And how is this shit not retarded? Can you explain that to me?

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God I love Apple

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>>51508922
>Buy google (botnet) product
>expect respect of your privacy

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Not my fault people dont encrypt their phones.

>>51508939
>implying they can't do this
Do you have ANY idea how iOS fully works at the core? They have backdoors, too, friendo.

>>51508978
>he thinks the encryption key doesn't get stored on google servers

>>51509004

Source? Proof? Anything?

>>51509007
what do you think those 26% of devices that google cant get into are??? It's the encrypted ones retard.

>>51508978
doesn't matter, they know everything at this point

>>51509021
>they claim the 26% are safe
and you believe them?

>>51509018

Literally search Google, that kind of thing is common as fuck on iOS.

>>51509018
>http://readwrite.com/2014/07/23/apple-ios-backdoor-acknowledgement-support-document
>http://readwrite.com/2014/07/22/apple-ios-security-backdoor-iphone-ipad-surveillance
This means it has official support for a designed backdoor.
They just need a court order and that's it, bro. They can use the "Diagnostic Capabilities" to extract key data.

Google can be grotesque when it does this. Apple shamelessly does this all the time. Stop your shilling.

>>51509045
Then what's the point of this article if you're implying they already have everything anyway?

If google does so does apple, if apple does so does M$, if M$ does so does whoever.

>>51509101
>if apple does so does M$
Microsoft the worse botnet actually.
>what is windows 10

Blackberry is the only viable way if you long for privacy and efficiency. Stop buying overpriced toys.

>>51509111
never said it wasn't, my point is if you think all devices are already compromised then it doesn't matter what you use.

>>51509117
>Blackberry is the only viable way
nope, they use android now,

>>51509130
Every product prior to the Priv uses BB 10

>>51509176
>BB cares about privacy
did you forget when BB handed over the data of every BB user in Saudi Arabia to their government?

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Oh no guys!!!!oneone1one Android is finished and bankrup! :^(

Guess we better get $800 iPhones®™ which use a closed source OS which you can trust®™. You guys aren't poor right? ;^)

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>>51508922
So can Apple with all pre iOS8 devices.

>>51509205
Sorry, I thought that we were talking about privacy in democratic countries.

>>51509275
>democratic countries.
same shit, it's just that it makes the news when it's the saudis, but it's hush-hush when it's a western country.

>>51509274
>pre iOS8 devices.
so getting a new iphone is better than getting a new android phone?

>>51509255
Tim Cook is defending encryption now that the UK has announced they plan on invading their citizens' privacy as much as possible.

>>51509080
>Literally search Google
>trusting google not to falsify results in order to make their competitors look bad

>>51509294
No, read the fucking image which is from the document referenced in the OP post.

>>51509294
Did you read his picture? Any android phone running 5.0 or later can be encrypted, and any Nexus device running 5.0 or later is encrypted by default.

>>51509284
Yeah, but the true thing is that BB 10 is safer than other OS.

>>51509294
Are you retarded, it says older versions of android you fucking twat.

>owning a smartphone

>>51509310
>>51509313
>>51509319
So what you're saying is I should buy a new iPhone because they aren't owned by Google (the number one data-mining company in the world)?

>>51509300
>Tim Cook
based homosexual.

I don't get why the Brits put up with their 1984-tier government. I really don't.

>>51509319
>>51509313
>>51509310
>full disk encryption has not yet been implemented as a default

Does this effect forks like cyanogen? This is pretty concerning to me
>>51509324
You have no excuse not to own one unless you're over 40 or a friendless neckbeard

>>51509273
lol this. Google can't do jack shit if you disable them from being a phone admin.

>>51508922
Nothing to explain. This is the correct punishment that smartphone buyers deserve for wanting laggy pieces of plastic and a million of useless apps instead of caring about their privacy and their phone's efficiency.

>>51509338
Yeah, do that. Apple would never, ever backstab you or lock you out. :^)
Or you can get an Android phone with 5.1 or M and enjoy the same security. I guarantee it won't bend at least - at most, top it in every way.

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>>51509273
>>51509378
>one tick box will protect you from Google
wew

>>51509356
>needing an excuse to not own a product
That's some warped logic you've got there.

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Daily reminder that apple betrayed you all as well.

Also >>51509273

>>51509397
Not sure about you but all of my friends use Snapchat, Instagram, and others. If you're a loner and hardly leave your basement that's cool.

>>51509395
You know iOS can be unlocked by apple if the government orders them to right? That's the magic behind a closed source os.

>>51509389
>I guarantee it won't bend at least
https://youtu.be/tTIaUH6PIvo?t=176

>>51509424
>Snapchat, Instagram, and others
Just don't use that shit then. If you never talk or interact with them outside of those platforms, they aren't really your friends anyway.

>>51509458
[citation needed]

>>51509424
The only social network I am a part of is github.
I don't need a phone for that

>>51509474
Why shouldn't I use them? What are the advantages of using a dumbphone other than being a special snowflake?

>>51509490
>github
more like SJWhub
>ban webm converter for retards
at least use https://gitgud.io

>>51509470
So we have and android phone that bends and a flagship iPhone than bends!
I can choose HTC, Sony, Samsung, Huawei with like specs.
What else do you have? iPhone 5S?

>>51509490
>using SJWhub
GitLab master race

>>51509510
Cost and physical buttons

>>51509530
It takes github logins
Still part of the github network

>>51509536
>cost
I'm not a nigger.
>physical buttons
What are the advantages of this?

>>51509527
>you
I actually have a Z1. Just because I call you out on your bullshit doesn't mean I'm an apple product user.

>>51508922
>can
>CAN

not saying they "wont"

but apples currently denying the FBI access to a meth dealers phone that was running ios5

which TECHNICALLY they CAN bypass

just remember that

>>51509341
>>full disk encryption has not yet been implemented as a default
okay? Like I said here
>>51508978


not my fault

>>51509324

>I work at home depot

Have fun in the real world where you need to answer emails on the go, video conferencing, create/edit/send documents, group IM etc.

>>51509536
He's got a point. You can expect people to return a call sometime, and meet up afterwards.
And most of those apps are accesible through a website, so no need.

Not that I don't find a smartphone convenient and nice, but there's no need if you have a laptop or PC.

>>51509584
If you wanted to do any of that well, you'd use an ultrabook or something.

>editing documents on your phone

>>51509567
We both have a Z1, brah. But my point still stands. A Nexus bends? Get an Xperia.
A flagship iPhone bends? Shit out of luck.

>I work at home depot

Have fun in the real world where you need to answer emails on the go, video conferencing, create/edit/send documents, group IM etc.

>>51509617
I'm in for a new phone brah, but the options suck ass. Z5 has snapfire, BB Priv ain't out yet (not here at least) and will cost an arm and a leg. IF iOS proves to be more secure, I will switch (and keep my Z1 just in case).

Thing is, I'm not sure yet. Maybe wait for Sony's next line up.

>>51509652
Derailing, but idgaf.
I'm seriously considering a Z5, but just for tha fact it has more stuff, like a new laptop.
But truth be said, I haven't encountered a single situation where I went "shit, this phone isn't cutting it" or "it looks bad". Hell, even the DStriker Z1 ROM made my phone last more battery-wise. (locked BL)
A new phone right now is more for bragging rights, IMO.

>>51509486
They have multiple backdoors like >>51509423 precisely because want to be able to access your iphone in an "emergency". They made deals with the NSA specifically to NOT patch explouts and vulnerabilities so the NSA could have easy access to them.

Read the snowden leaks, apple is in some freaky shit with the NSA.

>>51509711
I have abused my Z1 for almost 2 years. Thrown/dropped etc (even been in a bicycle accident with it). The repair shop is asking 140€ for screen replacement (only the outer class is cracked, 1 single crack on top portion) LCD works fine, but the top portion of the screen doesn't respond to touch anymore.

It doesn't feel good, spending 140€ on my Z1. Also the USB flap got rek'd.

>>51509747
>Read the snowden leaks, apple is in some freaky shit with the NSA.
then Google and Apple are both shit in terms of privacy? Or are you claiming that Google ain't that bad? Didn't Snowden say some fucked up shit about Google working with the government?

>>51509605

>having to carry a laptop everywhere you go

No wonder you own a dumb phone.

>>51509791
Uh if you're actually a business guy who needs to take emails, do video conferences, and do document work while you travel around, of course you're going to use a laptop for that. A phone is in no way a replacement.

>>51509822
This is not true, you don't NEED a laptop for these things, especially if you're traveling a lot.

>>51509832
>managing documents on a phone

>>51509605
>>51509584
>>51509822
Blackberry can do those things.

>>51509849
I do it all the time on my Z1.

>>51509822

>needing a laptop on the train
>needing a laptop at a client event
>needing a laptop at lunches
>needing a laptop while walking anywhere

Fill it up with 93. Debit. Thanks.

>>51509784
>then Google and Apple are both shit in terms of privacy? Or are you claiming that Google ain't that bad?
Pretty much. If unbreakable privacy is what you want use number stations like actually sketchy people do. You can even embed the keys in image data if you're not a pleb.

>>51509018
The fact that iCloud exists.

>>51509911
DELETE your post immediately.

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>>51509911
>number stations
how productive. also, the receiver has to use radio as well.

I don't actually have anything to hide, and my friends are all normies. But I can't stand the idea of me getting buttfucked without knowing it by some cunt corporation.

>>51509940
Google drive exists as well, and doesn't google sync all your data to their servers? what's your point

>>51509911
I thought the number stations were just a meme from call of dooty?

I don't have a password on my device, I like living dangerously.

>>51509998
fucking wow

they've been used by every countries spy agency at some point in history

>>51509998
>>51509911
I thought they were just some outdated government shit.

>>51509548
you know you can host your own gitlab, without github logins

>>51508922
Apple can do the same

>>51509021
Probably the ones without password. You know, the people who don't have anything to hide.

>>51509895
>Fill it up with 93. Debit. Thanks.
What's that supposed to mean? You don't carry a fucking wallet either?
Work is work, leisure is leisure. You can do both without a smartphone, and be in the loop.
If you work in the media industry, then the smartphone becomes a work tool. Otherwise, what, you're gonna send e-mails while driving (which you also can do with your laptop)? Piece of shit. Grab a hands-free, fucker.

Again, you don't NEED a smartphone to keep up. It's convenient, but not a necessity, nor does the lack of one make you a luddite.

>>51509849
Depends on the document and what you need to do. If it's just a pdf to check boxes, fill in fields, print out sign and email back I can do the whole thing on my phone in less time than on my laptop.

If I have to add slides to a powerpoint yeah I'm gonna use my laptop.

>>51509971
>how productive. also, the receiver has to use radio as well.
irc channels/phone calls can be used to broadcasts the numbers or you could just encode them in an image. You can only use an encryption key once though. Actually youtube is broadcasting number stations as we speak in the video streams but I don't know how the numbers are specifically encoded in the streams since youtube re-encodes video.

>>51509021
Xiaomi phones and other chinese phones without google apps

>>51509849
>Not remotely connecting to desktop over 4g lte.
Plebs never cease to amaze.

>>51510021
Good. Fucking. Luck. decrypting a number station lad. They are bullet-proof unless the user re-used keys.

>>51510069
that kind of stuff is way above my head. I don't even have anything to hide that is worth the fuss. Even my porn taste is not a secret.

But I just like the idea of my data belonging and staying with me. Is there no convenient way to at least maximize privacy while still using a smartphone?

Apple is an active participant in NSA PRISM. Don't believe me? Look at the fucking leaks from Edward Snowden.

>>51509987
Because if you reset an iPhone without logging out of iCloud, the phone can't even get past the activation without that password. The only way to unlock it without the password is to go to an apple store with proof of purchase of the phone.

>>51510074
fuck off if you're being serious.

>>51510069
I found a number station in a youtube audio stream once. It was weird as fuck because at first I thought it was just some tune in the music until I realized the spikes of frequencies representing numbers were in the 18-20khz range. Freaky.

>>51508922
>using otg usb host p2p android
>delete where the key is store via adb
>now you can access it.

Here is video about it. I modified it a little bit to android android rat onto devices, Still have it on my s4 incase I come across older android phone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmDwl50usZg

>>51510101
So is Microsoft. But is there anything to prove that Google is not?

>>51510151
Doesnt work on any newer android devices. so have fun with that I guess.

>>51508922
> open source Software
Well, anyone surprised?

>>51510155
The three are ass deep related with the NSA.
It's more a "choose your poison" kind of thing.
Though at least you can install AOSP on android devices and modify what you believe can be intrusive for your privacy.

>>51510203
is all of android opensource?

>>51510216
welp.. that sounds terrible. I bet the hardware has backdoors as well, so you probably can't fix it entirely from the software.

>>51509341
>>full disk encryption has not yet been implemented as a default
As of October 5, apparently, but the option is there to enable it on devices that don't come with it enabled by default.

I think that's fair though, I don't store sensitive data on my phone so I don't feel like I need to encrypt it.

>>51508922
>older versions
woah, 0 fucks given

>>51509784
>then Google and Apple are both shit in terms of privacy?
Yes.
>Or are you claiming that Google ain't that bad?
The only ones who claimed Apple was any better than Google were Applefags.
Nobody is trying to claim that Google is better. You should check which side of the retard fence you are, because the full retard ball is in Applefag court.

>>51510053

It means you probably pump gas.

You don't need a smartphone, you don't need a car, you don't need anything really. I guess I could just live off nuts and berries. Thanks for the life pointers anon. #amen

>>51509356
>Does this effect forks like cyanogen?
If you install gapps, yes.

You know how you can remote lock you device if you lose it? It is basically an extension of that. If you can lock/unlock your device through a Google's service, do you think they couldn't do it themselves?

The same applies to Apple, of course.

However the device encryption is a locally stored password, they can remotely unlock encrypted devices but they can't decrypt them.

>>51510267
It does also degrade performance somewhat, so older devices or lower powered devices shouldnt be forced into it I dont think. Though it should always be an option to enable.

>>51510312
>the device encryption is a locally stored password
How do we know this for sure?

Doesn't Microsoft for example, store BitLocker keys on their server without asking the user?

Can someone please contribute to my thread? >>51510059

>>51510295
Stop fishing for an excuse to buy commodities.
Productivity and social dynamics are mostly done outside the spectrum of a SMARTphone, name any profession.
Separate that from leisurely usage.

>>51510328
Yes. It would be a good idea to see what your device's AES score is on Geekbench before enabling it.

>>51510337
The code for it is probably in the AOSP repo because device encryption isn't under a gapp setting.
I haven't tried it but it is also possible the password isn't actually stored (even in a hashed form) but rather used to encrypt the device.

>>51510180
>Still have it on my s4 incase I come across older android phone

Did you miss that sentence?

>>51510379

>implying my company doesn't pay for my phone

Are you in between shifts at the steel mill?

>>51510093
>Good. Fucking. Luck. decrypting a number station lad. They are bullet-proof unless the user re-used keys.
Can someone confirm? If not then how long would it take to brute force crack a key?

>>51510446
No, actually I'm busy with work. Using a laptop to respond to your dumb ass.

And WhatsApp messages too. Didn't you know it has a web platform now?
Facebook too, you should try that. Pictures look really nifty in a 15" display, you know. So do videos!

>>51509832
You do need a laptop or at least a tablet, because a smartphone is a shitty replacement for a laptop with a shittier screen and shittier performance, and a shittier screen in comparison to a tablet.

Are you one of those faggots who prefers straining your eyes and your small dick in order to read off a smartphone screen,
or one of those intelligent people who use a proper screen size to do their work because a smartphone is basically for pencil-dick people?

>>51509004
if iOS has backdoors, how come that same leaked document does not mention Apple's ability to bypass passcodes for law enforcement?

>>51510510
>shittier
doesn't mean you NEED a laptop.

>>51510476
theoretically they are un-crackable but you might be able to crack one if you had access to super computers.

>>51510529
>if you had access to super computers.
like the NSA?

>>51510476
they are one-time pads

>>51510529
wrong, they are ONE TIME PADS

>>51510516
How do you know they don't? Have you read them?

>>51510522
You do if you are doing documents and video conferences.
What kind of a dumb pencil-dick faggot does documents on a retard tier smartphone screen, or use a shitty smartphone sensor camera to appear like a giant blob on puke in comparison to a proper laptop camera?
Are you a
C
U
C
K
?

>>51510563
Because the report is whining about how law enforcement is unable to get into iOS8 phones (and newer android phones) because of the encryption.

>>51510607
It's also whining about encryption on Lollipop and later. How is it different?

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>>51510516
>how come that same leaked document does not mention Apple's ability to bypass passcodes for law enforcement?

>>51510567
>dumb pencil-dick faggot
I can't argue with a 12yo.

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>mfw no passcode

>>51510642
It isn't, I'm not the guy jerking himself off about Apple.

>>51510607
>Newer iOS and newer android phones
Read the OP and the thread. The backdoor is for older android devices, too. So is the problem with iOS 7

>>51510661
I know. It's sometimes hard to accept that a 12 year old beat you at a debate.

>>51510567
Smartphone cameras are objectively better than most laptop webcams.

>>51510668
Then you're not relevant to the post you were replying to.

>>51510669
It's not really surprising either way, that older software has security vulnerabilities.

>>51510672
a delusional 12yo.

>>51510694
That's what they say when they lose to make themselves feel better.
Smaller is better, said no woman ever my little pencil-dick smartphone friend.

>>51510567

Of course I have a laptop, but that faggot was arguing that you don't need a smartphone at all and can just use a laptop and a flip phone.

>being a kek
>having the convenience of mobility

Okay

>>51510714
There's nothing "small" about modern smartphones. Do you live under a rock?
>pencil-dick
why are you so obsessed with penis size? insecure aren't you?

>>51510540
Unfortunate due to the nature of how one time number pad based encryption works as long as you used random letters and numbers to generate they key it is literally impossible to crack no matter how many super computers hacked at it

>>51510741
>There's nothing "small" about modern smartphones.
In comparison to what, laptops?
Your dick is small in comparison to black dick, even though you may delude yourself into thinking its big in comparison to your small hands.
>why are you so obsessed with penis size? insecure aren't you?
Why are you obsessed with thinner phones and pushing small screen smartphones as good? Trying to indirectly push the idea that having a pencil-dick is satisfactory in hopes a woman would ever accept that?

>>51510714

>said no woman ever

You watch too much Mandingo porn young man.

>>51510795
>Your dick is small in comparison to black dick
oh so you have an interracial cückold fetish eh? Off you go then.

>>51510798
I AM the mandingo pinkie pencil-dick.

>>51510820
What's up? Mad that you were found out about your pitiful tactics at making yourself feel better about your tiny pencil-dick?
Hey, you could be getting better performance out of your dick and more battery life, but instead you like it thin and under-performing. That's your loss johnny boy.

>>51510733
>>having the convenience of mobility
A smaller dick does indeed provide more convenient movement in jeans,
but sadly it is useless movement since wherever you go with it, you can't actually make any use of it.
Nobody accepts under-performers.

>>51508922
>expecting any proprietary os to offer you complete freedom
we live in an age where the botnet is the only way to actually get things done
practices like this are a dime a dozen

>>51510855
>goes on about penis size
your insecurities must keep you awake at night. go back to pol.

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>>51510823
Well, it might be short but holy hell, the girth.
Still nothing to be proud of

>>51510925
You wish you could be awake at night. But nobody wants your pencil-dick, and thus your nights are spent asleep.
It's everything to be ashamed of my little pencil-dick friend.

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>>51510855

I'm a sub twink so doesn't matter. Pic related

>>51508922
>using smartphones
baka desu senpai

>>51510656
so law enforcement can only effectively use a backdoor to gain access to 9% of apple devices? With those devices being at least 2 years old? Not bad, honestly

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>>51510950
>pencil dick
If I was as insecure as you, I'd post a dick pic by now to shut you up, but I find the fact that you're triggered and go on about penis size, pretty entertaining.

>>51511032
You don't have the dick size to post your dick pic on /g/ my little pencil-dick.
That's all the fact the Universe needs to witness the lacking extent of your small-dick.

>>51511072
>begging me for dick pic
fuck off homosexual

>>51510999
the iPhone 4 was released back in 2010 and the 4S in 2011. So basically Apple stopped LEOs from getting info from any device made after 2011. That's pretty impressive

>>51511081
No thanks. Not even a gay man likes pencil-dicks. No level of anus tightness can compensate for your lack of size.

>>51509087
>2014

>>51509578
It is the default now

>>51509080
>namefag
>retarded
not surprised

>passcode
>implying it wasn't always "feel good" security and protection against petty thieves

It's the same shit as bathroom door locks, guard rails, hotel safes, and airport and mall security. They protect against trivial threats but the real reason they're there is to make everybody feel good. It's also there as an asscover for situations like a kid falling off a ledge so the media can't gripe "WHY WASNT THERE A GUARD RAIL!"

>>51510999
>Not bad, honestly
When the NSA/FBI serve you a gagging order, you have a legal right to lie on all matters that would infringe the terms of the order. If not lying to consumers would be in breach of the order, you have a not only a right but a responsibility to lie. They can't be fined, they can't be held accountable, and the only people that get to know about backdoors are the people that are pushing for them.

It's fucked, all of it.

Question:
Can I install Android 5 on my Xperia Z1?

>>51511371
does this look like a tech board to you?

>>51509021
Even with encrypted devices you can skip the lockscreen. As long as the key is cached (the passkey has been entered at/since boot)

>>51509117
BB is literal designed for enterprise botnet, how do you know that isn't enabled to the government or BlackBerry?

>>51512438
Wouldn't that technically be the same with iPhones though?

Like, if they seized an iPhone that was already powered on, only locked, and they kept it powered couldn't they technically remotely unlock it?

This is why I own a Blackberry.

>>51509101
So your argument is that your encrypted device must be safe because this article indicates that a certain percentage of devices are safe?

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>>51509341
>I don't get why the Brits put up with their 1984-tier government. I really don't.
Probably the same reason Amerifats put up with their SJW-tier #blacklivesmatter government

>>51512521
iOS locks parts of the key chain every time the device is locked. I always assumed that included storage encryption keys, but I don't know. But it's not the case on Android.

Does it matter all Qualcomm devices are backdoored any way

>>51512625
Your mom is backdoored.

>>51508922
What this makes actual sense besides is you really care so much about privacy then why do you have gapps installed. You are not entitled to keep your phone stock. your not entitled to not go to setting security and uncheck android device manager. You can encrypt your phone you can even set up an auto wipe feature if you wanted. This feature is necessary to catch criminals

>open source is safe
>you can't hide backdoors in open source
>a company that makes 66 billion USD revenue by offering free services isn't spying on you
Androidfags btfo

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>>51510041
>don't have anything to hide

>>51512438
What lockscreen? All I have to do is make sure i turn my device off before anyone takes physical possession of my phone. When they turn it on it will be hard locked, it doesn't even boot up android without a password.

Why do you care? Do you have something to hide?

>>51513116
This motherfucker right here

>>51513136
lol

>>51513136
Pretty sure the NSA doesn't care that you're fucking your mom ;)

>>51509004
>They have backdoors
I thought they were a bacdoor

>>51509021
>26% of a phones userbase actually uses encryption on anything
lol.. no.

>>51509470
hurrr muh thin fone guys, its sooo much thinner than last years model!

OMG GUISE IT BEND WHAT DO

>>51512916
http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-arrest-of-silk-road-mastermind-ross-ulbricht-2015-1
Ctrl f "On the afternoon of Oct. 1, 2013,"

>>51508922
And this is why i'll be moving onto apple soon

>>51513867
Yeah that's a bit different from a phone though, I dont leave my phone sitting on a table, it is in my hands or in my pocket. If I think I am going to be detained it takes 2-3 seconds to turn off my phone. Or if I am feeling super paranoid I can use an emergency power off app which just runs a reboot -p command and instantly turns off the device hard locking it.

>>51509080
Like search for sources, someone else surely pulled legit sources out of the ass like I am.

>>51508946
thats good quality

>>51508946
Nice meme

>>51509117
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/11/22/0048205/blackberry-offers-lawful-device-interception-capabilities