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whats the best laptop for programmers?

what do you think is important for programmer laptops?

i want to buy a new laptop, tired of my old thinkpad.
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>>47702678
>whats the best laptop for programmers?
Whatever you can afford.
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Depends what kind of programming, obviously.

In most cases programming does not require a powerful system, so focus on the build and look because that's all that will matter.
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Screen size, quality.
Keyboard quality and type.
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>>47702694
well, ill be running a vm, so 8GB is minimum.

screen is important, dont want no 1366x768 babby shit. 1080p full HD ips is minimum

got to have a good trackpad (or trackpoint) because i have to test the programs/websites too. no these new thinkpad's with the weak shit buttons. its the worst trackpad in the history of laptops.

thats the most important
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>>47702708
>programming
>IPS as a minimum
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>>47702708

Those are high specs, what's your budget?
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MBA /rMBP for the keyboard mostly
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>>47702725
1200 euro / 1300 dollars

the Thnkpad X1 Carbon gen 3 are perfect. however they are 2500 dollars new and I cant find them second hand
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>>47702745
I got one last week for $1000. Sucks to be a europoor.
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15,6' screen minimum, full size keyboard with number pad.
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>>47702749
what specs? and where?
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>>47702745

If you're not averse to Apple, Macbook/Pro/Air.
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>>47702755
2560x1440 IPS and 8GB of ram upgrade. The lenovo site.
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>>47702757
>>47702728

Air doesn't go above 900p or something stupid.
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>>47702757
>If you're not averse to Apple

yes thats a bit of a problem. I've given my friends so much shit for buying Apple products, that I would be the biggest hippocryt in the world if i would buy an apple product now. so too bad
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>>47702781
>being so fucking autistic that you care what other people use
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>>47702781

Suck it up.
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>>47702755
Yeah I got one with maxed out specs except for the CPU for 1100. 1440p, i5 5300, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD.
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>>47702781

:brofist:

a coworker just got a mac. for his birthday I'm bringing him a black cardigan with a cardboard picture of Steve Jobs attached to it in his contemplative pose

should be lulzy
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>>47702760
i cant find it for $1000
>>47702807
when i do that on lenovo.com I get no less than 1400 dollars
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>>47702812
and while you're busy being a faggot he'll be getting some productive work done on his mac, you sure showed him
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>>47702836
Are you really this bad at detecting irony?
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>>47702781

There's nothing wrong with finally having the right reasons to get it. Those same people might make a joke or two but they will be happy you're part of the club. The experience of an rMBP especially for programming is well worth at most a minute of getting goofed on. It's just great to have a laptop that can develop easily for all three of the major platforms (Windows/Linux/OSX).
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>>47702831
http://slickdeals.net/f/7820485-corporate-discount-code-for-lenovo-is-back-with-great-discounts-on-thinkpad-series-up-to-30-40-off?v=1
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>>47702781
>Macbooks are superior and I'd get one but since my friends have it I give them shit so I'm too embarrassed to buy one now
/g/ in a nutshell
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>>47702859
THANKS!!
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Thoughts on the Macbook 2015?
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>>47702831
There's a deal until the 29th, 30% off. There was a deal last week that was 40% off. Normally the X1 is way too expensive for what it is, but those specs at 1100 is a fantastic deal.
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>>47702880
can't believe there are actually people on /g/ using macbooks. fucking faggots.
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>>47702906
>le reddit hivemind
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>>47702781
and they won't be longer your friends if you buy and Apple product? Are you so afraid of being judge?

You have the money just get a rMBP. You won't regret it
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whatever has the best keyboard

keyboards take a shit-kicking when programming

probably a chongpad
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>>47702791
>being so fucking autistic that you care what other people support
fixed
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>>47702678
Whats wrong with a t420 or a x220?
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>>47702791
>>47703021

>being so fucking autistic that you care what other people think you support
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Which are the highest spec non-chiclet thinkpads?
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>>47703036
1366
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>>47702859
problem is that lenovo.com only ships to US.

Arent there websites that give you a 'virtual' US address, and they ship the stuff to me?
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>>47703079
shipto etc. watch out for customs charges
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>>47703042
w520 probably. But if you're looking for smaller then probably a t420
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>>47702900
>2015
Don't even consider, get an earlier model.
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>>47702678
i5 or better CPU
8GB RAM minimum
512GB SSD
15" IPS screen minimum
Solid keyboard, minimum flex, good key travel, backlit

To be hones the best laptop I have ever done development on is a rMBP but if you want Windows I would look at the Dell business models, Latitude/Precision/maybe XPS15. HP are ok but quite expensive compared to Dell but don't offer anything extra IMHO. Dell also tend to have nicer screens IMHO.

One thing to note on Windows if getting above a 1080p panel, Windows is still fucking awful at HiDPI so personally I would stick to a 1080p panel. I tried to do some work on a 3K panel in a Carbon X1 and ugh. Will be nice if VS2015 has better scaling though I guess.
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>>47703217
got a W520, can confirm. Make sure you get 1440p screen and 2GB discrete graphics card. They're cheap as fuck on ebay.
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I just bought a $50 quad core chink tablet and a $20 keyboard case. I rooted it, threw Arch and dwm on it, and installed my regular programs. Comfy as hell. Program on a toaster, it doesn't matter (unless if you want to hate technology and you're doing corporate zombie shit).
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>>47703714
I'm looking at a 2013 edition for ~1100, what do you think? Is there ever any way to save on Mac?
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>need to replace my laptop
>just want something somewhat well made with a good display and enough power to at least handle my Cambodian Papyrus Scratchings in 1080p in a size of 13 inches or less for $300 or less
>X220 has either shit tier TN or an IPS with ghosting problems
>Toshiba Chromebook 2 doesn't have standard SeaBIOS
>Thinkpad 11e looks like it's up my alley but only the Chromebook model is stated to be IPS and I'm unsure of how possible it is to install something over ChromeOS on one
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>>47702678
>programmer
just dig one out of the trash
You probably can't afford anything better with that meme career
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>>47702708
why don't you just mine the metal from the earth and make your own with those specifications?
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>>47702757
>recommending the Air unironically
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Since you will be programming, I think buying hardware that is a pleasure to work with all day is very important.

I'd probably get a Chromebook Pixel 2 (w/ crouton) or a rMBP. The latest dell XPS's looked really pretty but I haven't read any reviews of their build quality.

Really as long as you have some easy way to open a terminal and something with a package manager, you're set
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Best laptop for programmers are retina Macbook Pros. Everything else is shit compared to it. Don't fall for bullshit NEET trolling from people who never owned one.

>Chrys Bader, Product Manager, Google+

>I was a die-hard PC user my entire life, until about 2 years ago.

>The reason I switched was simple: The best software for development existed on OS X. The best developers were on Macs, so they built the best tools on Macs for Macs. Slowly everyone started to switch over to OS X because it was where all of the best software was. The different software started to integrate with each other, and the network of developers and tools became even stronger. It's a self-perpetuating situation.

http://www.quora.com/Computer-Programming/Why-do-most-professional-programmers-prefer-Macs
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>>47703887
Apple Refurb.
They're all recased, so they look brand new.
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>>47704288
this!

+ apple refurb comes with FULL warranty. that's how I bought my rMBP. you also have a full year before you can buy applecare (which is an extended warranty... highly recommended for laptops since people tend to fuck them up more easily than desktops).
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>>47702757
Do the Airs have a decent screen now or still get the shit they dont want to put on the others?
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>>47703714
>I tried to do some work on a 3K panel in a Carbon X1 and ugh
Oh fugg, I'm >>47702807 and that has me worried. I'm gonna run Arch and the wiki/forum CLAIMS HiDPI just werks but I'm a little scared.
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>>47704286
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>>47704389
Name 3 reasons why a rMBP is a bad laptop for programming.

I'll even give you one: it's over priced.
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>>47704407
lack of home, end, pageup, pagedown, backspace key
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>>47704531
Wow really? I actually was just curious why, I don't have an argument. Damn that's awful.
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>>47704531
retard doesn't know about Fn key.
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>>47704407
no video out. have fun bringing 10 adapters with you at any time
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>>47704531
>home, end, pup, pgdwn
Fn + ←, →, ↑, ↓.
>no backspace
bait
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>>47704531
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>>47704407
Mac has no right mouse button
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>>47702728
>>47702757
>>47703714
>>47704286
>>47704407
macbooks have terrible keyboards
no keytravel
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>>47704407
neutered locked down UNIX derivative
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>>47702728
Especially when you need DELETE key.
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>>47705035
Can confirm. Had to work with a mac for a project retina bla was amazing, but the keyboard had me begging for relief. Plus OSX doesn't feel like home to me, but oh well...
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>>47702678
Look at the Dell e7450.
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>>47702678
I usually only care about the size of the laptop. Preferably 16:10 aspect ratio, and a maximum of 14 inch size. Second thing I care about is battery life. I shouldn't need to look for a power outlet every 2 hours when all I do is type randomly and sometimes browse the web.
Only problem I have these days is no laptops use 16:10 anymore.
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>>47706700
aww yiiiiiis my nigga. i loved my old latitude. keyboard was just as good as my t4x0 series thinkpad but the screen on the dell was a million times better than the thinkpad. lenovo fucked up the screens in the t4x0 series :(
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>>47704799
>>47704578
>having to press two buttons
>not even having a numpad
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>>47707497
>having a numpad on a laptop
...you don't actually do this, right? You're just being a funny guy, right?
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>>47704286
>google+
well look at how good that is mr PROgrammer
also try programming without
>numpad
>home/end keys
>rightclick on mousepad

You are pretty much saying that because everyone uses it, I should use it too. Perhaps if more people used proper computers instead of listening to your bullshit, then the socalled OS X loving firms would start catering to us.

It's not surprising that someone from google could be so jewish
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>>47704531
>not knowing delete is backspace
>actually this uninformed
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>>47702757
it's like you don't care that your hard drive will randomly brick

>but it will be safe on the cloud, anon
ok
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>>47707615
>numpad
any laptop i give any shit about buying won't be big enough for a numpad

>home/end keys
cmd+up, cmd+down. and for good measure, pageup/down is alt+up/down

>rightclick on mousepad
two-finger tap you fucking caveman, goddamn
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>>47707678
>typing in long numbers without a numpad
>having to press two buttons at the same time
>not having buttons on the mousepad
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>>47704531
>implying anyone competent enough to use a real editor ever touches home, end, page up, or page down
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Cheap laptop with a good 60% keyboard to bring along with it.
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>>47707739
how often do you type in long ass numbers and how much time do you really save using a numpad. if your job is data entry it's probably really useful though

the buttons are right next to each other

the trackpad is a button. you press it with two fingers for a right click
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>>47707646

then where's the delete key?
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>>47707822
fn+delete
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>>47702708
get a fucking mouse you dumbass. trackpads are all shit
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>>47702678
Whatever, something powerful. Buy something with a dock connector because you're going to want a couple of screens and a full size keyboard.
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>>47702844
no you're just really that good at seeming like a massive autistic faggot. so congrats I guess, sure showed him how retarded you can act
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>>47707800
Sure mac can do this stuff, but its a lot harder to do.

>having a numpad is convenient
>quicker to just press one key rather than 2
>pressing a button is faster than tapping two fingers
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>>47702678
Seriously considering getting a maxed out rMBP
Mostly going to be programming and maybe some graphic design
If money isnt an option, is it worth it?
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>>47707932
convenient for you personally

by a fraction of a second maybe, until you get used to it

that doesn't make any sense, it's not a double tap, you just also have another finger on the trackpad when you press it or tap it or however you like for the trackpad to register your clicks
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>>47702728
MacBooks have shit keyboards
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MBP because UNIX-like
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>>47702791
>>47702806
>>47702845
>>47702880
>>47702971
>iCucks in full damage control mode
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>>47708021
>If money isnt an option, is it worth it?
of course. it's the only god-tier laptop on the market right now.

want confirmation? go on YT and check out tech conferences (or conferences for your favorite prog language or platform) and watch what the speakers use.


99% of them use some kind of a Mac. either MB or MBP.

that should tell you everything about what the best laptop on the market is if money is no object (and employers buy their best employees whatever they want to keep them happy).

also, see the quora link above in this thread... it's an interesting point of view.

pic related... Google's Director of Research and God of artificial intelligence.
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>>47702911
Redditors mostly use iShit and get pissy if you insult it

Notice the more Macs are pushed in this board, the faster the quality goes down
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if youŕe going to program alot on it. just make sure the screen is pleasant to look at.

iḿ using a netbook for programming and holy shit i never thought id hate 16:9 this much or 720p.

its super small, portable but just too small. I make it work because It isnt feasible to carry anything bigger than what I have but god damn
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>>47708042
No they don't. you've obviously never used one and all you're doing is shitpositng and making up shit to justify your sour grapes.
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>>47704286
>The best software for web development exists on OS X.
Web design is not a programing language. This is touching on the fact that all these fags use a GUI for their designing

>Many also cite their personal experiences with the machine to be a deciding factor.
From what I've seen most of these people use a VM to actually get their work done

>Due to Apple license restrictions, Mac OS X is the only platform that allows you to develop for any platform.
Again with the virtual machine thing.
The current marketshare for operating systems is highly in favor of windows, meaning developers will need to be using windows software for developing. This can be done on a VM but is easier and faster on a PC (without very high end hardware, non existent on a mac)
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>>47708047
>unix-like
then get a real laptop, with real hardware, and install linux on it
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>>47708148
I fail to see how a MBP doesn't fit that description.
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>>47707923
well, now you certainly
>sure showed him

kill yourself, horrible shit cunt
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>>47708124
>Web design is not a programing language. This is touching on the fact that all these fags use a GUI for their designing
Google has 40,000+ Macs. Most of their shit is not web design you mongoloid. Most of their code is for their backend. You're a fucking idiot if you think there's something that prevents Macs from doing C++/C/Go etc. etc.


>The current marketshare for operating systems is highly in favor of windows, meaning developers will need to be using windows software for developing.

Muh marketshare... no one gives a fuck about PC marketshare anymore. It's all about MOBILE! Where the fuck have you been for the last decade?
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>>47706700
Retina MacBook Pro

>13", 2560x1600 (16:10)
>9+ hours of battery life
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>>47708156
It does fit the description, but having a laptop with a proper display and better hardware is better
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the apple shills in this thread...

neo /g/ is a terrible place
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>>47708203
>battery life

http://blog.codinghorror.com/why-does-windows-have-terrible-battery-life/

OS X is the king of battery life for some reason.

>Instead of the 26% less battery life in Windows that Anand measured in 2009, we're now seeing 50% less battery life. This is an enormous gap between Windows and OS X in what is arguably the most common form of computer usage today, basic WiFi web browsing. That's shameful. Embarrassing, even.

>I had a brief Twitter conversation with Anand Shimpi of Anandtech about this, and he was as perplexed as I was. Nobody could explain the technical basis for this vast difference in idle power management on the same hardware. None of the PC vendors he spoke to could justify it, or produce a Windows box that managed similar battery life to OS X. And that battery life gap is worse today – even when using Microsoft's own hardware, designed in Microsoft's labs, running Microsoft's latest operating system released this week. Microsoft can no longer hand wave this vast difference away based on vague references to "poorly optimized third party drivers".

so how the fuck is apple managing to get these amazing battery lives?
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>>47702911
>>47702880
faggot
go fuck yourself, iCultist
>>47704204
>meme career
one of the best things I've read all day
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>>47708290
>dat butthurt
when presented with actual facts, your cognitive dissonance kicks in and you can't confront your crazy beliefs so you resort to calling others "shills". kid, that's a sure way to lose grip on the reality and eventually end up in a fucking nuthouse.
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>>47708148
>>unix-like
>then get a "real" laptop with real hardware, and install unix-like software on it

Disregarding the fact that Yosemite is in fact UNIX, this still makes zero sense.
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My needs are:
fast single core performance
SSD
good keyboard
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>>47708303
The MBA gets good battery life because it is still using a 2003 tier 1366x768 TN screen. You can find $200 Chromebooks with just as good battery life. The rMBP gets battery life because it's so fucking heavy, about .8lb more than comparable systems from other manufacturers, so it fits a battery with about 50% more capacity.
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>>47708290
>Macbooks are TERRIBLE
>no, they're not that bad
>SHILLS, FUCKING SHILLS /g/ IS FINISHED
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>>47708399
you've COMPLETELY missed the fucking point. on SAME hardware, OS X gets 50% more battery life.
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>>47702678
Make sure it has keys so you can write code in it and a screen so you can see what you are writing
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>>47708422
No fucking shit. Apple intentionally cripples its drivers for Windows.
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>>47708399
>2003 tier 1366x768 TN screen
Um...
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>>47708452
lmao... no it doesn't.

also, take a PC with same CPU and same battery capacity as Apple's MB and OS X will get 50% more battery life than the PC.
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ITT we witness Apple internet defense force ruining decent thread once again.

/g/ - Apple Inc.
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>>47704407
Hot aluminum body, which will fry your balls
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>>47708523
>shitposting instead of posting literally anything constructive, like non-Apple alternatives.

Come the fuck on, man. Nobody's even recommended a ThinkPad xx20 yet. This is easy mode.
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>>47708190
>You're a fucking idiot if you think there's something that prevents Macs from doing C++/C/Go etc. etc.
Are you talking about xcode? You can use this for programing, but to fully test a program you need it to run on a windows computer. Thinking that testing is not as relevant as programming is also idiotic.

>Thinking marketshare isn't relevant
wut

>Mobile
Works perfectly on my 17" laptop with a proper keyboard
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>>47708303
its bullshit
they claim to get 9 hours but get around 6
my t440s gets around 7 hours and thats with the 3-cell battery
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>>47708564
I can't name any other manufacturer of 16:10 laptops at all, Apple are the only ones still making them in 2015.

3:2 laptops exist like SP3 and the CBP 2.

3:2 > 16:10 all day every day
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>>47708611
>bullshit
some retard calls Jeff Attwood and Anand Lal Shimpi idiots.

now I've seen it all. /g/ truly is the most retarded tech board on the web.
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>>47704286

The retina pros get super hot and have graphics problems. Source: I use a 2013 model.
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>>47708616
I mean I don't give a shit about
>muh 16:10
He's just wrong saying that it's because of a low res display that they get better battery life.

You are right though. Everyone else has moved to 16:9.

...I wonder just how much this plays a part in programmers' choice to use Macs
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>>47708579
For reals, dude? gcc that shit in a terminal. OH WAIT YOU CANT ON Windoze
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>>47708082
>Thinking he actually programs on a laptop

Macs are good as a secondary device, next to a proper computer being used for programming

The reason why they all have macs with them is because theyve got some powerpoint running off them.
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>>47708579
you sound like someone who's been programming for few months. muh VS... dude, go learn about fucking command line.
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>>47708704
0.

From what I know, a fuck ton of programmers use Macs because they JUST FUCKING WORK.

Why the fuck do you want to spend your time fixing your computer (i.e. your productivity tool) when you just want to get on with your work?

>UNIX core
>Can run Windows and Linux in VMs (or remote in to them)
>Looks good (on the contrary, if you lugged a gaymen Alienware or MSI/Asus in to a client meeting what would they think?)

Downsides I can think of is the lack of good next day business support.
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>>47708564
I just opened this thread and these are what I get. I have 2k9 mbp, still my main work laptop to date. It's a nice laptop, but I just don't see the point of defending them so religiously.

Anyways, nice keyboard is a must have in a laptop intended for on-the-go programming. MBP's keyboard feels nice, but you might hate the minimalist layout.
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>>47708729
Prove he doesn't.

>secondary device

idiotic. you've obviously never worked for any of the SV companies.

the amount of excuses you retards will try to come up with to justify your delusions is quite amazing! you just can't admit to yourselves the truth! amazing how crazy people on here are! you should try some medications.
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>>47703043

My t420 is 1600x900
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>>47708385
Don't get a mac then.
They very rarely can be bought with an SSD and the keyboards are shit IMO
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>>47707745
THIS!
>> implying emacs does not have any keybind that you want.
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>>47708748
Oh definitely. That's why I bought my MBA, actually. I just see all the whining about nobody having 16:10 screens anymore, and I'm curious if it plays a part in anyone's choice.
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>>47708734
>>47708706
I only screenshotted the activity file in npp.
>implying i was going to open an IDE to prove a point
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>>47708772
Such ad hominem.
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>>47708929
there was absolutely NO ARGUMENTS in your previous post. what the fuck did you expect? you just pulled a bunch of bullshit out of your fat ass and you provided nothing to substantiate it.
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>>47702678
Buy a used macbook of some sort. Serious, not joking.

>light enough to carry around
>plays well with *nix, comes with a POSIX-compliant OS by default with BSD-based kernel if you don't want to just install gentoo/etc.
>standardized hardware means it's easier to find drivers and not deal with the normal mess that linux on laptops can be
>high-resolution screen with good ppi, easy to deal with multiple windows of text open next to each other without sacrificing too much space or dealing with blurry/tiny text
>battery long enough to last all day without charging
>just ssh into your home server/work station/uni for compiling because whatever laptop you buy will inevitably be less capable and have less processing power than those

The only downside to macbooks for this is their cost, which is you just buy one used and install a GNU/Linux distro over if it you don't care about the OS.
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>>47708156
It does, for double the price.
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>>47708101
Yes they do. They have very little travel distance.
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What kind of programming?

For me as an electrical engineer, a serial port is very useful for example.

Otherwise I would assume you want a powerful processor with many threads, to compile faster.

And as many ports as possible.

And a good keyboard, you'll be typing a lot obviously.
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>>47708968
no laptop has the key travel of an old mechanical keyboard. but that can be easily overcome with an external keyboard (if you're an grampa and need to hit your keys hard). having a keyboard that doesn't require a lot of key travel means your RSI will be kept at bay as well.
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>>47708968
Which is a good thing. If you're trying to bash applels, why would you pick this of all things to complain about?
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>>47708963
I challenge you to find an objectively better, business class machine than the 13" MBPr for $650.

>>47708998
Less travel distance also means faster typing speed, at least when it comes to laptop keyboards.

That said, I fucking hate the new butterfly keys.
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>>47709033
>>47709065
No, less travel distance is not a good thing. If it were, then every keyboard would shoot for low travel distance.

>>47709065
>objectively better
That's stupid because I could find a machine that the mac isn't "objectively better" than.
For $650 you can get a machine that actually has acceptable specs.
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this business class shillpad would have been good if it had 16gb ram... holy shit every laptop in my office made the jump to 16gb of ram this year. I like everything else about it though.
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>>47709117
>No, less travel distance is not a good thing. If it were, then every keyboard would shoot for low travel distance.
Have you ever used a high-end mechanical keyboard? Low travel distance is a good thing. That's why they make many keyswitches for mechs that don't require bottoming-out the key. Please tell me this is supposed to be some kind of parody post and people like this don't actually post on /g/ seriously. Not even an applel user.
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>>47709175
High actuation points are a godsend, but there's nothing better than making a big racket bottoming out keys
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>>47709117
I didn't say it was a good thing, I said it led to faster typing speeds. I also said I fucking hate the new keyboard, despite however much faster I am on it.

When I say objectively better, I'm telling you to find a machine for $650 that has better specs than the 13" MBPr. I apologize if I wasn't clear enough for you.
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>>47709175
isnt there a difference between bottoming out and actuating?
and yes, travel distance makes a HELL of a difference
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>>47708734
>>47708706
>2015
>not using an IDE
I get you're really cool cos you know how to use a command line, but IDEs are faster and simpler.
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>>47709245
Yes, but rubber dome and scissor keyboards (like in laptops) have to bottom to actuate. Mechanical keyboards don't.
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>>47709245
>isnt there a difference between bottoming out and actuating?
Yes, which is what I'm saying. Bottoming-out requires you to fully depress the key until it hits the bottom. On a (at least, most or almost all of them) mechanical keyboard, this is not required to actuate the key. You only have to press it a short distance to actuate, which is much easier on the fingers and allows for faster typing.
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>>47709175
>Have you ever used a high-end mechanical keyboard
Yes, higher end than you.
All cherry switches have a 4mm travel and 2mm actuation point.
Travel distance is not actuation point.

>>47709191
You do realize the $1300 model is a joke right?
Not even an i7, only 128GB SSD, no dedicated video.
Even the $2500 model has a mediocre video card.
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Sure is FoxConn here
Lel
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>>47707890

This is absolutely correct. NONE of the trackpads in the market is decent enough to fully replace a mouse. Even the expensive ones. I'd love to know what notebook other than a macbook (nope, I won't buy that unless you're payimg) has a tolerable trackpad...
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>>47709324
Still waiting on an alternative
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>>47706729
muh nigga. latitudes are the new thinkpads.
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>>47709390
Best trackpads.
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>>47702678
Something with a decent screen and keyboard, really.
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>>47709324
http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/terms.php
>Activation Point (or Operating Position) is the key travel distance where the key is actually recognized by the keyboard.

https://i.imgur.com/DHfyMqP.gif

I honestly have no idea if you've made a serious misunderstanding or are this retarded. Travel distance is the distance to the actuation point. Not needing to bottom out every key to actuate it is a good thing. Which is why the actuation point on most mechanicals is 2mm, and don't require you to bottom out at 4mm.
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>>47708960
>used macbook
>good battery life
ishygddt
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>>47702678
The gateway NE522 series
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>>47709370
HP Pavillion 15t is $560, or $610 for the full HD screen. Only slightly slower but less than half the price. Has a 1TB hard drive but you could swap that out for a $60 SSD.

Latitude 15 3000 is $870 for similar specs but actually has a dedicated video card.

>>47709368
Use trackpoints.

>>47709472
Yes, that's exactly what I said. Actuation distance is distance to actuation, but the total key travel is the distance to the bottom out point (4mm).
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>>47709522
15t
>HP's absolute shit tier keyboard
>Non-IPS screen, worse resolution, worse PPI
>Not as portable as 13", not as powerful as 15"
>Having to modify your computer out of the box

And I can't find a FHD Latitude 3000 for $870, though the $960 model does look breddy gud, despite not having a SSD.
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>>47709671
>And I can't find a FHD Latitude 3000 for $870
There's one that doesn't have it standard but it can be customized.
A 120-128GB SSD goes for about $60 nowadays.
8GB of RAM costs about $55, assuming both the slots are filled already.
All you have to do is get a laptop with a decent screen, CPU, and GPU if you need it, then throw in about $100 to get an SSD and upgrade RAM.
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>>47704407
!Double Jeopardy
-overheats
-no visual studio
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get a rmbp and you will not regret it.
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>>47709707
>find a machine for $650 that has better specs
>well there's this that doesn't have better specs but if you change it to something else...
0/10
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>>47709707
Lol you did fail the challenge, but that Latitude 15 is a really interesting interesting option.

I do believe a "production" machine should just werk though.
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>>47702678
Your brain is your tool not the computer.
You should focus more on sharpening your skills than building a computer
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>>47709790
"Half the price" was a hyperbole but still doesn't change the fact that macs have total shit value. Their $1300 machines have the same specs as $800 PCs, their $2500 machines have the same specs as $1200 machines, and they have no answer for any PC more expensive than that.

Basically they're good at being shiny.
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>>47709827
Show me a $1300 "PC" with the same specs as the rMBP.
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>>47709827
Why would you ever compare laptops to desktop machines?
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>>47709827
Oh yeah at the high end the rMBP gets ridiculous, but I imagine that OP isn't going to be spending almost $3k on a laptop.

>>47709834
Wtf dude that's ez mode. That's why the challenge was to do it for half.

Here, I'll even do it for you. Dell XPS 13.
Or if you mean the 15" rMBP, the top end Latitude 15 3000, if you swap for a SSD.

>>47709854
What are you on about?
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>>47709885
>le autobrightness cuck meme laptop
Go away dell shill.
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>>47709854
I'm not. I'm comparing apple laptops to non-apple laptops.

>>47709834
Latitude 15 3000
i7 5500U, better than the mac
8GB DDR3, same as the mac
GeForce 830M 2GB, far better than mac
Costs $959, or about $1030 after adding an SSD.
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>>47709905
>1366x768 TN screen
>2 hours of battery life
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>>47709914
Wrong, 1920x1080 screen and 58 WHr battery, which at those specs is probably 5 hours.
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>>47709923
>still TN
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>>47709896
Sorry, I'm not really in the market for a new laptop, so I haven't kept up with all the issues of what's come out lately. Is this different from how the MacBook handles auto-brightness?
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>>47709927
Okay, go pay $500 extra for a better screen that you don't have the video horsepower to do anything graphics-intensive with.
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>>47709927
Yeah I know the screen is one of the greatest things about the Retina, but at this point you're paying ~$1k more for just the screen.

I definitely think the Latitude is a better value.
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>>47702906
if they didn't have the macbook i might mistake them for amish.
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