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Hello /g/

I'm building a pc for the first time since xp was new. was hoping that you could tell me if these specs were good enough to run fallout 4 on ultra. Pic related, the case I'm using.

Intel Core i7 4790K 4GHz Socket 1150 8MB L3 Cache Retail Boxed Processor

Corsair Hydro Series H75 Liquid CPU Cooler

Corsair CX850M Semi Modular 80 Plus Bronze Power Supply

MSI GTX 970 GAMING Twin Frozr V 4GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Graphics Card

Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x 4GB) 2133MHz DDR3 Red Heatspreader Memory Kit
X2 (I'll be useing two lots to make 16gb)

Seagate SSHD 2TB 3.5" SATA Desktop Solid State Hybrid Drive

MSI Z97 GAMING 3 Socket 1150 VGA DVI HDMI DisplayPort 7.1 Channel Audio ATX Motherboard

This is what I'm going to put together and it would be great to get some advice. Tyvm.
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Just wait for Pascal. I know people always say to wait but this time it should actually be worth it.
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>>51426275
>>51426275
pascal?
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>>51426287

Nvidia's next line of cards. The 900 series is a bust. Plus there's supposedly some pretty big performance gains. Even if they turn out to be shit the prices for the 980 Ti might be lower by then.
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>>51426275
just looked and although it would be great. price wise and timing is terrible. Tyvm though.
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>>51426319
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price is a big issue though. 250 is basically the budget. I'll have a look now
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>>51426322
change i7 to i5
I heard Corsair PSU are unreliable, go with EVAG
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>>51426348
but isn't the base ghz better on i7?
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>>51426373
it is by 0.5 also it has hyperthreading, but games aren't heavly dependent on a CPU, its not worth the money for an i7
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>>51426348
also changed it to the EVAG :D
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>>51426389
Also only get it if you are multi tasking, if not then don't
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>>51426389
true but I was hoping to use 3d modeling and multiple software at once.... also 3rd party stuff for *ackhem* Cheating.
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>>51426412
Yeah I multi task a lot.
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other than that is there any deal breakers with the build? Tbh my budget is only 1000 pounds.
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>>51426468
If you do 3D modeling, you won't expect to get a cheap pc, also you can change your HDD
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>>51426319
unfortunately that will have to be next years upgrade.
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>>51426245

>Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x 4GB) 2133MHz DDR3 Red Heatspreader Memory Kit X2 (I'll be useing two lots to make 16gb)

Get 2 sticks of 8GB instead, 4 sticks could make your cpu imc unstable at 2133Mhz, and you would be fucked if you wanted to go 32GB for any reason

>Corsair CX850M Semi Modular 80 Plus Bronze Power Supply

If you are not planning to SLI just go for a 600w PSU, usual trusted brands are Seasonic, XFX, Corsair, EVGA
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>>51426514
Don't do it yet but hope to learn. Also how come? Is the HDD not worth it?
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Yeah you wanna include a ssd in that build.
No hybrid does not count.
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>>51426526
already changed the PSU and yeah my idea was to SLI in the future. Changing the RAM now.
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>>51426539
you can get a cheaper 2 TB HDD, if you go hybrid you might as well go the solid state
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>>51426549
Only reason I went for the hybrid is for price and the storage..... I have a lot of shit to save.

>>51426526
sorted.
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>>51426568
Good point.
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You really don't need i7, you're paying extra for something that's not going to improve your gaming performance. I recommend a i5 4690k for best performance for your money
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>>51426526
I'm not OP but would there be any issues with 4 sticks @ 1866?
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>>51426643
No.
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>>51426426
DESU, the only reason to get an i7 is for the 3D modeling, with the i5 you can multitask other softwares, unless you are playing games and streaming and editing your videos at the same time get the i7
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>>51426664
wtf I didn't type in desu, I never type that anyways
>>51426643
its better to get 2 stick of 8 ram for an easier upgrade in the future
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>>51426664
Kk also what size SSD should i get?
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>>51426691
It depends what you will be using it for
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>>51426686
All ready changed it :D Will post new specs after I find a SSD
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>>51426707
Operating system and..... urm Idk because I've put a 2TB hard drive in for a secondary.
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>>51426663
thanks b0ss

>>51426686
Easier how? I'm never going to want 32GB of RAM, not until partway through the next generation at least. That's 5-7 years from now.

[spoiler]You got hit with a word filter.
baka
desu
senpai
kek
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>>51426539
>>51426607
>>51426691
>>51426710

You are better off using that M.2 SSD slot on the MSI motherboard for boot, then having 2tb or 3tb drive for storage

>>51426643

At 1866 no, start to worry from 2133 to 2400 with 4 sticks, if it unstable you only have to underlock them or overvolt VTT
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>>51426707
Is a 2.5 inch any different to a 3.5? other than size? Will it fit in a full tower?
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>>51426746
less ram sticks means better airflow
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>>51426759
Yes it will
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>>51426754
Ok, looking for something to fit now.
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>>51426319
>prices for the 980 Ti might be lower by then
There was an EVGA Superclocked 980 Ti selling for 580 not too long ago.
They sold out ;_;
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>>51426746
Is this ok?

Samsung 120GB 850 EVO M.2 SSD
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>>51426821

If you are fine with that capacity yes
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>>51426856
It's only for boot. Plus I will likly have a spare 3tb on other hard drives.... unless i should go for a tb?
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>>51426754
>You are better off using that M.2 SSD slot on the MSI motherboard for boot
Not for a Z97-based motherboard. You're wasting SATA3 ports that could be used for future storage or PCIe2 lanes for future expansions. Plus, there is no difference in performance if you use a M.2-SATA SSD and most Z97 boards (MSI included) can not run at the full PCIe3 4x speeds people seem to believe.
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>>51426856
I was planning to just use as boot and then have seperate 3tb or should I just go for a TB?
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>>51426883
>>51426883
what would you suggest? Will using 3 hard drives be bad?
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>>51426895
TB of SSD? Fucking expensive.
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>>51426895
you should only use SSD for OS and games no point using it to open softwares like your browser
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>>51426939
ok.... not going to do that lol
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>>51426963
I have like 900GB of games though. I'd have to buy a Tb
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>>51426919
If you're using a Z97 board, then it makes no sense to use an M.2 SSD since you either get stuck with a SATA-based M.2 with SATA3 speeds using two SATA3 ports, or you get gimped speeds on M.2-PCIE because it's running at less than half of M.2's maximum bandwidth.
Buy a cheap, 120-128GB SSD if you're going to use it as a primary boot drive. Find one with the faster sequential read/write speed that fits your budget. If you step up to 240-256GB to run a few games off of it, look no further than a Crucial BX100 (they're on clearance), a OCZ ARC100 (also on clearance), a Samsung 850 EVO (only if they're >40% off list price), or a Mushkin Enhanced Reactor.

Avoid Kingston SSDNow V300, OCZ Trion 100, Crucial BX200, and most older SSDs using shit controllers.
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Also, don't buy a CX series of power supply, they're not made for enthusiast parts and have a high failure rate. You can also go with a 500-650 watt psu if you only have one GPU. I'd agree in waiting for Pascal or AMDs Arctic cards. Both will be better but in all honesty 970/80/80Ti will be great anyway so don't stress about it too much. I really recommend getting an EVGA Supernova 650 G2, its a great power supply and will probably never fail!
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>>51426939
Not as expensive as they used to be. A Mushkin 1TB is less than $300 now.
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>>51427035
for that much you can get a HD with massive capacity
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>>51426883
>>51427002

I forgot about the Sata ports being disabled, thanks for correcting me anons, normal SSD then

>>51426988
>>51426895
>>51426882

256GB is the sweet spot imo

for boot, programs and then games you play the most, not all of them, all you get from installing games on SSD is faster load times
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>>51427060
https://pcpartpicker.com/part/mushkin-internal-hard-drive-mknssdre1tb
Actually, it's only $250 now. That's a massive drop from last month.
You could get a 6TB HDD or two 4TB HDD for that money, but it won't come close to that speed.
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>>51427016
>>51427002
Posting new specs.

Intel Core i7 4790K 4GHz Socket 1150 8MB L3 Cache Retail Boxed Processor
(Because although I5 would be cheaper, I still want the option to multi task like a house wife)

Corsair Hydro Series H75 Liquid CPU Cooler

MSI GTX 970 GAMING Twin Frozr V 4GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Graphics Card

MSI Z97 GAMING 3 Socket 1150 VGA DVI HDMI DisplayPort 7.1 Channel Audio ATX Motherboard

EVGA Supernova 850W Fully Modular 80+ Gold Power Supply

16GB 2133MHz DDR3L CL11 SODIMM (Kit of 2) 1.35V HyperX Impact Black

Crucial CT500BX100SSD1 BX100 500GB SATAIII 2.5inch SSD

Seagate 2TB 3.5" SATA Desktop Hard Drive
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Fallout 4 is pretty depend on the CPU though
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>>51427016
>don't buy a CX series of power supply, they're not made for enthusiast parts and have a high failure rate

Really? i have put quite a few CX PSUs (some of them over a year ago already) on client builds and none of them have failed yet
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>>51426988
So only put the games that you play the most on it.
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>>51427177
Thats gonna be the plan
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>>51427141
>16GB 2133MHz DDR3L CL11 SODIMM (Kit of 2) 1.35V HyperX Impact Black

Thats for laptop, go for normal DDR3 too, DDR3L is for Skylake boards
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>>51427203
>>51427203
hhhahhahaa oops sorry
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>>51427141
>MSI GTX 970 GAMING Twin Frozr V 4GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Graphics Card
I bet you could buy a refurbished 980 or 390X for that money.
>Corsair Hydro Series H75 Liquid CPU Cooler
Early Antec AIOs have a really loud pump noise. You could hear it over the fans running at low speeds. I would stick to an air cooler for around the same price. Not only are you getting slightly better performance for the money, but you're also getting a set-up that's more quiet.
AIOs only make sense if you're going for high overclocks using voltage and BCLK, and a smaller AIO like the H75 will suffer from heat trapping. 240mm or a really thick 120mm/140mm AIO is a minimum for that sort of operation.

>Seagate 2TB 3.5" SATA Desktop Hard Drive
Find a Toshiba 2TB for the same price. Seagates trigger me and you soon enough.
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>>51427203
Hyper X Beast Series 16GB 2133MHz DDR3 Non-ECC CL11 DIMM (Kit of 2) XMP

How's this?
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>>51427233
refurbished?
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>>51427260

Good enough
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is all this still compatible now?
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>>51427305
pcpartpicker.com

Select your parts, it automatically screens for compatibility
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>>51427278
They're cards that are sent back to the manufacturer and put back on sale after they're tested twice to make sure they function properly. Basically, all the spoiled brats who don't know how to plug PCI cards properly or color-snobs send their perfectly good cards back to the manufacturer, and they're left with enough stock to resell them at a discount.
EVGA calls it B-Stock and a few other manufacturers have a similar inventory.
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>>51427323
>>51427323
Cheers man :D
>>51427331
Got a link?
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>>51427359
http://www.evga.com/Products/ProductList.aspx?type=8
>GTX 980 Ti Hybrid for $599
I am literally kicking myself right now.
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>>51427384
I'm guessing that still aint cheap in gbp
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>>51427154
They're not the fire boxes some people claim then to be, but they do have a much higher failure rate than any other major PSU line. Corsairs website even says they not meant for high end builds. I don't know why the sell them in ≤500 watt sizes.
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>>51427474
A $379 980 is probably the same price as a really high-end overclocked 970 in the UK. The issue is exporting it.
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The Kingston Beast 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory operating voltage of 1.6V exceeds the Intel Haswell Refresh CPU recommended maximum of 1.5V+5% (1.575V). This memory module may run at a reduced clock rate to meet the 1.5V voltage recommendation, or may require running at a voltage greater than the Intel recommended maximum.
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>>51427496
>>51427496
And time is essence atm unfortunately.
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>>51427141
You still probably want to go for a lower wattage PSU, having more won't change anything. Also MSIs website does not list their Z97 Gaming 3 as low voltage DDR3 (DDR3L) compatible. Finally an i7 will offer you zero benefit in anything. There are very few programs that can leverage hyperthreading and all of them are professional grade like CAD or PS. Other than the the i7 only ovver a 100mhz higher base clock, which wibt matter when its turboed anyway as it will do when you're taking or using it heavily. Go for an i5-4690k. Unless you plan of using an mITX case/mobi, which I can see you're not, I'd look into a $60 aircooler for the CPU rather than an h75. Low end closed loop water coolers offer very little overall.
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>>51427141
Hydro H75 sucks, water cool is only worth it with $120 two fan radiators like h100i. Get a 212 evo, pure rock, or cryo rig h7. You wont throttle with a decent air cooler anyway.
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>>51427499

Its fine, my friends build has the same HyperX Beast kit but at 2400MHz with a 4.7Ghz 4790K, GA-Z97X-UD5H-BK, 970 SLI, i checked bios and the board set it to 1.5v with 2400Mhz no problems at all
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>>51427598
phew tyvm

>>51427582
>>51427582
>>51427586
Looking into it now.
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>>51427586
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 4 Heatpipes/1x120mm Fan CPU Air Cooler

This?
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Ok final thoughts before I got to sleep. Will this thing play AAA games on ultra?
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>>51427799
With a 970? Maybe, but at pretty low frame rates (around 45 FPS with all settings maxed out). If you bump the settings down a notch and forgo AA, you can easily hit 60FPS on very high quality.
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>>51427861
what's stopping me? the graphics card? What would be the cheapest option to go ultra?
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>>51427898

R9 390
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>>51427898
Don't listen to him it will ultra out anything at 1080.
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>>51427799

Depends on the resolution, should be fine for anything 1080p and should be ok for 1440p

Search for some 970 benchmarks
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>>51427926
>>51427915
>>51427961
WTF? the r9 390 is the same price for me? Should I take it?
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>>51427898
the sapphire nitro 390 is cheaper than the 970 and also a lot more powerful. also the best 390 available. it does take more power, and only a tiny bit more heat iirc. the power usage shouldnt be a problem unless youre jewish and have to save a lot of money.
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>>51427996
>and also a lot more powerful
ok i should re phrase this. its more powerful at higher resolutions like 1440p and 4k, and a tiny bit more powerful at 1080p. the reason i recommend it is because you have a big enough power supply and its better than the graphics card you selected.
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>>51427996
I can get the

MSI Radeon R9 390 Gaming 8GB GDDR5 Dual-Link DVI-D HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Graphics Card

For the same price as the GTX970
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>>51427915
>>51427985

no, the 390 is definitively worse for 1080p. the 970 outperforms it and competes with the 390x and reference 980 once OCed.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/10/26/xfx_r9_390x_double_dissipation_core_edition_review/4

the 390 is only a logical choice if you want to game at 4k on a budget, even then you'd be living the 15 fps life
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>>51428025
what do i get? It's all the same price!
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>>51428032
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>>51428032
so stick with what I have? ok... I don't have a 4k monitor so.... yeah.
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there's a deal for a $250 970 on evga b-stock

http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=04G-P4-2977-RX
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>>51428077
Cant get it to me in time.
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>>51428068

R9 390 is faster by like 3 or 5 frames thats all
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>>51428068
You should decide first what resolution you want to play at and make sure you buy a monitor that matches that. 1080p is the mid-range choice, 1440p is upper-tier and 4k is the enthusiast choice (read: $$$$).
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>>51428093

it's not faster if the 970 is factory OCed, once a proper OC is done the 970 completely BTFOs it
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Does anyone have that one chart that compares current video cards on the market along with the consoles with the prices and their performance running Phantom Pain or any modern muh grafix game?
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>>51428115
but r9 is 8gb rather than the 4gb.... is that any better?
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>>51428115

We dont know if OP is going to overclock though
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>>51428137
I wasn't planning on it.
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To all the people saying you' re better off buying a boot SSD+ storage HDD. I used to fully agree with this. However last week I bought a used pc (i7 4770 + 3TB HDD with 200mb write and read), and my pc boots up in 15/20 seconds or something.

So what were the benefits of buying an ssd again? Saving 4 seconds of boot time? Or saving 1.5 seconds loading games?
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>>51428115
You act like you cant oc a 390.
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>>51428137

maxwell overclocks without any voltage change... it's essentially wasted performance not to overclock
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>>51428152
good point but don't games work better from an SSD?
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>>51428165

not effectively, it only gains about 10% performance over the baseline clock. a 970 gains about 30% perf over the reference clocks without a voltage increase.
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>>51428165
>inb4 joke about house fires
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>>51427926
It will do Ultra 1080p, but not at frames higher than 60 FPS for more modern titles if you leave it at MSAA 4x or higher. My roommate's 970 rig can barely hit 60 FPS at GTA V without turning a few setting down. It's not as bad as a 390 (which is worse at 1080p), but it's not as smooth as a 980 or 980 Ti.
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>>51428169
Depends on the game, I'm currently playing Dragon Age inquisition and SSD cuts the load times from 80+ seconds down to 15 or so.
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>>51426275

By the time pascal comes out Fallout 4 will be old news. Just get a 900 series card and be happy now. I just bought a 980 Ti today, and if pascal comes out this summer and totally destroys the Maxwell cards then I'll just sell my 980 Ti and buy a 1080 or whatever.
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>>51428169

I can imagine that games that have a lot of load screens (offline RPGs) might be a little bit faster. But honestly so far I've been nothing but surprised about how fast everything runs.

I' m starting to think that the uni-formal love for SSDs might come from the fact that people compare their new SSDs with their old crappy HDDs. Which indeed is a huge improvement. But modern HDDs aren't that bad. If you have a fast CPU and good HDD I think you'll barely notice the difference.

If you' re not sure, but you do know that you' ll need a lot of storage space, I'd recommend first buying a good HDD and then adding a SSD later if you think it will help you.
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OK i'm sticking with the 970 for now since i'm gaming at 1080p

Also I really need to go to sleep.

Thanks to everyone who helped and I will be posting in the near future with the complete build and a battle station shot to boot.

Much appreciation and fair the well!
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>>51428169
Games will not run better with an SSD, but their load time will usually come down significantly.
I have yet to hear of a modern PC game that bottlenecks because it's installed on a HDD. Maybe if you don't have enough memory, HDD bottlenecking COULD happen, but that's not the drive's fault, but your memory size.

Fallout 4 is the only recent game that I can think of that has this issue, but that's only on the Xbone.
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>>51426245
I'd suggest you buy a build that someone else has already built and tested. Even if everything should fit in theory there might be problems. I had some stupid incompatibility problem with my motherboard / cpu even tho they were supposed to fit

also obviously dont pay for windows, just DL it from the official site (windows installer tool) and crack it with MS activator or whatever
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>>51428297
>Buying used
>I had some stupid incompatibility problem with my motherboard / cpu even tho they were supposed to fit

Not everyone is retarded anon
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>>51428275

People keep saying this, but the load times with my HDD are insanely fast. I can't remember ever having to wait an annoying amount of time for anything. And I can't really see why you would bother spending 100 dollars on saving 1 or 2 seconds 5 times a day.

I'm not the really a hardcore gamer though, I mostly use my pc for programming. Do you have any examples of (free) programs, that aren't benchmark tools but stuff people actually use, so I could test how much time I loose with this HDD?
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>>51428332
i didnt mean buy used, i meant buy something that someone else has tested (and posted on a forum or whatever) so you know the parts will fit. then buy them yourself

lrn2read
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>>51428417
It's even worse on online games. When I had CS:GO loaded on my SM951, my game would load within 5 seconds with a bad connection, but I'd still have to wait 20+ seconds for the Russians with their shitty computers (probably still using PATA drives).
That's when I decided to move all of my games to an SSHD and use my SM951 as a multimedia scratch disk instead. That proved to be a match made in heaven.
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Hi not OP, don't wanna make a new thread. How did I do?
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>>51428667
>multimedia scratch disk
I would've gotten a $30 psu and bumped up to a 270x.
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