong neighborhood

but how badly did I just fuck up in buying these

http://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Headphones-TurnRaise-Isolating-Microphone/dp/B016KC6URI/ref=sr_1_18?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1448771866&sr=1-18&keywords=gaming+headset&refinements=p_n_feature_two_browse-bin%3A509316


Tired of cords all over my desk, legitimately considering going wireless everything.

Thinking of getting a pair of SHP9500 to replace the QPAD qh-85 shitware I am using now.

Is there anything better in that pricerange for general use with no amp, or is SHP9500 the way to go?

>>51589373
need headphone am that can switch between two inputs

when you have sound card that does not support 192 does that also include the optical output?

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>mfw own both ATH-M50 and HD598
>both are fantastic

>>51593049
Anybody? Pretty please?

Fidelio X2 and HD 598: which has the best soundstage/instruments' separation.

>>51594442
Fidelio X2, Sennheiser HD 598

i thought the difference between a 558 and 598 was a piece of paper ?

>>51594423
why not buy one pair of $300 headphones instead of two?

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>>51594423

>>51594533
Bought the M50s like, 2012. Got the 598's today.

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Oh shit /hpg/ look what's here!

>>51594804
nice 598s

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>>51594821
Not quite. Guess again.

>>51594836
HE400i

>>51594836
AKG K1000

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>>51595012
Close!

Guys, I am planning to get an HD 800 please recommend an AMP/DAC combination. I would not mind paying for the HDVD, but I just wanted what does /g/'s HD800 owners use?

>>51595060
Nice. Are you american?

Guys, I came back home from vacation and my Lepai 2020 is broken. Had it unplugged while I was gone and it worked like a champ for a year and a half.

What's a good replacement amplifier for my speakers? Or should I just get another lepai?

>>51595133
Don't buy the HDVD. It's not a good device. You can do fine with even inexpensive electronics.
If you want something better, look to some of the pro audio converters.

>Budget
under $200

>Location
US

>Source
PC

>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized, over ear preferably

>Open or closed
Open

>Comfort level
doesnt matter

>Preferred tonal balance
V-shaped

>Past headphones
Astros, they sound bad

>>51591931
I haven't tried it before but the other Monet I tried is too strange even for my taste.

>>51592246
My dealer can arrange some sort of deal with Suyama-san.

Based on my experience the MH335DWSR is best FitEar has to offer. A bit of an aggressive, meatier sound. After you try FitEar customs it's hard to go back to Western companies because the build and sound quality are totally in a different level.

>>51595584
Well, give it a try. I heard its really limited to local folks only. Forbidden for baka gaijin to own it.

Are the Fidelio L2 good, I can get those for like a bit over half the retail price

Will there be a difference if I buy a Schiit Fulla or any comparable uner 100$ amp/dac if I have Sennheiser 598 HDs? (50ohm)

>>51592965
NO, they have same drivers.
https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/3cc6fl/my_modified_sennheiser_hd_518_with_log/

Just open the sides and they will almost exactly like 598 (which sound perfect)

>>51595584
The build quality is exceptional, I'm not sure about the sound. But then, no dealers to persuade me otherwise, just some listening at meets to the universals. Not going to make the order, or the effort to try one.
If you are letting go of Aya, I might know of a guy who would be interested in measuring them.

>>51595735
See >>51592719

>>51590803
These sound WAAAAAY worse than senn 598 (or 558s) for that matter.

>>51595441
Do you recommend something to start searching?

>Budget
$100~
>Location
USA
>Source
motherboard
>Preferred type of headphone
Full over ear
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
very important
>Preferred tonal balance
neutral to warm
>Preferred music
prog rock, math rock, hip hop
>Past headphones
MDRV6 (broken) and soundmagic e10 (current)

Would it be worth it for me to get something better than the $50 mdrv6s when I'm really not too picky about sound and mostly prioritize comfort? Is there anything around $100 that's a significant step above? The only reason I want new headphones is that earbuds get uncomfortable after about 20 minutes. I miss being able to listen to music or play games for hours on end.

>Budget
$100-$200

>Location
Canada

>Source
Laptop/Phone

>Preferred type of headphone
IEM or Closed

>Comfort level
sound quality more important

>Preferred music
Pink Floyd, classic rock, classical music

>Past headphones
Sennheiser CX-200

>Budget
$100-$200

>Location
Canada

>Source
Laptop/Phone

>Preferred type of headphone
IEM or closed

>Comfort level
sound quality more important

>Preferred music
Pink Floyd, classic rock, classical

>Past headphones
Sennheiser CX-200

Can anyone recommend me an amp sub $100 (actually € but it doesn't matter) with a 6.5mm output? I'm looking at Amazon's selection but I have no clue on what to get.
I'm using some retro Roelof's.

>>51595359
buy a used yamaha r-500 off ebay they are bretty gud t b h f a m

>>51596184
Lavry, Grace Design, Prism Sound, Benchmark, some companies in general to look for and compare features.
There is the Lynx Hilo, which is quite excellent but pricey.

>Buy LP-120 and have it hooked up to UE Boom speaker with RCA -> 3.5 adapter
>sounds awesome
>JBL 305's come in today, hook one of them up just like with the boom, only difference is added 1/4 to 3.5 adapter between the line and the speaker
>sounds like absolute shit and doesn't hit all the frequencies
>hook up phone to 305's using male to male cable with the 1/4 adapter going into the speaker, sounds just as bad

Ok, I'm starting to panic.
I thought the speakers being active meant I didn't need to worry about amplification or distortion. What am I doing wrong here?

>>51591564
So you didn't break them in yet? How can you fairly judge the sound already then?

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>>51596850
>the 'breaking-in' meme

>>51596816
Another victim fell for the JBL meme speakers

>>51596816
Could be a massive impedance mismatch. Do you have any other source to try them with?

>>51597137
>massive impedance mismatch
Into an amplifier? That sounds unlikely.

>>51596816
I'd assume cabling connector problems first, but both speakers the same?

X2/AKG K7XX >>>>>>>> HD 600 >>>>> planar memes

>>51596727
Wait, I mean DAC. PC > thing > Headphones. Internal audio on this thing is atrocious.

Anyone?

>>51596876
Every HD598 apologist has come straight from Head-Fi, you shouldn't be surprised at this point.

>>51597252
>X2/AKG K7XX
Hahahahaha delusional X2fags think their headphones are even as good as the K7XX.

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>>51594025
Please send help

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Anyone know how I could connect these wired speakers to my PC? What hardware do I need?

>>51597137
>>51597183

Thanks for responding.
I just have one of the speakers powered up right now, and connecting phone, LP120, and sansa clip all give me distorted sound.
I think it MIGHT be the 1/4 adapter. It as three metal bands on it, but iirc I got it years ago with a yamaha keyboard, so maybe it's just not transferring both channels into the speaker?

RCA -> TRS cable won't be in until Tuesday and I have no other adapters handy :(

>>51596813
what do you think of tube amps?

>>51597433
Wait, what are you doing? Are you trying to sum two separate RCA channels into a mono output an the same time?
Is UE Boom a compact stereo?

>>51597432
That's a low impedance speaker. Which almost certainly means you need a speaker amp. Those will come with live wire attachment things so you just clip them in.

Convince me to buy something other than Sennheiser HD 555's. I mostly care about comfort, even to the point of sacrificing a bit of quality. Sennheiser doesn't seem to do either, ever though...

>>51597569

The turntable has RCA out (red and white female) and came with a converter to merge those into a 3.5 male. Using a 3.5 to 1/4 adapter to a single 305 is causing major issues. I swapped the source to my phone and then a sansa mp3 player, using the same 3.5 to 1/4 adapter, but bridging the source to the speaker using a male to male headphone cable.

I think only one channel is getting through, and it's severely distorted and missing certain frequencies.

Will have both speakers wired when I get the cable in, but I SHOULD be able to run just one using this setup, yeah?

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Does anyone know how to disassemble an HD650 at pic related? I can only find instructions for disassembling literally everything else, even videos don't go over that part.

Mine have started to squeak a bit when it swivels so I want to lube it.

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thoughts on these?

>>51597716
Identically to the HD600 if you can find instructions for that. Basically shit just snaps together with plastic, there are no screws.

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Has anyone seen black box packing for MDR-V6 headphones? I've bought two of these before, and they've always had a gold box. A bit of research tells me the black box is Sony's new packaging for these headphones since 2014, but who knows.

I just hope they aren't counterfeit.

>>51597592
Would I need some type of adapter to connect the speaker amps to my audio ports on my mobo or is a straight shoot?

anyone diy their own headphones?

my fab skills are good enough for me, would just need components

>Budget
~$100

>Location
USA

>Source
Laptop

>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized

>Open or closed
Closed

>Comfort level
Very important

>Preferred tonal balance
What ever is nice for listening to music, movies, tv shows, etc.

>Preferred music
Pop, classical

>Past headphones
None

>>51597875
3.5mm to RCA y-split

Alright.
>Budget
$300
>Location
Murifatland
>Source
Desktop
>Preferred type
Over-ear
>Open or closed
No preference
>Comfort level
Must be comfortable for ~3 hours straight. No more is necessary.
>Preferred tonal balance
doesn't matter
>Preferred music
Electronic, some vocals
>Past headphones
California Headphone Company Silverados

>>51597384
X2 are as good as K7XX. They just have a different sound signature.

>>51597768
Yeah, I looked for HD580/600 instructions too, but none of them go over that particular swivel joint for whatever reason.
I'd rather not break it.

>>51597923
Not even close, FR is a rollercoaster of absolute garbage. It's literally U-shaped except it has no subbass.

>>51597701
Does it have this weird spacey sound and is missing most of the bass or something like that? Because it sounds like the two channels are being run up against each other at inverted polarity and being forced to cancel out.
Try again, using output from only one channel at a time.

Are the NVX XPT100s available anywhere for cheaper than $85?

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Any good (low price) DACs that pair well with cheap ass hd681 evos? Sorry for being poor, I needed something neutral for mixing music and they were only $40.

>Budget
£30

>Location
UK

>Source
Bluetooth with my smartphone.

>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized

>Open or closed
Don't care but apparently closed are best if I'm using them outdoors?

>Comfort level
Probably the most important feature for me. I have a big head, the frame of the headphones needs to be big and not fucking crush me. This has been an issue a lot of the time in the past.

I don't have much preference in terms of audio quality, I won't actually be listening to all that much music on them, it's more for watching videos. As long as a human voice is relatively clear I'll be pretty happy. I am primarily concerned with Bluetooth connectivity and comfort.

As a side note, they don't necessarily have to come with a protective case, but the last time I carried headphones around in my bag they broke so ideally they'll either come with one or I could get some advice on where to acquire something for the headphones I am recommended.

Thanks.

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Anyone know a good <$100 DAC with a 6.5mm (1/4) output?
If you know if it ships to the EU/The Netherlands, even better.

>>51597949
> FR is all that matters

>>51598022
If you don't need USB and can live with toslink/coaxial digital only, SMSL SD-793II

>>51598028
>damage control
When the FR is that bad nothing else matters, it's a shit headphone nobody should ever consider and it's a joke that you desperate X2fags would try to put it on the same level as the K7XX. In fact it's a huge insult to the K7XX.

>Budget
~$200-250
>Location
NA
>Source
Desktop computer, integrated soundcard I think
>Preferred type of headphone
Fullsized
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
Maximum comfy
>Preferred tonal balance
Neutral
>Preferred music
No real preference
>Past headphones
Sennheiser 555

help me brothers

>>51598035
Sadly, Amazon doesn't ship that to the Netherlands.
Seems that all proper DACs are $150+, which is a shame as that's out of my reach.

>>51598054
At least X2 users don't run the risk of getting deaf after only few minutes of listening :)

>>51598104
Shenzhenaudio ships worldwide, not sure how you'd get hit with import/tax though.

Alternatively check eBay, SMSL can have qc issues and I've heard of some faulty products so it's best to get it from somewhere you can easily get a refund/replacement.

>>51598123
They do with that treble spike.

>>51597950
>>51597950

YES!
Having both plugged in results in no bass, when I remove one of the RCA's from the line, the volume halves but everything else is clear and the bass is audible.
Does that make the splitter (merger?) or the adapter my issue?

>>51598140
You mistyped K7XX. X2 has a balanced sound.

>>51598151

I'm also about to order a cable that's 3.5 male stereo to 2 TRS/XLR male mono (to go from phone to both speakers, JBL 305s).
Between xlr and trs, is one better than the other?

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>>51598183
You have an interesting definition of balanced

What's the best closed headphone under $2000 that isn't Audeze?

>>51598294
Ether C

>>51591894
Brainwavz HM5 pads should fit.

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>>51598140
Thanks lad, looks like I've got to save up some more, most things are above my budget.

>>51598317
I thought MrSpeakers stuff was not worth the money, or did I get that wrong?

>>51598357
The other stuff was just modded Fostex headphones, these are his first complete in-house headphone and the C sound very similar to the Ether with a little more subbass which already makes them better than any other closed headphone.

>>51598232
The peak at 10 Khz is compensated by the peak at 50 hz, FR is close to linear elsewhere. It's not neutral, but it's balanced.

>>51598371
Sounds nice. Does it matter what AMP/DAC I use with those?

>inb4 somebody tells me there are no differences between a $50 AMP/DAC and a $500 AMP/DAC

>>51598006
>>51598006
>>51598006

Any help?

>>51598405
>The peak at 10 Khz is compensated by the peak at 50 hz
So what compensates the huge dip in the rest of the FR?

>>51598420
>inb4 somebody tells me there are no differences between a $50 AMP/DAC and a $500 AMP/DAC
They'd be right as far as sound quality goes. You don't need something extravagant for any headphone really, and assuming the Ether C are as easy to drive as the Ether (0.071 Vrms needed to reach 90dB SPL, which is much less than your average 'portable, no amp needed' dynamic) then you can get away with a lot. Plus orthodynamics are a resistive load so damping factor is much less important.

Is there better open headphones than SHP9500 around the same price?

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>>51598492
>>They'd be right as far as sound quality goes. You don't need something extravagant for any headphone really, and assuming the Ether C are as easy to drive as the Ether (0.071 Vrms needed to reach 90dB SPL, which is much less than your average 'portable, no amp needed' dynamic) then you can get away with a lot. Plus orthodynamics are a resistive load so damping factor is much less important.

You don't say. Any recommendations for a combined AMP/DAC below $1000?

>>51598151
The merging. It won't matter how nice the cable is, you can't be sending multiple channel signals into the single mono speaker.
I like XLR for the connector, but you may as well pick on price.

>>51598294
I thought the closed Audezes weren't so great.

>>51598532
That depends on what you want.

>Do you want measurable performance and don't need a huge variety of inputs/outputs?
Get an O2/ODAC or Magni 2/Modi 2

>Do you want measurable performance and a variety of I/O options?
Get a used Benchmark DAC1

>Do you want something people will respect you as an 'audiophile' for?
Get whatever tube amp people on Head-Fi or SBAF recommend you with a multibit Bifrost.

>>51598544

Alright, I think I've got it figured out.
TT outputs through two RCA male plugs. It came with a merging cable to change those to either 3.5 male or 3.5 female.
I'm using the female 3.5 with some headphones right now. If all is good, one of these should be all I need to get the speakers up and running?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005HGM1D6

again, thanks a ton for the help

>>51598605
But I need a combined AMP/DAC in one housing, not separate. Sorry for being vague.

>>51598624
Benchmark DAC1 has two headphone outs with a very good (and often undervalued because it looks more like an afterthought when it actually isn't) headphone amp.

O2/ODAC can come in a single unit.

>>51598661
>>O2/ODAC can come in a single unit.

It does? I can't seem to find anything about this on Google. Is it a custom build?

>>51598684
https://www.jdslabs.com/products/48/o2-odac-combo-revb/

Before I start I should say I'm looking for headphones for a very specific use case, and what i'm after might not exist at all

I really don't like on-ear and in-ear headphones. I also have very large ears. This normally isn't a problem because I don't go out much, so I can wear big open headphones inside. Unfortunately my situation has changed and I now find myself regularly commuting for several hours a day via train but also with long periods of walking. I would also like to start endurance running. I need new headphones for these use cases.

My ideal headphones would be closed and around-ear, but with a low profile and a tight fit so they stay on while running and don't look ridiculous while commuting in public. Sound quality is not high on my list of preferences because I realise I need to take what I can get.

>Budget
£100 flexible
>Location
UK
>Source
Undecided but will definitely be a portable player (likely a fiio)
>Preferred type of headphone
full size, circumaural (i have very large ears)
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
comfort > sound quality
>Preferred tonal balance
neutral
>Preferred music
>Past headphones
senn 598, liked the sound of them

>>51598717
>>51598684
Just get JDS Labs Element instead. It's better than the O2/ODAC.

>>51598745
Nah, it's worse than the Magni 2/Modi 2

http://superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/measurements-mid-fi-dac-amp-comb-units-grace-schiit-ifi-lh-jds-etc.427/

>>51598793
>SBAF
>Trusting anything that faggot says ever

He's a Schiit fanboy through and through.

>>51598532
>>51598492
Notes on Ether, the really low impedance might a bit of trouble if you listen quite loud, and/or with EQ. That would be a problem for a phone, not so much for even a very small aftermarket amplifier.

>>51598621
That looks about right. So you are doing RCA-TRS-2xTS in the case of your turntable?

>>51598815
Don't have to listen to what he says when the graphs are right there.

Is it likely that the HD598 are going to go on sale tomorrow again or am I shit out of luck?

>>51598717
>>51598793
So which should I get? I only have one power outlet available with no room to spare for an extender so I can only have a combined unit instead of two units.

>>51598907
The regular Modi 2 is entirely USB powered so you can have the stack and only use the power outlet for the Magni 2.

>>51598863
They are sold for around 150€ on italian Amazon right now. It's no the best price, but it's not bad either

>>51598729
dt770 m8, pretty sure it's £99 on amazon, great sound+build quality and incredibly comfy, I honestly cant see how a pair could be more comfortable than them.

>>51598967
>dt770
>good sound quality
L E L
E
L

>>51598945
Compared to the $98 they were sold for before, it's pretty bad.

>>51598823

RCA male (white and red) come out of the table. They're plugged into a a cable that merges them into a headphone socket (the small 3.5 socket).

So yeah, I'll use that point to either plug in headphones which is working right now, or use the cable I listed if I want to route it to the speakers.

Do I need to worry about unbalanced/balanced stuff?
And I'll also have a Fiio7 portable dac/amp by tomorrow, I assume I can add that to the line without causing any issues and use it volume control?

>>51599315
Here in Italy HD558 are sold for around 100€, which is their list price. Extra 50€ are worth for the HD598, if they're as good as people claim.

>>51599428
>Extra 50€ are worth for the HD598
No, the HD598 are literally the HD558 with foam removed.

The only reason people were buying the HD598SE is because they were cheaper than the HD558.

>>51598967

doesn't look like a bad shout lad, ill have a think on it. cheers

>>51598000
Why even buy dac when youre that poor...

>>51599493
Hi-fi Heaven and many others say that the HD598 have a better soundstage and a more analytical sound. I doubt that removing the foam can magically make the HD558 this good.

>>51599564
It can just as magically as some idiot can spout bullshit like 'soundstage' and 'analytical sound'.

You sound like you should be on Head-Fi, they're more inclined to believe that bullshit. Don't forget to buy some $600 cables to really get the most out of those headphones.

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>>51598531
What about furfags :^)

>>51595660
yes but bassy

>>51599493
And the 518s are the same as 598 minus the leather and velour pads. But hot damn 598s for 98$ should be illegal...

>Budget
<90€
>Location
Europe
>Source
PC/Smartphone
>Preferred type of headphone
IEMs
>Open or closed
-
>Comfort level
Comfy enough
>Preferred tonal balance
Neutral or something with enhanced bass
>Preferred music
All kinds of Pop (Indie, elettro, Britpop etc) Indie Rock, EDM
>Past headphones
AKG K518 / CX 300 II

I'm looking for IEMs good also for games and movies/tv series. Thanks

>>51599564
That foam causes reflections which impact the frequency response. Also please stop taking completely subjective audio reviews and opinions seriously, because chances are they are just making shit up or just don't know what they are talking about.

>>51599579
Be careful to not cut yourself with your edginess, kid.

>Budget
$150-$200.

>Location
Canada.

>Source
PC.

>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized.

>Open or closed
Closed.

>Comfort level
Middle of the road, I guess.

>Preferred tonal balance


>Preferred music
Don't really listen to a lot of music. Need them mostly for vidya and videos.

>Past headphones
A $60 Sony set. Sound quality was fine I guess, but I have nothing better to compare them to. I don't really know what I'm missing out on when it comes to sound quality.

Also, I need a microphone to go along with it, say no more than $60. I won't be casting or anything like that, but I would like for people to be able to understand me pretty easily.

>>51599564
It has out of the box, but the parts numbers for both drivers are the same and I bet my headphones the structure is pretty identical too

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>>51599658
Pads make a pretty big difference to sound. Plus the HD518 has a very different grille to the HD558/598.

>>51599681
I guess it should come as no surprise that you'd be upset after being called out for being retarded.

Best mods for the X2? Or just customization like custom cables.

>>51599717
Yes but you can just remove the platic grill and put a metal grill, or none at all and it will sound perfectly balanced

>>51599346
>unbalanced/balanced stuff
Not really.
>Fiio7 portable dac/amp by tomorrow, I assume I can add that to the line without causing any issues and use it volume control
Should work that way.

>>51599658
>598s for 98$ should be illegal...
What does that make an HD600 for 100 dollars?

>>51597269
smsl has some with the larger output I think. otherwise just use an adapter.

>>51599759
You can, but that takes more effort and required additional parts compared to removing foam from an HD558.

Plus the 558 has nicer color imo.

>>51599761
Lmao, they need an amp and 598s don't so its still about 100$ cheaper...

>>51599777
Wtf, its over 30€ more expensive, waste of money if you ask me. Diy 4 lyfe nigga

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>>51599786
>HD600 need an amp
Show us calculations to prove why that is.

>>51589805
You're a man of good taste.

>>51597875
>>51597592
>>51597432
you need an amp for the speakers, preferably one with clip connections so you dont have to fuck with the wires/adapter. lepai 2020 is cheap and has those. then you will need either a male to male 3.5mm connector to connect line out from your mobo to the amp. alternatively you can use a 3.5mm to rca adapter, the lepai accepts both. should cost you like $30 all told. those speakers are probably not very good though.

>>51599823
>dadrockers unite xD

>>51599786
>he doesn't have an amp

>>51599829
>preferably one with clip connections so you dont have to fuck with the wires/adapter.
You know you can screw down wire with binding posts right? You don't need shitty spring connectors, it's 2015.

>>51599798
300ohm? My regular pc cant run anything above 100ohm and phones cant sure as shit run 300ohm...

>>51599833
Did you pause Skrillex to post that?

>>51597407
honestly those are crap. wireless and noise cancelling in almost every case is detrimental to sound. if you want good wireless you're going to want rf wireless from sennheiser (these might still be on sale at amazon), or bluetooth that can use aptx. either way you'll be paying over $100.

>>51599855
Impedance doesn't play that big of a role, sensitivity usually matters more. My onboard audio can run my 600ohm DT880s.

>>51599855
>le high impedance means hard to drive meme
Will you uninformed fucking retards stop perpetuating this misinformation?

http://benchmarkmedia.com/blogs/application_notes/14017381-headphone-impedance-and-sensitivity

>>51597739
not a lot of measurements or impressions since they're not that popular but they are pretty much the only open ath with bass. they sound like the hd650 some say.

>>51599857
Nah I paused Oneohtrix Point Never you tasteless dadrocker. Go find some music outside your dad's vinyl collection.

>>51599885
I'm so very sorry I like things you don't like, anon.

>>51599855
High impedance isn't all that matters, what's the most important thing is the sensitivity expressed in dB/V. However, HD600 certainly requires an amp and everyone saying the opposite should question his/her own mental sanity.

>>51599973
>However, HD600 certainly requires an amp
>>51599798
Why can't you perform such a simple calculation, Sennshill?

>>51599874
>>51599870
Byt still everybody claims a huge difference with hd 600 when you run an amp. Cut the crap they are made to be listened through an amp. 598 sound good straight away and work with phones (and are comfier)

>>51598473
see >>51599863

>>51599993
this is a meme perpetuated by the kind of audiophiles who like to deliberately color their sound with expensive amps. if that's what you intend to do with the hd600 there is no point buying it. it has nothing to do with more power "unlocking the true potential" of the hd600.

>>51599993
>Byt still everybody claims a huge difference with hd 600 when you run an amp.
Expectation bias.
Come on man you can listen to music from a HD800 connected to a fucking Sony mp3 player and it will sound fine.

>>51599993
There's a big difference between "sound better" and "won't produce an audible sound", I thought you meant the latter.
I just plugged the DT880 into the motherboard out, they sound fine. A bit more distortion maybe, but totally usable.

>>51599993
>everybody claims
Yet nobody proves.

By the way even though science says humans can only hear up to just over 20KHz, I can actually hear up to 192KHz so I only listen to 32 bit/384KHz FLAC.

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>>51600054 (you)

>>51600038
A dedicated amp doesn't have to be a 1000$ tube monster, it could be an O2 and it would be noticeably better than onboard audio.

>>51599993
>everybody claims
[who?]

I'm going to say that on average they don't. They aren't super sensitive but sensitive enough to play very loud from modern on board codecs in almost all cases. I haven't had any issues driving HD 650s from my laptop or computer directly nor have a few friends who own HD 600s. Damping won't be an issue with 300 Ohm nominal impedance either. I have an O2 with 1x gain for them just for the peace of mind.

>>51600102
Depende entirely on the onboard, actually. Nothing wrong with ALC1150.

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>>51600167
ALC1150 is top tier.

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>>51600054
>I can actually hear up to 192KHz so I only listen to 32 bit/384KHz FLAC.
You're joking right?
If you're an alien, I believe you if not then you're just listening to placebo.

So is there a difference between gain/volume and loudness?

For instance, I always see reviews talking about what settings they have their amps set to for a specific pair of headphones, and images here always talk about how "is it loud enough for you to listen to", with regards to the audio quality.

Today I was messing around and cranked up the volume a little louder than I normally listen to music, and the change in quality was absurd, almost night and day. Is that just the way it is? will I have to suffer slight hearing loss for the utmost of quality? Am I just an idiot? I think its a little of both, but Im just curious if I'm missing something major with regards to "how to listen".

My cans are closed too, so that might have something to do with my inability to judge volume.

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>>51600193
Look at all that HD650 SCALING.

>>51600204
You should consider reading the context of the post then figuring out yourself whether it's sarcasm or not, retard.

>>51600207
>For instance, I always see reviews
>reviews
You should have stopped there.

>Budget
<200 NZD

>Location
NZ, willing to buy through Amazon.com as long as the price is good, and of course it has to ship here

>Source
Phone and PC

>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized

>Open or closed
Willing to consider both

>Comfort level
Comfy enough

>Preferred tonal balance
Accurate and detailed sound. However something that makes vocals and highs sound amazing would be nice, but like I said I like separation/detail that immerses me into the music. I don't like narrow sound that makes my ears fatigue.

>Preferred music
I listen to pop, synthpop, hip hop, alt, indie, sometimes EDM/house

>Past headphones
ATHPro5Mk2 and Sennheiser CX-300 II iems

>>51600227
Well I mean, should I just crank up the volume on my speakers, and then adjust the volume in software to compensate? Will that allow me to retain the quality without blowing out my ears? Could it just be my cans aren't getting enough juice from my set up?

>>51600193
So, mad gains if we amp the HD650?

>>51600207
At very low volume you can get balancing issues (one side louder than the other) and the sound is different, both because you listen differently at different volumes and because the sound signature of the driver varies. Just find a volume you're comfortable with, but yes, what you described happens.

>>51600263
Ideally you want volume to be managed closest to the end of the chain, so keep all your software, etc at max level and adjust the volume at the knob on the amp. Software volume tends to fuck with Dynamic Range IIRC.

>>51600272
Low-end in Marvspeak is already amping it with something like a Magni 2. High-end would be Eddie Current.

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>>51600211
Puts the rest of those to shame.

>>51600272
As proven by the image.

>>51600302
>charts of subjective impressions
>meaningful
ayy

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>>51591564
>mfw was about to buy those but was too broke
feels fucking great man

>>51600298
Gotcha, this is 100% what is happening, ill keep tinkering. Thanks.

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sarcasm is dangerous in this thread

>>51600207
Gain is not quite volume and both are different from loudness.
Gain refers to amplification and attenuation in the system. Amplifiers can provide a fixed voltage multiplication, that can be more, less, or equal to the input signal.
Volume could be said to be part of gain (digital gain), but it is usually used to refer to attenuator controls, potentiometers in analog electronics and level sliders in digital domain.
Loudness is a subjective experience of sound pressure level and intensity of sound.

>>51600193
>quantifying and graphing literal placebo
amazing.

>>51600299
>Software volume tends to fuck with Dynamic Range IIRC.
Yes/no, depending on the bit depth of the volume control used. Basically, a 24 bit or higher control will not have any issue or limitation whatsoever, even with 16 bit data. I would think most are 24 bits in this day and age, but you never know how many real world implementations are actually really terrible

Even then, you can still afford to lose a few bits in practice with a 16 bit control.

>>51600227
>You should consider reading the context of the post then figuring out yourself whether it's sarcasm or not, retard.
lel senpai, somebody cat maybe posting on this anonymous mongolian imageboard.
>>51600357
Some anons are not sarcastic enough here. I want aliens to come back, fuck this planet.

What's the best way to clean sweat and oils from my velour pads?

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any small earbuds you guys could recommend?

relatively cheap, high bass, mainly for cycling trips.

and btw, is there earbuds on the market that would require a pocket amp or it is fine just to connect them to ipod etc without amp to get the best of them all?

>>51600699
https://youtu.be/3E9XvTtDxq0?t=1m15s

>>51600428
>any opinion on anything is now literal placebo
You introduce any meme to /g/ and they extrapolate it to a point where you need to actually filter the fucking thing.

>>51600790
>any opinion
>mattering
So what about all the shit about everyone's hearing being different and preferences for gear etc etc etc

All this Head-Fi memery sure conflicts with itself, doesn't it.

>>51600741
KZ ED9 from ali express or the piston 3's from ebay etc, they are both the best cheap iem's available, I prefer the KZ's and they have two nozzle tips which you can change (one is slightly cleaner, the other is bassier)

Either way you cant lose m8.

>>51600790
a guy literally took his opinions (which by the way were split into meaningless and arbitrary categories, so they're not even good opinions), assigned a 10-point scale to them like that improved it, and then put them on a graph which adds absolutely nothing other than being able to mislead plebs into thinking it's credible. then again /hpg/ is full of people who will believe anything as long as it's on a graph, with no further considerations. opinions can have value if they come from a reliable source, but those people are very rare.

Looking to replace my current AKG K550s as they are on their way out (Similar price range - £100/£200) and noticed the DT770s (32ohm) at £96, just wondering how these sound in comparison, can they provide an equally as clear and 'wide' sound as the K550s.

Any other suggestions? Ideally closed.

Usage will be music in general and ASMR
>inb4 fag

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Are my headphones up to par with my soundcard?

>>51600936
>opinions can have value if they come from a reliable source, but those people are very rare.
What constitutes a 'reliable source'?

Also how would you answer >>51600826
>So what about all the shit about everyone's hearing being different and preferences for gear etc etc etc

>>51600863
>>51600741
I would include hje-120k, not as good as the piston but less than half the price and still has a pleasing bassy sound. comfort is also the best of any IEM I have used, including the piston.

>>51600774
Thanks man. I really appreciate it.

Would X2 benefit from a cheap tube amp?

>>51601147
nothing would benefit from any tube amp unless it needed an amp and it would get better results from a non tube amp
your case is none of these

>>51601147
Yes, two negatives make a positive.

>>51600982
well like anyone who evaluates something subjective they have to be extremely experienced, have a degree of documented credentials, knowledge of scientific elements and measurements if applicable, a level-headed attitude where they try to avoid bias and brand loyalty, and they must wear what biases they recognize on their sleeve. if you know a "reviewer" that well you can gain some good insights but even then you should never take that as your sole source of information. everyone has their own hearing, but if you truly know about your own preferences and know about know about the person you are getting info from, that can be of value. neither measurements of opinions should be taken as completely true, and you should always get info from multiple sources.

>>51601182
sennheiser has everyone paid off, multiple sources wont help

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so from my headphone experience.
HD201,Tascam TH-02, M50s, SHP9500, AKG K701, AKG K7XX, Sony MDR-7506 and finally HD600s

Sennheiser has the best sound in my opinion.

AKG was detailed but lacked any direction in the sound, SHP9500s where goat for their price how ever.

M50s where basically only good for electronic music, MDR sounded like tin, tascam where really nice for isolation but sucked dick everywhere else.

>>51600826
>So what about all the shit about everyone's hearing being different
The quality of the ear may be different but perception itself shares much more similarities. Differences in the ear follow a predictable pattern, many of these can be qualified through direct anthropometry. The differences don't hold as true as you might think, the brain has a lot internal correction for physical aspects of the ear, one of the key differences is in training.

Preferences for gear as in electronics? There are many tangible features, aesthetics and sound quality differences.
But most of the time, they aren't talking about anything at all. Uncontrolled subjective electronics sound quality reviews aren't useful if they don't tell you about hiss or EMI issues.

>>51600826
>>51600936
I don't know the context, was that a double-blind test for a group of listeners or one guy's single test?

>>51601257
What the fuck does direction in the sound mean?

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>>51599863
Thank you kind sir <3

I am going to give them a try because as long as they aren't SUPER low bit rate, I'm okay.

>>51597508
>tube
Not needed. They have their place in audio production (distortion generation), they have a certain aesthetic, but they have many issues relating to real usage that make them more frustrating than good solid state amplifiers.
They may not even sound different, at least until you tap them. So why go tube?