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So why do you care that ms collects data on Win10? Are you from Syria?

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So why do you care that ms collects data on Win10? Are you from Syria?
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>>51457954
>google
Enjoy your botnet.
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great question.
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>>51457988
nice dubs
>bump
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Why is he confiscating the entire thing when the drive / ram would suffice? Germans are literally stupid.
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No but I sure don't want M§ to know I'm into incestuous furry hentai.

OP I bet you're hiding your porn collection too.
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This pic just made me come up with an idea.
If you put a handwritten note on the tower that says this computer has a bomb in it, then bomb squad will destroy all your data for you!
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>>51458015
no, tech iliteraltes are literally stupid.

Through history, Germans have been the best engineers in the world

>git good fgt
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>>51458046
>best engineers in the world
That would be the Scots.
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>>51458022
I don't really watch porn, and when I do, I don't leave footprints by idolizing webms
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>>51458024
The state the world is in right now, you should tots go for it brotendo
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I am not open to disclosing every word I type into my personal computer being scrutinized by some amerikek who has no right to survey or monitor my activities as I have done nothing wrong, so why are you watching me ?

I take it you will say it's all being monitored anyway but if you learned a bit about subterfuge, and how the Internet works you could figure it out for yourself instead of making threads on Japanese image boards senpai
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>>51458016
why do u post these? is there a joke I'm missing?
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>>51458022

Everyone at google already knows
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>>51457954

youtube.com/watch?v=TiW-BVPCbZk
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>>51458109
wew, lad
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>>51457954
Actually, yes.
I am from Syria.
Not worried about data Win 10 collects though.
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>>51457954
If phone tapping is illegal, planting cameras is illegal, why is this legal? Nothing to hide, nothing to fear is bullshit spouted and believed by retards
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>>51458176
>knowing the trivial files I store on my computer is illegal if it is only used if the find something relating to terrorism

OK. Also phone tapping and planting cameras is illegal if they are used to by civilians to spy on people, not the government.

If you don't like it then go to Antarctica or some uninhabited island.
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>>51457954
We already have a thread about this issue right now
>>51456471
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>>51457954
>/g/ - Microsoft Salesman Society
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>>51458334
The more threads, the better. We need to raise awareness.
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>>51458298
Protip: "the government" are just normal people like us. There is NO REASON to let them control us except when they want to control us. Do you want to be controlled?
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>>51458414
Yeah i'm a submissive bitch
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>51458390
A
Anyone who cares already knows this
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>>51458381
If you don't like it then just leave. We get mula and you get nothing, whiny lil bitch
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>>51458414
If you don't like it then stop whining like a lil bitch, stop playing with your Anonymous tree house friends, run for president/PM and change the policy.
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>>51457954
First of all to collect your data, they use your data plans (if you have a limited amount per month, this has been increasingly applied by ISPs) to upload your documents, info, behaviour, settings, etc.
Second, this data can include your passwords, credit card info, bank account info, messages you send to people, pictures you take, scripts/code you write; this last meaning if you ever come up with a new idea for an app or a breakthrough program/service, microsoft already has it and theres a potential it already has been sold over to some third party company
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Why would I use something that spies on me when I can use something that doesn't spy on me?
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>>51458469
Most politicians who we believe have much influence seem to be just puppets
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>>51458414
>>51458514
Aw, it must suck for you to.live on earth.

Maybe you should an hero?
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>>51458532
How would that help me?
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>>51458485
>could

But no proof. You niggas just like drama
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>>51458543
You wouldn't have to live in a world where people who actually impact the work "control" us
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>>51458569
>>51458543

>work
*World
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>>51458549
They have the full right to do so according to their eula. If it ever comes out that they did it would be too late.
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>>51458046
>>git good fgt
>>>/9gag/
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I don't even like to give straight answers to stuff like "what's up" and "what are you doing". You really think I'm okay with someone seeing what's on my computer?

>Syria
wow man nice that's so current
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>>51458581
Then copy and paste this part of the eula that says this instead of talking needlessly

Even if it does, see
>>51458298

Why do you care the government has your passwords? Did you think the internet had no connections to the real world before Snowden blew his whistle? Sad family
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>>51458569
Wtf is mizzou?
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>>51458642
>being this autistic

Where is your last safe space, anon?
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>>51458046
>Germans have been the best engineers in the world
They do make great ovens
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>>51458663
Autism is like the opposite of SJW shit. Keep your memes in order, senpai.
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>>51458569
I don't get this comic. The liberals are stepping on liberals?

>>51458650
A college
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>>51458663
Your safe space is obviously a designated shitting street, shill.
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>>51458691
Sounded like some Greek snack
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They are making a profile. All your data, your keystrokes, ip addresses you connect to, data you send, they collect it and analyze it all through neural networks. This way they can create a huge set of parameters that, even though the engineers don't have to understand the correlation between the input data, make it possible to simulate your behavior. This will get more and more precise the more data they harvest.

Second step, they now can emulate you, so they can start to test. How large, where, which and when are ads displayed within the OS so that Microsoft can generate an optimum amount of cash? How expensive can they offer certain products so that you pay exactly the maximum you're willing to pay? How many subtle hints to buy Coca Cola can Microsoft feed your brain so that you aren't conscious of the advertising but still get as much as possible influenced by it? These are the kind of questions the neural network will be able to answer. You will systematically lose mind games with your OS: the more data you feed, the worse your life will be.
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>>51458691
Fake liberals (hippies) stepping on liberals
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>>51458714
Nice comeback
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>>51458729
Nice copy pasta autist
>>51458690
My bad senpai
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>>51458773
>Fake liberals
Ha
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>>51458647
https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/

OP asked why I should care, I gave more than enough reasons why anyone should.

The government could get the info if they required need to it, not just get it handed over on a silver plate by microsoft, and the other data being sold to third parties.
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>>51458917
Sigh, saw this in another thread

Mate, unless either of us are clebs, or international politicians, you shouldn't care

The world has 8billion+ people, why do you care that the government has the password to your bang bros account?

You're literally one of those tumblr special.snowflakes
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>>51459051
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>>51459108
Well considering that the college fags that cry for their free speech have retarded arguments in the first place, you might have a point

I don't care about free speech for all these black lives/all lives/ sjw fags that have retarded views on maters they have no control of

Free speech used to be Castro standing behind a podium telling people that American Capitalism has no place in Cuba if it means dirtying up their streets and taking away land from their own people

It used to be MLK telling people why a black.man is no different from.a white man

Now it's faggots like you giving redundant arguments on why you're special enough to have a reason why the government can't get your passwords or files if they suspect you to be someone that wants to see the world burn.

If collecting peoples' passwords and data means that they can finally put an end to ISIS, B.Haram and Al Queda then fucking do it.

You think that the government cares that you watch CP on 4cham m8?
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>>51459246
Even if they don't care about a thing now, they could just blackmail you in 20 years with it.
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>>51459108
But let's tackle another issue, your such a worthless sheep that you need to take a pic of a quote from some nigga to make a point.

Even if the 2 points are non relatable. If you have nothing of worth to say then why say it? Showing you rage for a company collecting your data on a Japanese image board won't change the world.

You dense faggot
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>>51458015
>implying any other police force in any country does not confiscate the entire thing because they are all tech illiterates
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>>51459282
>>51459246
Also I'm not the anon who you were talking to before
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>>51459278
For what? Enlighten me why the US government would want to blackmail a black Caribbean guy.

And if they blackmailed me, it would be because I slept with their daughters.
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>>51459246
>If collecting peoples' passwords and data means that they can finally put an end to ISIS, B.Haram and Al Queda then fucking do it.
It sure has been helping, as we have seen recently.
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>>51459294
Doesn't matter, you still have a retarded hashtag meme mind

>we got his hard drive
>*shows a psu*
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>>51459051
why do you not care about your privacy?
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>>51459313
No shit, because Linux exists. Aren't you happy for freedom, anon?

>if you're a crab in a bucket, what do you do? Do you give up because you're at the bottom, or fight your way to the top?
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>>51459321
Because all I care about is writing programs, reading books, watching movies or shows, reading manga and playing games on my computer

I don't have blueprints for a bomb, 3d-printer AR, I don't have a CP or rape fetish, I don't kill people and store records of them.om my computer, I don't launder money, I don't evade taxes nor do I belong to a terrorist or mafia group
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>>51459376
fucking normie
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>51459334
Wait, the terrorists used Linux?
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>>51459409
What else would they use? Linux based distros and I guess temple OS are the only safe spaces for m'freedumbs
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>>51459442
>What else would they use?
The only thing I've heard is that they used disposable dumbphones during the Paris attacks. Do you have any sauce about Linux?
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>>51457954
Because I fucking care.
I fucking care about having control over my own PC and not having a mysterious force watch my every move every moment of the day.

I can't fix this problem on my smartphone, I either join the Apple botnet or the Google botnet. I can fucking fix this with my PC.
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>>51459494
Oh, so do terrorist not use computers at all? OK well don't listen to me. I don't know how to exercise logic nor individual thinking

>do terrorist actually believe Mohamed would approve of what they're doing? I'll need a link for proof
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>>51459497
Then maybe you should an hero? Because you can't do anything about it besides feeling good on placebo
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>>51459376
i don't have any of those things either, but that doesn't mean i don't need privacy. the "i have nothing to hide" mentality is flawed, because it implies one doesn't care about intimite thoughts and feelings and a sense of private space, where one can choose to whom they give what kind of information. to loose this privacy is not only a terrible thing in principle, but also a dangerous thing for society, as it makes people numb and keeps them from raising their voices.
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>>51459497
The prerequisite of freedom is safety. All that's being asked is metadata so that the proper authorities can investigate and stop an imminent threat from taking place. The vast majority of people will be unaffected those with ill intentions will be sweating under the collar. Basically, you're just a random. You aren't relevant to anything so just go about your life.
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>>51459549
Between disabling the applications, regedit what you need to disable some other bits, peerblocking most of the MS and Akamai servers, and hosts file.. you can certainly limit by a great deal.
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>>51457954

>le nothing to hide nothing to fear meme

LOOK MA! I POSTED IT AGAIN!
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>>51459581
>The prerequisite of freedom is safety.
Disagree.
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>>51457954
Don't have a solid reason, I'm not Muslim, I'm not deemed a terrorist. Still dislike how they want control over my information, and when they get it they can sell it. I guess that's one of the reasons, even after buying their shit, we're still cash cows to them.
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>>51459532
>Oh, so do terrorist not use computers at all? OK well don't listen to me. I don't know how to exercise logic nor individual thinking
Jesus fucking Christ, I just asked for a source. Why are you getting this butthurt for no reason?
And, please explain, how can you use "logic and individual thinking" to learn what software the terrorists used?
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>>51459581
>>you're just a random
>he doesn't know how much meta data can tell about you
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>>51457954
You can not care about botnet only if you are playing games on a computer.
So ,yes that explains everything.
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>>51457954
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>>51459565
>flawed because it implies one doesn't care about intimate thoughts and feeling and a sense of a private space
>implying
>define based on context: caring what people on 4chan/unimportant college brats think about my personality

Oh, so I should consider my computer to be my girlfriend else I myself am a robot with no feelings?

Wtf has Snowden done to this generation? I care about people not seeing me wash myself or people my mother hearing dirty comvos between girls, but not the government knowing that I like to read about big people eating little people on a manga.

>using whom in wrong context

M8, I really hope.you're b8in
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>>51458015
>>51458046
>>51459291
I think it's more to do with it being easier to pick up the computer and put it in the van rather than find a screwdriver and play geek squad...
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>>51459642
Define buthurt. Because all I'm telling you is to find a sense of deduction
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>>51459565
then that's a flawed understanding of what NSA/Google/Microsoft do with your data

They don't read it and spread it anywhere, they don't care about your love interests, your fetishes, they don't care about your dick pics or anything you wouldn't tell anyone of your friends because it's very emotional to you or something

they don't have the man power to do such things
they just can't
you'd need 3 people in an 8 hour shift to do that for one single person

that's entirely not what any company does that's "spying" on you
they just, if at all, save your shit for a couple days, some program checks your pictures for CP and your texts for hidden terror threads and then they delete it

no one will ever go "LOL YOU SEXTED THAT DUDE ON KIK XD" on your facebook wall

I'm not a fan of it either but there are worse thing in the world right now and some people just complain about the wrong things
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>>51459704
Can I send an award to you? Whats your address?

Your service to a Japanese board should be recognized
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>>51459581

Metadata is everything though. It's who you talk you, how long you talk to them, where you go, whose around you when your out, what you buy, where you buy from, who you email and the subject of the email. The United States government assassinates people based on their metadata in Afghanistan.

Not only that, but it isn't just the metadata. Look at a x-keyscore: under that program they are scanning everything that is sent over the internet. Two years ago it was capable of scanning email attachments to see if a certain company's logo was in it.

Worse of all: every objective entity that has looked at it has determined that it has stopped exactly ZERO attacks. In fact, a number of experts contend that mass surveillance makes it harder to focus on and find terrorists.
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>>51459334
ISIS has openly said they don't use any form of encrypted or special care into their data security. they just use openly available, easy access methods like whatsapp, telegram and psn.
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>>51459775
This
>>51459784
>people on earth actually do things that shock normies
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>>51459803
>whatsapp
>psn

This thread needs some humor, thanks
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>>51459775

You're wrong. They do abuse their access. According to the Inspector General, there were 2,776 abuses in the Fort Meade area in 2013 alone.

It's not that they are looking through individual data streams, they are connecting the dots between your facebook, GPS location, bank records, and emails.
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>>51459779
Don't worry, your very own award from the butthurt committee is already on its way!
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>>51459848

In that report, there were 10 cases of NSA analysts spying on lovers: trolling through their bank records, texts, phone calls, phone content, emails.
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Knowledge is power
The more someone knows about you, the more control they have over you.
Who has the power to influence you most? The people that know you, that's who.
The power to influence your opinions and beliefs could easily be used to influence public opinion, elections and government policy.

-anon a is a scientific thinker, anon a gets exposed to scientific studies supporting desired policy
-anon b is paranoid, anon b gets exposed to paranoid reasons to support desired policy.
-anon c is racist and gets exposed to info on how desired policy will be good for their race

No one should have that kind of power, not any heartless corporation, government or even someone benign and trusted.

People should program computers, not be programmed by them.

>inb4 tin foil hat
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>>51458015
They have to. It's all evidence and tampering with it is a crime.
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>In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution. - Thomas Jefferson
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>>51459865
>assuming I'm buthurt knowing I'm not autistic special snowflake

M8, I'm just here for the fun ;) have fun mastubating to fantasies of me being a fat buthurt fellow, though
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>>51459848
>people making investigations can't link people to multiple sources of malicious activity

If you want to live in heaven, be an hero
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>>51459947

i came
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>>51457954

When I was a kid, my mom would go through my things occasionally, under the pretense of cleaning my room for me. Sometimes she would find contraband or "questionable" materials, for example a polaroid of my girlfriend topless, furry handcuffs that we would use, etc. But my mom wouldn't let on that she found anything.

She would only let it slip during fun-filled, holiday family get-togethers much later on. "Oh well you know what *I* found in anon's room once..." <uproarious laughter>

To this day, snooping and invasions of privacy bug the absolute shit out of me. My wife knows to not open my mail, even my junk mail. All of my devices are of course password protected, and the thought of someone going through my things makes me absolutely itch. I don't care if all I have to hide is my boring browsing history and a grocery list...it's the principle of it.

So the Windows 10 with its telemetry feature is maddening to me. I absolutely refuse to use it. As it is I have to use Windows 8, and it's become a hobby of mine to VM it and lock it down completely.
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if you retards bothered to read the fucking kb's you would realize they are getting info about uac escalations.

if you think all of your fucking keystrokes are being sent back to them every 15 minutes you are a fucking moron
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I really don't give a shit. There's nothing that makes me more interesting than anyone else getting their data collected, and with only a limited amount of manpower there's no way the government is combing through the life or data of someone like me.
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>ITT fellow members of Anonymous
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>>51460410
Well every Windows had telemetry so nobody cares, and also having an internet connection is already living in the botnet.
Even encrypted data might be safe now, but what in 10 years or maybe less years.
NSA happly saves hard drives that are encrypted or even data that goes encrypted over the web, who knows.
Ofcourse you can use tools such as VPNs and TOR but that still isn't safe out of the box.
Logging into your e-mail adress with tools on you already gave your identity away, alot of people can't be bothered to seperate their online life in 2 pieces so using that all is for nothing if you make 1 mistake.
Tbh data collection happends in real life too examples ( ID's, passports, your sign, work, school, on documents from gov, insurance, lincenses, banks , work services, smartphones, subscriptions)
Without internet or being registerd somewhere you can't live normally in the western world.
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I am still using Windows 7. Should I even bother "upgrading" to W8 or W10?
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>>51459916
Spoilers : schools are the best way to legally get information of students, every student has a big ass report of this school carreer and behaviour ect, we talk about online but we forget that real life data collection is way worse, and you can evade particually online data collection ( if you put effort into it) but you can't evade real life data collection because that would mean no school no job no money no house.
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>>51460842
In this case that would also mean no windows, meaning no computer for a lot of people.
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>>51459775
I think you have the wrong idea entirely.

Imagine living in a country where, to protect them of course, citizens are aggressively monitored at all times. How would monitoring citizens keep them safe? detected dissidents would be removed from society to be "reconditioned", "indefinitely detained" or "disposed of". Obviously non dissidents would enjoy a life of peace and serenity, but who the hell do you think decides what a "dissident" is?

One day in this utopia, somebody links watching anime to dissident behavior, A list of all those who have ever exhibited interest in anime is compiled with ease and potential "abhorrents" are screened. Others question the validity of the link between anime and societal doom and start a discussion with the authority about this. Their arguments do not hold up, and they too are rounded up(luckily there is a record of anybody who has ever defended "watchers of anime")

Imagine living in this country, in perpetual fear that at some point in the future some interest you have had, some collection of interests, something you once said or typed, a book you once read, a game you once played, a movie you tried to buy was linked to dissident behavior and you too were labeled as a menace to society. Would you question the authority, knowing full well that doing so was a risk to your continued survival?

Do you think very much knew would be discovered in this country? where, in order to protect the other citizens, every new idea and concept has to be vetted by a relevant authority. Do you think anyone would write interesting books, or make good movies or games where doing just such a thing might be deemed jeopardising to public safety?

I don't even know how to describe how sinister a thing it is for a multi million dollar COMPANY to enforce what amounts to corporate espionage on private citizens to protect the interest of other COMPANIES.
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>>51461192

Well put, anon. And that's just a single application of regional or planetary surveillance. Really the possibilities are the stuff of nightmare fuel:
- monitoring and blackmail of political opponents, representatives, politicians
- sending leads to local law enforcement to pressure "fringe" groups
- monitoring effectiveness of propaganda
- monitoring and enhancing censorship
- measuring effectiveness of "social control" programs
- suppressing leaks & whistle blowing
- corporate espionage, theft of R&D for companies that partner with government

Omnipresent surveillance is literally a super weapon for oppressive governments. And its power is so great and intoxicating, that it's difficult to imagine how it wouldn't corrupt presently liberal regimes.

"Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
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>>51458005
>nice dubs
>>/b/
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>>51458015
Fucking cunt. Encrypted data sometimes can be only opened on that same machine. Simple to take the whole then boot up then to crack system codes and then tamper with the drive to think it is at home.
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>>51459775
Pretty much sums up my thoughts

It's a massive invasion of privacy and I don't agree with it at all, but there are more important things to worry about. Just don't be a crazy Syrian and no one cares.
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>>51459376
And you don't torrent/infringe copyright either, right? Because Windows 10 sends all your info to anti-piracy groups for future lawsuits
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>>51461830
Most disingenuous shit I've ever heard. It's like you've never heard of big data, or noticed how hard drive capacity skyrocketed to where it is now (where it's kind of plateauing).

Nowadays Google, etc, have enough capacity to store your data forever. Believe it or not, humans are not socially productive enough to outpace the rate of growth of hard drive capacity.

They don't have to have people monitor you 24/7. Just file everything in a big hash table. Sort and search, motherfucker.
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>>51462101
Search and sort by what? Keyword: "funny fetishes"? Then they're going to post it all on normiebook for the internet to laugh at you?

Again, I think it's a huge invasion of privacy but as it stands and with nothing being done about it (as far as I know, I'm not a US citizen) you personally have nothing to worry about.

I don't agree with it, but everyone here should realize there's literally no one on this entire website important enough for the government to look twice at.
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>>51462230
>shilling this hard
I literally just pointed out that your data can be stored forever to be used against you.

>Keyword: "funny fetishes"?
That's possible, yes. Would you like to be on a list of people will furry fetishes?

>Then they're going to post it all on normiebook for the internet to laugh at you?
Is that your worst fear? You don't care about never being able to be employed in a future where this service is available on a pay-per-query basis due to your furry fetish?

>I don't agree with it, but everyone here should realize there's literally no one on this entire website important enough for the government to look twice at.
So we agree. Our government shouldn't be storing data for powerful entities to use to extort the public.

Thanks for playing.
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>>51462298
>State its a huge invasion of privacy and I don't agree with it
>FUKN SHILL!

>That's possible, yes. Would you like to be on a list of people will furry fetishes?
And if I was? What about the 5 bazillion other lists that people would be placed on? If your pay-per-query fantasy became true, LITERALLY no one would be getting hired. This won't happen. CAN happen, yes. WILL happen? No.

>So we agree. Our government shouldn't be storing data for powerful entities to use to extort the public.
Yes we agree, I thought that was obvious when I said "it's a huge invasion of privacy and I don't agree with it" you dip.

>Thanks for playing
Could you sound any more like an autistic redditor?
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>>51462384
>If your pay-per-query fantasy became true, LITERALLY no one would be getting hired.
Keep telling yourself that. I actually wouldn't mind, though. It would be nice to know of some mechanism that prevents child molesters from being employed anywhere. It would be a huge upgrade from weeding out only those who get caught.

>CAN happen, yes. WILL happen? No.
It already is happening.

>Yes we agree.
So you agree that it's a bad thing now? Funny, I thought your excusing it as "oh relax, nothing important of yours is being logged" was justification for its continuation.

>Could you sound any more like an autistic redditor?
The narwhal bacons at midnight desu senpai
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>>51462384

Not that anon. People have a fundamental, inalienable right to privacy. The burden isn't on citizens to prove why they need privacy. The burden is on the government to prove why they need to violate that privacy.

In modern societies that determination has always been on a case-by-case basis. The idea of general warrants was one of the reasons America fought a revolution. For the government to unilaterally determine that they aren't going to abide by the 4th ammendment should disturb us all. And to do so in secret should be grounds for treason.

These intelligence agencies are misguided in believing that they are solely tasked with protecting the geographic America, protecting American ideals and values should be just as important for them. This is the reason that soldiers, politicians, and intelligence officers all swear am oath to the Constitution, not the government.
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>>51462477
>So you agree that it's a bad thing now?

I have always agreed. It's not about the importance of the DATA being logged, it's the importance of the INDIVIDUAL.

Like I've said before, no one on this site, not a single person, is important enough. Everyone here likes to think they're important, but they're not. Their data is being logged, but no one gives a fuck about said data. They're not making a furry list, they're not making a foot fetishist list, they're not making a /g/ list.

There seems to be confusion that I am defending the NSA. I am saying that in light of the shitty circumstances, people can sleep a bit easier at night knowing that they themselves as individuals don't have too much to worry about.
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Fuck off, Microsoft.

Fuck off, NSA.

Report, don't reply.
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>Why do you care about your human rights.
GEE LOL I DONT KNOW

>>51462636
Both NSA and MS actively and PASSIVELY collect majority of the data (one majority of data of their OS users, one majority of data of the entire digital world).

THEY DONT NEED TO TARGET
YOU ARE BEING MONITORED
FROM THE GET GO
PASSIVELY

YOUR HUMAN RIGHTS ARE BEING BROKEN
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>>51462636

The problem with that thinking is what you're effectively saying is: don't make any trouble for the government and you'll be fine. The chilling effect this has on reform and revolution is not desirable.

The courts, the president's committees, and Congress have all concluded that these programs haven't stopped a single terrorist plot. The only thing that NSA points to is a case where a cab driver in San Diego made a $8500 contribution to ISIS.

If these programs don't stop terrorists, then you have to ask: why are these agencies fighting tooth and nail to save them? The answer is logical for anyone with even an elementary understanding of history.
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>>51462636
>I have always agreed. It's not about the importance of the DATA being logged, it's the importance of the INDIVIDUAL.
Wow, you are stupid. Go ahead and consider yourself unimportant and that all your shit can be logged because you're a kek.

You may have given up on your future but most people don't think this way.
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>>51462567
You still think they believe that they are doing it to protect whatever country ?
No , they exactly know why and what they are doing, just we already as man kind accepted it.
This whole data grabbing started way before 2001 but it started in real life.
But unless you use various proxies and non real information ( aliases ) then i doubt you should be worried.
But if you post on social media your shit it's entirely your own fault, the internet is not playgarden any more to throw personal information at.


Spoilers : OS's doesn't matter, they only use such attacks if you are a potential threat, if your using linux your still participating the botnet ( The Internet ) and now all social & government & taxes & insurance details are going into the cloud, it's alot more efficienter to log directly from the main pipes if you want mass data, and we can't control those lines ( you can control an OS tho )
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>>51462880

I'm not so willing to sacrifice the internet as you are. Crypto, properly implemented, is the key, not hiding under a rock. We fought this war successfully in the 90s, and we'll fight it again. I don't want to live in a world where every relationship, every purchase, every conversation, every movement is recorded and scrutinized by the entity that is supposed to be representing my interests.
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>>51462931
Oh yes, 90s was a way diffrent story then now, even if there are laws against it, they still gonna do it.
We already let it happen, and as soon as quantum computing takes it's first steps off anything that has been send is not safe anymore, there are simply not enough people caring what those agencys do prove me wrong.
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>>51458015
Not only for encryption reasons but cops are generally complete assholes, even if you are innocent good luck getting your shit back in a timely matter. If they take the whole thing it costs the person they raided more money to replace.
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>>51462931
To be honest, you should never trust / rely on crypto because there are always ways to exploit it.
Might be safe now, might have been safe last 20 years but we don't know if it's still safe 5 years from now on.
Trusting something is already a sign that your awareness is slacking off because you "think" it's safe but infact it isn't.
The internet isn't safe to put any trust in anything even if they are so much audited and whatever.
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>>51460410
>I don't care if all I have to hide is my boring browsing history and a grocery list...it's the principle of it.

/thread
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Seriously stop shilling windoze you faggot cunt
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>>51457954
I don't, because I'll never use it.
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>>51458053
>scots
literally who
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>>51457954

yes
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>>51457954
you are literally braindead
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>>51460733
OK, but do you really think the Utah data centre or equivalent is capable of caching mass-encrypted data without compression? (i.e. loss) No I don't think so. In fact even unencrypted stuff I doubt they are caching apart from the meta data unless you are a high ranking businessman or govt man, spy, terrorist etc. So basically a potential threat or asset.
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I dont care about ms botnet. I just hate how windows is rigid os. You cant customize a shit without struggle. Inability to make custom shortcuts makes me sad. Windows is for plebs...
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will micro$oft report me to the FBI if I have pirated games from the piratebay on my computer?
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>>51458729
I run Linux. Not not net here
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>>51466078
Depends. Are they microsoft games?
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>>51466341
no mostly AAA games
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>>51466078
>micro$oft
so edgy!
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>>51466358
> microsoft games are not AAA

Sure.
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>>51458015
That TPM tho.
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>inb4 Microsoft implements some Win10-only "feature" that is required for apps to run, thereby gradually phasing out Winxp/7/8 users who desperately cling to their "non-botnet OS's"

I give it a couple years before Microsoft step up the pace, and pro-actively push old OS's out the nest.
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>>51457954
>mint on notebook
>cyanogenmod on mobile phone
>I don't care about botnets
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>>51457954
>So why do you care that ms collects data on Win10

Don't really care about m$ but I'm afraid this data could be forwarded to to US and local agencies.


- pirate a lot and everything
- anti US stance
- pro Syria govt. stance
- pro Russia & slav brotherhood
- pro socialism
- someone could mistaken shit downloaded from 4chan for pedo and isis support
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>>51467351
It's in your hardware you fucking kek bypassing whatever retarded attempt you made. It's not like you even glanced at either of those code so likely there too. From your CPU to your wireless router. Your OS. Your fucking electricity can be used to find out what your doing. Look it up nigger.
>b-b-but anon everyone can see it! its been audited!
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>>51467505
>implies someone has interest in my data.
>implies this hypothetical gap that lets someone infect hardware is practical
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>>51459725
what modern set up requires a screw driver at all?

Thumb screws are standard on all cases now days.
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>>51466009
You think, but we don't know they probably have more datacenters.
When you don't know you are gonna asume the worst case scenario otherwise you already let you guard down.
With over 10billion a year ( estimated 2013 ) you can't really think you're safe.
And about snowden leaks there is huge tinfoil hattery around it, people get killed leaking such information & why doesn't he leak everything if it's all so important.
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>>51466078
they already did it
this is how they killed yify
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>>51458729
This guy is the only who gets it. That dataminig is not for policemen busting you, for your lolicon collection. Its just the jews trying to know you better to milk the biggest amount money they can from you by subtle manipulation.
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>>51458125
The law are such dicks who respond to shitty trolls all too easily.
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>>51458569
This irony is that Ben cries like a bitch when we edit his comics.
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>>51458690
>Autism is like the opposite of SJW shit.
not really
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>>51459246
>I don't care about free speech for all these black lives/all lives/ sjw fags that have retarded views on maters they have no control of
Wait, you don't want certain groups of people to have free speech?
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>>51457954
http://strawpoll.me/6065606/
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Telemetry captured osama bin laden
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>>51461951
Oh really? Yet here I am pirating every decent TV show, book and program under the sun and the government still doesn't care. You just gave proof on why your argument is redundant
>>51468970
No. Racism won't stop if you put a race on a pedestal and attack the opposite for the slightest of hints of pointing out differentiation. Some people are black, some are white, american white people have disgusting tendencies, black people have disgusting tendencies, and neither side will be happy unless they humble up. Which is something the American gene is unable to do.

SJWs have a similar problem, the things aren't an issue in most EU countries like Belgium, France and Netherlands, why do you think so?
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Why don't you walk around naked outside when it's hot, are you hiding weapons and bombs?
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>>51468378
So what? Jews have been looking for ways to make money for ages. What I want to know, is what you Anonymous/Anarchist/SJs/PC soldiers going to do
about it? Also, I've never seen ads in my start screen

>>51466078 why should they care? Because they don't for me, and in sure millions still download shit from tpb, the only story of someone getting incarcerated for torrenring was some britbong that came here saying he got fined for pirating Taylor Swift songs

>>51470349
Is this supposed to be some crafty alliteration to the subject? Are you literally on suicide watch gripping for you life? Well if you want an answer, its because I'm hairy af and people don't need to see that.

The difference between you retarded situation and the topic is that your friends and family doesn't see the books I read, the music and listen to nor the reaction images I download, just the government.

So, because the gov has my blood and knows that I'm half wolf, but not everyone knows.
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>>51460410
And it was anon's mom, she wouldn't turn him to cops if he broke or stole a bike or some public light to light up his weed.

MS isn't your mom and since years bath in tears of people doing something wrong because lulz and NSA pay check.
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>>51457954
let put it simply with history:
KGB had an eye on everybody, no matter what. You said something wrong, you were fucked, so no one speak.
You did something that displease some upper high? you are fucked too.
KGB had eyes in EU governement, able to push retartded shit (i.e Rainbow warrior bombing)

Now you take the KGB, take out the political aspect, crank their spying power to 14 and deal with the fact that so many people are giving infos by themselves about themselves. Welcome to Facebook and Microsoft world.
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>>51470634
>Hi I'm retarded and use sensible fleshed out arguments to show op of wrong
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does Reddit collect my data as well?
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>>51470658

He did use a fleshed out argument. Everyone knows you CANNOT trust a Russian. Not a single one.
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>>51459282
>You can't quote experts on the subject because you are sheep

Best advice here kids, never get lawyers, you are sheep, do justice your own way.
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>>51470868
>expert
>Snowden

On what? Privacy? Who need an expert to tell you what should be private, what should not, and how the government cares about your frivolous activities when they're just trying to protect you?
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>>51471007
>trying to protect you
Like what boston and Paris? It don't even work to rely only on technical intelligence.

ask them to get back to human intelligence, but wait, then government won't be able to keep everybody in check...
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>>51471355
>Paris

Since when is Paris a state of USA? I didn't know the NSA operates on France too

Also, maybe you should use Duolingo to brush up on your English?
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>>51457954
>build PC into desk or floor or something
>police raid
>they take the shitty tower you leave on your desk
>no incriminating evidence found
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The same reason I dont dance in the elevator when other people can see me, or the same reason why I dont sing in the show when other people can hear me. Also the same reason that I will only admit sining in the shower and dancing in elevators on an anon image board.
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>>51459051
amerikeks


so basically microsoft said i am gonna fuck you all on the ass even if you dont want


and the amerikek are happy of their new freedom
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>>51471411
you think the nsa operates exclusively within the USA? rofl
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>>51474506
Unless you have proof, more propaganda. Cmon mate, if you don't have anything sensible to say don't say it.
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>>51474354
Lol no shit. Dispute all this privacy infringement bullshit Americans still use all the botnets they're memeing. I mean, how the fuck hasn't this board made some effort to boycott internet yet?
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>>51475984
Are you retarded? Their primary purpose is to conduct foreign intelligence.
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>>51476052

That's their stated goal, but they intercept more American communications than Russian. They say this is "incidental" but they still query it.

As far as operating inside the US. They do and they've never argued otherwise. It's the CIA whose charter states they can't operate inside the US, though they still do.
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>>51476052
No it's not. Between cia, FBI, and NSA, who do you think "conducts foreign intelligence"
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>>51476572
No shit, I didn't say they don't operate inside the US, I said they don't operate *exclusively* inside the US.
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>>51467547
many cases still require drives to be screwed in though
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>>51476609
https://www.nsa.gov/about/index.shtml

"Our Signals Intelligence mission collects, processes, and disseminates intelligence information from foreign signals for intelligence"

https://www.nsa.gov/sigint/index.shtml

"SIGINT is intelligence derived from electronic signals and systems used by foreign targets, such as communications systems, radars, and weapons systems. SIGINT provides a vital window for our nation into foreign adversaries' capabilities, actions, and intentions.

NSA's SIGINT mission is specifically limited to gathering information about international terrorists and foreign powers, organizations, or persons."
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>>51476680

>foreign

The problem with this is that communications are considered foreign unless their is conclusive evident that states otherwise. Even then, those communications are held for 5 years, unless they're encrypted or a few other exceptions, then they're held forever.

This view is blind to the fact that donestic packets travel internationally all the time. An email from one domestic Gmail account to another will almost surely pass through Google's datacenter in Ireland, for example.
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>>51476680
>from foreign signals
>from a signal that comes from a foreign source
Learn English mate, if they get something from oversees to the US, they may intervene, else, its not their business
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>>51476798

I'm not thst anon, but that's the theory. If you look at the actual programs that isn't the way they operate. I don't understand how anyone can make these arguments after the Snowden leaks.
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>>51476901
Because it's all propaganda when you don't cite it. Simple.
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>>51477423
dipshit
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>>51477520
Freetards will defend that they're not brain dead.
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It seems like there would be such a liability for the police department to swat somebody that they would really check up on the legitimacy first.

I mean they cant just bust down your door and storm your house with a team of officers every time they get some anonymous tip. That leaves a gaping hole for harassment and discrimination lawsuits.
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