when and how did dell become the best in quality monitors?

For a long fucking time already.

They found a formula that works and stuck to it.

Quality panels + good prices + features people want

>>51553097
A long, long time ago.

Along with EIZO and NEC they should be the only brand monitor anyone should ever consider.

>>51553126
This. And there is little to none copy variation. We have loads of screen at work and some brands have so much copy variation you wonder if it's a different type, but it's not.

My experience:

- Acer K242HL: We bought around 30 of these. Some have DVI, some have DVI and HDMI. Panel differences, height differences, even the font is different on some. Cheap as shit of course, perhaps to be expected, but still a bit surprised with the variation.

- Apple Cinema Display: Aluminium version, we had around 8 at the office. Noticed panel variation, some LG, some Philips. The Philips ones were more prone to bleeding it seemed.

- Samsung: All types, major differences in color. Never opened them up, they're cheap as shit, but I thought with Samsung making it's on panels that monitors of the same type would at least look the same. Not sure if it's shoddy calibration or panel variation

- Asus: No experience with their monitors, but we have +/- 150 Asus laptops of the same type. I must admit, from what I've seen, only a little panel variation, pretty good considering the price.

- Dell: From what I can tell, at my previous job we had loads of them in dual screen setups; never a problem with matching them, looked the same, brightness controls the same.

Would rather have an LG ultrawide over a Dell ultrawide

>>51553097
>>51553126
>>51553368
>>51553421
wow... amazing... why is dell so great?

>>51553421
Exactly the reason I got fed up, sold all my monitors and bought 3 Dells for a tri-monitor setup, they are exactly the same, and all aspects match.

Does dell have a 1440p 144hz led monitor?

>>51553421

Agreed.

When looking at monitors, I only consider Dell and Asus generally.

Asus has nicer IPS panels to my eyes, but I like to sit really close so it basically completely fills my vision. I guess it's all personal and dependent on ergonomics etc.

>>51553945

Nah.

>>51553945
>144hz meme
Dell aren't that pathetic.

>>51553945

Then do now, but it's a TN.

>>51554165
I hear bad things about TN's. I've never personally used one though. Are they bad for watching shows on?

>>51554200

I would personally just use a TN for "gaming" and a second IPS monitor for browsing and videos.

>>51553465
>why is dell so great?
Decent panels, neutral designs with no edgy underage gamer bait, much better QA than certain other brands. The stand design you can see in OP's pic is shared by many Dell monitors and is very solid compared to wobbly plastic art crap. Pretty good factory settings on most of their models too; they almost never have seriously wrong gamma or color response.

Acer, Shitsung et al. tend to randomly ship models where "default" means eye-searing 10000K color temperatures, <2.0 gamma or something like that, as if they were just piecing together random Chinese parts without quite understanding what their purpose is.

Dell used to get a lot of flak for using (visibly different) panels from different suppliers in supposedly same models, but I think they've mostly stopped their "panel lottery" now.

I'm probably gonna keep using my U2410 until it somehow breaks or something in that family of horrible failures, and from what it sounds like, every U2410 successor has been shitty

>>51554200
Personally I can't use TNs. I'm too sensitive to the left/right and top/bottom colour shift on displays. I can even notice it on IPS and VA panels, but it's generally ok.

>>51553368
I want to buy an EIZO soon. Anything I should look out for when buying a 1100 Euro display?

Asus ROG Swift PG278Q.

Discussion is over.

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>>51555980
Wrong
Acer Predator XB270HU
Now /thread

>>51553368
>EIZO

they seem to be the only ones making VA panels. always wanted to try it out but way too expensive.

>>51553097

Since 2000, at least.

I just wanted a G-sync 144hz IPS monitor that is not the 850 euro Acer Predotor..

>>51553368


Iyama also made high quality shit.

>>51553097
They dont fall for the "MUH ULTRA LOW RESPONSE TIME FOR MUH GAYMEN AND ULTRA RICED L@@KS" shit. They are grown up

>>51555980
>muh games

U2713H user reporting in

>>51555980
>TN.
Into the trash.

>EIZO
Literally paying more than 30% for the brand.

>Asus
Enjoy your warranty hell cuz their panels suck dick.

>Dell
Can't play games (might not be minus if you don't even care) but are superb to other monitors in every single regard

I'm holding back until I see some nice 120Hz VA or IPS panels for an affordable price. Honestly, I should probably just bite the bullet and get a decent quality 120Hz TN. My current monitor is a TN panel from probably over 5 years ago.

>>51557457
Can't play games? Why not?

>>51557475
I wonder how long I would have to wait for 120/144Hz 21:9 VA Monitors to come along with affordable prices... or at least one at all.

>>51557515
muh 60hz.

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>>51557457
>you need a 144hz monitor to play games

Good goy.

>>51557533
So if you're okay with 60fps it's completely fine?

>>51557533
I wonder how people played games before 100+ Hz meme monitors

>>51557541
You don't really NEED but dear lord freesync/gsync+144hz monitor is great for gaymen.


>>51557551
yes i guess. i've got 30" ultrasharp and its wonderful monitor

>>51557533

Unless you play nothing but fast-paced competitive FPS, 144hz is a waste of money.

>>51557581
its pretty neat to watch movie on 144hz with refresh rate matching the movie framre rate senpai

>>51557541
>>51557562
>>51557581
Same logic applies to 30fps. People just like higher framerates.

>>51557581
so its not good for sny other games? sure sure stop meming lizard dick

>>51557556
Are you underage ?
Ever used a CRT ?

>>51557581
You have never ever seen a monitor displaying image @ 144 Hz.

>>51557685
>muh games

>>51557457
>asus
>panels suck dick
VS248 user here, you suck dick.

>>51557581
Even then. The "fastest paced" FPS is CSGO and they've ruined that game so hard there's no point to it.
>>51557627
no. 30fps is objectively shit and you're blind as fuck if you don't see that.

>>51557457
http://www.amazon.com/Dell-Gaming-S2716DG-LED-Lit-Monitor/dp/B0149QBOF0/

what do you guys think of this dell monitor?

>27"
>1440p
>g-sync

only downside is its a TN panel. but fuck $599 seems like a good price for the other features.

If you're going to make the claim that only FPS players would need it, then you've already admitted that 120Hz is the superior display technology. You're just bitching that people "don't need" the better technology. Why do you care?

I used to game on a CRT back in the early 2000s and I really miss the smooth motion that everything had back in the day. Now there's all this tearing and vsync shit you need to deal with. The thing I don't miss of course, is the crippling headaches. I used to get them constantly, but after switching to an LCD display, they lowered in frequency to a couple of times a month.

>>51557744
You really need to see TN IRL to see if you can handle its colors and angles.

Even watching movies is pretty shitty on it even if you sit in front of it. Fucking laptop angles but not quite as shit.

>>51557744
>it's a TN
IPS doesn't do low 1ms response time.

>>51557786
Wait monitors affect tearing or v-sync? I thought it was just GPU performance issues?

>tfw you miss the sound degaussing button made in CRT screens.

>>51557707
Jesus. If it wasn't for legacy (24 fps is lowest frame before you can feel the jerkiness and hence the cheapest framerate for the cinema industry) you would be watching movies at this frame rate.

>>51557727
Yet you ironically shit on 144fps/hz. How is your logic any different?

>>51557822
Good thing we're not watching movies at that frame rate.
>muh games

>>51557707

why are you shouting memes, simpleton?

>>51557744

If it were IPS, I would say go for it. But for an NT at that price you may as well go 4K.

>>51557812
Are you kidding, faggot? Tearing is when a half a frame is shown to you because your GPU is generating FPS at a rate that isn't a multiple of your monitor's refresh rate.

120fps to 60hz (steadily) means the GPU can drop every other frame just fine.
150fps to 60hz (steadily) means every 2 frames you'll see a half a frame.

Vsync is your video card trying to sync frame for frame with the monitor. In practice it is cancer and bullshit causing more issues than it resolves.

>>51557852
I don't see a counterargument.

>>51557837
I'm not the poster you were speaking to earlier. I don't hate on 60+hz monitors at all. I just don't own one because my 60hz monitor is fine.

>>51553097
afaik,Dell and HP were always on the top, reason you even notice them is they started to produce monitors that aare in average person's price range...

Is 1440p, 144hz, IPS, 27" Dell too much to ask.

Why is this particular set of demands so rare in monitor world

>>51557670
You used CRT until recently when 100+ Hz monitors got cheaper?

>>51557812
Tearing usually happens because the GPU is pushing a picture too quickly to the monitor and it can't keep up, it's displaying parts of different frames on the screen at the same time. It can sometimes be caused by GPU issues, but usually it's the shitty monitor's refresh rate being out of sync with the content being pushed to it. It's basically what G-sync was made to fix.

CRT monitors could change their refresh rates to whatever the fuck you wanted; there was no "native resolution" or set refresh rate, you set your resolution at what you wanted, and you set your refresh rate at what you wanted, and shit just worked.

>>51557845
I really don't understand the point of your post, maybe mine wasn't clear:

High frame rates are NOT a "gaming" thing if that's what you're trying to say with "muh games".

Watching movies at 24 FPS with tons of post processing IS a legacy practice and is BOUND to disappear.

>>51557974
With that logic, you should kill yourself since you're going to die anyway.

>>51557970
What is the difference of Freesync and G-Synch?

Because fucking G-Sync is automatically additional 200 to 250 euros to the price of IPS monitor here. Freesync versions almost always 200-150euros cheaper.

What brand makes the least shitty budget monitors? Talking about €150 maximum

>>51557974
>watching movies at 24fps . . . is a legacy practice . . . bound to disappear

Literally not. 60fps movies are WEIRD to the average person's eye. Watch a soap opera. That's at 60fps

>>51558013
BenQ senpai.

>>51557959

Because the demand for 144hz + IPS monitors is small.

The only people who care about it are Frame-per-second autists. Real enthusiasts know that higher resolution and picture quality is more important.

>>51558040
>Real enthusiasts (of preference omitted) "know" (my opinion inserted here) that higher resolution allows me to suck more dick freely
faggot

>>51558040
but I want to gayme (thus the 144hz, and I have high end GPU which can actually get above 120fps in games reliably)

but I also want to enjoy movies (thus IPS)

and I also want lots of stuff to fit my screen thus 1440p

Fuck

>>51557970

Why don't they make CRTs anymore

A 27 inch would weigh like seven tons but that's not an issue once it's installed

>>51558009
Freesync causes ghosting

>>51558060
>muh games
Go back to being below GE, scrub.

>>51558009
GSync uses a custom module, that's why it's more expensive. FreeSync is running on top of DP Adaptive Sync, which is a standard (but not mandatory) feature of DP1.2a. FreeSync is implemented by the monitor's own scaler so there's no additional hardware cost.

In practice they have the same effect. A current disadvantage of FreeSync scalers/monitors is that a lot of them have a rather narrow restricted FreeSync range, i.e. you could buy a 144Hz FreeSync monitor but FreeSync would only work in the 35-90Hz range. This will probably change as new models come out.

>>51558040
>my opinion is facts
>everyone who has a different opinion is an autist.

>>51553368
If you can get a good deal on an Apple Cinema Display you should get it.

>>51558115
yfw they use LG panels, which is what Dell primarily uses

>>51558088

>gsync uses custom modules

Thats why you were able to run Gsync on monitors with DP 1.2a when you hacked the drivers.

>>51558088
>adaptive synch is feature of DP (display port?) 1.2a

could you tell me if MG279Q has got adaptive sync? It does have DP 1.2 but not a, so I guess not?

>>51557858
there are the IPS versions from asus and acer but they are $700+ and it seems the first batch have a lot of problems with QC. not sure if its resolved but a lot of people had to send 2 or more back because of problems. i think IPS 144hz technology is just not there yet.

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>>51558097

I didn't think your buyer's remorse would hit you THIS hard.

>>51558008
You're cost cutting practices in the film industry from the 20th century to the the unavoidable biological death written in human genes.

Fuck off

>>51558038

So is the Benq Gl2460 24" good?

If my monitor has Adaptive Sync (it has got FreeSync at least)

and I have nVidia GPU

can my nVidia GPU use the Adaptive Sync part to match frame rate to FPS?

I went to best buy yesterday and swapped out my old Asus 20" for a dell 24" 1080p for 100 bucks (was 200). Did I do good?

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>>51558165
I mean, it's your own logic.

>>51558026
People are used to garbage, you've seen garbage your whole life

>>51558136
If I had to guess it's because of those "GSync" laptops which didn't have actual modules either. NVIDIA probably "secretly" supports DP Adaptive Sync as well, but keeps it purposefully hidden and disabled in order to push their GSync jewery.

Typical NVIDIA behavior basically.

>>51558138
MG279Q is a FreeSync display AFAIK, so yes, it would use DP Adaptive Sync.

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>>51558070
huge power draw. a 27" crt would use up as much power as your PC. also they are dangerous as fuck. even ones that have been unplugged for weeks can still kill you if you try to open it up to fix something.

i think this CRT monitor was like $5k back in the day.

>>51558136
what tell me more? So you're saying i could just get a non-gsync 144hz monitor and hack it to run gsync?

>>51553097
http://www.amazon.com/Dell-E2414Hr-24-Inch-LED-Lit-Monitor/dp/B00FE8MKTM/

Is this a good monitor? Should I pull the trigger, I'd like a second monitor.

>>51558251
So if I have 980Ti and DP V1.2a monitor (the Asus one I told you about)

can my Shitvidia use the VESA standard Adaptive Sync (not free sync) and match the frame rate to FPS

I bet Nvidia are too jews to allow this

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Just bought a dell E2414Hm for 100 bucks is that a good deal/good pc?

Don't G-sync and Freesync lower your overall FPS by a large amount in order to maintain a smooth image? I'd rather just turn it off and set it to 120Hz, then let everything else handle the frame adjusting. If you run 120Hz, you can simply double every frame on 60Hz content and quadruple every frame on 30Hz. I don't understand why G-sync and FreeSync are even needed. Most games are locked to 60 or 30 FPS anyway.

>>51558321
>most games are locked
no they really aren't unless you play bad console ports.

>>51558284
Officially no, it cannot because NVIDIA does not support it. I don't know if there are any hacks around or if some actual hardware support is required on the graphics card side. I don't currently own any recent-ish NVIDIA cards.

>>51558365
Fucking jew fucks new high end AMD cant get here fast enough fucking awful Nvidia compnay hope they burn in fucking hell goddamn fucking anti-consumer fucking cockmongers hope they get fucking executed and blacked in that order fuck them

>>51558321
lol no games aren't locked. also gsync/freesync matches your monitor to what your gpu outputs. so it actually increases fps, makes everything look smoother and eliminates any type of input lag.

>>51558321
>Don't G-sync and Freesync lower your overall FPS by a large amount in order to maintain a smooth image?
Not really. GSync locks your FPS to the refresh rate AFAIK. FreeSync works in its own interval, if FPS is above the maximum limit its simply deactivated (you can lock framerate to a value within the interval or use VSync to cap it if you want).


>I don't understand why G-sync and FreeSync are even needed. Most games are locked to 60 or 30 FPS anyway.
Because frame rate changes arbitrarily and isn't locked to 30, 60 or 120 in the vast majority of games. Maybe you have 35 or 57 or 78 FPS or any other number that isn't a divisor of 120.

>>51558176
>>51558176
Its cheap as shit but benq is reliable I had their TN panel shit couple years back and it wasnt even bad.

>>51558406
Eh, NVIDIA is anti-consumer and jewy as fuck, that's for sure, but as an AMD owner I can definitely tell you that the grass isn't very green on this side. I'm actually considering getting NVIDIA the next time I upgrade, despite being fully aware of the jewery.

AMD support this year for my 290X CF has just been fucking awful, not sure I want to buy from them again. I'll wait and see in any case, won't decide before Arctic Islands and Pascal are out.

>>51558474
Haha and I got 980Ti and I hate nVidia and the grass is color of shit here.

When will you and me get a third GPU company that cares of its consumers?

Nvidia is so anti-consumer its insane.

>>51558504
>tfw samsung buys out AMD and we get maximum jewry from both sides

>>51558472

Good to know

The other options were a €120 LG and a €145 Asus but I've read that Asus has a fuckton of bleed (more often than other brands I mean) and their RMA support is awful

>>51558504

why don't the people who make smartphone GPUs make shit for desktops

>>51558274
No HDMI, what are you connecting it to?

>>51557886
That's because there can't be a counter argument to something that isn't an argument in the first place.

>muh games
isn't an argument, it's just you saying you don't like playing video games and it really gets you butt blasted for some reason that other people have different interests than you.

>>51558642
I'd pick up a DVI-D cable, they're pretty cheap.

Anyone know of a good budget 1440p monitor? Dell ones are a bit much or at least theres none on sale anyway.
Looking to spend like £200 but this black friday shill is shit for the uk

I haven't had a monitor since my CRT mid 2000s.

I want to get something to ease eye strain, should I go with BenQ?

>>51558940
You should go with a VA panel and a constant not PWM controlled backlight if that's your first concern.

Benq are actually good quality.

When will the 1440p 27" IPS montitors with a decent refresh rate be on sale? No I don't want some monoprice bullshit with a meme bezel and no inputs

>>51556418

Got the predator in my possession. Great buy 10/10.

>>51558256
Any electrican will tell you to discharge any appliance with a ground(like an insulated skrewdriver).

>>51559607
how does this work? just have something touch ground from the device?

>>51558940
>CRT for 10 years
There is no coming back from that eye damage.