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So, GTX 780 or 970? They're both going for about the same

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So, GTX 780 or 970? They're both going for about the same price on ebay.
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>>50763390
>buying nvidia
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>>50763390
r9 390 is better than both and cheaper
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>>50763412
Is it worth dealing with the increased noise and crappy drivers?
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>>50763390
390
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>>50763454
In what way are the drivers crappy?

what increased noise? They're a few db apart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9cKZiJw6Pk
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>>50763454

Just get sapphire's nitro 390 and be done with it. Drivers haven't been a problem in years.
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>>50763454
Go back to /v/, the cancer board.
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>>50763477
A few dB is twice the noise, and used 970s are going for $260 on ebay, which is quite a bit cheaper than the 390.

>>50763490
Good to hear.
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>>50763512
how in the holy hell is a few dbs twice the noise? I guess compared to 1db, 2 db is twice the noise, but otherwise the well made card is going to be silent.

You are paying for less DX12 support and less VRAM with the 970, not to mention less performance.

You can get 390s new for around $300
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>>50763550
dB is a logarithmic scale
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>>50763550
>doesn't understand how dB works
>an AMD user
Surprise?
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>>50763774
>>50763611
So sorry, I really don't care enough about acoustics to learn about them
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>>50763390
780.

970 has the whole 3.5 fiasco.

AMD sucks.
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>>50763801

>I failed algebra and math is for nerds
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>>50763835
but I got a D in algebra

Either way, something twice as loud as a whisper, is still quiet
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>>50763801
A 3dB difference is twice the amount of noise.
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>>50763863

>A "D" is passing where he went to school
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>>50763477
>>50763490
>drivers not a problem

ROFL
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>>50764554
I have bought amd cpu+gpu last time instead of intel and and nvida and I literally hate myself for it
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>>50763390
So tossing between buying Kepler who's drivers Nvidia purposely fucked up to make you buy Maxwell or a product that was fucked on release which Nvidia tried to keep secret. None.

Unless you specifically want a reference card, all aftermarket coolers perform at the same temperatures no matter if it's a 390 or 970.

Only buy one of those if you are really desperately trying to save cash otherwise you'd really be much better off with a R9 390 or a new GTX 970 only if you love Nvidia so much. It's not worth saving a bit of cash and not having 2 or 3 years warranty you get with a new card.
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>>50764554
But I never update my drivers anyways and I've not had an issue with any of my AMD cards in years

Besides, didn't nvidia release drivers that fried GPUs?
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>>50764609
And what was wrong with it?
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>>50763550
what about a used 290x?
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>>50764705
they released drivers that made their cards shoot out fire and die lmao.
and don't forget nvidia drivers killing laptop displays too
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>>50764756
It's like they just ignore all the terrible shit nvidia has done over the years and keep buying their products
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>>50764732
Most of those cards were probably used for bit coin mining and don't have long to live if at all
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>>50764780
That's what I find shocking actually. After all the fuck ups from Nvidia, everyone still bashes AMD for problems that are either insignificant or don't exist.

No one cared about efficiency and temps when it was fermi vs HD6xxx series, but now GCN vs maxwell and everyones jumping on that shit.
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>>50764726
I just don't like it and feel that intel cpu would preform better for music production

the gpu is not a big deal my main complaint is the processor
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>>50764793
but if they're still under warranty you can get it replaced?

>>50764609
AMD graphics cards work better with intel processors m8.
something about driver overhead, but that won't be a problem for much longer.
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>>50764867
Yes an intel CPU is faster, 20-40% faster on average comparing apples to apples, they also cost twice as much, did you forget that part of it?
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>>50764907
it wasn't part of why I chose amd the price

I chose the cpu to match brand

for the price of how much amd cpu is they preform nice but I think they should try to do better cpus next time
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I consider the people buying 970s as conscious consumers who want a good product with an alright longevity and superior support.

I consider the people buying a 390 as complete morons who cannot comprehend they're buying 50$ worth of 3fps over a 290.
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>>50764971
>I chose the cpu to match brand
I'm going to guess you built that before you knew about PC hardware

Otherwise yes, zen should be a major improvement if AMD doesn't screw it up.
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>>50764988
>970
>3.5GB
>Async emulation
>Superior support (lol wat)
>https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/3jgub0/so_my_msi_gtx_970_just_spat_flames_and_my_bedroom/

gg anon
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>>50764991
ive actually had amd dual core cpu before and they were good

but I fucked up this time
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>>50765028
>still on and on with the 3.5 drama
>even though it gets the same fps as AMDshits 8 gig cards

I think it's sadder that a card with a full 8 gigs and a supposed wider bus can't do better than a card with 2.8 times less the ram and a gimped bus.

:^)
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>>50765028
>reddit
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>>50765067
The 390 beats out the 970 in performance though
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>>50765067
But.. it can... if you're able to read benchmarks... which may be difficult for you.. but assuming you think VRAM makes a difference in speed.. I'd say that's a strong no.
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>>50765067
>doesn't realise that a card with high fps can still stutter
typical nvidiot
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>>50765067
>supposed wider bus
>shilling a card advertised as 256 bit and 4GB
>Is actually 3..5+0.5GB and 224+32 bit.
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>>50765118
>>50765102
>>50765089
Yeah, yeah your rebranded piece of shit is the best card of the century.

>290 Watts under load
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>>50765160
It's a refresh, the chips are new and made with an improved process which is why they have higher stock speeds , much like with intel's devil's canyon CPUs

notice how the stock 390 beats out a 290x

Also the 980 in that picture had to have been heavily overclocked unless there was a CPU bottleneck in the system
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>>50765160
>The card that performs better and has more VRAM has a higher TDP

Stop the fucking presses anon, the TDP difference between the cards is 100W.

Also the saphire 390 overclocks like shit apparently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9cKZiJw6Pk
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>>50765203
RE BRAND

>3 fps for 50$
>1fps over the 3.5GB card
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>>50763390
>Buying the 3.5gb meme card, ever..on purpose.

It's like you want to fail at life.
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>>50765243
>enforce
>by showing a 970 easily beats out 390
>390 only can OC for a 4fps gain

I did?
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>>50765227
1fps over the 3.5gb card at 1440p, what happens if you want to crossfire your cards and run games at 4k?

The point is it's 3fps, with less cores, on a lower binned chip, the difference between a 290x and 390x is a bit wider than that, and the 300 series are going to overclock better giving you more headroom

What happens in GTAV when the 970 hits it's limit?
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>>50765160
You.. just enforced our point. Fuck, I didn't really think you couldn't read benchmarks.. but you actually can't. Holy shit.
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>>50765271
The sapphire cards do not overclock well, the MSI cards can get up to 1150 Mhz compared to 1070 on average

the VRAM on the MSI card is being properly cooled while the sapphire card is not touching it
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>>50765158
here, have that as comparison
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>>50765285
And I like how you deleted your post because you made a typo.
How much of an insecure faggot are you?
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>>50765160
>oh no, the better performing card uses more power

No shit.
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>>50765271
EVGA SUPER SUPER-CLOCKED. Gets beaten by a NITRO OVERCLOCKED.

>GETS BEATEN.

IT'S MORE POWERFUL. READ YOU STUPID FUCK. HOLY SHIT.
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>>50765313
>far cry
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>>50765313
>the one and only game that has an AMD logo in it's intro matters in benchmarks

Does it really?
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>>50765227
>rebrand
>Still beats the more expensive 970 in performance

yeah, you'll have to excuse me as I purchase an AMD card instead, feel free to throw your money at Nvidia so they squat over you and feed you premium shit though.
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>>50765370
>almost 20 FPS performance gao

holy shit...

Also check out this gtx 980 I found online lmao
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>>50763454
/thread
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I have a similar problem, would you recommend me a 970 or 780Ti?

I have a 680 and have massive issues because I play @4K. Need a solution to play Warframe and games like BF4 until Pascal comes out.

Tending to a Ti, because it has true VRAM and 384-bit, which usually leads to a better highres performance.

>Inb4 2560x1440
Tried that, looks blurry like shit. It seems my 2 GB VRAM causes the problem even in mid settings.
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>>50765370
>only shadow of mordor
>not combinated bench of 23 games

Nop, the 390 is a super oc 290 with extra vram
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>>50763390
970 beats sli 780ti

enjoy your nvidia gimping
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>>50765439
you do realise That AMD tends to have better performance at higher resolutions (980ti not included)?
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Is AMD the way to go about 6 months down the road or so? I'm being told porting games to DX12 is actually easier than DX11, and that AMD blows nvidia out of the water for DX12. Is this true?
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>>50765548
Wasn't that because of async compute? And nvidia is paying off devs to not implement it.
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>>50765469
Sure, but I spent a lot on this 4K Gsync screen and don't want to miss it anymore.

AMD uses wider interfaces. The next GPU generation will have 4096+-bit interfaces all the time.
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>>50765548
>believing anything either company says about the future
Everyone fucking lies and exaggerates their claims. Who knows. AMD supposedly has better DX12 support and this is where they placed all their bets on. But considering AMD has had a terrible track record for drivers for 10 years I wouldn't hold my breath. They'll fuck something up for sure.

Nvidia on the other hands will just nickle and dime you to buy their new Pascal GPUs with "full DX12" support.

You're fucked either way, just choose a red or green cock and sit on it.
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>>50765469
>4gb
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>>50765598
980ti/furyx are outside most people's budget anon, try showing a 390 vs 970 instead.
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>>50765598
>gameworks game
>proves anything
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>>50765598
>people actually buy furys

Can't stop myself from smh irl to tell you the truth.
Just as bad as Titanshills.
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>>50765641
The Fury beats out the 980 unless said 980 is heavily overclocked though
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>>50763390
Forget about nvidia

390 all the way.
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>>50765641
The fury is priced appropriately anon. You're thinking of the fury x, which should have never been released.
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>>50765639
>tfw i like to play lots of games
>some games are rigged by nvidia
>so i buy an nvidia gpu instead of an amd and pretending that synthetics matter
AMD users cucked again
What do you tell your friends when they want to play an Nvidia game? "Sorry, I'm an AMD cuck"?
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>>50765770
I tell them
>give me a second to come online mate

Because who cares.
They both fucking work.
I went from a hd 6870 to a gtx 670 and they both worked fine.
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>>50765770
>pretending he actually plays anything more graphically intensive than League of legends
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So, 970 vs 780, which do I pick? Both are at the same price point and I don't plan to do any gaming at above 1080p.
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>>50766114
390/290x

Have you seen how badly Nvidia cards are shitting up lately?
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>>50766114
why are you limiting yourself to shitty nvidia cards?
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>>50766237
I plan on SLI-ing it in a couple of years so power consumption and noise are issues. 300 watt cards are just too much.
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>>50766280
The 390 only used 60w more than the 970 last time I checked?
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>>50766300
>>50766280
Also, I tried SLI on my 670s and it was shit. Trust me, it's better to buy a more capable single card than to crossfire / sli.
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>>50766300
Their TDPs are 148 and 275 watts.

>>50766321
I know. I'm currently on SLI'd 560 Ti 448s, but for cash reasons I want to replace them with a single card and then down the line SLI that card when the price drops under a hundred bucks. It worked well for my 560ti 448.
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>>50763477
how about the 90% of the people with AMD cards that stutter like crazy in battlefront?
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>>50766346
>Believing nvidia's TDP lies
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>>50766280
99% of people who dont initially buy 2 gpus and say the will sli never do
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>>50763454
literally /v/, the post

I sure hope you guys don't do this.
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>>50766417
Most people have issues with used cards. I don't. I'm currently using SLI because a year and a half after buying the one card I got another off ebay for $90
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>>50766395
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>>50766395
>>50766300
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>>50766485
>AMD stays under their TDP in gaming
>nvidia doesn't
>nvidia is only 70Watts less
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>>50766346
Tdp is heat, not energy consumption lmao.

>>50766395
Didn't they also have lower power targets than what was optimal for the gpu?
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>>50766394
Isn't that game in like an alpha state?

Did nvidia release a driver update for it or something?
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>>50763390
are you retarded? 970
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>>50766545
They are literally the same thing. Signalling amperage is effectively zero. Every erg of electricity that goes into that card must come out as heat.
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>>50766394
>>50766552
Also according to this random forum post this guy was getting stuttering with his 970

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/463973-starwars-battlefront-choppy-and-stuttering/
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>>50766394
not as bad as the 100% of people getting studdering in all games on nvidia
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>>50765203
>It's a refresh, the chips are new and made with an improved process which is why they have higher stock speeds

That "improved process" is simply applying an overclock.

There's next to no 290/x that couldn't reach 1100mhz.
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>>50766672
so?
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>>50766545
Pic related
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>>50763390
>>50766346

There's really not a big difference in performance between two 448s and single cards in the 970/390/780 price range. I'd wait to upgrade.
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>>50767203
A pair of 670s should be just a tiny bit faster than the 980, so I wouldn't be surprised if his cards were between an 960 and 970.

But doesn't crossfire scale better?
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>>50767203
>>50767316
Yeah, that's the rub. On benchmarks my current setup looks very nice, actually beating some 970s in Heaven with a 1450 and getting about 25% less in 3dmark 11 with a score of 11,000. However, some games just run like dogshit inexplicably. ARK won't go above 22fps on medium, The Forest on medium runs at about 38fps, Planet Explorers on medium does a good 45fps.
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>>50764988
I consider people like you shills.
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>>50763390
GTX 970 draws less power, so at equivalent prices I'd get it.
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>>50763390

I would go with the 970. It has a few newer features that are going to be taken advantage of in new games that will make the difference between it and the 780 more noticeable as time goes by.

Additionally, the GTX 970 draws far less power, has .5gb more VRAM, and will run cooler. Overall it is a nicer and more advanced card.

The 780 still has quite a bit of brute strength left in it to play demanding games, but if you can go with the newer card I'd do it.
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Is this actually real?
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>>50767982
no, that site is shit
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>>50767982
Doesn't seem accurate to me.
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>>50767982
>r9295x2 scoring almost the same as a single 290x

yeah, that's bullshit.
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>>50767982
980 vs 980 sli, 0% performance difference.
yea... sounds legit
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>>50767982
KHOLAT?
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>>50764756
You think it's a joke? I had 2 PC's fried with nvidia shit. Luckily i was able to salvage the ram cards. Everything else including the Hard drives got fucked.
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>>50768318
idiot
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>>50765419
>finds a random pic of a busted 980
>NvidiaHouseFire.jpg
>it was almost certainly due to a shit PSU
amd cucks tbh fam
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>>50768413
>nvidia card pulls too much power for a psu to handle

Ayy lmao
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>>50767982
>nvidia
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>>50767930
>few newer features

Like what?
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>>50763390

If it's the 780 TI instead of just the plain 780 with the same price of 970

Should I go for the 780 TI?
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>>50763830
>780
I don't think that's a good choice, mate...

>970 has the whole 3.5 fiasco
True

>AMD sucks
Why?
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>>50765160
Found the problem mate
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>>50763412
this post was me and I started this shit storm
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>>50769018
because marketing
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>>50769098
You know the whole point of that department is to make consumers forget everything about the product they're buying and to re-seed your mind with shit?
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>>50763454
only tech illterate lazy-ass reading/researching meme spouting faggot kids will come out with such conclusion, drivers havent been a problem in years
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>>50765046
AMD made pretty good CPU's a few years ago
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>>50768949
Delta Color Compression.
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>>50769506
Doesn't AMD do that too?
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>all these shills defending AMD's drivers

>CCC silently crashes when opened and no amount of uninstalling and reinstalling, updating or manually removing all references to AMD drivers or CCC causes the issue to be fixed. the only solution is to reinstall OS.
>CCC ignores your settings changes when you click 'apply', sometimes it crashes instead
>gaming on linux: extreme stuttering, and when it 'works' it's still 50% of window's perf
>no support for any GPU older than 5000 series despite GPUs before it, back to the 2000 series, being the same architecture
>no DX12 support for 5000 or 6000 series

>>50769506

color compressions been a technique used for over a decade now by both sides to save memory bandwidth, it's nothing new or cutting edge.

>>50769500

AMD hasn't made good CPUs in over a decade, everything since phenom has been a disaster.
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>>50765203
>It's a refresh,

it's a rebrand
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>>50769763
Okay? Can you now show the unshielded processor die?

If it was a rebrand it would preform exactly the same at stock, it's generally around 10% better due to higher stock clock speeds, it also has double the VRAM at stock
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>>50767582

It's the inherent overhead in AMD's DX11 implementation that AMD refuses to acknowledge or fix because it makes their cards look better in DX12 benchmarks.

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=398858
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>>50769741
>phenom
phenom II was bretty good
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>>50769786
>it's generally around 10% better due to higher stock clock speeds

a factory OC does not make it a refresh

>it also has double the VRAM at stock

there were 8gb 290s and 290x's being sold before the 300 series
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>>50769820
But the 290 is not an 8gb card at stock, and it's not really a factory OC when the card can run at higher stock clocks on average because the chips are better made
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>>50769788
>that AMD refuses to acknowledge or fix because it makes their cards look better in DX12 benchmarks.
Don't you mean so they can push their home grown apis?
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>>50769841
Mantle was open for anyone to use though meng
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>>50769837
>But the 290 is not an 8gb card at stock

not sure what you mean, IHVs can't just put more vram on the card, AMD designed them and sold them alongside the 4gb variants

>and it's not really a factory OC when the card can run at higher stock clocks on average because the chips are better made

the default core clock for a 390x is 1050mhz, the default for a 290x is 1000mhz, any 290x would be able to achieve the same clock.

they also perform the same, clock-for-clock: http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/1434612549l1GBQzJE5q_9_1_l.gif
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>>50769894
Sure it could, and then you could overclock the 390x, and see which one craps out first on average
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Go 980 mate
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>>50766533
You gotta admit though, those torture numbers look pretty bad.
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>>50769741
I've never had ccc crash on my laptop fam, you must be doing something wrong.

Have you tried hitting your head against the wall until you see the light? That should cure the disease you have known as Nvidiocracy
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>>50770008
i fuck u up kid
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>>50769894
>hardocp
>reliable

Pick one
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>>50769604
Yes, but this thread is not about AMD cards.
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>>50763550
Screenshotted. You done fucked up anon.
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>>50770055
True, it must be winter over there, or being very close to it
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Whats a good 150-300 card for a 1920x1080 monitor with a 620 antec high current PSU and an intel 2500k.

It's to replace a 6850
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>>50770084

b-stock 970 or used 290 for $250, otherwise a 960 or 380 for $200ish
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>>50770116
Oh fuck I should mentioned I am Canadian so the prices are a bit higher over here (.77 to the Us while in 2011 it was .93 to the U.S).

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/parts/video-card/#X=17164,30000&sort=a8&page=1&r=2048

This link has what available to me in that price range.
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Radeon r9 390

Here is why:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9cKZiJw6Pk
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>>50770164
i personally managed to snatch a 380 for the same money a gtx950 goes, but thats in the UK.
i'd wait for a good deal on 960/r9 380, m80
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>>50770202
Not sure if you are the same anon as >>50770116
but thanks for the tip on EVGA B-Stocks.

It seems some of the cards are heavily cut in price which is pretty nice.
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>>50770202
How is the 380?
I'm waiting for 14nm before upgrading from my gtx 670.
I'm thinking of grabbing a used fury or 290x, depends on budget.
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