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Fuck you guys that said an SSD was just a meme.

Its one of the best purchases I made so far. Everything is fast as fuck and even though there are no improvements in fps in games, some games like the witcher 3 run a lot smoother since they stream textures and data from the hard drive quite frequently.

Its also nice to know that my PC isn't bottlenecked by a slow mechanical HDD. Shit was frustrating when I would start up chrome for the first time and it takes 30 seconds while the HDD light is blinking like crazy.

Also for those using samsung ssd on windows 10, there is a new magician available that allows you to use rapid mode in windows 10 now.
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SSDs are amazing lol the only people that say they suck are poorfags
Like iPhone vs android, poorfags all over the place full of cognitive dissonance.
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Rapid mode is just a cheating mode for benchmarking purposes.
I bought an SSD and I don't feel like I've gotten my money's worth.

My startup times went from 40 seconds to 8.
Wow.
That was totally worth $70.
I would get up to make coffee while my computer boots.
Who actually sits in front of their computer while it boots?
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reblogged :^)
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>>51482750
>Fuck you guys that said an SSD was just a meme.

I stopped browsing 4chan and thus /g/ for a while but recently came back

I am still amazed that people were calling SSD's meme upgrades.
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don't SSDs have a write limit?
I mean if you are going to use them as a backup, which is going to end up being used as a read only device than i can see why buying an SSD might be the best thing ever.
For normal purposes, though, HDD are the way to go.
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>>51482779

If you did anything besides load your browser to shitpost maybe you'd better witness the faster loading times a ssd offers

Not out fault you do fuck all except jerk off to exhentai all day
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>>51482809
Sorry OP, I don't play games because I'm not a child.
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>>51482769
0/10
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>>51482820

>the only thing he can think of is games

truly you do nothing with your computer
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>>51482820
>SSD
>gaming
What?
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>>51482800
SSDs main advantage is speed. They do have a write limit but thanks to modern wear leveling strategies the user should use them just like a hard drive. They should last as long or longer than a hard drive in normal use.

http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead
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>>51482779
nigga, do you even use your computer? everything is snappy as fuck compared to a mechanical hard drive. even simple shit like navigating the control panel is pretty much instantaneous.
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>>51483788
That only happens if your computer has to touch the mechanical drive, I have enough ram to load my whole O/S into ram and cache things in ramdisks, ,which is faster than the fastest SSD.

Only plebs turn their computer off.
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>>51483756
My MX100 has dropped 3% health just writing 7TB
Fucking /g/ and their shitty recommendations.
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>>51483756
fucking this
The SDD will last longer than the rest of the hardware, hitting the endurance limit in a consumer level machine is a non-issue.
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>>51482750
Should I buy an SSD for my laptop? The storage that came with it is a 1TB SSHD. I don't have much money (student) so I could probably only afford a 240GB SSD. The laptop doesn't have an extra space for another drive but it has an m.2 slot. Don't know what the size is, though.

Do you guys know of good and cheap 240GB m.2 SSDs? Any brands I should look out for/avoid?
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>>51484481
I did. I just transformed the 1 tb SSHD into a external that I use for my laptop. I did it because I liked the boot speeds of an SSD.
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yeah dude. it's great.

i took it to the next level though and got an intel 750

pci-e ssd, 1.2 terabytes. shit cost me 1050$
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>>51482750
I thought it was pretty obvious trolling.


Getting an SSD is easily the biggest improvement you can get for your computer.
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>>51482794
>>51482820


You are a fucking retard, SSDs actually are a bigger upgrade for non-gamers since it literally affects everything that has to do with general computing.
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>>51483836
Fuck off cunt. I have 32GB of ram on my main system and use SSDs for local storage and a NAS with mechanical disks (and also 32GB of ram) for long term storage.

Mechanical disks are hipster trash for a local machine.
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>>51484543
does anyone know how ssd's function on laptops with shit tier processors.
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>SSD is a meme
is a meme
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>>51485449

I do. Placed an SSD for my boot drive on my i5 480m machine. Starts a lot faster and feels a lot snappier. My laptop also supports SATA II only so even at these speeds the SSD was a big upgrade.
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>>51485449
I put an SSD in my x200, core 2 duo, fuckhuge difference, it's like a new laptop
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Who the fuck said that SSD was a meme lmao
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>>51485449
I would be more worried about Sata 2.0 or even 1.0, which will seriously hinder the maximum potential of your ssd.
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>>51482750
>not falling for the meme
good job trusting your gut, SSD's with higher than 500mb/s read/write speeds are fucking awesome
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>>51483862
Well you got 230TB left at that rate. How long did it take you to write 7TB?
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>>51485449
They work fantastically. They really breathe life into old laptops.
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>>51482750
Yeah, it turns out not everything you read on /g/ is true :^)

I have a 512GB SSD and 256GB M.2 SSD in my laptop, and am going to add a 1TB one to the ultrabay if there's a good black friday deal.
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How would you transfer your OS from HDD to SSD ?
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>>51485591
ez with linux, lots of failures and headache if you want to do it with windows
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>>51485621
Why ? My laptop came preinstalled with windows 10.
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>>51485637
Just clone the disk if you're using the same exact machine. Don't clone HDD to SSD just to put the SSD in another computer, Windows won't like that. Recommend Acronis.
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If i have a program i paid for like antivirus, office or a vpn that comes with an activation code. How easy would it be to transfer the program from one hdd to another or would it be easier to just clone the drive?
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>>51485685
clone the drive
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Cloning a windows install is fine as long as said install has never booted up with both disks plugged in.
If Windows has "seen" it then it will get a drive letter other than C after the clone and the install will be hosed.
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>>51485755
i fucking ruined it then, after fucking around for hours i finally got it to work like that
C: SSD OS
* : HDD system reserved
D: HDD STUFF

So, to boot up on the SSD i needed a system recovery partition which stayed on the HDD, removing the HDD i couldnt get the SSD to boot, no matter what i did

so i reinstalled a fresh copy, better this way anyway
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>>51482750
The whole SSDs are a meme is a meme get it?
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>>51485548
Few thousand hrs after disabling everything that writes to the C drive and using a mechanical to dump everything on.
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if youre installing windows or any other OS on it are you supposed to encrypt the drive before install or after install?
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got a fucking 250gb ssd and 2tb hdd

feelsgood just to torrent all kinds of shit to the hdd witouth it getting full

not having to worry about my C drive either
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I bought a portable SSD for my job as web designer. It really improve the rendering and overall performance of illutrator, indesign, and photoshop.

For all of those that want to be come a front end/back end designer with a good pay, please don't do what I did. Do not get the adobe certs, they are stupid easy and worthless, I did and never helped in my job. (even if i get paid a lot for a 23 year old)

/blogpost
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>>51482750
>he fell for the SSD metameme
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>>51485865
nice proof, thx

SSD A GOOD
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>>51485927
>needs anime to convince them of anything
McKillYourSelf faggot
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>>51485817
Not him, but assuming a few things here. If I assume you mean 3000 hours at 3%, that means you have 100,000 hours total for your use case. Your drive ought to last you 11 years at this rate.
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>>51485974
>gets triggered by anime in an anime imageboard
sasuga tripfag
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>>51482750
the optimal drive configuration is as follows.....

small boot ssd..... this only contains your windows install...

small software ssd.... this only contains your software installs

mechanical cache hdd... this only contains your cache files.....

mechnical file hdd..... this only contains your files. :P

the purpose behind such a setup is simple: 1. you want a boot SSD because they're epic, enough said.

2. you want a software SSD, because theyre epic, enough said.

3. you need a cache hdd.... because otherwise your ssds will waste precious read/writes .. and thus degrade their lifecycle.

4. you need a seperate file hdd from your cache hdd, as this means you can read/write to both of them simeltaneusly... avoiding a bottleneck.
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>>51486076
Autism galore, any decent SSD will last enough to be deprecated by another technology even if you use it for boot software and cache.
Save the money and buy 2 SSD's for raid 1 if you are that paranoid.
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>>51486000
This, desu. Also, check'd
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>>51485449
it's like upgrading to a new laptop, definitely worth the money. once you go ssd, you never go back. operating systems with only a hdd has become a chore.
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>>51486000
>an anime imageboard
this is the technology board
i think you meant to click on >>>/a/ or one of the many other cartoon boards on this website.
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>>51485449
I have liteon ssd in celeron n2840 acer laptop. Os works more responsive and faster than my pc with i5 4460 and wd black hdd. Everything runs in second or two on laptop while it takes much more on pc.
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>>51485865
I envy you.
Damn, my MX100 drops health so fast.
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>>51482750

congrats, you fell for the meme again.

Any mechanical drive on Raid 0 mode will embarrass a SSD. You would know this if you were intelligent enough to raid.
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>>51486645
>yfw you can put ssd's in raid 0
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>>51486659
Then you loose TRIM and it's still slower than a NVME drive.
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>>51486645
Raid 0? More like increasing your chances of data corruption
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>>51486630
>>51485865
where do you get these anime programs lol
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>>51486916
It's just a skin for CrystalDiskInfo
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>>51486955
:DDD
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>>51483756

I think Im going to get this instead of Samsung

Kingston V300 480GB SATA 6Gb/s 2.5" SSD


Thanks /g/, I hope price will go down after the new year
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>>51486916
http://suishoshizuku.com/en/
>Shizuku chan who is a japanese cute girl watches over your HDD and SSD.
キタ━━━(゚∀゚)━━━!!
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It is not a meme
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>>51482750
if SSDs are so great, why are they so expensive and not in high demand.
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>>51486698
>I'll threaten everyone with data corruption to scare people into the ssd meme

the sad thing is that you'll get a few people.
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>>51486978
It's because they are in high demand that the prices won't come down.
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>>51486978
It's because they are expensive that they are not in high demand.
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SSD is worth the cash as an OS drive and to run bloated programs, it's a very noticeable increase in speed for normal computer operations

I would still recommend HDD for large storage though, movies and music do not need fast speeds and cost per gigabyte SSDs are still not terribly efficient, buying a SSD over 500gb is asking for wallet rape.
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>>51485449
Lots of replies already but I put an Intel SSD in my old ass Thinkpad using some shitty HDD to SATA adapter and it runs like my desktop for general use. SSDs are godlike.
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How are people still falling for ssd is a meme meme
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Tbh ocz is one of the worst brands to me now
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>>51482750
Just got an 850 EVO, 500GB last week.

Almost finished copying most of my crap from my old drive, but it's a real pain in the ass, because my old drive was dynamic, so I need to use special software to access it externally...

Maybe after I'm sure I've grabbed the important stuff, I'll swap it back to basic, and hope the remaining data isn't fucked.

But, yeah, SSD is MUCH faster than HDD.
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>>51487101
>>51487107
They are in high demand, which is why prices are coming down as fast as they are.
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>>51485449
>does anyone know how ssd's function on laptops with shit tier processors.
You can figure out yourself, everything that loads data from disk is faster, cpu intensive shit like video processing is not. It is definitely worth doing.
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>>51487247
anyone know the risk of using Windows' Disk Management to convert disk to Basic?

How likely am I to destroy the data on it?

Also, HxD won't show it, because it appears on my system as "Invalid Disk". It doesn't have a letter and won't read without TestDisk
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>>51485621
>ez with linux, lots of failures and headache if you want to do it with windows
Complete and utter bullshit, every ssd that is not complete crap already comes with a windows migration tool that total retards can easily use.
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>>51485660
>Don't clone HDD to SSD just to put the SSD in another computer, Windows won't like that. Recommend Acronis.
Never had a problem with cloning and we cloned about 120 notebooks now. You are an idiot.
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>>51482750

Only dickbreaths who are too poor to afford an SSD call it a "meme". Butt-hurt poorfags.

On my machine:

Window boot with HDD: 3 mins to usable desktop
Windows boot with SSD: 18 seconds from cold

Time saving is not a meme for adults.
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>>51482820
>I'm not a child

said the kid posting on 4chan
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Don't fucking shoot me up for saying this.
But SSDs are alright... I honestly haven't found a reason to upgrade to them yet.
My HDD boots Winblows 10 extremely fast, not only that but it runs fast and snappy, Im good.
Now im not saying that they suck and shit, as a matter of fact they are great!! I just see no reason rn
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Question /g/

How long will my SSD survive downloading - watching - deleting my chinese cartoons?

Also, does my SSD space decrease overtime and when will it happen?

I will not be buying a HDD as I plan to buy a 500GB SSD
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>>51487330
Well, there's nothing wrong with that. If it works for you, that's fine. DESU, I trust HDDs a bit more, myself. But, I load so much random bullshit onto my machine that it's unacceptably slow once it's fully up and running. Before my SSD, it took my computer like 5 minutes from Disk password entry to loading the internet...

Now.. it's... what? MAYBE 90 seconds? At max?
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>>51487357
How though?
And yea I trust hdd drives a lot, except does shitty ones from like Toshiba and shit
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>>51487354
>How long will my SSD survive downloading - watching - deleting my chinese cartoons?
tbqh, as long as a mechanical HDD

>Also, does my SSD space decrease overtime and when will it happen?
no, but if you don't use your SSD for a week, your files with start deleting. I recommend putting your SSD in a freezer during vacations and that should limit data loss.
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I have a 7 year old 5400rpm mechanical drive that boots Windows 8.1 in less than a minute. How do you retards manage 3 (or more) minutes? Do you have literally every program and service set to run on start up?
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>>51487354
>How long will my SSD survive

This is not a consideration for a non enterprise user
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>>51487354
I looked up my own SSD, and it appears that I can overwrite the drive about 3000 times. 78TiB.

I had an HDD that lasted over 6 years (still good, just slow) and I never even filled 320GB.

So, as long as you're not writing FUCKLOADS of anime, you should be fine.
Otherwise, get an external HDD.

>>51487382
I install tons of tweaking software, and I have a lot of it boot on startup. I also run a Dev Server.
Pair that with tons of other programs, and it's not fast.
Dump on the fact that my HDD was about 6 years old, SATA II, and it's even slower.

But, my 850 EVO, even though it's running in a SATA II slot, is still fast as shit.

And I even disabled things like main drive indexing, hibernate, don't use hybrid shutdown (I think...). Everything's way faster.
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>>51482800
>this bs

It has been proven again and again that the life of modern SSDs have far greater life than HDDs.
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>>51487477
>it has been proven
>no citations

snakeoilsalesman.exe

keep an eye out for these people.
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>>51486965
Why aren't Animu Desktop Assistants not a thing yet?
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>>51487477
I guess the only excuse I got now is price per space in not buying an SSD

If only 1tb SSD = 4tb HDD

Maybe I'll bite, but not right now, in 3 years perhaps.
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>>51487502
Right now its 250gb SSD = 4tb HDD
Soon
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>>51487489
I was planning to begin coding one in my free time, with some siri-like capabilities but no botnet.
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>>51485449
I work in a computer store and everytime someone comes in with a shitty laptop that "got slow" we just pop an ssd in there. Had a lot of them coming back to tell us how big of a difference it made and they're usually happy as fuck.
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>>51487489
Fuck you mean, /g/ro?

>pic many relates
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I actually don't know if this is a problem specific to the SSD I have or if I'm retarded and never noticed this sort of behavior all along, but here goes.

I notice that when my SSD is doing intensive writing processes, like I'm downloading a game off of Steam at 5MBytes/s or moving a really big file from my internal HDD to my main SSD that my entire computer performance slows to a crawl. I can't really do anything without it locking up until the download transfers are done. Is this an inherent weakness of SSD's or what?

I don't remember this ever being a problem with harddrives, but I could be wrong.
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>>51487486
Anantech and Tech report have done the endurance studies. You can search for those.
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>>51482750
Yeah that's all great and all but how about the limited write cycles and the fact you lose memory if it's left inactive?
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>>51487621
>makes the claims
>still insists that you search for the studies yourself

good thing I took classes to protect against this.
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>>51487629
Never heard of the data loss in unpowered state thing. Checked it, though.

Seems like a load of hokey bullshit. They mention if you leave it unpowered for like 2 years. Who the hell is gonna do that?

On the other hand, if that's true... my iTouch might be corrupt at this point... I haven't used that in forever...
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>>51487650
https://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead
Well here's one

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8239/update-on-samsung-850-pro-endurance-vnand-die-size
Anandtech does these things individually

But I quote:
>282.74 years
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>>51482750
>Also for those using samsung ssd on windows 10, there is a new magician available that allows you to use rapid mode in windows 10 now.
thank you OP
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The SSD that I've been using since 2011. First as an OS drive, now as my storage drive. I think I'm going to upgrade to an 850 Pro for my midcycle refresh on this computer.
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>>51487760

It would be really neat to be an ancient tech enthusiast 200 years from now and installing a "used" 200 year old SSD that still works in 2215. They are probably reading this right now via 200 year old internet archives to get a sense of what we were like in 2015. Hello.
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>>51488039
but wont that be contradictory to
>>51487400
>don't use your SSD for a week, your files with start deleting.
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>>51488039
They probably just downloaded inside their cyber-head all the info from 4000 year old history so they can be 100% informed on everything.
So no need to read this shit

That said, hello there, future race of evolved humanity.
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>>51488039
While endurance on SSDs is high- data retention isn't. They do need to be powered on like every year to maintain the data on them.
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>>51488039
>>51488087
Hmmm... Hello future people.

Might as well chime in.

Although, with technology atm, some of us might still be around, though as cyborgs or some shit.
So, if I'm part robot, hello me.
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>buy SSD
>buy esata dock
>months pass by and SSD + dock is still in back
>still don't know what to do with 2 TB of stuff and SSD is only 480 GB
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My message to future humanity:
Pull your fucking trousers up, you're a fucking disgrace.
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How long could a mechanical drive last if it's left alone and isn't damaged at all? Could the data be retrievable in decades/centuries?
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What are programs that you should not install to the SSD?
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>>51487311
>>>51482750 (OP)
>Only dickbreaths who are too poor to afford an SSD call it a "meme". Butt-hurt poorfags.
>On my machine:
>Window boot with HDD: 3 mins to usable desktop
>Windows boot with SSD: 18 seconds from cold
>Time saving is not a meme for adults.
My win7 takes 20 seconds since power on to desktop with a wd blue.
You have a slow hdd
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I don't care about boot time all that much but I do find it infuritating when programs and games take a long time to load

My modded Skyrim can take about 2 minutes to get to the main menu and then 30-60 seconds to load a save, it's awful
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>>51488513
HDDs will degrade over time tho.
So will SSDs but to much lesser extent
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>Fuck you guys that said an SSD was just a meme.
You are stupid as fuck.
It should already be a logical conclusion if you have any technical literacy at all that SSDs are good boot/performance drives.
For long term storage however they are a meme, as HDDs have dozens of times longer shelf lives, as in you don't need to charge an HDD with electricity by turning it on every few months like you need to do with an SSD in order to stave off any loss of data due to how each device stores data.

SSDs are for work/boot/performance.
HDDs are for storage and that's that.
At best, you could argue that HDDs are also good for really high task shit like RSS Feeds that constantly cycle dense amounts of data, as the same would make an SSD burn to shit and lower its life expectancy drastically due to wear-out.
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>>51487853
Had this SSD since April this year. I think I use my computer more than you do lol
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>>51488156
Data rot. Just depends on the drive
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>>51488730
I see.
130MB\s read and write is still fast tho
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I see the 850 Evo has dropped to €81.50.
Seems like a steal for that price. Worth it?
Inb4 >tlc
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>>51484543
My upgrade is bigger than yours
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>>51482750
>There is a new Magician a soluble that allows you to use rapid mode in Windows 10 now.
Oh shit, thx for the PSA. I've been using the old version to get rapid mode.
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>>51486659
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>>51485449
Cpu performance usually doesn't bottleneck the ssd. The main problem is an old laptop not having sata 3.
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>>51486983

Hey. Grandpa. Do you research.

Transfer rate on RAID 0 arrays is comparable to SSD performance, but access time on SSDs will always be at least 100 times greater than and HDD array.
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>>51487400
SSD will keep data for at least a year at normal temperatures. Longer the colder it is.
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>Crucial M500 480GB
9054 hours on
5.1TB written
99%

>Samsung 850 EVO 500GB
2511 hours on
1.6TB written
100%

Both are used as main&only drives in the systems. By this rate I'm more likely to replace them because there's new faster shit, than because they ran out of writes. I still have a 64GB Crucial M4 put away in an old laptop I use occasionaly, that still has something like 80% health, after all these years. You know what IS a meme? SSD endurance being a problem at all for home users.
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>>51489133
Sata 2 does bottleneck an SSD.
Luckily the 95% of performance you retain is more than enough. Oh no, it's only 900% as fast as a HDD instead of 950%
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>>51482750
I really don't see a point in getting one, as my computer boots in seconds already. My programs load just as fast.
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>>51489301

What exactly does "health" mean here? An overall decrease in performance or just how close you are from getting a read-only drive?
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>>51489369
A rough estimate of writes left. Afterwards what you get is a read-only drive and then it dies.
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>>51489301
same for me, i suspect i will replace it with a 1TB ssd when they are a bit better value or just wait until i can get NVMe or something super fast
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>>51482750
>listened to /g/

Top kek
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>>51487514
Where do you get 4TB for 80 $ ?
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>>51487853
I have my 850 evo since February and I'm sitting on 4 TB of writes. fml
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>>51488973
YES OR NO?
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>>51489607
how?
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>>51489681
I don't know. How can you be on so few? I even disabled swapping.
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so a 250 gigabyte is up for 80 dollarydoos on amazon. is that a good deal or should i wait for thanksgiving deals for better
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>>51482779
>Who actually sits in front of their computer while it boots?
You wouldn't even manage to position yourself on the chair before your PC boots with a SSD.
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>>51489885
>This
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>>51482750
>he fell for the SSD is a meme meme
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>>51489784
you might land one for $60 - $70 but $80 is a great deal.

i remember paying $300 for my first 120gb ssd.

just got a new samsung 850 evo 250gb m.2 for $75 at frys by price matching.

i just want to point out, if your primary usage is for games, write speeds don't matter much. read speeds matter the most.

>steam games installation
your write speed is your download speed since steam installs while it downloads
>optical drive installation
your write speed is your optical drives read speed.
>usb installation
your write speed is as fast as the usb device and interface read speeds

>tldr
your write speed can only go as fast as the read speed of the medium you're coping from. let it be internet, same drive, or another drive.

even as a boot drive i would focus more on read speeds than write speeds.

i do have four ssds myself and i rarely copy stuff from ssd to ssd. i just use one as my boot drive and the other three as game storage. i have two 4tb hard drives for long term storage and all my personal stuff like music and videos.
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>Fuck you guys that said an SSD was just a meme.
/g/ always praises SSD's.

>Its one of the best purchases I made so far.
Really? Better than you dedicated GPU? Better than your i5?

I ended up buying my first SSD (850 evo or whatever) a few months after the rest of my system. It's nice, but it's not as amazing as people made it out to be.

Although maybe if I went back to using an HDD I'd notice a huge difference.
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>>51487354
just get a 250gb SSD with OS installed and other essential programs and a 1tb HDD for everything else. you should not just rely on a flash drive.
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>>51490239
>Really? Better than you dedicated GPU? Better than your i5?

Not that anon but CPUs and GPUs have been getting iterative updates since forever. The immense improvements in response times of an SSD over HDD was a very big thing. Whilst caching on modern operating systems is very good if you have enough ram, there's still enough performance gained across all types of usage I feel.
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>>51487612
no problems here. what kind of cpu do you have? when you are downloading a game off steam, its also extracting and installing at the same time.
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>>51490239
i'm
>>51490048

having four ssd's, and been using them since 2009, i can easily say, a dedicated gpu and faster cpu is more important than a ssd if you're on a tight budget.

most people i see here than say ssd's are a meme are usually ones that are talking about budget strapped individuals.

a ssd won't magically increase your frames by an additional 20fps. a ssd won't increase your fps by 2. but a gpu and cpu would.

honestly only game i can think off the top of my head that saw somewhat of a decent increase was arma 2 and that was because the way the game loaded and streamed textures.

a ssd is just the "cherry" on top. its the finisher. it makes everything feel more fluid and thats because of its near zero latency and read speeds. games loading up in 4 seconds vs 20. system feeling overall more snappy because of near zero latency.

but if you're on a budget a cpu, gpu, and even ram are more important things to budget around than a ssd. get a ssd later.
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>>51490498
I upgraded from a 1st gen APU laptop to an i5 + 660 ti, so those two things were a bigger deal to me than the SSD.

But I didn't think of it from the perspective of someone who already had used a good CPU/GPU for years and years before getting their first SSD. That makes sense, thanks.
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>>51489885

How much do you weigh?
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>>51489664
get it or 2
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How the fuck do people manage so many host writes? My SSD boot drive is almost 4 years old and without caring about it in any special way (I even have a swap file on it) I'm around 20TB host writes.
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>>51490239
>Really? Better than you dedicated GPU? Better than your i5?

i built it not too long ago with an i5 and 970. upgrading to a skylake wouldn't give a boost like adding an SSD. i also recently added 8gb more ram to a total of 16gb. dont notice a difference except for when shitty programmed games or chrome have memory leaks.

so yea, once you have a decent PC, the biggest upgrade you can do is adding a SSD.
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>>51490527
for a laptop a ssd is a huge performance upgrade. not just for performance, but also battery life.
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>>51490877
>for a laptop a ssd is a huge performance upgrade.
which is restating

>a ssd is just the "cherry" on top. its the finisher. it makes everything feel more fluid and thats because of its near zero latency and read speeds. games loading up in 4 seconds vs 20. system feeling overall more snappy because of near zero latency.

>but also battery life.
only to a degree.

what i find more appealing for a laptop is not just ditching that 5200 - 5400rpm laptop drive for a speedier ssd, but its lack of moving parts in a device meant to be moved around.
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>>51482750
>believing everything you see on the internet.
Dumbass
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>>51490527
Disagree. If you're a /v/irgin that mostly cares about "muh games" then an SSD won't really matter. If you do anything else in addition to gaming, like use some kind of office suite, Adobe suite, Multisim, compile large codebases use git on large repos etc then an SSD will greatly improve productivity.
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>>51490048
Yeah right now the Internet is the biggest bottleneck of any device. Can't believe we're still using copper fucking wires in 2015.
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>>51490936
so you disagree with the very thing you said?

>Disagree. If you're a /v/irgin that mostly cares about "muh games" then an SSD won't really matter. If you do anything else in addition to gaming, like use some kind of office suite, Adobe suite, Multisim, compile large codebases use git on large repos etc then an SSD will greatly improve productivity.

>>51490527
>a ssd is just the "cherry" on top. its the finisher. it makes everything feel more fluid and thats because of its near zero latency and read speeds. games loading up in 4 seconds vs 20. system feeling overall more snappy because of near zero latency.

its essentially the same very thing you said.

let alone my own topic, that you disagreed with, was primary talking about gaming.

thats zero
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>>51490942
it really is. even with gig connections at most your write speed would be 100mb a second.

to match the speed of sata 2 ssd's we would need 3gig connections.
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>>51490942
Nothing wrong with copper pairs, VDSL2 can reach 100Mbps or 200Mbps (depending on spectrum utilized), while at the same time having way better performance at peak hours compared to DOCSIS
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>>51490954
if you care about compile times then you would just create a tmpfs.

i have a 16gb tmpfs just for compiling. nothing compares to that sweet 21gb a second bandwidth

ram > *
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>>51491014
why would you even want to thrash a ssd with compiling anyways?
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>>51490527
For games: Gpu>Cpu>SSD
Doing anything else: SSD>Cpu>Gpu
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>>51490990
My ISP is being a piece of shit then.
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Got an MX200 250gb for $70 couple days ago, yesterday Newegg put it and the BX100 onsale but they sold out before I could see the prices. 850's were on sale too, but still like $80+ just for the 120gb one lel
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>>51483862
>health

I've had that figure jump around from 45-53% on drives that were 14 years old. Don't believe that shit.
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Anyone know of a good priced 500 gb SSD? Mainly using my 120 for essential programs. Games still run off my HDD
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>>51488794
what about deleting some chinese cartoons?
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>>51491480
are you eventually going to run games from ssd? also I'm curious if you play GTA from hdd, if so what kind of drive is it? I gathered from a few loading time "benchmarks" that people have made : old 5200rpm hdd takes 1min+, 7200rpm 16mb or higher cache is ~45s, and ssd depending on model (850 EVO vs generic) were ~30-40s to load on start.
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>>51491703
Yeah I want to run games off my ssd but don't want to fill it up too fast. Main hard drive is a WD blue 1 tb. Not bad.
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>>51491326
i got the 850 250gb one from amazon for $89 a month ago. are you sure you aren't looking at the evo pro or whatever version?
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>all memes are bad
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>>51492839

How long can an SSD go without power until the data vanishes?

Also does it all go poof at once or is it gradual?
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>>51492839
>longevity 3/10
>retaining data without power 0/10

You know, coupled with the price I have now lost all interests in SSDs.
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>>51488874
yes but HDD seek times are abysmal compared to SSD
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>>51482750
Meme doesn't mean it's bad OP.
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>>51488454
Don't defrag an SSD.
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Just grabbed a 850 Evo 250GB for 80 eurobux from amazon.de. Feels good. Now my thinkpad will finally be up to date.

Kinda considering getting one for my desktop as well, but the Plextor M5S 128GB in there still works fine and isn't full yet so there's not much point. Except for loading games on it but that's not worth the 80 euro.
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>>51482769
Your an idiot there android phones that are more expensive than iphones
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>>51487502
God I hate people who say tech sucks because they are to poorfag to afford it
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>>51482779
fucking retard
have you only pay attention to startup time?
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>>51493103
Don't listen to that modern ssds last almost as long as the average HDD and HDDs don't last forever without power either. SSDs can last like a month without power often more
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>>51492839
>longevity 3/10
>tfw lasting for 10 to 15 years under average use is worth a "3"
Goddamnit people are fucking retarded
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>>51493103
The chart is bullshit modern ssds easily last as long as decent HDDs like WD blue and the speed is worth it anyway
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>>51492722
Maybe youre right, the 250 is $79 now on there and 120gb is $67. I probably was looking at marked down Pro's. Either way tax and shipping is gay.
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>SSDs losing data if they go a few days without power

what is this retarded meme? nobody would buy an SSD if this was true
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>>51495083
try it for yourself idiot, theres nothing physical on the ssd to record data, if the cmos battery on the ssd dies so does the data.
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>>51495112

and who the fuck would make and sell a storage device that loses all its data in a matter of days, dumbass?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2921590/death-and-the-unplugged-ssd-how-much-you-really-need-to-worry-about-ssd-reliability.html
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This whole data retention business refers to storing an SSD in a shelf or some shit, right? If you leave it in the PC and said PC is plugged will it still fuck up if you don't turn the PC for like several months?
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>>51492839
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive

>As of 2014, most SSDs use NAND-based flash memory, which retains data without power. For applications requiring fast access, but not necessarily data persistence after power loss, SSDs may be constructed from random-access memory (RAM). Such devices may employ separate power sources, such as batteries, to maintain data after power loss.[4]

anyone care to explain? is everyone's opinion in here just outdated?
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>>51496024
>is everyone's opinion in here just outdated?

some people here still think that your ssd will run out of write cycles if you do anything other than booting windows from it so
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>>51495112
See
>>51496024
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>>51492839
>>51493103
Fucking samefag. Stop spreading lies.
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>>51496024
>flash memory
Flash memory uses captured electrons to store data. These electrons want to escape, and over time, as the cell wears down, they will, as nothing is truly non-conductive. The higher the temperature, the faster this will happen, with even as little as 1 week at 50 Celsius before they start leaking. Operational temperature also plays a role, as electrons flow with less resistance at higher temperatures, and thus reduce cell wear. Ideally, you'd operate an SSD at warm temperature, and store at cool. So if you're going on vacation, you should store all flash devices in a sealed bag in the fridge, else an unconditioned summer room could cause data corruption in a couple weeks.
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>>51489947
Kek
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>>51496188
Why would my SSD be stored at 50 degrees celsius?
>http://www.pcworld.com/article/2921590/death-and-the-unplugged-ssd-how-much-you-really-need-to-worry-about-ssd-reliability.html

> It highlights a non-operational, ambient temperature of 87 degrees Fahrenheit as the cause of failure in data retention in client-side (consumer) SSDs after only a year. Notice that’s not a few days. If you store your SSD someplace that averages 72 degrees Fahrenheit, a far more likely scenario, you’re talking two-years-plus according to this table.

Two years, hell, even one year is way more than enough time to keep you safe from data loss isn't it?
I really doubt the 1 week shenanigans. if SSDs were so problematic they wouldn't sell.
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>>51487502
Same here. Let me know when I can get a 1 TB SSD for $100.

I'm not poor either, I'm just really cheap.
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>>51496239
Yes, there's no problem for the average user. But then what about for storage and general archival? You've got these consumer SSDs coming out at 1TB+, and for what? Any data stored one wishes to keep on there has to be eventually transferred to HDDs or some other magnetic storage anyway.
>>51496239
>f SSDs were so problematic they wouldn't sell
No, you've got it wrong. Flash storage itself is problematic, storing electrons like that just is. They wouldn't sell if they had this as a big WARNING on all their products.
>I really doubt the 1 week shenanigans
That data is from Intel itself. It may be different for other manufactures, but not by much since it all involves limitations of flash storage. It's unrealistic, like a worst-case scenario for such temperatures to happen, but it still can occur long term unless you keep any and all SSDs powered on frequently. I'm just left wondering what's going to happen as SSDs get cheaper, and start piling up with data. Old HDDs still retain data years after, just mechanical aspects of them are subject to failure. But SSDs, well they'll just turn into bricks left unpowered, and yet the technology is being pushed as 100% superior to magnetic storage.
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>>51496239
Yeah, I'm finnish and I would experience my own data loss in +50°C, nevermind the SSD. Very unlikely that my SSD would see those temperatures while being turned off for a week.
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>>51496401
there are definitely holes in the plot I agree.
However as u said, no danger for the average user..and i'm fairly sure there will be some kind of new technology that will allow us to get the archivability of HDDs along with the speed of SSDs fairly soon.As soon as the problem of really needing archivable SSDs comes up, for that matter.
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