Fairly Neutral Response Closed Cans meme edition
>How to request purchase advice:
>$200 and under headphones:
>$200 and over headphones:
>/g/ wiki headphone FAQ:
Found a pic related sony s-master digital amp for a HT system in the trash, and it seems to be working fine. How much of a retared idea would it be to use it daily to drive some headphones?
Yeah im definitely getting a pair of those hot MSR7 cans. They just seem so good all-round.
The DT250 are just right around the corner too, but the 250 ohm version might need an amp.
They're both great. But the MSR is more efficient and ready for any portable DAPs.
> inb4 low-fi coloured shit, go fuck yourself redditor, muh fidelity HD 600
You mean this mic guide?
You were that teacher from Italy, right?
/g/ My headphones finally broke
(I dropped them too hard & sound in one side stopped, they also cracked)
I don't have much money right now, things are tight as I had to spend most of my money on more important things
I'm not an audiophile, I simply want a durable good pair for casual listening.
I plan to order a new pair from Amazon or Newegg (unless a better place exists).
I understand the OP contains lists, but I have a specific requirement.
I want a pair that I can unplug the cord from & they work in a wireless fashion
(until the charge runs down, at which time they must be plugged back in)
(plugged in or not, they function normally)
I only have around 100 dollars to spend (I know, I know)
Can you please recommend a pair to purchase, if possible.
Thank you very much & I'm sorry for any inconvenience this post may cause.
dt770, though the treble will be higher than the X2, since it has an outright v-shaped sig. it's also closed so you don't get that open sound. personally though I enjoy the v6 more, I think the bass is better, and there is no hint of the kind of bloat you get with most bassy headphones, including the x2 to a degree, it's also highly detailed. It does need some eq and new pads though.
>I have an amp and I don't really want the Fidelio X2, a little too expensive.
You can sell the amp and add the extra money to the budget, so you can buy an X2. Trust me, it's worthy.
Sorry if I burst your bubble.
What made you decide to buy these headphones in the first place?
>Try & compare
>flavor of the month
Just want to know why you got them.
K550/DT770 I don't understand why the K550 used to be neutral, but now its v-shaped.
>You mean this mic guide?
Ah yes, that one. Next time if somebody else post a new thread for the general. Please include this guide.
It's the really a matter of preference, because despite what people say the v6 is not a neutral headphone, it's quite sibilant but with can sound great, better than anything else (closed) in the price range. the key problem is reducing the sibilance and elevated highs. start working between 2-5k, lowering at 1k intervals and listening with stuff you know until you're satisfied. I have about 2.5k reduced by 2.5db, then 4k by 4db, then 5-8k by ~3db. the second thing is the lower mids are somewhat recessed which is partly a god thing since it reduces boom/bloat but I still boost 250-500 by about 2db. bass I leave pretty much flat, it's more than powerful enough already. I boost sub-bass around 30hz by 2.5db.
the result is a mildly dark, bassy sound the retains the mild-upper mids emphasis that is key to the "v6 sound". I mostly listen to metal and electronic but it's good for any kind of music.
To add on to this, I have filled out the request template mentioned in the OPBudget: ~100$ (flexible)
Location: The US
Source: USB port on PC
Preferred type of headphone: Full sized
Open or closed: Closed
Comfort level: Not that important
Preferred tonal balance: Don't care
Preferred music: Don't care
Past headphones: Skipped
Again, thank you for the help /g/
I decide to buy it by someone's suggestion as v6 are overpriced in my place and the price difference between both of them aren't that high in my country.
flavor of the month as I can get it under $200.
The problem when EQing is, I always not satisfied with that when I'm do that myself. I just can't find the right EQ for all songs that I listen to.
They are 290 euros. I definitely can't go that high.
I hate closed headphones I can't imagine having to use them for 7-8 hours a day.
I probably should've mentioned in the original post I can't do closed.
since you don't care about anything buy two frozen turds for $50 each and connect them with a copper wire
the shit should really form a nice seal with your ears after thawing out and get that closed sound youre looking for
Since you seem such a nice guy I would answer you but I know very little about wireless headphones so sorry.. The only ones I can think of are the parrot zik but they cost quite a bit
>can't afford x2
>wants bass (assumption from v-shaped preference)
get the k7xx then. personally though I think the X2 is worth holding out for $50 more for, but the k7xx is great, one of the best AKG headphones.
Could just fix it by just shouldering the wire from the broken side.
>Comfort level: Not that important
>Preferred tonal balance: Don't care
>Preferred music: Don't care
>Past headphones: Skipped
This type of information is important, I do care and don't skip it.
Tracking? Nothing like that. Someone made a fuss over your template, and you started talking about your occupation at the same time. Then you post that image again, and again, and again.
>I don't understand why the K550 used to be neutral, but now its v-shaped.
It was always pretty V-shaped. But the seal problem it has might lead you to believe otherwise.
well I can't really talk since I have like 20 presets for the v6, but I don't switch between them usually, I think of it more like a progression. whatever is the latest is what I use, but sometimes I will just dedicate an half hour or so to listen to some music and play with the eq using one of my favorite headphones. btw cd900st is not worth buying over the v6/7506 unless you're very much dedicated to japanese female vocals and/or anime music.
Why I chose the X2
1) I read and watched many reviews and 9 out of 10 were absolutely positive
2) I didn't want to buy an amp
3) I wanted a V-shaped open headphone which could be suitable to my music tastes (synth pop, rock, electronic...)
Im sorry I just assumed the pool of headphones which met my criteria & budget would be small enough that further shrinking my potential selections with things such as comfort level would would just result in zero potential candidates.
As long as they can charge, work wirelessly, and cover my ears entirely with large muffs, that will be great. I want to block outside noise as much as possible, I work best that way.
I listen to all types of music, I don't really have a preferred type.
As far as tonal balance goes, I'm sorry I just don't know anon.
668b is very good for the price but:
-comfort is pretty poor, though tolerable.
-even though bass is elevated and good, it does not have the kind of impact and punch that something like the v6 or x2 have, the highs are also quite elevated and need reduction with eq.
another alternative for a bassy open headphone is the 681evo, but the problem there is it really is the basshead open headphone. bass is very powerful and quite boomy, mids and highs are good and detailed but the highs in particular are recessed and overly smoothed. this can be fixed by removing the felt pads over the driver though.
These do not work wirelessly?
As in, plug them into a usb port, then plug the other end into the headphones, they charge, then can be unplugged & play music without any cord attached?
My last two pairs have been this way & it lets me walk around my room to my other computer systems while still listening to music. It is important to me.
If the price difference is $50 or above. I'll agree. But while it under that, I think its debatable because treble in cd900st are smoother and the midrange in cd900st are more empashized, which it goes to people preferences.
How much Q did you use to EQ it? Or you didn't use parameter EQ for that?
>It was always pretty V-shaped.
Well then, after a year of experience with them. They just have some bass and treble spikes but adaptable. I've tried equalizing them, just get that flatness. They still sound great with classical music, before and after.
>But the seal problem it has might lead you to believe otherwise.
Pic related. I never had a sealing problem with them anyways, so I could wear them for like nearly 5-9hrs.
>just small head things
as someone who is a noob and doesn't know a lot about this stuff, but was using the Fischer Audio DBA-02 before
will I be happy enough with shure SE215 in ears
I'm thinking about buying either shure SE215 or RHA T20i, but I'm not sure if it's worth spending ~200€ on the rha when the shure costs half the price
>I just can't find the right EQ for all songs that I listen to.
You can't. The first problem is the speakers and environment that they use to listen with are all different. There is a definite trend to a certain response, but that is only the average, not any one production.
Then there is the difference in style that adds another variable. But they do this for effect, mostly.
I didn't understand the issue of seal until I put a little effort into breaking it, and the bass vanished. My head might also be a bit large, how many ticks did you set yours to?
Rubber bands aren't the most elegant solution, but whatever works.
The Shure weighs less too. The RHA and SE215 have some similarities in sound, try it, buy it, and return it, if you don't like it.
>how many ticks did you set to?
For some weirdass reason: none
Yeah, the K550 seems to have some difference changes between head size. When I ask my friends to try them out they would also say mixed results.
been thinking about them myself since $300 is the lowest they've ever been. that's the standard price for the next down the line, the 400s. I bought my X2 not long ago though so I can't really justify that much expense.
99 dollars? What a deal! I just have to add 9 dollars for the shipping, and then pay the VAT, so I'll wait a month to have something I can buy on amazon for less and have sooner.
I wish Massdrop wasn't USA-only
Sennheiser has the only good wireless headphones on the market and even they are kinda average. They also cost a lot more than 100 and are for home use only as they have the proprietary transmitter/docking thing. RS185 is the best out of those iirc.
Well my Shure SE215's finally broke from accidental abuse.
Worth upgrading to Shure SE425? The 215's were never really good and had too much bass but I wore them for over a year.
>Worth upgrading to Shure SE425?
Even if you don't like the bass on se215, 425 can still be considered a downgrade.
First, Goldenears is stupid. So is Seeko, come to think of it.
Second, the "measured" data is raw data taken from an ear canal simulator. The ear canal, simulated or real ear, naturally amplifies certain frequencies, and has certain acoustic interaction with the ear phone. You don't hear the raw, your brain filters it out. You can hear the interaction between the canal and the earphone, which is why you use a ear simulator. The "perceived" graph is meant to reflect what Goldenears thinks is a good correction.
Really, I remember reading good things about them while shopping for my SE215's. You saved me some money.
Is there anything worthwhile in Shure's SE line that you know of? I like how they're designed, makes them easy to wear while working.
So which measuring site that have a good catalog of measured headphone and IEMs?
That difference in re-400 is too much.
While perceived shows the treble is recessed(or roll off, I can't read graph very well). The measured ones shows the treble is elevated, did brain filter making that much difference.
They're great, they just can't reach the highs very well. For rock and metal they'd do just fine.
They would have lasted a lot longer for me if I didn't keep dropping my mp3 player while they were connected.
the sony, but the m40x is the more balanced headphone, closer to neutral. the v6/7506 is something special though, everyone should try it at least. but if you want something more "practical" that you can be sure you'll like, get the m40x.
yeah man look at that extreme v-shape the k55x series has, it's horrible!
>So which measuring site that have a good catalog of measured headphone and IEMs?
The frequency response measurements aren't too bad, Goldenears does a little more to adjust the graphs than Seeko. Goldenears uses the same measurement gear as Seeko, and some of the adjustments Goldenears does are questionable.
The obvious problem is their other measurements besides FR are bad.
>brain filter making that much difference.
It's pretty huge, about 15 dB amplification near 3kHz, compared to 100Hz. Your outer ear and ear canals are designed to amplify certain frequencies immensely to help you hear where sounds come from, your brain filters out the amplification and difference between the two ears out to create sound source direction.
This graph shows shows several loudspeakers being measured at the eardrum equivalent.
If you measured them with a normal mic in open space, they are much closer to flat. If you listen to them, they don't sound ridiculously far off from perfectly neutral. The graphs do not seem to disprove the listening.
But when we see the actual response inside the ear, there is a huge difference.
yes. the m40x is very detailed and for lack of a better term more "dynamic" than some similarly balanced headphones which do sound dull, like the lower-end sennheisers. it responds to eq well, and the bass is not light, it's tight and punchy but with only a hint of elevation. if you're used to more colored headphones it can be a little "too even", so if you're looking for a specific kind of coloration give them a skip. but if you're just looking for something that does everything well and sounds good with any kind of music go for it.
>Buy headphones for 480$
>They're now being sold for 299$
Thanks based hifiman for making me want to die
It struck me how a neutral sound signature is highly appreciated and researched, but at the same time is also considered boring.
It seems to me that the neutral meme is kind of a rational element to seek, because of an aprioristic ideal pushed by the conscious mind, but when it encounters the irrational subconscious taste each one has, it's always addressed with derogatory terms like "boring" and similar, especially when compared to other sound signatures that differ, even noticeably, by the ideally flat response curve.
It's an interesting contradiction, I think.
From an objective standpoint, neutrality should be a high priority, since you can always mess with the balance on the equalizer/software side if you want a brighter sound, more bass, etc.
by that logic every headphone (or most), once EQ'd, sounds identical. in my experience there are audible qualities of headphones, in some more apparent than others, that you cant point to on an fr measurement. with EQ you can lessen or raise how apparent those qualities are, and you can even change the signature in a general way. but you can't make a headphone like the ad700 have the same bass as say a dt770.
>Can't you make every headphones "neutral" with equalizers?
No. Headphones respond differently to EQ, and if you can tone down peaks, compensating for heavy roll off can be not as easy, or even outright impossible.
>What's the point of so many different headphones anyway?
Build quality, fit, style, weight, portability, customizability, price, and so on. Moreover different headphones will sound differently, and someone might like or dislike the sound signature.
That was an experiment to show something else, the actual experiments based on the idea of brain filtering were performed many decades ago.
>why there's dips near 3Khz in nearly all measurement in Golden ears
That would explain the problem with IEMs, the resonant frequency of the canal is being shifted around and altered because you put something relatively large inside it. Then the IEM has to have the 3kHz resonance built into it to compensate. I suspect that they are trying to also make them not sound like earbuds, which often have big peaks around 2kHz, even after correction.
Less applicable so much with headphones, as your canal is still there and the headphone is well outside it. It does interact with the folds of the earlobes and such, but that is the outer ear.
>Moreover different headphones will sound differently, and someone might like or dislike the sound signature.
If you use an equalizer the difference between different headphones will be entirely different
You can make bass heavy headphones lose all the bass..
>it was so absolutely neutral that it was boring
There's so much wrong with this statement and I keep hearing it here too. You aren't listening to your fucking headphones, you are listening to the music. If your headphones color the sound and add something to the music, you aren't hearing the music fully anymore. You are listening to your gear.
Goldenears' target is actually very nice but I dislike their overly done smoothing of the graphs. In order for headphones to sound like neutral speakers in a room. they need a very considerable rise(about 15dB on average) in the frequency response slowly rising up from about 500Hz to 3-4KHz. The perceived frequency response listed on the Goldenears site is the raw data compensated on Diffuse Field EQ curve + X-curve and it's quite good at portraying the neutrality on average human ear. Read up on Diffuse Field EQ and the other target curvers for headphones available. Yes, in a way your brains really do "filter out" the massive rise.
No but you can get better fidelity out of almost any headphone by smart use of EQ. Headphones can't by nature achieve true neutrality without EQ anyways so you should learn how to do it and do it.
>about to buy Philips SHP9500
>they bump up the price by 10 euro today
>Headphones respond differently to EQ
Besides strong phase cancellation, not really. Correcting for rolloff is more about physical limits (thermal limits/power compression, excursion limits) than anything else.
That doesn't mean timbral differences still don't exist, but FR is easy.
Correlation of the reproduction of the signal to the original, how identical it is.
In audio, it may be better to ignore fidelity and instead state how similar it seems to be.
Dunno, while is less applicable. I keep seeing that dips around 3Khz in headphones, more so in asia manufactured headphone so much as Sony, Hifiman, Audio Technica and Hifiman.
How to read diffuse field EQ? I'm still confused how to decide if the bass/treble are rolled off now.
> colour = low fidelity = gear listening
The usual argument of "pure sound" enthusiasts is progressively getting more boring than the neutral headphones they shill on these threads everyday.
Sennheiser Surround are pretty solid desu senpai
>How to read diffuse field EQ? I'm still confused how to decide if the bass/treble are rolled off now.
Well the diffuse field EQ does not touch on bass frequencies at all and only can give you an averaged target for treble up to about 10kHz. Individual differences due to resonances of outer ear and ear canal can cause different sounding response from the same headphones from 6kHz and up and the measurement rigs can only measure somewhat accurately up to 13-14kHz. Past that point you have no valid data available, you have to use your ears. I'd argue that in music listening a response past that point gets rather trivial.
The X-curve added to the diffuse field on Goldenears assumes that headphones should have a steady rise in the bass frequencies from 200Hz and lower due to two factors; equal loudness contour and the inability of heaphones to repdroduce bass which you can feel like speakers do(rumble) leaving them often feeling bass light. The X-curve makes headphones which measure dead flat in raw response look like they have roll off.
Pic related is the newest and most accurate averaged DF target curve. Headphones should measure closely to that curve in raw response in order for them to sound neutral to the ear. If they fail to have a rise that steep or just simply roll off entirely before the target curve does/never reach that high of an amplitued, it'll show as rolled off response in a DF equalized graph. You need to be more specific if you want to learn details or just Google it up. I can explain something here though. Here are raw responses of two headphones which are very close to the DF target
cont, the raw responses not behind a link this time
I have a preset for my Sennheiser HD 800s which I've shared here. But it's really just for that headphone and an EQ based on my ears using sine tones. You should get Sinegen and listen through the frequency response with the sine tones. You notice a notch, you EQ it up using a filter of adequate Q value. You notice a peak, you EQ it up using the same technique. It's the only way you can really get your headphones to be accurate on your ears. It'll take some time to do the EQ but even a little bit helps. The sharp resonances headphones tend to have in the high frequencies are really problematic. Accurately nullying those is time consuming.
Perhaps it is part of their style. Many Sonys will even overdo the 3kHz peak and some other Asian IEMs, so it is not quite universal among Asian companies.
Basically, if you think they have the right idea subjectively with the corrected response, use it. Or make mental adjustments to the graph based on what you ideal headphone graphs like. EQ will help you here, to a limited degree.
Diffuse field EQ is considered to be a representation of a flat perceived target for headphones.
You can read some of the arguments for a DF target here.
Chart showing response for a diffuse field response measured in people, using various measurement methods.
I could upload a ton of other crap, but I wouldn't know where to upload it to.
Phase cancellation refers to the phase interference, specifically a strong amount of destructive interference.
Sound waves propagate with amplitude, the amount of instantaneous pressure delta, and phase, which can refer to the progression of the wave in a cycle. Acoustics cause a wave to be reflected off of something, the wave a little delayed. The delay means a certain amount of phase shift at a range of frequencies. The phase shifted signal is mixed into the main signal, adding or subtracting to it. If the wave is out of phase at the same frequency, it will cancel the pressure at the location.
An out of phase signal is what active noise cancellation operates on.
-A mic captures the outside noise
-Digital processor reverses polarity of the signal so that it is out of phase
-Out of phase signal is played back over a small speaker unit
-The amount that the signal is out of phase determines the magnitude of the active cancellation.
The outer ear does a little phase cancellation in determining direction. This cancellation is dependent on the angle that the sound hits the ear, and is commonly known as the pinna notch. This isn't quite a perfect cancellation though
Some headphones have some perfect cancellation going on for them at a certain frequency. A perfect cancellation is absolutely unfixable without taking it apart and modifying the acoustics. Audeze EL-8 open is an example. So is the Sennheiser Momentum.
32 ohm vs 80 ohm vs 250 ohm and why
Not sure I understand what you mean but I assume you are talking about the frequency response graph. I'm not trying to achieve any line or specific curve. I'm trying to achieve equal loudness across the frequency response by listening to a sine sweep tone to going up and down from 20Hz to 20kHz. The end result once done with care ends up really close to a DF curve however, even if that's not the idea itself.
Anyone know anything about these?
>bought a pair of Sennheiser Game Zeros after using some wireless Sound Blaster headset that came with software to edit sound
>still not used to the lack of bass
>don't feel like buying Razer Surround
Fug, at least the microphone is really good on these things.
Thank you for reading my blog.
if they have really abysmal bass, it might be due to the lack of power, they dont have the highest sensitivity.
On a side note, sennheiser communications products are cheaply made compared to true sennheiser stuff.
>external speakers on a closed headphone
> cheaply made compared to true sennheiser stuff.
> implying true sennheiser stuff is well made
So this is the Diffuse Field graph, right?(Don't mind the hour, I'm just reading some interesting article about burn in). So with this graph I can take conclusion that the treble is elevated isn't it?
While I found this to be interesting. I can't be arsed to read many journal about sound engineering as I need to read my journal studies.
>The two transducers in the GAME ZERO have been developed at our labs in Germany. They are optimized to provide an extremely accurate reproduction of the gaming audio, no matter what type of game you play. Every single unit is mechanically and acoustically tested.
I do have a Mayflower 02, so it's most likely that they just weren't made with music in mind (but then again, I know nothing about this stuff).
What open headphone would you recommend for gaming? I was thinking about the Stax SR-009, but I don't know whether it has sufficient soundstage. I want to use them to play MegaMan and Ghosts 'n' Goblins, where surrounding sounds are crucial for a better experience. Thank you!
Looking for some >30 € headphones to gift my grandpa for christmas.
Comfort > Sound Quality for him.
>Preferred type of headphone: Full sized
>Open or closed: Don't mind
>Comfort level: Maximum
>Preferred tonal balance:
>Preferred music: Acoustic/rock
>Past headphones: gamecom 780
currently looking at :
Takstar HI 2050
/g/'s opinion on Sennheiser's HD 449s?
Was considering the 558s but realised they've got a full on 6.3mm jack and really just want them for my laptop/phone.
Also they're 45% off on Amazon (down to £50), at the moment so may pick them up because looks like they're being superseded so probably won't be any cheaper for black friday http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sennheiser-Ergonomic-Closed-Back-Headphones-Incredible/dp/B005N8W214/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1448397818&sr=1-1&keywords=449
EDM, deep house, indie, R&B
The Samson is basically a closed Superlux HD668b or HD681 (not entirely sure which) with better pads. Those are known for their sharp highs.
The Pro 80s are better built and sound better but you'll probably have to pay a bit more for them.
Don't know much about the HD6000 so I can't compare those.
If the price is the same, Pro 80 all the way.
both pro80 and hd6000 are around 30euros more expense, 40~ samson vs 70 for takstar, im so fucking tired of searching for headphone, i just want to finaly by one that doesnt suck, comfy + good iso. Using some crappy senheiser HD 35 TV on-ears right now.
How does the Philips SHL3200 (40$) compare to the m40x or HM5 (100/120$)?
I want some bassy closed headphones and I've read that the latter two are quite neutral.
Do the specs (pic related) matter anything at all?
Grab the takstars if you can spend the money, I'd say. Or maybe look for the Kingston HyperX Cloud/QPad QH-90 and see if you can find those for cheaper. I happened to find the open-back version of those (QPad QH-85) for €40.
Those headsets are literally Takstar headphones with a microphone jack built into the left cup.
Yeah they're on-ear, but right now i'm using Philips NL9206ad4 (seems almost to be the same model, around the same price, on-ear, they should have a similar sound too) and they're quite comfortable to wear, even though i can't compare with anything expensive because this is the first pair of decent headphone i've ever bought.
On a side note: are headphone singular? Headphones? Pair of headphone/s?
>it does kinda seem like tamed Grado response
They even look the same lmao
In my experience the Superlux HD 662s clamp even harder on your head than the 681s.
And their AKG-ish headband thing is so short the cups could barely reach my ears. At that point the pleather band was constantly touching the two metal rods, making the cups resonate with loud bass guitar-like noises.
Should I get a senheinser HD 202 or an HD 201
I just want something that lasts more than a year around that price.
Bass levels on both are perceived as the same.
I remembered you from last thread, you want a tad more bass but not a lot more like Fidelio X2.
It's really tough to find such a headphone, I'd EQ the K612 or hunt for a HD650.
I would keep my K612, but the pressure from the earpads is too strong (above the ear and the jawbone, not the ears themselves), I can't wear it longer than about 1 hour. It's a bit boring for listening to electronic music as well, I could live with that, but I wouldn't fight against a bit more bass.
Odd thing to complain about those. DT880 Premium has modest clamp and you can bend the headband for even less clamp if you find that to be the issue. If you spend time equalizing down the treble spike and up the upper mids you'll get a nice response where the deeper bass extension could be audible compared to the K612.
Boomy shit way out of anon's budget.
Too expensive in Germany. I could only get them for about 370€.
I have read that the Beyers Edition have less clamp than their Pros. Is either the 990 Edition or 880 Edition a good alternative? What about the other ones from AKG, e.g. K701?
No. Which headphones? Impedance alone tells nothing about needing an amplifier. There are 300 Ohm headphones you can use without an amplifier easily and 50 Ohm ones which will absolutely require an amplifier.
Yes the Premium has light(er) clamp than the Pros. DT990 is awfully recessed in the mids. Other open AKGs aren't really any better in the bass than K612.
Well do you get enough volume with them? If yes, you won't benefit from an amplifier at all. 16 Ohm is so low I'd consider an amplifier with very low gain(or none) and near zero output impedance merely due to damping, to act as an impedance buffer compared to your average line out.
Yes and no. The Snapheiser memes have been around for a long time but recently the bashing for the HD 600s is literally in every thread. I think it started from the comparisons to the HE-400S when that got measured.
Just picked up the 429s and I have 419s
Go 419 they have a shitload more bass. I hear the 439s have better bass than the 449s. The 429s have very light bass but are pretty balanced.
is the ATH-M40x ok for casual usage (listening to music, movies etc)
it says it has a flat frequency response, do i need an amp or equalizer or something?
never had studio headphones before
Just because they're babbys first headphones for a lot of people doesn't mean they're being shilled
Maybe instead of being so irrationally triggered you should just make a pasta or image explaining why they're so shit
>Multi billion dollar corporations care about advertising on a Malaysian Car enthusiast forum
Again, babbys first headphones for people with no other experience =/= shilling
Fanboying you could consider it I guess
Stop replying to that guy. Ruins the entire thread again.
Hard to upgrade from D2000 if you got one of the newer models. It's one of the most balanced closed backs ever made and way better than the new Fostex line or especially better than new Denons. Consider that Memedrop one only if you want even more bass than you have now but I sure wouldn't see it as an upgrade.
Fuck I'll go against my advice and reply... Literally every person here who recommends those is because of one simple reason: fidelity. To you it apparently means they must be paid by Sennheiser electronic GmbH & Co. KG to do so yet I don't think anyone of those would go against recommending headphones like DT250, MDR-V6, HD 558 or in-ears like ER-4S because of the very same reason. The fucking shill meme needs to die already. It's hurting recommendations and derailing the thread.
I think you're good with that setup then.
No it's not at all but for some reason I always make it a point to argue with you autists about actual shills since those have existed at one point for other boards to some degree
Things that matter the most aren't memes you dip. Are you the color-master who also systematically shits on all neutral gear here painting it as "boring"?
Said only the most retarded fanboys and shills.
>inb4 le name a more neutral full-size open headphone in production with a marble finish and Sennheiser logo on it meme
Close to neutral != neutral, get over yourself.
I don't get why being neutral is a bad or boring thing
It's way easier to use EQ to color a flat response than to get some shit with nigger bass and recessed mids and make it sound good for things like classical
Hi /g/, not a frequent visitor here, but I need help.
Xiaomi Pistons 2 or 3? I heard buying 1 doesn't pay off and there's a cred of 2 followers who actually prefer 2s to 3s. What's true, which are better?
>implying i implied that
Fuck off. Everyone here who has half the brain left could see that no headphone is truly neutral and also notice the models which achieve close to neutral response. EQ helps and you should always use it.
>I don't get why being neutral is a bad or boring thing
It's not, hearing your music fully isn't boring.
Are you saying there are more neutral headphones to be had for over 1k?
That wasn't me btw.
>Taking things literally
Would it appease your autism if people calculated the exact percentage of neutrality they have? Their coloration is fucking minimal so to call them neutral is just easier
>Just spent $800 on parts to build a Circlotron
>Still need a case for $400'ish, volume pot and three transformers plus all the switch and jack hardware
Not as bad as I thought but still, a lotta cash to sink into a project at once. But if I'm lucky I'll have it running before Christmas.
Really bad. They used some ultra shitty FIR preset that gives you an abortion of a frequency response. If you aren't going to use EQ APO, or are using WASAPI exclusive for whatever reason, at least use this foobar plugin.
>31 band graphic EQ
It would be better if you used a VST-based parametric EQ, or just EQ APO.
I'd like to know how does one fuck up digital EQ that bad.
You cannot mess up like that in the analog domain. You can end up with some other sort of distortion from non-linear response of analog electrical filters, but nothing like the nearly piecewise steps in the foobar plugin.
The foobar dev was being lazy and just picked some EQ preset library that was being offered, it was called SuperEQ. The original developer must have went out of their way to make as shitty an EQ as possible.
Fb2k doesn't even let you make subbass adjustments either.
Please respond, would be nice if I could find it on amazon.de
Is the v6 the newer version? What upgrades does it have? I can only find it on some fringe shop.
And I guess I wouldn't mind switching to open ones if they're noticeably better than the v55.
I thought xiaomi headphones were meant to smell like chocolate? I can't smell anything.
I decided to replace my headphone pads on my Beyerdynamic headphones (DT 990), but the new ones that arrived from amazon looked even flatter than my old ones, so I sent them back. Was that normal? Do they expand after a few days out of the package (since they were shipped in a flat envelope)?
"fidelity" is literally a meme term that was almost never used in hpg until a few weeks ago when it was immediately attached to hd600 shilling, usually accompanied with cherrypicked measurements and the claim that the total amount of deviation from a subjective target is more important than the coloration it actually has. it all ties into "objective" graph masturbators and their strategy to shit on any headphone that doesn't align with their subjective idea of neutrality while dismissing legit complaints about their "perfect" headphone.
m50x would be much less comfortable. the hot-spot they create on top of the head is the worst part. stretching the band and using bigger pads helds a lot though. my m40x isn't as comfortable as my 598 but I can still wear it for quite a while without being bothered.