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Computer Science is useless

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I found an interesting /g/ thread today.

It explains perfectly well why a CS degree is useless in 2015.

>>47624518
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>>47630095
Most stupid blog post I read today
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>>47630095
So a bachelor's degree?
Anyone could have told you that
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>mfw studied CS for 4 years and liberal arts majors coming out of intensive 4 month coding bootcamps are getting better paid dev jobs than me and fellow CS graduates.
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>>47630140

A master's degree in CS leads to more smugness but the same CRUD web application.

The only thing more useless than a CS degree is master's degree in CS.
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>>47630127

Where do you see a blog post?
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Bump for CS tears.
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CS =/= programming
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>>47630521

Bump for shortest path to sea of CS tears.
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>>47630095
>>47630140
>>47630177
>>47630281
>>47630369
>>47630521
>>47630547
>>47630620

samefag shill for shitty "bootcamps"
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>>47630177
>mfw
>doesnt post a face

hey shill, you must be /g/nu here
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Loving how OP's pic doesn't feature anything about CS.
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>>47630095
I could have told you that. Most CS fags will be out of a job in the next 10 years do the major breakthroughs in automation. Since most CS fags only went in for programming jobs anyways. CS for Indians is basically becoming what landscaping is to Mexicans. Depreciated field only gaymur fags go into. If you aren't getting a phd then do something else if you don't want to starve in the future.
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>>47630780
>PhD in math
>MSc in CS
>any job I want
>$300k starting
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>>47630814
Nice meme friend
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>>47630780

What do you do faggot
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>>47630695

This is so true. If you dare to speak your mind on Hacker News, reddit or Quora about these cult-like coding bootcamps a horde of shills will instantly shut you down.
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>>47630780
you're a fucking retard.
>automation

guess who has to make the automation
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>>47630878

A few very highly specialized professionals.

Not enough to employ the hordes CS majors coming out of college these days.
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>>47630851
I basically party for a living.

>>47630878
What good is automation if you have the entire work force working? Most will be replaced and only top tier talent will be working on any automation up to a certain point. It's a dying field, just leave with grace and let the sjws you guys hate so much take over and run it into the ground.
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>>47630095
Strange, my employer would not even consider an applicant who did not attend a top 5 university. I fail to see how code monkey camp would change that.
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>>47630994
what's your field?
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Does this mean software sngineering was a good idea? Just finished first year engineering, computer engineering looks cool too.
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>>47631088
Software engineering is what most courses call “computer science”

It's the same thing
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>>47630095
But... computer engineering is still useful right? Right?
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>going to college
>for the degree
>literally spending thousands just for the piece of paper
>you believes this piece of paper entitles people to hand you jobs
>hundreds of thousands of these papers are generated every year

The reason why an art major that went to a Dev boot camp has a job and you don't is because the art major networked while doing his shitty camp. He has something to show for it and got his full money's worth, while one of the many cs majors that did nothing but go to class for 4 years isn't very appealing to employers.

There's nothing wrong with college, buts its not the degree itself that's of value, and you'd have to be a fool to think that changing the major makes you exponentially more valuable than the other thousands of fresh grads
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>>47631040
Quantitative development
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>>47631040
Applied theory of shitposting.
Anyone with a job knows all that matters is talent. You get individuals that never went to school who are more competent than students from muh top 5. After a certain point in your career where you went to school becomes irrelevant.
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>>47631178
>degree is just a piece of paper

It's a piece of paper that shows you know your fucking shit.
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>>47631164
soon computers will be engineering themselves. rip you
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>>47631207
Once they start doing that were all fucked. The machines will show no mercy.
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>>47631207
>computers will be engineering themselves
I bet you believe AI is harmful too.
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>>47631204
a piece of paper that shows you didn't fail along with the thousands of other graduates, you mean
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>>47631204
Just like everyone that went through the same thing, and there are a fucking lot. If you don't have anything extra to show, then good luck mate.
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>>47631226
i bet you believe passive aggressive statements are a good way to cover up your idiocy
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>>47631257
I'm glad you believe I'm an idiot, Mr ignorant shitposter.
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>>47631178
>spending thousands

What third-world shithole do you live in?
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>>47631284
the third world shitehole whos tit your eurocuck countrys are sucking on
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>>47631192
confirmed for buttmad DeVry student
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>>47631178
>I went to a bootcamp! I'm a hacker now! XDDD
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>>47630780
What are you even trying to say?

I have an MSc in CS and had a full stack development job before I graduated.

Doing consultancy now and have recruiters constantly hassling me.
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> 18 (now 19) unique posters

hmmmmm
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>>47631192
>Anyone with a job knows all that matters is talent.
So graduating from a university that an employer deems to produce good talent whilst weeding out those who do not is not a display a talent? Flawless logic.
>You get individuals that never went to school who are more competent than students from muh top 5.
Predominantly false.
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>>47631458

What are you saying? Do we have a shill among us?
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I made it to CAL-M
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>>47631473
There are way too many weirdos in this field. I think the interview and whether you fit in means the most once you have passed the technical parts. And uni 100% does matter in lots of jobs.
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Is a degree in IT useless? I enjoy working with computers but suck at math and can't program for shit. I was considering IT but all I can think about is indians doing tech support and that movie Office Space.
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>>47631588
If you do IT you can either be an IT teacher or the guy who is good at excel in your call center.
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u dont need a degree to do anyrhing u can just but all the colege textbooks and learn everything hurrr durr

how do u think i am a rocket engineer?
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>>47631588

IT is a growing field. alot of jobs for it, if your certified that is...
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>>47631840

Here's a Small Handy chart of some of the certs and applying jobs you could get. It's also has the Bright Colors you retar-... coders love to use.
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>>47631916
Holy shit! What a shitload of generic bullshit positions!
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>>47632034

Unlike Coders, we like simplicity...and money... oh do we like money...
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>>47630095
> want to get a job outside of academia
> getting a science degree instead of an engineering degree

And you're surprised?
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>>47631916
Saved. I actually live in Chicago so hopefully if I play my cards right I could get a job that pays even close to 70k. Thanks for the info it's a big help.
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CE faggots who can't into math and theoretical computer science trying to justify not studying CS. CE is the slower younger brother of CS, just like Engineering with Physics
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>>47632160
>$70k
>we like money
topkek
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>>47632323
Oh lord, I wish for the CS communities sake that this were true.

It's a shame that most schools have raped it and turned it into code-monkeying 101 though. Physics and engineering degrees require about the same level of math, while CS degrees ask for significantly less.
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>>47632370
Do you even do proofs aka actual math in engineering fields?
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>>47632412
In engineering FIELDS? No, not unless you're a researcher. You could say the same for CS degree holders working in industry.

As an engineering MAJOR? Yes, you definitely do. Nothing as rigorous as an actual math degree would have you do, but you should encounter them just as often as you would in a Physics undergrad program.
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>>47632485
field as in field of study

not a native speaker though so that may not be the best fitting term
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gump
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Show should I switch my major before I start at ODU in the fall?
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>>47630095
Nice meme, NEET faggot
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>>47630095
If a CS degree is useless then why is my inbox full of $80k job offers?
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>>47633723
Because they have yet to discover you didn't learn anything.
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>>47631178
there's nothing wrong with going to college or getting a degree so long as you work/internet during your 4 years and get good work experience in your field or a related field

college degree doesn't make the resume, it rounds it out. work experience more or less 'makes' the resume
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What's the best boot camp /g/

I wanna buy a new corvette
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>>47631253
are there really people who do 4 years of CS and nothing else? No research with profs, no jobs/projects, no clubs, just their degree?
fuck did you people do for 4 years
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>>47631511
underrated post
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>>47630869
Have you seen the horror stories that "graduates" post online about some bootcamps? Not being able to find a job, getting legal threats from the bootcamp creator when they complain, getting told by employers who visit during the bootcamp they aren't worth it, etc.

A CS degree is just as good today as it was 10 years ago, but the problem is that OP thinks it's just the degree that should have gotten him a job. He's angry that spending $60k for a piece of paper didn't land him his dream job, and now he's shitposting on /g/ at his $27k IT job at some community college. I guess he should have spent his time outside class working on personal projects that he could showcase to potential employees when they ask? Maybe he could have taken an internship course that sets him up with a $20/hr internship that almost guarantees him a good job when he graduates? He could even have asked his professors for networking opportunities to open doors for him, if the professors knew who he was or remembered him since he sat in the back of the classroom and didn't ask questions or get straight A's.

What I'm saying is, OP is a whiny little bitch who should have tried harder in his CS program. Instead, he shitposts on /g/ because it's the highlight of his day.
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>>47632333
>topkek
is on welfare
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>>47632370

Its practically the same math at UCF, considering CS at UCf is ABET.
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I'm going to start uni in September, probably majoring in CS. Don't care about jobs because I'm doing it because I love (theoretical) CS. Should I minor in Math or Physics though?
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>>47636001
My nigger
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Would I learn anything of value by taking Harvard's CS50x?
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Bump for CS tears.
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>>47637612

If you have the math skills you should minor in math. Otherwise it might be possible to minor in software/computer engineering or business administration.

You can easily get a job without a minor in math but if you want to get into theoretical CS or modern cryptography a minor in math is essential.
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>>47638239
bump for NEET delusion
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>>47638277

>Algorithm completed.

>Shortest path to CS fag found.
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>>47630095
CS / supply chain double major. $160K / year doing SAP Oracle Java C and Unix work. The CS degree was excellent for preparing me for application tuning. Learning the right data structures and algorithms apply best to a given problem make you immensely more valuable than a horde of underskilled bootcampers. The key is you can't be a casual C/B student in CS. You also need to keep looking for useful improvements in the field and finding a use in your daily job.
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>>47638509
>The key is you can't be a casual C/B student in CS.

The only line of truth in this shitty thread.
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>>47638190
I started it with some rudimentary programming knowledge and it was really slow and the lecturer kind of irked me. I'd recommend working through a good book instead.
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>>47638190

Codecademy.com is better.
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It's 2015. No need to learn anything else than Node.js on the backend and react or angularjs on the frontend. Mix it up with some jQuery and Bootstrap and you can make better shit than 80% of CS majors.
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WHO CE MASTER RACE HERE
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>>47638767

CE is as useless as CS.

For FPGA/ARM/embedded stuff EEs are preferred.

For anything else you are as useless as the CS guys.
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>>47638793
Nice meme.
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>>47630547
So what is it then? And more importantly how do you earn money with it?
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>>47638767
>>47638795

Aww can't handle the truth?

99% of you end up doing CRUD web/business applications.

Why wouldn't I hire a 4 month coding bootcamp graduate over a 4 year CS/CE graduate?
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>>47638702

Eh, for what? I already completed both the python and ruby courses. They don't have any general cs course
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95% of CS graduates find a job in their field here in Sweden
About half of them already have offers lining up before even finishing their degree.

I have no idea where this LOL CS IS A JOKE meme comes from.
Also I had more math classes than my engineering friends. CS is literally a subset of math I have no idea why some of you think engineers have more math than we do.
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>>47638793
CE is shit? Really?
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>>47638190

the mit edx course is good as well. if you havne't done cs or programmed beforethen it's usefujl
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>>47638928

CS math is significantly easier than most engineering math.

Yes we do have more math than civil engineers but we have nothing on electrical engineers doing signal processing or mechanical engineers doing finite element analysis or fluid dynamics.

Discreet mathematics and linear algebra is easy as pie.
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Hm. Here I am reading for exams for my masters in CS and to be honest. We all are getting good paid jobs before we are done. Computer technology will not stop evolving, so the use of CS is huge in the future.
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>>47639095
Signal processing was mandatory for CS students at my school.

Also shared all my math classes with EE students the difference being that they took vector calculus while we took set theory and discrete math because automata theory builds up on it.

At a graduate level we had abstract algebra while they stopped taking such general classes and starting getting more technical.

I liked signal processing and found it easy and fun to work with.

I'm starting to think lower tier American schools do CS differently so that's why it's taken less seriously by eng students.
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>>47630095
>CS degree useless
For someone who aims at a job in software/web development, maybe. You don't need that shit to be good at javascript. In fact you don't even need intellect to be good at javascript, as evidenced by the state of modern day internet.

If you don't wanna be a disposable codemonkey and you're looking for a job in research and more technical fields then CS/maths degree is more valuable.
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Is now the time to go into education with a CS degree to rob these faggot hipster students flooding in?
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I'm gonna go CE.
Can you expect half of the students being filthy weebs like myself?
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>>47639804
I can only talk about SE.
All the weebs here have complete shit taste.
And seriously recommend you crap like Fairy Tail and Elfenlied. There's also that guy who always reads Naruto mangas online on his laptop during lectures.
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>>47639824
I guess you can't expect much from normals.
I hope you hid your powerlevel and bullied them for watching gay ass cartoons.
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>>47639852
No, I recommended them decent stuff.

Only after them mentioning anime of course - I would never bring it up myself.
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>>47639727
Yes.
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>>47639882
Have you converted them into SoL fanboys yet.
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>>47630095
Oh look, someone who expects that not having a degree is going to be just fine once they get senior dev status and management positions start opening up. Yeah, let me know how that works out for you, OP.
Not impossible, but the odds are forever not in your favor.
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>>47639095
>but we have nothing on electrical engineers doing signal processing or mechanical engineers doing finite element analysis
We do here, same for statistics and probabilites. We also have things like diff geometry and topology, algebraic topology and topological K-theory as well as functional analysis and engineers don't have any of these. Saying discrete math and linear algebra are easy as pie is true if you're doing vector additions and elementary graph theory. Except that's not the only thing you do.

Oh and unlike engineers, we're actually doing math, as in proving results.

CS is about understanding computation and the existing models to perform them... This has nothing to do with the thinly veiled IT degrees most universities offer.
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>>47638854
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about
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>>47640127

Care to explain?
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>>47630095
>Texture
>This
>Acer
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>>47639496
America just have too many shitty universities. Hence why this "CS IS JOKE" meme has been circulating around /g/ for quite some times now.

A CS Degree in my country is usually under the Engineering field (BEng), we have to go through the same maths as an EE student.
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>>47631178
College is Free in my country
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>>47640398

It is in most civilized countries.
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>>47630095
Enjoy working at the call center, OP.
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>>47639804
Not if you are actually in a university's college if engineering. Expect normies, and expect them to be better than you.
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>>47638854
>Why wouldn't I hire a 4 month coding bootcamp graduate over a 4 year CS/CE graduate?

lmao because you're a moron
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>>47640398

Free as in tax paid.
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>>47641311
At least my tax dollars don't go to people collecting dick pics.
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Computer Science will always be viable for people like me because most graduates simply cannot program. The fact that I can sit down and hack together what's asked of me makes me better than at least half of all graduates.
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>>47642809
It makes you a better hacker, not a better computer scientist. CS will always be viable for people like me because there are people who believe it's only about programming.
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So much CS major tears! We have a buffer overflow!
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>>47640007
>quotes gay shit
>wants to be a corporate stooge lifer
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>>47644831

Aww you're such memester.
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>>47641432

So you live in a country without internet?
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>Have degree with a bunch of experience
>All project where I did nothing and just relied on my teammates
>Interview with Sony and two web dev firms in the coming two weeks

Can't wait to disappoint them!
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>>47631178
no degree = you are most likely a piece of trash.

>inb >im smart but lazy XDD
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>>47636001

Best post in this thread
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>>47631178

The degree is just a baseline. If anything it tells an employer you're capable of getting through data structures, operating systems, even the calculus series. It means you didn't get weeded out from the scrubs that a) can't work hard or b) are too dumb to keep up with the material.

Beyond that, of course you have to work at your interviewing skills, network, and get your name out there. That's extremely obvious.
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>>47649492
>Beyond that, of course you have to work at your interviewing skills, network, and get your name out there. That's extremely obvious.

You'd be surprised with how many CS grads in my program I find after graduation just hunting for jobs and lurking the school IRC channels.
They didn't think internships were a big deal. Boy were they wrong.
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>>47649591
This is why I left the midwest and went to California for college. TONS of internships are just 35 miles north in Silicon Valley.
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>>47635857
Play scholarship football.
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>>47631646
>guy who is good at excel in your call center.
haha

fuck
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>>47632160
76k in NYC? Get out of here with that shit. Good luck living there.
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>>47630847
What is Finance?
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>>47632412
>proofs aka actual math
aka chalkboard science
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>>47638928
>CS is literally a subset of math
no it fucking isn't you fedora-wielding autist

you might as well say Engineering and Physics are subsets of math if you're going to be spewing this bullshit.

You go up to fucking ODEs and discrete math aka baby shit
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I'm finishing up my sophomore year as a CS major. As far as I know, I'm going to be the first college grad in any technical field in my family... Everyone else that actually graduated college got a degree in business, social work, or nursing.
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>signing up for college
>see progaming course
>hell yeah
>sign up for it
>it's programming and not progaming
>spend 3 years learning and doing stuff I'm not interested in
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this thread is really tearing me apart. im taking a coding class in c++ and i understand it but afterwards i have to follow up with a curriculum course in either CS or CE. i'm really feeling the business and CE combo but it sounds like CS and bussines should be my concern. any and all advice cuz things are starting to get shaky for me
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>>47649386
>>47637870
Thanks guys.
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>>47652397
Depends what you want to do and the difference between the majors for your university.
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>>47649591
>They didn't think internships were a big deal. Boy were they wrong.
I have to say considering I didn't have an internship my school did a great job in giving me the tools to get a entry level job. With that said if I could do everything over again I would have put less focus on taking summer classes to finish up two degrees and focused more on getting a summer internship.
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>>47639824
what is the most /g/ approved anime out there?
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People just post random shit to get responses. Don't take any of it seriously. This board and /sci/ are some of the goofiest on the internet when it comes to autismal youngsters desperate to get responses on their half baked ideas about the world.
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>>47640283
>A CS Degree in my country is usually under the Engineering field (BEng), we have to go through the same maths as an EE student.

But that's dumb. The math needed in CS and EE are very different. CS should be studying stuff like set theory, number theory, graph theory, proofs etc. While EE should be studying calculus, differential equations, complex analysis, etc.
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>>47630547
CS =/= math either
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>visit that devbootcamp site just because
>see how much they charge in the 'Tuition' tab out of curiosity
>get pic related
>pause to check my white male privilege
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>>47652841
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>>47632323

CE has far more math than CS.

>>47632370
>most schools
Correction: All schools

The "shit school" mantra is just a scapegoat. All CS programs are pathetic.

>inB4 But muh Demorgan's law "Mathematical logic" and A* "Graph Theory" is super mathematical! And and we use the principle of induction for highly theoretic proofs!
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>>47638928
>CS is literally a subset of math

Patently false. The pathetically watered down math concepts in CS don't even count as being math. Just because you show the run time of an algorithm with induction or use reduction to show NP completeness does NOT mean you are doing math.

The biggest problem in CS are the retarded majors that horrifically overestimate the difficulty of their studies and religiously defend against people calling them out on it.
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>>47630095
>why a CS degree is useless in 2015.

The problem with CS degrees is that they don't require enough coursework. A good major would have to look like this:

>Required
Programming
Data Structures
Algorithms
Digital Logic
Computer Architecture
Programming Paradigms
Operating Systems Theory
Advanced System and Network Programming
Programming Languages and Compilers
Theory of Computation
Professionalism, Ethics, Risk-Assessment and Legalities
Technical Writing
Linear Algebra
Vector Calculus
Ordinary Differential Equations
Probability
Statistics
Proofs and Abstract Mathematics
Combinatorics and Graph Theory
Numerical Analysis

>Elective Groups (Must pick one course from 11 groups)

>A
Provable Security
Mathematical Cryptography
Cryptographic Implementation and Network Security

>B
Kernel and Driver Development
Compiler Implementation
Malware Analysis and Reverse Engineering

>C
Image Processing
Computer Graphics
Computer Vision

>D
Artificial Intelligence
Natural Language Processing
Pattern Recognition and Data Mining

>E
Combinatorial Optimization and Network Flows
Approximation Algorithms
Linear Programming

>F
Communication Theory
Digital Signal Processing
Information Theory and Coding Theory

>G
Control Theory
Computational Modelling and Simulation
Dynamical Systems Theory

>H
Advanced Complexity Theory
Quantum Computing
Mathematical Logic

>I
Databases
Distributed Systems
Networks

>J
Software "Engineering"
Economics
Mathematical Finance
Co-Op

>K
One year sequence of science courses
Circuits and Microelectronics

>L
2 advanced math courses not overlapping with the above
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>>47653060

This is bait.
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