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How can we make 2016 the year of the Linux desktop?

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How can we make 2016 the year of the Linux desktop?
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>>51567140
We don't. Less normies = better forum quality. Learn from Ubuntu/Mint
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>>51567140
Hold nvidia at gunpoint until they release a wayland driver.
Kill everyone ever associated with redhat in any way.
Shill the fuck out of the steambox until devs actually start developing for it.
Once that's done, ddos steam servers perpetually until steam is kill.
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>2015 YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP
>m-maybe next year
Freetards, will they ever learn?
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>>51567277
but muh freedoms
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>>51567277
>>>/v/, pajeet
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>>51567238
>Hold nvidia at gunpoint until they release a wayland driver.
Agreed
>Kill everyone ever associated with redhat in any way.
Why? I understand the systemd hate but redhat is the lesser of 2 evils in this situation
>Shill the fuck out of the steambox until devs actually start developing for it.
Bad idea
>Once that's done, ddos steam servers perpetually until steam is kill.
Also bad idea
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>>51567140
Proper HiDPI support, esp. in GNOME where the scaling factor is forced to be an integer and not a floating point number (what the fuck?).
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>>51567277
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>>51567140
>great again
>again
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There will be no such thing, becasue the desktop is being killed.
This isn't the 90's anymore, soon everything will be cloud based computing, say goobye to software as a product.
Enjoy the corporate controlled digital life, brought to you by Linux.
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Who is the majority of desktop users? Gamers. The year Steam OS presents a better alternative than Windows will be the year of the Linux desktop. It's a catch 22: people won't use Linux until developers start supporting it, but developers won't support it until more people use it
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>>51567407
GNOME scaling is weird in my experience. In Fedora, it scales perfectly to my display (in which everything must be scaled 2.4x). In Ubuntu, it does worse HIDPI scaling than what you described, as it is not to an integer factor, but a hard-coded 2x scaling mode for all things HIDPI. I wish there was something that explains the former point.
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>>51567480
>Who is the majority of desktop users? Gamers
Completely false
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>>51567480
>who is the majority of desktop users

The workforce.
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weird
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>>51567442
>There will be no such thing, becasue the desktop is being killed.

Not really. While the market share of desktops is down there are still more desktop users now than ever before
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>>51567550
>>51567554
I should of prefaced that with recreational users. Linux will never enter the workforce, the corporate world is too slow to change technology wise. But at home Linux still stands a chance
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we move on and use Plan 9/9front
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>>51567624

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
It's in businesses and the government that Linux actually has a decent market share.
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In a couple years the only people left using desktops will be Linux users. Everyone else will be using "the cloud"
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>>51567140
Making an actual competitor to OS X instead of skinned pieces of shit. Make FreeBSD or OpenBSD run Mac OS X binaries. A reactos of OSX.
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>>51567699
Still, Windows undoubtedly holds a majority share in those markets, which is not likely to change any time soon
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>>51567140
>How can we make 2016 the year of the Linux desktop?
Make it possible to play games.
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>>51567140
While the other OSs are pretty shit, they still aren't shitty enough to drive me to Linux as my desktop.
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>>51567715
The revival of mainframes with phones as terminals? I don't know how to feel about thus
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>>51567774
You mean make it possible to use Office 365 and Adobe CC right?
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>>51567140
>2015
>still no /g/entoomen Linux distro
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Once android copies continuum from windows phones :^)
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>>51567765

...As it is expected. But stating that Linux will never enter the workforce is where we disagree. The fact that Linux still has a long way to go I can agree on.

Linux has always been much stronger in the commerical and academic fields, and very weak on private, conventional, home computers. If anything I would say that the corporate world is where Linux still stands a chance, and that the private market is what looks bleak.
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>>51567140
Develop a desktop environment that’s equivalent to or better than Windows and OS X.
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>>51567951
>Windows
>OS X
>Good desktop environment

Please remind which operating system was first out with window-snapping, mousehover-focus and virtual desktops.
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>>51568010
I'd love to know what Linux DE you think is good.
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when you install ubuntu, does it also install a GUI or do i have to do that shit myself?
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call it a workstation instead of a desktop

media creation software that isn't vastly inferior

video drivers on par with proprietary offerings

UI toolkit overhaul

it isnt gonna happen
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I don't know, /g/. I feel lost. Especially that I'm still quite new to Linux even after all these years. I just want Openbox or i3 distro that's simple/easy to rice.
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>>51567277
There will never be the year of the linux desktop.(I hope),
But there will be the endless never ending years of the linux mobile phones, tablets, fridges, washing macines etc. Freetard for life closetcrab.
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>>51568324
>uses linux for years
>thinks openbox and i3 are distros
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>>51567140
If I want to build a Linux box, should I go AMD or Nvidia?
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maybe it would finally be the year of the linux desktop if the linux community would be more accepting of women, LGBTQ, and PoC.
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>>51568363

I never said that they're distros you illiterate fuck.
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>>51568376
Forgot to mention, I'll probably be exclusively using Arch
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>>51568232
>UI toolkit overhaul

All they have to do is make gtk4 backwards compatible with 2 and 3 and maintain sane, professionally designed human interface guidelines.


But no

the guhnome faggots are too unprofessional and pretentious, the KDE faggots don't get shit done, and everyone else is a coattail rider
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>>51568376
Hard to say at the moment. It's looking likely that AMD will perform better if vulkan is adopted. If you care about FOSS then its a definite "AMD" also.
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>>51568376
Google it mate there is a wealth of tried and true articles to read. Dont ask here because everyone automatically hates what you will go with.
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>>51568381
Present the b8 a bit better mate.
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>>51568324
Crunchbang++
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>>51568198

None of them perfect, most of them better than the Windows solution. The fact that you are stuck with whatever Microsoft/Apple gives you (e.g, Metro) makes this a serious issue.

I'm a KDE5-user myself. I do recognize that KDE5 is unstable as of today, but even KDE4 is more rich in features and more stable than the current Windows-solution.

It's not that Windows 10 is particularly bad. It's just not any good, and they are way too late to the party. And if Microsoft ever pulls another Windows 8 you will have to lube up your anus.
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>>51568564

Is that Openbox or i3? I haven't downloaded Crunch in a long time.
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>>51568636
Openbox
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>>51567140
But can you .EXE, man?
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>>51567330
Redhat is the linux front for the NSA, learn some fucking history oh my god
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>>51567140
bomb M$ nd applel hqs and force normies to install gentoo.
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>>51567330
> I understand the systemd hate but redhat is the lesser of 2 evils in this situation

>systemD
>redhat
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>>51568811
it's a meme
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>>51568821
How so?
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>>51567140
every year is the year of the Linux desktop
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>>51568857
Every year until you install it, then you realize that it sucks and go back to windows/osx.
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Make it just work with everything people use.
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Remove the religious zealots and all traces of their autism.
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>>51567554
>>51567605
Not really. Those are moving to the cloud too, SaaS style. The corporate desktop will be a thin client. (At least until the cloud bubble pops.)
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>>51567140
Nvidia and AMD open source their drivers so we can have good drivers.
Developers create their games in openGL by default and don't use DirectX that should die.

Bonus :
wayland is finally supported
Vulkan replace openGL

2015 couldn't be the year of the linux desktop obviously, but for me, it's the first time I feel things are moving into the right direction. I don't think 2016 will be the year of the linux desktop, but I think more users will start using it. Starting 2017 you can hope for a decent market share.
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I got a stupid question, but really stupid.
There's no advertisement for linux, and that's a really bad thing for it. Obviously it's famous for the professional, but whenever I start talking about it with normies that ask me what I do in my life etc. They don't know it and they are surprise about the various facts that I give them and ask me why people don't use it.
With a good advertisement, can it have more marketshare ? if they makes deals with manufacturers to sell laptops and desktop with linux pre-installed. is it possible that it becomes mainstream ? At least for normies that only need an office suite, music player and a web browser.
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>>51568636
learn how to setup a de/wm you stupid weeb fuck
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>>51568878
Been using it since 1996 and still dont have the closed source american slave shit on any of the computers ive ever owned. Go back to playing games. Bed time is in an hour.
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>>51569415
ChromeOS
Not that that's the ideal distro you'd want people using...but that's what gets advertised
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>>51569415
You can't advertise Linux and expect people to use it unless it comes as an option, pre-installed on prebuilt computers. Most normies have a hard time installing Windows from a disk, much less making a live usb drive and installing from there.
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>>51569647
Yeah this, Microfuck have got this down to an art form in Australia.
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Get rid of systemd.
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>>51569706
i hear ya senpai but the most powerful people in the linux world also created it so its not going away.
just stick to your systemd free os.
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>>51568878
I used to do that. But then Linux Mint.

Now only my desktop is Windows. Laptops, servers and everything else are Linux.
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>>51569726
hey i dint say senpai i said senpai...
what the literal fuck?
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>>51568963
>At least until the cloud bubble pops.
Surprised the Fappening didn't turn more people off of it.
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>>51569706
There is nothing wrong with systemd, you autistic faggot.
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>>51569741
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS STUPID SHIT I DIDNT SAY SENPAI I SAID F.A.M.
Fucking jap shit.
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>>51569741
spotted the newfriend
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>>51569758
>>51569741
You are hilarious
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>>51567140
contribute to GNOME, KDE, or your favorite desktop environment
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I'm watching No Country for Old Men
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>>51567140
Simple: make a compatibility layer that runs Windows and OSX applications natively.
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It was meant to stop people from using homosexual language.
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>>51569741
No not new just never said (you know) before.
I wondered why senpai comes up so much here now i know.
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>>51569803
hey i dint say homosexual i said homosexual...
what the literal fuck?
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>>51567200
/thread
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>>51569741
>>51569758
lel go fuck urself faglord
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>>51569847
you seem to be faglord here desu
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>>51569589
I don't know if you can consider chrome OS as a linux distribution.
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>>51569870
why not?
it uses linux as the kernel and uses gentoo as the dev platform
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>>51569878
it's not free and locked. You can't install it on any computer. and it's not "easy" to install the linux distribution of your choice on the computers they sells.
For me it's like saying OS X is unix. In theory, yeah maybe, but in the end all it's garbage
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>>51569847
Lel whos the faglord? I mean senpai
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>>51568324

lo/g/os
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>>51569821
Spotted the newfriend
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>>51567140
Market
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1) Make it usable. Almost done. Long gone are days of not being able to netinstall debian over wi-fi with WPA2-PSK.
2) Continue with campaign against microsoft keylogging.
3) Unite into using a single cohesive distribution that is normie-friendly.

Normies will have 2 ways essentially: Mac or Linux.
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>>51570253
so osx gets middle class white people, while linux gets niggers?
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>>51570278
Look at the demographics again. Niggers can't use gnu/linux or even windows.
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>>51569790
If it is so simple then why haven't you done it yet?
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>>51567140
by installing Gentoo, m8.
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>>51567200
>We don't. Less normies = better forum quality. Learn from Ubuntu/Mint

Indeed
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-Give it a new DE that's more of a modern thing and not a clone of anything else. Something that can make people switch to it from OSX.

-Pester Adobe to death until they release their products on Linux natively

-A special focus on bringing AAA titles to SteamOS, and by that I mean 20 times more titles than now
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>>51569763
senpai
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>>51569763
Is this why "desu" has been appearing often?
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>>51571256

OSX has a shit DE though
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@51571256
desu, all these ideas are horrible, senpai.
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@51571431
desu, yes.
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Fix all of this, quit with the autistic shit-talking about Windows and its users when trying to convince them, stop blaming MS when people try GNU/Linux and it works like shit or poorly and you may stand a chance to hit 2% desktop usage in the next decade.
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>>51571516
you must be gnew here
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>>51567200
>>51569830
>>51571214
lol hipsters
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>>51567200
Yeah nobody calls me a hacker anymore for being able to use Loonix
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>>51567140
What is KDE?
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>>51570720
The idea is simple.

I'm not a programmer, I'm a truck driver.
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>>51567140
1. Run the software people want.
2. Give users a better experience than the competition
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>>51569790

it's called wine

it's also incredibly not simple
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Lunix is for hyper nerds who compensate for there complete lack of any social life by developing a elitist rederic about Linux. They are dirty computer hipsters. Point is Mac and Windows software are WAY BETTER for home computers. They are easy to use or learn how to use. But remember these are elitist we are dealing with. They will tell you your wrong to witch I would just say "ok go download lunix enjoy spending 800 hours learning it and never playing any video games"

Lunix is only good for servers. I hate lunix on my home computer an I won't alow it. I'm not falling for your stupid nerd fad.
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>>51572145
Wow, rude.
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>>51567140
Make a working gooey for all the popular packages.
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>>51572145
wait linux isnt easy to use? what
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You can't, leenucks is useless piece of shit
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>>51572145
/thread
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>>51567480
>Who is the majority of desktop users? Gamers.
lmao
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>>51572119
So start programming
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>>51568220
The ubuntu installer is do great that u can browse the web and listen to music while it installs

After being used to installing windows and leave the computers to it as a technician my mind was blown by this in 2012

I only used barebones terminal linux for server stuff and never thought it ti be great

Since ubuntu, i have also tried debian, opensuse and also steamOS

Currently I only use windows for gaming, because for everything else it feels slower and clunkier, and the fan makes more noise

SteamOS is actually nice too, my ps3/ps4 controllers worked ootb while in windows i had to use ds3 tool or motioninjoys malware
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>>51572145
I know this is bait cause my 73 year old father found ubuntu easier and comfier than his windows install. Im glad I installed it cause he asks less questions unless he wants to do something online like sending an email
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>>51567330
Redhat produces nothing but absolute cancer and then forces it on the entire linux ecosystem. No redhat, no funds for poottering AND no cancer to push. Redhat is basically the opposite of ubuntu: ubuntu tries to make their own software for exclusive use (and fail spectacularly), redhat make software designed so they can take over linux (and succeed completely).
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>>51571827
but they'll still accuse you of being a hacker for knowing what the terminal/command line interface is. people who think terminal = hacking make me go full mad instantly.
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we need 1 desktop envornment to rule them all. easy to customize. many many options and looking perfect in every aspect
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>>51572952
Trinity
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>>51572961
can it become tiling window manager?
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just as Torvalds started one kernel, someone have to start a window manager, which could be anything we currently may want. cause CLI computing times are over. give people one unified and easily customizable (by easy i mean 'no fucking tinkering', just one simple configuration tool with million of options) window manager which could transform to anything and still look perfect, youll make M$ die.
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>>51573099
>cause CLI computing times are over
you'll always have a need for the terminal interface.
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>>51572988
Yes, with plugins. But why would you want to add a counter-productive feature to a fantastic, production-oriented environment?
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>>51573113
but not my mom
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>>51573099
>CLI computing times are over.
Tell that to anyone who works in anything high-performance or on any server whatsoever.
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We need a unified DE that isn't customizable. Imagine how nice it would be to get rid of the ricing faggots
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>>51573135
can you bind any key for any function? can you easily change theme? i mean without downloading it from somewhere, but you picking colors and how rounded corners should be?
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>>51573177
>can you bind any key for any function?
Yes.
>can you easily change theme?
Yes.
>picking colors and how rounded corners should be?
Yes.
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>>51573199
how much effort do you have put to do this?
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>>51567140
But /g/ told me it's already perfect.
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>>51572145
This. They enjoy wasting their time to boost their superiority complex.
>inb4 that's le only arch
lol nope
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linus is the man
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Wait for Microsoft to shoot themselves in the foot with their telemetry in full view of the normies.
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>>51573256
linus is a fucking kek, desu senpai
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By using stable distros and recommending them, like Debian, Ubuntu LTS and such, instead of recommending permabeta distros not used in the real world like Arch.
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@51573321
would you consider manjaro a stable distro senpai?
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Linux is a kernel, not a full OS. Your post doesn't make any sense OP.
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>>51573336
>has a stable repo after a testing process
Sure, why not. Haven't used it though.
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>>51573213
>keybinds
Trinity Control Center -> Keyboard Shortcuts -> change options (includes global, per-application, wm shortcuts, application launching shortcuts and modifier settings options).
>change theme
Decorations:
Trinity Control Center -> Window Decorations (options depend on the engine used)
Rest of theme (too many to list):
Trinity Control Center -> Theme Manager -> buttons on the bottom.
>picking colors and how rounded corners should be
Trinity Control Center -> Theme Manager -> Colors
Trinity Control Center -> Window Decorations with the right decoration theme.
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>>51573336
>>>/reddit/
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>>51567200
>better forum quality
>in every Linux handbook ever there's a sections that says stay out of forum discussion because they evolve around inane comments and general poor quality of posts irrelevant to Linux
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To be honest the more I use Linux the less I care about Linux as a desktop platform.

I was extremely enthusiastic about the idea in the early 2000s when I was just beginning to play with it, but now that I use it every day, primarily via the terminal, on top of administering several HPC server I don't have that much enthusiasm for it.
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>>51573346
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>>51567140
Nothing, microsoft and apple will do it for us.
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>>51567140
>consolidate development efforts instead of fragmenting ad infinitum with 9001 distros and whatnot
>unify things like cli syntax (every executable takes its parameters in different forms and with different abilities like truncating words or combining flags into one arg: tar -cvzf /bla and tar -xvzf /bla vs unzip /bla and gunzip /bla, btrfs subvol snap -f /bla vs apt-get and apt-cache etc)
>stop all the retarded shit like tabs being 8 spaces by default instead of the usual 4
>permissions and such are a serious pain in the ass when multiple programs under different users need to access shit but it still needs to be protected
>stop being so fucking phobic of GUIs, develop some decent toolkits that let you easily whip together a GUI that corresponds to particular conf files and such, and don't say it's hard to make those cause it fucking isn't
>motherfucking conf files need to be standardized in structure, syntax, etc and given the proper extension like json/xml/ini/whatever instead of ".conf"
>stop expecting users to know and be capable of stupid shit like configuring the innards of a video driver when it would literally take less time, effort or trouble to have that shit autoconfigure itself
Basically everything that has to do with the user-facing bits
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>>51573666
Oh, and most important of all: stop fucking designing the entire thing around the premise of users wanting the thing to be a timesink you have to spend hours of time on (reading, configuring, figuring out pseudo-file device shit, magically knowing low-level insider shit, etc) to do basic shit that works out of the box on other OSes
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>>51567140
Just ditch every piece of desktop software, userland is fucking awful. Even Android does a better job.
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>>51573666
Satan trips confirm unifying loonix
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>>51572145
>by developing a elitist rederic about Linux
>Linux
Sounds like you had a freudian slip up there :^)
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>>51569415
>There's no advertisement for linux, and that's a really bad thing for it
THIS, i made even few threads about is but i couldn't get no resposnes.
More people running linux, more drivers, opensource code and better all that fuckick graphick shit and api that is going on.
Another thing is pushing linux in the develeoped country os and desktop, no only some one laptop per child or other thinks, but to make linux well know. But i guess my last thread with reples with "designed" and "poo in the loo" told me to gtfo and just make on my own so things
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Start developing lo/g/os again!
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>>51574060
You must be 18 or older to post on this site.
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>>51567140
>How can we make 2016 the year of the Linux desktop?
Making gaming not suck dick on Linux would be a great start.
I've practically given up on gaming because Windows a botnet and Linux a shit.

If Linux could at least reach 95% performance compared to Windows I would happily build a gaming PC again and run Linux on it.
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>>51574163
>no gpu spec
>no OS spec
>no driver info
>no cpu spec
>no temperature readouts
>no memory info
Into the trash it goes!
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>>51574163
GNU can typically get between 110% and 200% of the windows performance. How much do you get paid for your shilling, though?
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>>51571516
>flash
into the trash it goes.
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>>51571516
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Turn wine into fucking magic that runs just about any Windows program
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tell the nsa to stick systemd up their asses
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>>51574539

nope

you should just ditch those pleb applications
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Kill every WIndow user I guess,Good luck though
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>>51569415
Dell sold laptops with Linux pre-installed but stopped marketing them because normies complained about them being too hard to use
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>>51575766
No, they were complaining that they couldn't install microsoft word.
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>>51573232
My Arch installation and setup took two days to complete and I enjoyed every second of it. No problems since then.
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>>51575795
What? Seriously? That's retarded these people couldn't take the 5 seconds to look around and find LibreOffice?
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X needs to die.
We need to go full Wayland

Windows desktop experience feels so much better than any current Linux setup
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>>51574539

Windows {10,11,12,...} will never be finished until Wine doesn't work!
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