/hpg/ - Headphones General

>>51503855
Hmm, where's that microphone guide anyway?

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Found a pic related sony s-master digital amp for a HT system in the trash, and it seems to be working fine. How much of a retared idea would it be to use it daily to drive some headphones?

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>>51503855
Yeah im definitely getting a pair of those hot MSR7 cans. They just seem so good all-round.

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nth for reddit headphones

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>>51503971
The DT250 are just right around the corner too, but the 250 ohm version might need an amp.
>inb4 dt250>msr7
They're both great. But the MSR is more efficient and ready for any portable DAPs.

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> inb4 low-fi coloured shit, go fuck yourself redditor, muh fidelity HD 600

What are some decent headphones with V-Shaped sound and decent vocals in the $100-$200 range?
I have an amp and I don't really want the Fidelio X2, a little too expensive.

>>51503893
You mean this mic guide?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JmUFMUDMP1iSx_9EqeO__dn9r0XM2tT2PKu4rCyu2Us/pubhtml?gid=0&single=true

>>51504115
You were that teacher from Italy, right?

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/g/ My headphones finally broke
(I dropped them too hard & sound in one side stopped, they also cracked)
I don't have much money right now, things are tight as I had to spend most of my money on more important things
.
I'm not an audiophile, I simply want a durable good pair for casual listening.
I plan to order a new pair from Amazon or Newegg (unless a better place exists).

I understand the OP contains lists, but I have a specific requirement.

I want a pair that I can unplug the cord from & they work in a wireless fashion
(until the charge runs down, at which time they must be plugged back in)
(plugged in or not, they function normally)

I only have around 100 dollars to spend (I know, I know)

Can you please recommend a pair to purchase, if possible.
Thank you very much & I'm sorry for any inconvenience this post may cause.

>>51504279
dt770, though the treble will be higher than the X2, since it has an outright v-shaped sig. it's also closed so you don't get that open sound. personally though I enjoy the v6 more, I think the bass is better, and there is no hint of the kind of bloat you get with most bassy headphones, including the x2 to a degree, it's also highly detailed. It does need some eq and new pads though.

>>51504279
try HD 7, I've seen in it massdrop for $170

>>51504279
>I have an amp and I don't really want the Fidelio X2, a little too expensive.
You can sell the amp and add the extra money to the budget, so you can buy an X2. Trust me, it's worthy.

>>51504326
How did you eq the v6? Can you share it here?

>>51504292
Yup. Are you tracking me?

>>51504023
>>51504115
Sorry if I burst your bubble.

What made you decide to buy these headphones in the first place?
>Try & compare
>Someone's suggestion
>measurements research
>flavor of the month
Just want to know why you got them.
>>51504279
K550/DT770 I don't understand why the K550 used to be neutral, but now its v-shaped.
>>51504292
>You mean this mic guide?
Ah yes, that one. Next time if somebody else post a new thread for the general. Please include this guide.

>>51504115
>shilling the x2
Quousque tandem abutere, Catilina, patientia nostra?

>>51504337
It's the really a matter of preference, because despite what people say the v6 is not a neutral headphone, it's quite sibilant but with can sound great, better than anything else (closed) in the price range. the key problem is reducing the sibilance and elevated highs. start working between 2-5k, lowering at 1k intervals and listening with stuff you know until you're satisfied. I have about 2.5k reduced by 2.5db, then 4k by 4db, then 5-8k by ~3db. the second thing is the lower mids are somewhat recessed which is partly a god thing since it reduces boom/bloat but I still boost 250-500 by about 2db. bass I leave pretty much flat, it's more than powerful enough already. I boost sub-bass around 30hz by 2.5db.
the result is a mildly dark, bassy sound the retains the mild-upper mids emphasis that is key to the "v6 sound". I mostly listen to metal and electronic but it's good for any kind of music.

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>>51504318
To add on to this, I have filled out the request template mentioned in the OP

Budget: ~100$ (flexible)
Location: The US
Source: USB port on PC
Preferred type of headphone: Full sized
Open or closed: Closed
Comfort level: Not that important
Preferred tonal balance: Don't care
Preferred music: Don't care
Past headphones: Skipped

Again, thank you for the help /g/

>>51504417
>cd900st
I decide to buy it by someone's suggestion as v6 are overpriced in my place and the price difference between both of them aren't that high in my country.
>x2
flavor of the month as I can get it under $200.

>>51504457
The problem when EQing is, I always not satisfied with that when I'm do that myself. I just can't find the right EQ for all songs that I listen to.

>>51504332
They are 290 euros. I definitely can't go that high.
>>51504326
I hate closed headphones I can't imagine having to use them for 7-8 hours a day.
>>51504327
I probably should've mentioned in the original post I can't do closed.

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>>51504480
>Preferred music: Don't care

>>51504521
Well not that guy but it's literally irrelevant information for headphone purchase.

>>51504480
since you don't care about anything buy two frozen turds for $50 each and connect them with a copper wire

the shit should really form a nice seal with your ears after thawing out and get that closed sound youre looking for

>>51504541
Right so you would recommend V-Shaped sounding cans to someone who only listens to classical music?

>>51504318
Since you seem such a nice guy I would answer you but I know very little about wireless headphones so sorry.. The only ones I can think of are the parrot zik but they cost quite a bit

>>51504509
>open
>can't afford x2
>wants bass (assumption from v-shaped preference)
get the k7xx then. personally though I think the X2 is worth holding out for $50 more for, but the k7xx is great, one of the best AKG headphones.

>>51504421
>Usque tandem Catilina
>Culo pulivit cum carta velina
>Carta velina perforavit
>Dito in culum Catilina penetravit
...ah! The high school!

>>51504318
Could just fix it by just shouldering the wire from the broken side.
>>51504480
>Comfort level: Not that important
>Preferred tonal balance: Don't care
>Preferred music: Don't care
>Past headphones: Skipped
This type of information is important, I do care and don't skip it.

>>51504509
I can't think any open headphone in that price range that have good bass. You can try superlux hd668b I guess for cheaper alternative.

>>51504341
Tracking? Nothing like that. Someone made a fuss over your template, and you started talking about your occupation at the same time. Then you post that image again, and again, and again.

>>51504417
>I don't understand why the K550 used to be neutral, but now its v-shaped.
It was always pretty V-shaped. But the seal problem it has might lead you to believe otherwise.

>>51504480
NVX XPT100?

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>>51504502
well I can't really talk since I have like 20 presets for the v6, but I don't switch between them usually, I think of it more like a progression. whatever is the latest is what I use, but sometimes I will just dedicate an half hour or so to listen to some music and play with the eq using one of my favorite headphones. btw cd900st is not worth buying over the v6/7506 unless you're very much dedicated to japanese female vocals and/or anime music.

>>51504417
Why I chose the X2
1) I read and watched many reviews and 9 out of 10 were absolutely positive
2) I didn't want to buy an amp
3) I wanted a V-shaped open headphone which could be suitable to my music tastes (synth pop, rock, electronic...)

>>51504604
Ok

>>51504421
Vale

>>51504592
Im sorry I just assumed the pool of headphones which met my criteria & budget would be small enough that further shrinking my potential selections with things such as comfort level would would just result in zero potential candidates.

As long as they can charge, work wirelessly, and cover my ears entirely with large muffs, that will be great. I want to block outside noise as much as possible, I work best that way.

I listen to all types of music, I don't really have a preferred type.
As far as tonal balance goes, I'm sorry I just don't know anon.

>>51504597
>>51504509
668b is very good for the price but:
-comfort is pretty poor, though tolerable.
-even though bass is elevated and good, it does not have the kind of impact and punch that something like the v6 or x2 have, the highs are also quite elevated and need reduction with eq.

another alternative for a bassy open headphone is the 681evo, but the problem there is it really is the basshead open headphone. bass is very powerful and quite boomy, mids and highs are good and detailed but the highs in particular are recessed and overly smoothed. this can be fixed by removing the felt pads over the driver though.

>>51504604
>NVX XPT100?
These do not work wirelessly?
As in, plug them into a usb port, then plug the other end into the headphones, they charge, then can be unplugged & play music without any cord attached?
My last two pairs have been this way & it lets me walk around my room to my other computer systems while still listening to music. It is important to me.

>>51504630
If the price difference is $50 or above. I'll agree. But while it under that, I think its debatable because treble in cd900st are smoother and the midrange in cd900st are more empashized, which it goes to people preferences.

How much Q did you use to EQ it? Or you didn't use parameter EQ for that?

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>>51504604
>It was always pretty V-shaped.
Well then, after a year of experience with them. They just have some bass and treble spikes but adaptable. I've tried equalizing them, just get that flatness. They still sound great with classical music, before and after.
>But the seal problem it has might lead you to believe otherwise.
Pic related. I never had a sealing problem with them anyways, so I could wear them for like nearly 5-9hrs.
>just small head things

>>51504584
Kekekek

>>51504651
Vale

as someone who is a noob and doesn't know a lot about this stuff, but was using the Fischer Audio DBA-02 before

will I be happy enough with shure SE215 in ears

I'm thinking about buying either shure SE215 or RHA T20i, but I'm not sure if it's worth spending ~200€ on the rha when the shure costs half the price

>>51504772
Etymotic HF5

>>51504772
If you still confused, try MA750i for improved version of SE215. SE215 have earlier treble roll off.

>>51504502
>I just can't find the right EQ for all songs that I listen to.
You can't. The first problem is the speakers and environment that they use to listen with are all different. There is a definite trend to a certain response, but that is only the average, not any one production.
Then there is the difference in style that adds another variable. But they do this for effect, mostly.

>>51504752
I didn't understand the issue of seal until I put a little effort into breaking it, and the bass vanished. My head might also be a bit large, how many ticks did you set yours to?
Rubber bands aren't the most elegant solution, but whatever works.

>>51504772
The Shure weighs less too. The RHA and SE215 have some similarities in sound, try it, buy it, and return it, if you don't like it.

>>51504561
No. I would recommend them something neutral like for all listening.

Is the HE400i worth getting?

>>51504926
For how much?

>>51504824
>how many ticks did you set to?
For some weirdass reason: none

Yeah, the K550 seems to have some difference changes between head size. When I ask my friends to try them out they would also say mixed results.

>>51504933
They are $300.

>>51504937
Lol

>>51505013
Thank you.

>>51504937
been thinking about them myself since $300 is the lowest they've ever been. that's the standard price for the next down the line, the 400s. I bought my X2 not long ago though so I can't really justify that much expense.

hf5 on a 30$ discount on massdrop

>>51505142
99 dollars? What a deal! I just have to add 9 dollars for the shipping, and then pay the VAT, so I'll wait a month to have something I can buy on amazon for less and have sooner.
I wish Massdrop wasn't USA-only

>>51504937
For that price yes.

Hi /g/, looking for an amp and dac to ship to the uk. Magni, Modi 2 is on my thoughts, but the shipping is expensive and they don't include custom fees. Any suggestions?

sennhiesser hd 280
hd 380

>>51505325
akg k242 hd

X2 > AKG K702 >>>>>> HD 600 >>> everything labeled as Beyer or Hifiman

>>51504937
Get the 400s

>>51505461
>being this deluded

>>51505619
>>51505619
yea id say
X2 = AKG K702 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HD 600 >>> everything labeled as Beyer or Hifiman

>>51505311
Either the dacport slim from massdrop or the o2/odac

>>51505461
HD 600 > K612 > DT880 > X2

>>51505603
It's worse senpai.

>>51505731
>612
>not 702
>no removable cable
"noice"

>>51505731
>snapheisers

>>51505731
LOL

>>51505770
It has better fidelity at lower price. Fuck the cable desu.

>>51505777
Tops the rest of those for sure.

>>51505795
Having a good time?

>>51505820
>"""""no"""""

Any gud wireless Headphones under 100€? I listen to alot of electronic music btw.

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>>51505936
Yes.

>>51506110
No.

>>51506110
>wireless
>good
no

>>51506127
>>51506132
Well fuck, not even half decent? I really need a wirless headphone though.

>>51506110
Buy some shit wireless headphone and get over it. If you insist, sony xb950bt

>>51506155
thanks family

>>51506171
>>51506143
Sennheiser has the only good wireless headphones on the market and even they are kinda average. They also cost a lot more than 100 and are for home use only as they have the proprietary transmitter/docking thing. RS185 is the best out of those iirc.

>>51506143
Meelec Air-Fi Matrix 2. Just okay, and not pricey.

>>51506127
>"""fidelity"""

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hello

Didn't see Audio-Technica ATH-M50x specifically mentioned in the pastebin, are they any good?

>>51506246
What about it? Comfort and fidelity are pretty much the most important things to look for.

>>51506307
They're good, but not at current pricing.

>>51506307
They are OK but the cheaper M40X is better. M50X is bassy and too pricey for the performance.

>>51506369
Thank you. I'll go with the 40s, then.

>>51506307
M50x's are fine, highly regarded, and a great headphone given the price.

>>51505213
heh i straight up cant buy from amazon

Between the Sony MDR-7506 and the M40X, which would you prefer?

>>51506298
hello
i got them
very bueno

>>51506545
HE1000

>>51506597
Why do those headphones look like they were designed by the Fallout devs.

New Fostex/Massdrop release: the TH-X00

>http://www.head-fi.org/t/788776/fostex-x-massdrop-th-x00-review
>https://www.massdrop.com/buy/fostex-x-massdrop-th-x00/

Where is the speaker thread?

>>51506697
Hit the post limit, probably. Wait for the new one.

>>51506697
Here? >>51491649

>>51506697
>>51506734
Nah it's right here. >>>51491649

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>>51506682
Picture

>>51506777
Most likely bassy trash.

>>51506635
Lol, yeah they do kind of

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Well my Shure SE215's finally broke from accidental abuse.

Worth upgrading to Shure SE425? The 215's were never really good and had too much bass but I wore them for over a year.

Can anyone explain to me why RE-400 have different graph between measured and perceived frequency response?

>>51506986
Because there's a difference between measured and perceived frequency response.

>>51506932
>Worth upgrading to Shure SE425?
Even if you don't like the bass on se215, 425 can still be considered a downgrade.

>>51506986
First, Goldenears is stupid. So is Seeko, come to think of it.
Second, the "measured" data is raw data taken from an ear canal simulator. The ear canal, simulated or real ear, naturally amplifies certain frequencies, and has certain acoustic interaction with the ear phone. You don't hear the raw, your brain filters it out. You can hear the interaction between the canal and the earphone, which is why you use a ear simulator. The "perceived" graph is meant to reflect what Goldenears thinks is a good correction.

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hey guys rate my purchase

>>51506932
I'm interested in buying a pair: how good they are for listening to rock and metal?

>>51507066
Really, I remember reading good things about them while shopping for my SE215's. You saved me some money.

Is there anything worthwhile in Shure's SE line that you know of? I like how they're designed, makes them easy to wear while working.

>>51507066
So which measuring site that have a good catalog of measured headphone and IEMs?

That difference in re-400 is too much.
While perceived shows the treble is recessed(or roll off, I can't read graph very well). The measured ones shows the treble is elevated, did brain filter making that much difference.

>>51507100
They're great, they just can't reach the highs very well. For rock and metal they'd do just fine.

They would have lasted a lot longer for me if I didn't keep dropping my mp3 player while they were connected.

>>51506545
the sony, but the m40x is the more balanced headphone, closer to neutral. the v6/7506 is something special though, everyone should try it at least. but if you want something more "practical" that you can be sure you'll like, get the m40x.

>>51507094
まぶし!

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>>51504604
yeah man look at that extreme v-shape the k55x series has, it's horrible!

>>51507148
I heard a bunch of audiophiles complaining that it was so absolutely neutral that it was boring. Were they just being fags?

>>51507375
They were complaining the harsh in v6 and conclude it for neutrality and boring because the bass isn't fun.

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>>51507130
>So which measuring site that have a good catalog of measured headphone and IEMs?
The frequency response measurements aren't too bad, Goldenears does a little more to adjust the graphs than Seeko. Goldenears uses the same measurement gear as Seeko, and some of the adjustments Goldenears does are questionable.
The obvious problem is their other measurements besides FR are bad.

>brain filter making that much difference.
It's pretty huge, about 15 dB amplification near 3kHz, compared to 100Hz. Your outer ear and ear canals are designed to amplify certain frequencies immensely to help you hear where sounds come from, your brain filters out the amplification and difference between the two ears out to create sound source direction.

This graph shows shows several loudspeakers being measured at the eardrum equivalent.
If you measured them with a normal mic in open space, they are much closer to flat. If you listen to them, they don't sound ridiculously far off from perfectly neutral. The graphs do not seem to disprove the listening.
But when we see the actual response inside the ear, there is a huge difference.

>>51507375
yes. the m40x is very detailed and for lack of a better term more "dynamic" than some similarly balanced headphones which do sound dull, like the lower-end sennheisers. it responds to eq well, and the bass is not light, it's tight and punchy but with only a hint of elevation. if you're used to more colored headphones it can be a little "too even", so if you're looking for a specific kind of coloration give them a skip. but if you're just looking for something that does everything well and sounds good with any kind of music go for it.

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>Buy headphones for 480$
>They're now being sold for 299$

Thanks based hifiman for making me want to die

>>51507493
You spent 500 dollars on headphones. You made a mistake the second you threw down your credit card.

>>51507445
So can this experiment explain why there's dips near 3Khz in nearly all measurement in Golden ears? No matter what headphones are measured, I keep seeing dips in that area.

>>51507375
It struck me how a neutral sound signature is highly appreciated and researched, but at the same time is also considered boring.

It seems to me that the neutral meme is kind of a rational element to seek, because of an aprioristic ideal pushed by the conscious mind, but when it encounters the irrational subconscious taste each one has, it's always addressed with derogatory terms like "boring" and similar, especially when compared to other sound signatures that differ, even noticeably, by the ideally flat response curve.

It's an interesting contradiction, I think.

>>51507556
From an objective standpoint, neutrality should be a high priority, since you can always mess with the balance on the equalizer/software side if you want a brighter sound, more bass, etc.

>>51507556
Because preferences are different to each other, but neutral is one thing.

>>51507518
How much should you spend?

>>51507556
>>51507582
>>51507589
>>51507481
Can't you make every headphones "neutral" with equalizers?

What's the point of so many different headphones anyway?

>>51507660
at least 4k

>>51507660
You reach a point of diminishing returns around 300, and you can get wonderful headphones for much less than that.

>>51507582
by that logic every headphone (or most), once EQ'd, sounds identical. in my experience there are audible qualities of headphones, in some more apparent than others, that you cant point to on an fr measurement. with EQ you can lessen or raise how apparent those qualities are, and you can even change the signature in a general way. but you can't make a headphone like the ad700 have the same bass as say a dt770.

>>51507673
Trying to find true neutral and then further modifying it to suit your tastes is unnecessary work. Having hardware that's "zeroed" just makes life easier.

>>51507701
Doesn't seem worth all the time effort and money, why not just equalize it and keep it that way?

>>51507673
No anon, audio is more complicated than messing with sliders

>>51507743
How so?

>>51507673
>Can't you make every headphones "neutral" with equalizers?
No. Headphones respond differently to EQ, and if you can tone down peaks, compensating for heavy roll off can be not as easy, or even outright impossible.

>What's the point of so many different headphones anyway?
Build quality, fit, style, weight, portability, customizability, price, and so on. Moreover different headphones will sound differently, and someone might like or dislike the sound signature.

>>51507525
That was an experiment to show something else, the actual experiments based on the idea of brain filtering were performed many decades ago.
>why there's dips near 3Khz in nearly all measurement in Golden ears
That would explain the problem with IEMs, the resonant frequency of the canal is being shifted around and altered because you put something relatively large inside it. Then the IEM has to have the 3kHz resonance built into it to compensate. I suspect that they are trying to also make them not sound like earbuds, which often have big peaks around 2kHz, even after correction.
Less applicable so much with headphones, as your canal is still there and the headphone is well outside it. It does interact with the folds of the earlobes and such, but that is the outer ear.

>>51507518
I thought of getting the HD600 but I liked the HE400i more, plus they have bass you can feel.

>>51507771
>Moreover different headphones will sound differently, and someone might like or dislike the sound signature.
If you use an equalizer the difference between different headphones will be entirely different

You can make bass heavy headphones lose all the bass..

>>51507375
>it was so absolutely neutral that it was boring
There's so much wrong with this statement and I keep hearing it here too. You aren't listening to your fucking headphones, you are listening to the music. If your headphones color the sound and add something to the music, you aren't hearing the music fully anymore. You are listening to your gear.

>>51507130
Goldenears' target is actually very nice but I dislike their overly done smoothing of the graphs. In order for headphones to sound like neutral speakers in a room. they need a very considerable rise(about 15dB on average) in the frequency response slowly rising up from about 500Hz to 3-4KHz. The perceived frequency response listed on the Goldenears site is the raw data compensated on Diffuse Field EQ curve + X-curve and it's quite good at portraying the neutrality on average human ear. Read up on Diffuse Field EQ and the other target curvers for headphones available. Yes, in a way your brains really do "filter out" the massive rise.

>>51507673
No but you can get better fidelity out of almost any headphone by smart use of EQ. Headphones can't by nature achieve true neutrality without EQ anyways so you should learn how to do it and do it.

The microphone guide has been updated a little.

>>51507770
Differences in driver construction causing them to vibrate differently, differences in cabinet construction causing resonance, etc

>>51507800
>You can make bass heavy headphones lose all the bass..
well that's one of the best usage scenarios, try doing to opposite and the results are usually poor.

>>51507816
What is fidelity?

What EQ do you use?

>>51503855
Why does it say he400i have poor build quality? I don't notice anything bad

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>about to buy Philips SHP9500
>they bump up the price by 10 euro today
FUUUUUCK

>>51507874
Accuracy of reproduction.

Equalizer APO with the Peace GUI. A very high quality and low latencty parametric equalizer for Windows.

>>51507906
in germany they are twice the price now, 10 euro is nothing.

>>51507863
Which is exactly what I said in the paragraph above the one he quoted.

>>51507913
i wanted to order them from germany

>>51507771
>Headphones respond differently to EQ
Besides strong phase cancellation, not really. Correcting for rolloff is more about physical limits (thermal limits/power compression, excursion limits) than anything else.
That doesn't mean timbral differences still don't exist, but FR is easy.

>>51507874
Correlation of the reproduction of the signal to the original, how identical it is.
In audio, it may be better to ignore fidelity and instead state how similar it seems to be.

>>51507940
they were 60€ in the last months.

>>51507980
what? how? is there gonna be a sale on amazon by any chance?

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>>51507906
rip

>>51508001
No, 60€ was the normal price. The price went up because they got discontinued.

>>51507776
Dunno, while is less applicable. I keep seeing that dips around 3Khz in headphones, more so in asia manufactured headphone so much as Sony, Hifiman, Audio Technica and Hifiman.

>>51507816
How to read diffuse field EQ? I'm still confused how to decide if the bass/treble are rolled off now.

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>>51508001

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>>51508034
>>51508019
life is suffering

>>51507954
>Besides strong phase cancellation, not really.
I'm interested in the subject: could you please explain this further?

Are these headphone worth it? https://www.massdrop.com/buy/akg-m220-semi-open-studio-headphones got some cash burning a hole in my wallet and im liking the look of em.

>>51507909
Do you have any presets for it or is it all just learning for yourself? Which headphones do you use?

>>51508077
what are those humongous faggots doing what the fucking shit

>>51508371
swedes being swedes

>>51507816
> colour = low fidelity = gear listening
The usual argument of "pure sound" enthusiasts is progressively getting more boring than the neutral headphones they shill on these threads everyday.

>>51508019
no they once were 140€
then some sale happened and I got them for 60€

>>51508077

What are some headphones with really good build quality

>>51508440
HD 600. Their build quality is enhanced by their high fidelity.

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>>51508440
Sennheiser Surround are pretty solid desu senpai

>>51508440

Fidelio X2
Sony MDR-Z7

Is there a point in owning multiple pairs of headphones?

Do you?

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>>51508484
>>51508478

Is USB connector better or worse than regular 3.5mm or 6.3mm jacks ?
I'd guess it's worse, but by how much and why ?

>>51508549
Owning an open and closed pair might be useful, open for in-home use and closed for mobile.

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>>51508023
>How to read diffuse field EQ? I'm still confused how to decide if the bass/treble are rolled off now.
Well the diffuse field EQ does not touch on bass frequencies at all and only can give you an averaged target for treble up to about 10kHz. Individual differences due to resonances of outer ear and ear canal can cause different sounding response from the same headphones from 6kHz and up and the measurement rigs can only measure somewhat accurately up to 13-14kHz. Past that point you have no valid data available, you have to use your ears. I'd argue that in music listening a response past that point gets rather trivial.

The X-curve added to the diffuse field on Goldenears assumes that headphones should have a steady rise in the bass frequencies from 200Hz and lower due to two factors; equal loudness contour and the inability of heaphones to repdroduce bass which you can feel like speakers do(rumble) leaving them often feeling bass light. The X-curve makes headphones which measure dead flat in raw response look like they have roll off.

Pic related is the newest and most accurate averaged DF target curve. Headphones should measure closely to that curve in raw response in order for them to sound neutral to the ear. If they fail to have a rise that steep or just simply roll off entirely before the target curve does/never reach that high of an amplitued, it'll show as rolled off response in a DF equalized graph. You need to be more specific if you want to learn details or just Google it up. I can explain something here though. Here are raw responses of two headphones which are very close to the DF target

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=-2&graphID[]=573&graphID[]=1513&scale=30

>>51508564
by a ton and usb uses it's own shitty soundcard so it get converted to digital and then gets processed by your usb shit device

don't

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>>51508588
cont, the raw responses not behind a link this time

>>51508364
I have a preset for my Sennheiser HD 800s which I've shared here. But it's really just for that headphone and an EQ based on my ears using sine tones. You should get Sinegen and listen through the frequency response with the sine tones. You notice a notch, you EQ it up using a filter of adequate Q value. You notice a peak, you EQ it up using the same technique. It's the only way you can really get your headphones to be accurate on your ears. It'll take some time to do the EQ but even a little bit helps. The sharp resonances headphones tend to have in the high frequencies are really problematic. Accurately nullying those is time consuming.

>>51508577
But besides that?

>>51508604
What sort of line are you trying to achieve?

>>51508610
Different sound signatures for different kinds of music, I suppose.

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>>51508023
Perhaps it is part of their style. Many Sonys will even overdo the 3kHz peak and some other Asian IEMs, so it is not quite universal among Asian companies.

Basically, if you think they have the right idea subjectively with the corrected response, use it. Or make mental adjustments to the graph based on what you ideal headphone graphs like. EQ will help you here, to a limited degree.

Diffuse field EQ is considered to be a representation of a flat perceived target for headphones.
You can read some of the arguments for a DF target here.
>https://www.neumann.com/download.php?download=docu0009.PDF

Chart showing response for a diffuse field response measured in people, using various measurement methods.

I could upload a ton of other crap, but I wouldn't know where to upload it to.

>>51508709
What sort of stuff can't be EQ'd out?

>>51508194
Phase cancellation refers to the phase interference, specifically a strong amount of destructive interference.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interference_%28wave_propagation%29

Sound waves propagate with amplitude, the amount of instantaneous pressure delta, and phase, which can refer to the progression of the wave in a cycle. Acoustics cause a wave to be reflected off of something, the wave a little delayed. The delay means a certain amount of phase shift at a range of frequencies. The phase shifted signal is mixed into the main signal, adding or subtracting to it. If the wave is out of phase at the same frequency, it will cancel the pressure at the location.

An out of phase signal is what active noise cancellation operates on.
-A mic captures the outside noise
-Digital processor reverses polarity of the signal so that it is out of phase
-Out of phase signal is played back over a small speaker unit
-The amount that the signal is out of phase determines the magnitude of the active cancellation.

The outer ear does a little phase cancellation in determining direction. This cancellation is dependent on the angle that the sound hits the ear, and is commonly known as the pinna notch. This isn't quite a perfect cancellation though
Some headphones have some perfect cancellation going on for them at a certain frequency. A perfect cancellation is absolutely unfixable without taking it apart and modifying the acoustics. Audeze EL-8 open is an example. So is the Sennheiser Momentum.

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DT770 PRO

32 ohm vs 80 ohm vs 250 ohm and why

>>51508653
Not sure I understand what you mean but I assume you are talking about the frequency response graph. I'm not trying to achieve any line or specific curve. I'm trying to achieve equal loudness across the frequency response by listening to a sine sweep tone to going up and down from 20Hz to 20kHz. The end result once done with care ends up really close to a DF curve however, even if that's not the idea itself.

>>51508848
Why beyerdynamic?

>>51508927
))))

>>51508848
250 why not

>>51508848
AKG K702

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Anyone know anything about these?

>>51508973
Is the K702 better than K701/Q701?

>>51508982
> removable cable
Ask Zeos

>>51508992
Don't know.

>bought a pair of Sennheiser Game Zeros after using some wireless Sound Blaster headset that came with software to edit sound
>still not used to the lack of bass
>don't feel like buying Razer Surround
Fug, at least the microphone is really good on these things.
Thank you for reading my blog.

>>51508973
>open
>literally no bass
no

>>51509094
if they have really abysmal bass, it might be due to the lack of power, they dont have the highest sensitivity.

On a side note, sennheiser communications products are cheaply made compared to true sennheiser stuff.

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>>51508982
>external speakers on a closed headphone

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>>51509122
> cheaply made compared to true sennheiser stuff.
> implying true sennheiser stuff is well made

>>51508982
retard af

>>51508848
Custom Pro One

>>51508982
>pros: easy to find a gay lover
>cons: isis will shoot you first, narrow soundstage

>>51509161
It isn't, but that doesn't fault my statement. It just makes Sennheiser communications shit.

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>>51508604
>>51508715
So this is the Diffuse Field graph, right?(Don't mind the hour, I'm just reading some interesting article about burn in). So with this graph I can take conclusion that the treble is elevated isn't it?

While I found this to be interesting. I can't be arsed to read many journal about sound engineering as I need to read my journal studies.

>>51509122
>The two transducers in the GAME ZERO have been developed at our labs in Germany. They are optimized to provide an extremely accurate reproduction of the gaming audio, no matter what type of game you play. Every single unit is mechanically and acoustically tested.
I do have a Mayflower 02, so it's most likely that they just weren't made with music in mind (but then again, I know nothing about this stuff).

What open headphone would you recommend for gaming? I was thinking about the Stax SR-009, but I don't know whether it has sufficient soundstage. I want to use them to play MegaMan and Ghosts 'n' Goblins, where surrounding sounds are crucial for a better experience. Thank you!

>>51509103
Then get a X2

>>51509202
Change linens hans

>>51509207
That is raw data. It looks like it was taken from someone's eardrum, or at least a simulated one.
Treble probably still elevated.

HE-400i's came in today. Very comfy and sound great. Glad I sprung for them. Don't feel a need to eq them.

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new massdrop collabo is Fostex TH-X00

>>51509733
Great. Aren't your bored yet?

>>51509789
Nah, give it a few more hours, then I'll be buying some HD800 :^)

>>51509844
They won't solve your boredom problem though

>>51509881
Nothing ever will anon. I'll just live with these.

>>51509903
X2 will.

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>>51503855
Looking for some >30 € headphones to gift my grandpa for christmas.
Comfort > Sound Quality for him.
Ty

>>51509542
X2 doesn't have bass, it has bloasted midbass that sounds like mud with zero sub-bass.
Like grados.

>>51510126
Takstar HI2050
Can't think of something cheaper that's worth buying.

>>51510126
>>51510214
forgot to mention, they need to be closed.
>66€
>more than 2x the budget

>>51510150
You're just spouting memes.

>Budget: >£70
>Location: UK
>Source: PC
>Preferred type of headphone: Full sized
>Open or closed: Don't mind
>Comfort level: Maximum
>Preferred tonal balance:
>Preferred music: Acoustic/rock
>Past headphones: gamecom 780

currently looking at :
BRAINWAVZ HM5
Takstar HI 2050
Audio-Technica ATH-M40X

Help?

>>51510238
Samson SR950 if you can get your hands on them. There isn't really anything cheaper that's still good.

>>51510307
Feel free to prove him otherwise and show the X2 not having a huge subbass rolloff following the boomy elevated midbass

>>51510314
how would u compera samson SR950 vs takstar pro 80 vs takstar hd 6000

/g/'s opinion on Sennheiser's HD 449s?

Was considering the 558s but realised they've got a full on 6.3mm jack and really just want them for my laptop/phone.

Also they're 45% off on Amazon (down to £50), at the moment so may pick them up because looks like they're being superseded so probably won't be any cheaper for black friday http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sennheiser-Ergonomic-Closed-Back-Headphones-Incredible/dp/B005N8W214/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1448397818&sr=1-1&keywords=449

Music tastes:
EDM, deep house, indie, R&B

>>51510346
The Samson is basically a closed Superlux HD668b or HD681 (not entirely sure which) with better pads. Those are known for their sharp highs.
The Pro 80s are better built and sound better but you'll probably have to pay a bit more for them.
Don't know much about the HD6000 so I can't compare those.
If the price is the same, Pro 80 all the way.

>>51510387
both pro80 and hd6000 are around 30euros more expense, 40~ samson vs 70 for takstar, im so fucking tired of searching for headphone, i just want to finaly by one that doesnt suck, comfy + good iso. Using some crappy senheiser HD 35 TV on-ears right now.

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How does the Philips SHL3200 (40$) compare to the m40x or HM5 (100/120$)?
I want some bassy closed headphones and I've read that the latter two are quite neutral.
Do the specs (pic related) matter anything at all?

>>51510432
Grab the takstars if you can spend the money, I'd say. Or maybe look for the Kingston HyperX Cloud/QPad QH-90 and see if you can find those for cheaper. I happened to find the open-back version of those (QPad QH-85) for €40.
Those headsets are literally Takstar headphones with a microphone jack built into the left cup.

>>51510314
hmm they are 50 € here.
Still a little too much.
Maybe some Superlux closed ones? hd 662?
Again, comfort > sound for my grandpa

>>51510504
Superlux stock pleather pads are kinda shit so you'd have to buy better pads for maximum comfort, bumping the price up.

>>51510438
i was considering Philips SHL3300BK (as far as understand both SHL3300 and SHL3200 are basically same), but its seems to be on-ears instead of over-ears?

>>51510311

Bump, seriously help please.

>>51510552
Yeah they're on-ear, but right now i'm using Philips NL9206ad4 (seems almost to be the same model, around the same price, on-ear, they should have a similar sound too) and they're quite comfortable to wear, even though i can't compare with anything expensive because this is the first pair of decent headphone i've ever bought.

On a side note: are headphone singular? Headphones? Pair of headphone/s?

>>51508371

Ask >>>/pol/

Also, where have you been?

>>51510150
Now that you pointed that out, it does kinda seem like tamed Grado response. Boomy shit with sibilance up top.

>>51510438
>>51510311

Interested in these ones too

>>51510600
>>51510311
Takstar Hi 2050

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>>51510736
>it does kinda seem like tamed Grado response
They even look the same lmao

>>51510756
Why? Is it bassy?

80ohm or 250ohm dt770? The 250ohm costs $25CAD more.

>>51504318
Jabra Revo wireless
Bose soundlink on Ear (pricier)
Philips shb series (9100, 9250 etc.)

>>51510775
Pretty balanced, not bassy. It fits your description. It's a cheap and comfy headphone with pretty nice fidelity for the price.

>>51510777
80 ohm, literally no reason to buy the 250

DT880 Edition as an alternative to K612 or something entirely different?

>>51510504
>hd 662?
In my experience the Superlux HD 662s clamp even harder on your head than the 681s.

And their AKG-ish headband thing is so short the cups could barely reach my ears. At that point the pleather band was constantly touching the two metal rods, making the cups resonate with loud bass guitar-like noises.

>>51510815
I was >>51510438, I was hijacking his post because i'm searching for some ~80-100$ closed bassy headphones, everyone is suggesting m40x and hm5 but they're neutral too

>>51504115
>im going to post my dating profile but please dont say anything

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Should I get a senheinser HD 202 or an HD 201
I just want something that lasts more than a year around that price.

>>51503855
where should i plug in my headphones in the rear io panel? line out / side / rear / c-sub ?
Sorry for autism

>>51511164
line out

>>51511094
Huh? Did you really take my words seriously?

>>51510891
What?

Spent $240 on a HD600 earlier today. Comes later this week, I'm excited.

>>51511366
Looking for an alternative to a AKG K612 pro. Prices up to 230€ or so are ok. Needs to be comfy, not too much bass (but enough for electronic music).

>>51511445
Enjoy your hi-fi boredom

>>51511445
Damn good price.

>>51511466
Where does the K612 fail you? DT880 has better bass extension but will sound overall brighter because of the treble peak.

>>51511466
Bass levels on both are perceived as the same.

I remembered you from last thread, you want a tad more bass but not a lot more like Fidelio X2.

It's really tough to find such a headphone, I'd EQ the K612 or hunt for a HD650.

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>>51511488
yeah coloration is fun rite

>>51511445
Wow, really good price. You'll enjoy them anon!

>>51511530
at least that channel matching blows hd600 out of the water lmao

>>51511503
>>51511504
I would keep my K612, but the pressure from the earpads is too strong (above the ear and the jawbone, not the ears themselves), I can't wear it longer than about 1 hour. It's a bit boring for listening to electronic music as well, I could live with that, but I wouldn't fight against a bit more bass.

>>51511577
Try ATH-R70x.

>>51511577
Odd thing to complain about those. DT880 Premium has modest clamp and you can bend the headband for even less clamp if you find that to be the issue. If you spend time equalizing down the treble spike and up the upper mids you'll get a nice response where the deeper bass extension could be audible compared to the K612.

>>51511597
Boomy shit way out of anon's budget.

Just bought 80 Ohm headphones. Is amp a must? Im ok with quality and volume with default laptop soundcard.

>>51511597
Too expensive in Germany. I could only get them for about 370€.
>>51511648
I have read that the Beyers Edition have less clamp than their Pros. Is either the 990 Edition or 880 Edition a good alternative? What about the other ones from AKG, e.g. K701?

>>51511677
No. Which headphones? Impedance alone tells nothing about needing an amplifier. There are 300 Ohm headphones you can use without an amplifier easily and 50 Ohm ones which will absolutely require an amplifier.

>>51511692
Yes the Premium has light(er) clamp than the Pros. DT990 is awfully recessed in the mids. Other open AKGs aren't really any better in the bass than K612.

>>51511751
Beyerdynamic Custom Studio
Chose them instead of regular 16 Ohm version because of velour pads

>>51511833
Well do you get enough volume with them? If yes, you won't benefit from an amplifier at all. 16 Ohm is so low I'd consider an amplifier with very low gain(or none) and near zero output impedance merely due to damping, to act as an impedance buffer compared to your average line out.

Is bashing the HD 600s this hard some epic new meme?

>>51511899
No but shilling them that hard is.

>>51511899
Yes and no. The Snapheiser memes have been around for a long time but recently the bashing for the HD 600s is literally in every thread. I think it started from the comparisons to the HE-400S when that got measured.

>>51511924
No.

>>51511931
Fuck off shill.

>>51510356
Just picked up the 429s and I have 419s
Go 419 they have a shitload more bass. I hear the 439s have better bass than the 449s. The 429s have very light bass but are pretty balanced.

>>51511924
>Mentioning them at all is shilling

Dude this is exactly what I mean

>>51511899
No it's just common sense.

>>51511935
No you. Take your shitposting crew out of these threads and stop derailing shit.

>>51511949
>>51511957
>g-guys why are you talking bad about my favorite headphone I won't get paid at this rate!

um
is the ATH-M40x ok for casual usage (listening to music, movies etc)
it says it has a flat frequency response, do i need an amp or equalizer or something?
never had studio headphones before

>>51511971
It's literally reached the point where it sounds like they raped your entire family or something

I'm not even saying they're perfect but you act like they're pure trash

hi /g/, thoughts on these headphones?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=455bxV4OaZQ&feature=youtu.be

looking to upgrade from my denon d2000

>>51512003
You just described HD600 shills talking about any other headphone in production.

>>51511866
Thank you.
Yeah, volume is more than enough, though some albums require to set almost maximum

>>51512009
Fuck jude he's a retarded little manlet.
>>51509748

>>51512021
Just because they're babbys first headphones for a lot of people doesn't mean they're being shilled

Maybe instead of being so irrationally triggered you should just make a pasta or image explaining why they're so shit

>>51512043
>conveniently ignoring all the HD600 shillposting that has occurred
Maybe you should withhold on commenting about this shit until you've been in more than one of these threads.

>>51512068
>Multi billion dollar corporations care about advertising on a Malaysian Car enthusiast forum

Again, babbys first headphones for people with no other experience =/= shilling

Fanboying you could consider it I guess

>>51512091
Literally the most shilled headphone on /hpg/ at the current time.

>taking shill literally
First day on /g/ as well I presume?

>>51512003
Stop replying to that guy. Ruins the entire thread again.

>>51512009
Hard to upgrade from D2000 if you got one of the newer models. It's one of the most balanced closed backs ever made and way better than the new Fostex line or especially better than new Denons. Consider that Memedrop one only if you want even more bass than you have now but I sure wouldn't see it as an upgrade.

>>51512021
Fuck I'll go against my advice and reply... Literally every person here who recommends those is because of one simple reason: fidelity. To you it apparently means they must be paid by Sennheiser electronic GmbH & Co. KG to do so yet I don't think anyone of those would go against recommending headphones like DT250, MDR-V6, HD 558 or in-ears like ER-4S because of the very same reason. The fucking shill meme needs to die already. It's hurting recommendations and derailing the thread.

>>51512030
I think you're good with that setup then.

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>>51512109
>fidelity
Oh look it's this memester again.

>>51512105
No it's not at all but for some reason I always make it a point to argue with you autists about actual shills since those have existed at one point for other boards to some degree

>>51510126
>grandpa

Portapros

>>51512121
Never noticed how weird the font for Kid A was

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>>51512121
Things that matter the most aren't memes you dip. Are you the color-master who also systematically shits on all neutral gear here painting it as "boring"?

>>51512170
>HD600
>neutral
Said only the most retarded fanboys and shills.

>inb4 le name a more neutral full-size open headphone in production with a marble finish and Sennheiser logo on it meme
Close to neutral != neutral, get over yourself.

I don't get why being neutral is a bad or boring thing

It's way easier to use EQ to color a flat response than to get some shit with nigger bass and recessed mids and make it sound good for things like classical

>>51512186
Nobody has ever called them true neutral when $1000+ headphones exist but for the price they do a very good job

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Hi /g/, not a frequent visitor here, but I need help.

Xiaomi Pistons 2 or 3? I heard buying 1 doesn't pay off and there's a cred of 2 followers who actually prefer 2s to 3s. What's true, which are better?

>>51512216
>Nobody has ever called them true neutral
You're really showing how new you are to these threads.

>>51512186
>implying i implied that
Fuck off. Everyone here who has half the brain left could see that no headphone is truly neutral and also notice the models which achieve close to neutral response. EQ helps and you should always use it.

>>51512188
>I don't get why being neutral is a bad or boring thing
It's not, hearing your music fully isn't boring.

>>51512216
Are you saying there are more neutral headphones to be had for over 1k?

>>51512227
That wasn't me btw.

>>51512227
>Taking things literally

Would it appease your autism if people calculated the exact percentage of neutrality they have? Their coloration is fucking minimal so to call them neutral is just easier

>>51512243
Aren't HD 800s considered more neutral? At least that's what immediately came to mind

>>51512265
No. I have them and their response is considerably more colored. Thankfully EQ is a thing.

>Just spent $800 on parts to build a Circlotron
>Still need a case for $400'ish, volume pot and three transformers plus all the switch and jack hardware
Not as bad as I thought but still, a lotta cash to sink into a project at once. But if I'm lucky I'll have it running before Christmas.

>>51511941

Have also heard the 439s have good bass - will have to go and try them in a store if I can find a retailer somewhere I guess

Is the default EQ that comes with foobar2000 bad?

>>51512512
Yes. At least I've seen some nasty graphs of it. Use EQ APO as you are on Windows.

>>51512224
I'd like an answer to this as well.

>>51512691
>>51512224
Both are very V-shaped, Piston 3 a bit less from what can I remember seeing in measurements. Get the 3s.

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>>51512512
Really bad. They used some ultra shitty FIR preset that gives you an abortion of a frequency response. If you aren't going to use EQ APO, or are using WASAPI exclusive for whatever reason, at least use this foobar plugin.
>31 band graphic EQ
https://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_dsp_xgeq

It would be better if you used a VST-based parametric EQ, or just EQ APO.

So my cat destroyed my Sony MDR v55. Are they still the best headphones around 50 bucks? I liked them but if I can get something better I will

>>51513182
Piston 3 is not V shaped.

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>>51513198
I'd like to know how does one fuck up digital EQ that bad.

>>51513211
http://goldenears.net/board/index.php?mid=GR_Earphones&page=2&document_srl=5758479

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>>51513285

suggestions on headphones with mic for PS4? I love using my Sennheiser HD-25s but no mic to chat with my friends

Ideally want to get something with the same quality but will compromise

>>51513312
sennheiser game one or zero

>>51513235
You cannot mess up like that in the analog domain. You can end up with some other sort of distortion from non-linear response of analog electrical filters, but nothing like the nearly piecewise steps in the foobar plugin.

The foobar dev was being lazy and just picked some EQ preset library that was being offered, it was called SuperEQ. The original developer must have went out of their way to make as shitty an EQ as possible.
Fb2k doesn't even let you make subbass adjustments either.

>>51513202
Please respond, would be nice if I could find it on amazon.de

Is the v6 the newer version? What upgrades does it have? I can only find it on some fringe shop.

And I guess I wouldn't mind switching to open ones if they're noticeably better than the v55.

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I thought xiaomi headphones were meant to smell like chocolate? I can't smell anything.

I decided to replace my headphone pads on my Beyerdynamic headphones (DT 990), but the new ones that arrived from amazon looked even flatter than my old ones, so I sent them back. Was that normal? Do they expand after a few days out of the package (since they were shipped in a flat envelope)?

>>51513369
thanks, any other suggestions? Would like to spend closer to $100

>>51513589
Kingston HyperX Cloud/QPad QH-90 if closed is okay, QPad QH-85 if you want the open version. They're Takstar Pro 80s/Hi2050s with a mic jack built into the cup.

>>51513583
basically, has anyone ordered beyerdynamic headphone pad replacements, and were they super flat until you took them out of the package?

>>51514034
I got the black ones and they seemed fine

Just got the KEF M500 as a gift. Anyone know how it is?

How comfortable are the ATH-M50x?

I have a pair of Sennheisers 518. How do they compare?

>>51514297
good.

Sony MDRXB950BT/R

or

Sony MDR ZX770BT

What's the difference between the K7XX and the 701 and 702?

>>51512121
>>51512109
"fidelity" is literally a meme term that was almost never used in hpg until a few weeks ago when it was immediately attached to hd600 shilling, usually accompanied with cherrypicked measurements and the claim that the total amount of deviation from a subjective target is more important than the coloration it actually has. it all ties into "objective" graph masturbators and their strategy to shit on any headphone that doesn't align with their subjective idea of neutrality while dismissing legit complaints about their "perfect" headphone.

>>51515070
X2s don't have any fidelity.

>>51514306
m50x would be much less comfortable. the hot-spot they create on top of the head is the worst part. stretching the band and using bigger pads helds a lot though. my m40x isn't as comfortable as my 598 but I can still wear it for quite a while without being bothered.

>>51514844
bass. most open AKG like the k701/2 are bass-light with more up an upper-mids into highs emphasis. the k7xx has above-neutral bass and is smoother in the highs.

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