What's with the obsession with large amounts of RAM?
I've never had a desktop or laptop with more than 8GB of RAM and I've never felt like I've needed more. Is having more than 8GB of RAM necessary?
I understand video/photo editors benefit from more RAM but for the average person, is it worth it?
First it was processor speed, then hard drive space and now RAM.
Whats next? I can't see normies getting excited over SSD benchmark tests, maybe number of CPU cores will start to trend in a couple of years.
>That one person who thinks storage space is RAM
There's always one, isn't there?
Also, some games gobble memory like no tomorrow. ARK is one of them, I played it with all graphics settings turned down at 720p and it was using pretty much all 6.9 gigs that were left over after my IGP took its chunk.
If you do anything remotely real with your computer beside facebook all day, you'll run close or even over 8GB, not even taking into account specialized applications like running VMs, rendering, or games.
It depends what you're doing on your computer.
For example lots of VMs running requires more RAM, or like I do physical simulations that take a ton of RAM, they're slow as fuck if they dip into swap. Compiling shit can take tons of RAM too... All sorts of shit really.
If all you do is play games though then it probably doesn't matter.
>mfw I'm sitting here with a measly 890 megabytes of ram
If you get close to the maximum RAM, your OS will start using virtual memory and will fucking slow down to a crawl. It happens to me almost every day with 4GB and sometimes with 6GB. If you do some semblance of multitasking on a computer, you'll inevitably use a lot of RAM. I never had any more trouble of this kind after I upgrade to 16GB. So yes, the amount of RAM is important if you multitask on a computer and use demanding software like VMs.
I regularly use 8+GB at work and at home I've gotten out of memory crashes in certain games at 4K with just 8GB and have seen serious swapping going on and killing performance, in GTA V for instance. Upgrading to 16GB solved those issues.
That's a pretty normal thing to say for people who have no clue about PCs.
RAM is stated in GB, storage space is stated in GB, must be the same thing. How can I save my Facebook images on my graphics card?
There was a time it was a massive chokepoint for a lot of PC's and somewhat tech illiterate users going into windows 7. Not only was it relatively cheap it was also super easy to install/replace. It breathed new life into PC's super easy.
When building a PC it's generally a pretty cheap component. If you only need 8gb but have the budget for 16-32gb it has great appeal from nothing other than it being rewarding.
super secret NASA supercomputer needs to have certain parameters blacked out
I use 4GB and the only thing it hasn't been sufficient for is large minecraft mod packs.
Firefox also uses up to 2GB sometimes, but that's because Firefox is a shitty browser that is increasingly becoming useless (especially because it's abandoning XUL extensions).
TL;DR other than modded Minecraft and multi-tasking with a resource-hungry Firefox, 4GB is sufficient for anything I've needed to do.
It's simple really. Do you run out of RAM? If yes -you- need more.
I will never understand the debates people have about it on /g/. I guess there's a sense of pride and elitism about making do with less. Or perhaps normies get scammed into buying 32GB for a Facebook machine.
There's a new breed of computer user.
These people don't know what life was like when we had very limited supply of system ram. I would reckon that most of us here are disciplined out of habits from the old days to close out of programs when you go to play a video game that demands more than 2GB of ram. Also, the very idea of playing two games at once that use up a lot of ram must sound absolutely disgusting to you.
This new breed of computer user goes willy-nilly with his ram usage. He can actually fill up 16+GB of ram because he doesn't have ram sparing discipline. An internet browser with 30 tabs, Skype, two really demanding PC games that he alt+tabs back and forth with, as well as a slew other system bundled software running in the background that he can't be bothered to uninstall. These people exist and really only now am I starting to train myself to be more like that since ram really is so plentiful these days. It isn't very expensive to get a 32GB ram setup these days. Just go nuts. You don't need to spare your ram anymore like in the old days.
I went from a 3GB RAM, Core 2 Duo @1.6GHz and integrated graphics card laptop to a 16GB RAM, Core i7 @2.8GHz, discrete graphics card and SSD laptop. I don't think I'll ever feel this kind of jump ever again in my life.
I still need to kill the browser once in a while.
Although FF might take like 1,5GB and I have plenty still available, the damn thing gets too slow.
Then again, I installed this box in 2011 - maybe it's a time to clean install.
I always wanted to build a desktop with 32GB of RAM and write a script that loads my entire root partition onto a RAM disk and then boots from it. I'd have a daemon that saves the changes in directories like /etc/ and /usr/ every n minutes and after every package manager update.
Has anyone else done anything like this?
It'd probably just be easier to RAID0 some fast SSDs.
>only now am I starting to train myself to be more like
Don't. I know the type of person you just described and they constantly complain to me how their games/computer perform slow or crashes all the time. Probably because one of their 90 background processes is causing shitty problems. But they just won't listen to me about setting things up properly and instead go off to buy a new $2k computer every 2 years because their old one "is slow".
I know on linux systems you can mount sections of ram as a sort of super fast read/write tertiary memory, I've heard it said this can be useful but, I've never tried it or seen it done.
Apparently manipulating and rendering large photos and film works better with large amounts of ram
>"640K ought to be enough for anybody" Somebody famous said that I think.
I don't know much about it, but if ever VR off the ground, to achieve any kind of reasonable resolution or responsiveness computers are going to need more ram and the programs that run on them are going to have to be far better at working with multiple cores,
>who would EVER need more than 32mb RAM
this is you, OP
i installed tf2 and cs:go on my ramdisk so it loads fast enough that i'm always the first on a server. that way i get to chose the team first. i always play blu or ct and i laugh at fags that get forced to play on the worse side.
Oh god, I feel you man.
Right now, I have to close down everything in order to watch my movies and anime without my player lagging.
I've disabled any useless WINDOWS background services, I've disabled startup programs, I've disabled all services in msconfig I don't use.
fuck it, /g/...
Because you HAVE TO have your browser and movie player while playing a game, right?
I know being a developer is hard, but god damn, now that the majority buys a new computer every year, they've said "fuck optimization, they can run my horrible code just fine"
top - 14:58:32 up 1 day, 15 min, 2 users, load average: 0.84, 1.89, 1.50
Tasks: 181 total, 1 running, 180 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
%Cpu(s): 9.5 us, 1.3 sy, 0.0 ni, 89.0 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.2 si, 0.0 st
KiB Mem: 1016624 total, 901868 used, 114756 free, 57228 buffers
KiB Swap: 3985404 total, 616648 used, 3368756 free. 188000 cached Mem
Sounds like my grandad, every few months I get word that he wants me to fix his laptop because of how slow it is. He just doesn't listen and makes the same mistakes again and again.
Ever wondered why Windows 7 onwards showed X.XX ram usable?
Now you know.
I'd like to know factually, how better modern OSs have gotten at managing RAM.
I assume windows optimizes paging based on how much RAM there is available, I can't seem to overflow my 4GBs on the SP3, but I'm almost always above that on my desktop which has 16GBs.
it definitely pulls some juice. I upgraded from a 6420 on a p5nesli with 2 gtx 260 core 216s. Went from a thermaltake 700w to an overkill 1500w corsair psu. I really can't be bothered to accurately measure my power draw, but the electric bill has certainly gone up. Pumping the AC this last summer had me over $300 a month. Since its cooled down the bill has dropped, but it's never under $100 like it used to be.
It depends. One of my computers runs Win 10 and keeps pushing the limits of its 8GB, the other has only 4GB and works fine (also Win 10). If you get your computer all set up and you keep running out or close to it, get more RAM.
did someone say Ram
I love ram I cant get enough of it
all my harddrives go to ram, I make my ssd into ultra fast raid 0 arrys and use them as RAM
Oh god why? I'm sad that I believe someone has done that before.
last time i upgraded was 2006 ish. Next step is some good monitors. I'm thinking 1440p. Maybe a couple of 27's then my tv mounted to the wall above them. I don't have cable or a console. This PC is my home entertainment. I don't make crazy money. Here is a pic of my ghetto setup. I'm not a fan of the wood paneling, but it was a house I could afford in a great location.
Boy I sure love my gamebroy games shitting themselves because of swapping. And those endless compile times are worth it being right in not needing more than 8gb of R A M. Yes op you are right, it is absolutely fucking useless!
Going from 8gb to 16gb is only 50$ if you buy it on sale.
Just guarantees you won't have problems about lacking RAM in the future, because even if 8gb is almost always enough, sometimes you can get to 9gb of usage or even more depending on how many and what programs you use.
Up until 2 years ago I had ~250 MB of RAM. That's what I get for being a retard and buying a prebuilt in 2004. I scavenged some RAM from my dad's old computer to bump it up to 1 GB now but it still can't even load a webm without chugging hard and I only get like 3 fps on it. Now it's mainly just used as a backup since I got my new computer with 8 GB. But let me say, to go from 250 MB to 8 GB overnight was as close as I can figure it feels like to setting foot into Heaven.
higher resolution of video & images, better quality, textures etc
the availability of the hardware.. it didn't exist in the past. Why not use it if you have it.
render farms existed, clusters etc for movies.. for that reason.
Caching.Compiling code in tmpfs.
>people trying to sound smart when they really aren't
What's not to like?
Nigger when's the last time you used more than 4GB of ram? 8GB is really an insurance already, for those "just in case" moments. Cramming 16GB into a laptop is like saying you need a 300 Liter fueltank on a regular sedan. It's overkill.
How should I know.
People have the same obsession with i7's and i5's.
Meanwhile im sitting here with nearly 10 hours of battery life on a fanless ultrabook with a 6Y30 cpu that does the job
People like the idea of all that performance/power even its its not going to be utilized.
It's a busted internal sensor toh.
Intel is worse then AMD at internal motherboard sensors.
I use 8+ gb ram frequently playing virtual instruments (like high end musical instrument emulation).
For example. If your running a massive (20+gb) piano sample library, you need all the samples for attack sounds first (because they sound first, before any other samples) HDD's are too slow to fetch that kind of data without perceiving latency so they store the most urgent samples in RAM. A lot of this kind of software lets you decide how much ram to dedicate to sampling and I can easily decide to use 14gb of my 16gb ram. For this type of application more RAM is without a doubt better. I wouldn't be able to play piano and drums at the same time in real-time without 16gb ram.
The more RAM you have, the more data from the disk/SSD can be cached. This essentially means, that the computer becomes faster/quicker the longer it runs and is not rebooted.
Obviously you need a fitting OS for this to work properly.
Also why just one OS when you can run any OS virtualized? This needs a lot of RAM.
Computing is changing. Of course most plebs just buy because the number is bigger and they don't actually use what they have, but their instinct seems to drive them in the correct direction.
>Zbrush using over 19gb of RAM
>PSCC using over 9gb of RAM
>Maya and Cinema4D using basically all of your RAM from gigantic obj files
if you don't use programs like these you're totally fine with 8gb of RAM, but if you do it's actually not overkill to get 32-64gb of RAM
in fact I think 16gb should be bare minimum for shit like this
What's the difference of RAM and ROM /g/?
If you run multiple virtual machines, it's nice to have copious RAM.
Boot to linux - 4 GB
Startup WinXP VM - 2 or3 GB
Startup Win7 VM - 8 GB
Startup 2nd linux distro - 3 or 4 GB
startup freeBSD - 1 or 2 GB
Those are generous numbers, and one would rarely need all those up at once, but it's pretty easy to exceed 16 GB, let alone 8 GB. I regularly use 12 GB, usually at least once per day. A couple times per week I exceed 20 GB ... so, the 24 GB RAM I have on my VM system for testing & legacy software is a very comfy amount.
If I had a more powerful system &/or I was doing crazier shit than I already am, then I might even configure the system with 32 GB. Just In Case.
Before anyone asks, I have several software packages that run better on different OSs. So I've been known to open GIMP in a linux VM while running photoshop under WinXP (also tablet sketching capture) and CorelDraw and Painter under Win7. For one example that can easily exceed 16 GB.
I'm working on migrating to a different, less complicated configuration. But, frankly, I really enjoy the system the way I have it now. I feel like I have the greatest flexibility while using software I am very familiar with. Sometime by 2020 I'll have dropped some packages and learned new ones, so WinXP will finally be delete and (possibly) Win7 will become Win10.
They can get confused. They can get it mixed up with storage or graphics memory.
Most normies can't be trusted to know what's in their computer beyond i3/i5/i7. And as we all know, those are just marketing terms.
It's more "cores" with the people I'm around. Whenever I'm with a dad and his friends he always goes on about how many cores my pc has to them.
My boss does the same thing, I went to microcenter to help pick out new office stuff and he starts going on about my pc to the sales rep "tell him how many cores you have!" fucking cringey situations.
when i was younger i thought ram was pretty much the single more important factor when it comes to performance
i remember being excited to get my 486 up to 32M ram only to find nothing i couldn't run before could run now
Inefficient OS userlands need the OS to cache fuckloads
You know, so animations can be smoother and bloated programs like firechromefari can launch faster. Or run without swapping.
Good hardware = bad programmers
quite often audio samples for editing are much higher resolution than sound stored only for playback
CD format is fine for any kind of playback purposes, but doesn't leave much headroom for editing
Fake work: making an iPhone app in a bloated DE. needs: lots of RAM because shit software
Real work: Working on an IC, writing device drivers, working on kernel source. needs: a computer from 1994 because lightweight and often legacy software
>tfw upgraded my laptop from 3GB to 5GB but I've never seen it break 600MB in usage
Holy shit I looked that girl who thinks storage space is RAM up and she's my brother's friend on Facebook, what are the fucking odds?
Maybe somewhere here can help me.
My RAM usage goes to 90%+ with just chrome and spotify going with 8GB of RAM.
When I add up the memory usage on the applications it doesn't even get to 1GB, yet my usage looks like pic related.
Anybody know wtf is going on?
My processes tab. Nowhere near 8GB.
Computer runs like absolute ass too until I restart it. Gets to 90% quickly again though.
>taking /g/ seriously ever
this is just being at desktop with opera, chrome and notepad++
its fucking 80 bucks for 2x8GB, so im definitely getting 32GB for another 80 bucks.
This is in Chrome, with 3 tabs open + Steam, Skype, Google Drive etc. running.
This is what you're talking about, right? Only the one.
16GB isn't overkill, not everyone needs more than 8GB but there are millions of people who don't really need more than 4GB. It's completely down to what's appropriate for you.
Anyone know any more about caching with 8GB vs 16GB? I upgraded from 4 to 16 recently so I have no experience with 8.
You're a fucking retard
>In a personal computer, a GPU can be present on a video card, or it can be embedded on the motherboard or—in certain CPUs—on the CPU die
>tfw lots of RAM available
>tfw GTA very high settings doesn't even use it all
8GB is already enough, unless you're a smelly filthy neckbeard nerd who runs muh multiple loonix distrewz at the same time.
>"the more the better/pricier"
Damn OP you've got some cringeworthy friends
>his "sexy 16gb of ram laptop" has a 1.35ghz dual core amd processor, integrated graphics and a 1366 x 768 15.6 inch screen
Although I'm not a fan of Apple's software, I love to see some /g/ clueless retards lose it evry time a new iPhone is released.
>lol, look at the new iPhone, it has an 8 MP camera, that's so old!
>how is it possible everyone is claiming the iPhone has the best camera? my phone has 16 MP, 16 MP > 8 MP therefore mine is better!
>lol, look at the new iPhone, it has a dual-core processor, it's 2012 specs!
>how is it possible the iPhone is faster than my phone in benchmarks? it's a dual-core, that's 2012 specs, my phone has a quad-core processor!
I actually saw someone here asking how is it possible that Apple's dual-core SoCs are faster than quad-core Android ones, because "this is literally against physics laws".
Also, some idiots here actually think their quad-core phones are faster than dual-core laptops, despite the fact that laptops have TDPs five times as large (and that's the 15W ones, let alone the 35W ones), just because it's MOAR CORES.
Also, a non-retarded SoC for Android that focuses on high single-thread performance instead of ridiculous ammounts of cores when? I'm tired of the MOAR COARS meme.
>inb4 Android is well multi-threaded!
That doesn't mean apps are as well. Quite the opposite actually.
i think /g/ is just as guilty as this type of oversimplification. If I asked what's the difference between a 4GB gtx 960 and a 2GB, I bet the first answer would be something along the lines of "the 4gb one is 5% faster" when really it is a function of how much vram the application requires and any percentage difference given is meaningless.
4GB would be better at higher resolutions or with higher resolution textures assuming all the other specs were the same. In most tasks they would be functionally identical though.
If you play games at 1080p with one monitor and keep texture/AA settings moderate to low you can get by with 2GB even in the near future.
I think it's worth getting 4GB though because high res textures can really make a game look great all on their own.
More than 4 GiB is not necessary for most people. 8 GiB is enough for practically everyone. I need 16 GiB since I routinely use 3+ VMs, but that's not at all common.
Most people could get by just fine with a $300 laptop. Spending >$1000 on a Facebook machine is retarded.
I was gonna post I never use more than 8GB of ram but clearly I'm an idiot
>8 GB system
>game takes 3 GB of RAM and firefox gets paged down to 1 GB
>try to use firefox
>locks up and crashes
Anyone who says 8 GB is enough is fucking retarded and should kill themselves.