Let's be honest with ourselves here. This is the only distribution

>>47579500
*ubuntu [and for that matter, most other debian-based distros] are indeed as close to perfect as you can get with lignux on the desktop and server.

>>47579500

No.

>>47579500
https://fixubuntu.com/

>>47579500
Xubuntu is the best all around distro

Especially if you get Xubuntu minimal

>>47579500
*Ubuntu minimal you should ever consider

Ubuntu with MATE is where it's at.

Or you could use ubuntu minimal and use whatever you wish.

I enjoy Arch. But ubuntu is good. only if it had pacman and AUr..

>>47579595
>tfw Ubuntu MATE styled like Ubuntu 9.10
feels good

>>47579571
lol. the fuck is xubuntu minimal? you mean installing xfce on ubuntu mini?

>>47579571
I've been using Xubuntu for years, what's Xubuntu minimal?

>>47579500
>This is the only distribution you should ever consider.
Actually for numerous reasons it would be fedora.

>>47579628
>>47579635
the minimal installer. jesus dude. every ubuntu and *ubuntu has a minimal installer. it's basically the console debian installer interface. greater control over packages on a fresh install.

>>47579648
elaborate

>>47579655
The point of installing *ubuntu is precisely not having to use the minimal installer in my opinion. Still, I see your point and it's true the minimal installer is there, but I always overlooked it.

>>47579628
It's Xubnuntu with none of the reccomended packages, just what you need to run the system

Came without the software center, photo viewer, music player, CD burner, office suite, ect. so you can chose your own.

Just google Xubuntu minimal install

>>47579676
yeah, it's not for everyone, but it is common knowledge that you can always grab the minimal iso.

>>47579648
Fedora on server?
You must be really retarded considering their short support cycles. even gentoo is more popular for hosted servers:
http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/os-linux/all/all

>>47579500
>And if you hate Unity or Amazon or whatever, just use Xfce/Xubuntu.
I dislike both Unity and Xfce.

>>47579755
What do you like?

>>47579694
i'll look. i have done minimal myself. but never heard of xubuntu minimal. sounds good though.

>>47579675
rpm
upstream of rhel, it's backed by redhat and financed by redhat
iup to date and stable
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security_Features_Matrix
best gnome experience you can get
less bloat then ubuntu
first to adopt wayland
first to adopt systemd
fedora team doesn't go full retard with distro specific features resulting in distro specific bugs like debian/ubuntu
no amazon/ads

>>47579755
You can use literally any DE or WM

>>47579755
In that case you move on to mate.

>>47579745
>Fedora on server?
use fucking centos.

>>47579779
I like it, less bloat, and I honestly don't need stuff like Pidgin or the Software Center

>>47579694
can you link? only info i see is ubuntu mini with option to instal xubuntu on the disc. if that is what you mean

>>47579809
yeah I agree. i also don't use a damn printer

>>47579763
Cinnamon.
>>47579789
Every time I tried to change DE manually bad things happened.
>>47579793
Cinnamon has more features and better looks.

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>>47579500

OK so what is this NOOB.

>>47579834
Not Korora.

>>47579810
Follow this guide

http://www.maketecheasier.com/install-a-minimal-ubuntu-on-old-laptop/

When it gets to software selection there will be a Xubuntu minimal option

>>47579843
korora is literally fedora + rpmfusion repos preinstalled

>>47579655
>every ubuntu and *ubuntu has a minimal installer
no they dont retard. theres only one ubuntu minimal, it includes no gui. there is no xubuntu minimal, idiot

>>47579853
xfce is not xubuntu retard

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>>47579886
There absolutely is a Xubuntu minimal option that comes without all of the extra packages

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>>47579648
I like my distros like my women. Constantly rolling.

>install ubuntu
>install some package
>this is weird, where is...
>check the version
>0.4.2
>check what i usually had in Arch or what's in Debian testing
>0.8.5

And that's why Ubuntu is rather bad.
Example: qBittorrent. Ubuntu has 3.1.8 which is rather ancient by now, where the actual current stable release is 3.1.12.

>>47579923

moar like bloatsuse

I replaced the word "open" with "bloat" to signify my opinion about the distro. It comes with a lot of unnecessary software by default, hence the description of bloat.

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>>47579901
Ugh

In this picture right fucking here

When you get to software selection

There will be a Xubuntu minimal option

I know it dosen't show in this picture, but it is there because I got it myself a month ago

I didn't say to follow the guide all the way and put Xfce on top did I? No I told him that there is a Xubuntu minimal option there, because there is! Don't argue with me about this fact because it is 100% true.

>>47579500
Ignoring the fact that this is clearly b8, that would kill one of the biggest selling points of Linux, and just FOSS in general. Sure, maybe Ubuntu is the best all-round distro (I'd say that's Debian myself, but whatever), but not everybody is looking for an all-round distro. The sheer amount of choice that becomes available when you have so many people working on a vaguely tied-together project means that nine times out of ten there'll be something to fit your specific variety of autism - and if there isn't, you can either modify something else or, provided you have the skill required, make your own.

>>47579500
I use Ubuntu unity on my main computer and xubuntu on my shitty laptop. Everything just works.

>>47579945
>Example: qBittorrent. Ubuntu has 3.1.8 which is rather ancient by now, where the actual current stable release is 3.1.12.

Hell. Bluez in Ubuntu is still on version 4. Version 5 came out over two years ago.

>>47579500
>forcing people into one distribution
kek, you have no power here bill

>>47580005

I just don't get it. They're one of the major distributions, yet their packages are really out of date. They're not even going for ultra stability, like one of Debian's repositories. If they can't even follow and package the latest software which IS considered stable, what else are they doing and wasting all that money on?

>>47579822
>Every time I tried to change DE manually bad things happened.
thats because you are using shitty distro
>ubuntu

>>47579985
>Wifi problems
>GPU problems
>Soundcard problems
>Other drivers/firmware missing
>Grub problems
>CPU: 100%
>codec problems


Does it ever fucking end

>>47579966
>only option is for full Xubuntu Desktop

>dont argue with me theres Xubuntu Minimal option
>even though pic doesnt show it its true trust me guys dont argue with me

>>47579500
I use mint, because Just Werkz™

>>47579966
Oh that's kind of neat. I didn't realise.

>>47579945
>>47580005
>>47580037

>old versions work fine
>lets cry about it anyway

>>47580047
It had nothing to do with my distro base, same would have happened on other bases.

>>47580066
Yes, I said it myself already

>I know it dosen't show in this picture, but it is there because I got it myself a month ago

I don't give a shit if you don't believe me that it's there, just stop talking to me if you won't bother reading the few sentences that I wrote you mong

>>47579822
>Every time I tried to change DE manually bad things happened.

I bet you get your alternates DEs from download.com

Native exFAT support when?

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All these silly derivatives linux fags have to bother with to satisfy their autism. Meanwhile, on Windows, I have a better looking OS with superior functionality and efficiency - *and* I get paid. Stay hurt, haters.

>>47580050
Never had any problems. Maybe you just have bad luck.

>>47580084

>there is better, improved software out there which works equally fine or better
>i don't want it!

That's your logic.

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>>47580119
>windows
>a better looking OS with superior functionality and efficiency

ITT: my opinions > your opinions

>>47580129
Is it really improved or does it just do more things

>>47580119
you failed at the "superior efficiency" part of your bait
lmao

>>47580119
>I have a better looking OS
opinion
>superior functionality
Why, because you can play a broader collection of games?
>and efficiency
incorrect
>*and* I get paid.
implying I dont

>>47580140
Fuck my opinions.
Your opinions > my opinions

>>47580119

A thousand times this.

>Windows
>install, get to work

>Linux
>rice for six months
>read the sixty page manual on getting your software to work
>i-it's .2% faster on renders though provided you use NVidia otherwise it shits the bed

A babby OS for babbys who don't work, but play.

Ubuntu: an OS so shitty that they struggle to beat Vista usage even when they literally give it away for free

>>47580129
new versions are actually worse

>>47580166
>rice for six months
>implying you have to do this

>read the sixty page manual on getting your software to work
>implying you have to do this and it doesn't JustWerk™

>A babby OS for babbys who don't work, but play.
strong implications

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>>47580167
That dosen't mean the OS is shitty, that means the general computer user base doesn't know about it or doesn't want to bother learning it

If you weren't an idiot you'd know that already

Guys is it still safe to install Crunchbang?

Pls raspond

>>47580202
Don't install anything.

Something will go wrong.

>>47580166
>A babby OS for babbys who don't work, but play.
Strong words for someone who uses an OS revolving around gaymen and nothing else.

>>47580217
Nothing ever goes wrong while installing gentoo

>>47580179

Enjoy your lack of security updates.
Let me guess, you're one of those idiots who still use uTorrent 2.2 or older versions of network exposed software.

>>47580196
Yet plenty of people choose firefox or chrome.

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>>47579923

>>47580233
It's easier to chose another browser than a whole operating system

>>47579853
thanks i tried minimal a couple times just didnt remember DE ooption. maybe i was used to debian netinstal

does it still get all the drivers and shit?

>>47579966
but is it even minimal; and not just the full xubuntu?that is what I always figured.like when you install xubuntu-desktop or whatever

>>47580202
yes. just use debian repos silly.well. that's what I always did and it was fine of course.

think of #! as just an installer that work sout of box with openbox for debian.and use debian repos. just like antergos

>>47580244
>implying that anyone who uses a rolling distro ever gets laid

I agree with OP that Ubuntu is the only distro you can really consider for desktop. It's not just the babby tier software store they have it's all the little things. Like how easy it is to install codecs and other proprietary shit that other distros make you jump through hoops for. And it has nice fonts by default. The other distros have you jump through hoops once again to get infinality to work.

>>47580167
>>47580233
https://youtu.be/SUJtMlEwd6Q?t=19m3s

>>47580324
i just install ubuntu freetype/fontconnfig through AUR

butyeah. ubuntu is good

>>47580324
If Debian put their firmware/drivers on the main install and made Sid their main, everything would be perfect.

But I guess everything I just listed is Ubuntu so here we are.

>>47579500
>The right thing for me is the right thing for everybody

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>>47580268
Well being AMD I switched to proprietary drivers, but that's about it

>>47580285
It's Xubuntu with less packages pretty much, just the desktop and enough stuff to hook up to the internet ect

It comes with 1100 packages default whereas regular Xubuntu comes with like 1900 if I remember correctly

Mint is like Ubuntu but better in pretty much every way. Plus Mint's project lead is anti-Israel.

>>47579628
>>47579694
Or you could just install fucking Debian and xfce.
Why do people actually use Ubuntu?
Its literally just Debian sid with cancer and autism on top.

>>47580369
I wouldn't wish going through any linux install on nobody.

Even when I installed Xubuntu on a laptop of mine it still managed to fuck everything up.
I had to manage system settings from a live USB on the existing install in order to fix whatever Grub decided to do.

>>47580378
Will never understand the love for Mint. /g/ usually hates bloat in every way but Linux distros seem to the exception. Everyone just recommends the most bloated distro because everyone knows that never having to install a single program ever is what makes a good OS.

>>47579951
Clearly you've never actually installed OpenSUSE. The DVD is big but most of it is optional. It's entirely possible to install a minimal OS with OpenSUSE. That said, I simply don't like OpenSUSE's package manager or centralised settings software, so I use Arch instead.

>>47580408
I have tried various ways to install openSUSE using the DVD but I couldn't get it to install KDE without also installing an entire office suit, media players and games. It just wouldn't let me deselect that shit.

>>47579966
>literally the Debian installer with faggy colors.

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>>47579923
Bleeding edge and unstable.

>>47580397
>Even when I installed Xubuntu on a laptop of mine it still managed to fuck everything up.

>Can't even handle an install wizard
>Blames Xubuntu

>>47580407
There are two types of Linux users:
1. Those who want to use it for actual work.
2. Those who are bored and want something that breaks every update so they can pretend that they're being productive when they have to fix it.

>>47580440
Because hitting a dead end after an install is impossible, right?

>>47580445
>1. Those who want to use it for actual work.
>Mint
>actual work

Yeah things like Steam, Java, DIVX and Flash are truly essential for people that want to get work done.

>>47580368
Oh because it's so hard to change your sources.
All the open source drivers are in the main repo, the installer will ask you if you want non free shit.
Fuck off.

>>47580407
because 'bloat' is just a fucking buzzword thrown around on this board. You autists probably consider openbox a bloated DE. By calling mint bloated, you are really just saying it is extremely useful OOTB, as well as JustWerk™ 'ing

>>47580430
I mean, I'm not disagreeing with you, but I've been using Arch for over a year and never had any issues besides the installation process. Do I just choose lucky stable times to pacman -Syu update?

>>47580397
>install mint
>install done in 3 minutes
>all you have to do is click next a couple times
>everything works

>I wouldn't wish going through any linux install on nobody
Sucks to suck tbh

>>47580465
>The installer will ask you if you want non-free shit from the internet connection it can't achieve from the lack of wifi firmware

Alright.

>>47580462
>Yeah things like Steam, Java, DIVX and Flash
What? I think Flash is the only thing that comes with mint.

>>47580461
If it's you working on it, yes

>>47579500
Please kill yourself ubuntu shill

I can't even get proprietary nvidia drivers to run on this piece of shit

>>47580523
You think that's bad
Try getting a dual GPU setup to switch/work.

>>47580523
>I can't even get proprietary nvidia drivers to run on this piece of shit
How does someone fuck up this badly?
How do you even post? Did you pay for a 4chan Pass? Because the captchas must just be impossible to you... Finding the submit button is probably a small feat in and of itself every time you do.
>>47580539
This is a more understandable difficulty, although bumblebee-nvidia works pretty well.

>>47580503
Ethernet is always recommended instead.

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>>47580385
>lignux with increased stability and compatibility + a sprawling, active community = autistic cancer
top b8 m8

>>47580561
My shitty high-end laptop from 2006 doesn't have an ethernet port and my own ethernet-to-usb adaptor doesn't work either.

What should I do?

>>47580551
No ubuntu shill, I will not fall for your bait again. I tried everything, from random command sequences on the Internet to just very simply, very cleanly selecting a proprietary driver on the system system settings on a fresh install. Everything that I tried ends up with me having having the kernel freeze and ignore direct commands past the log-in screen and an inability to boot in falsafegfx. Ubuntu shills please DIE.

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>>47580506
This is what Firefox looks like out of the box in Mint.

>>47580577
Have everything available in one install for instant compatibility (which ensures stability) = fags on /g/ complaining about bloat

>>47580620
Except I'm not sure if the disabled settings are like that. I think the person who took that disabled Flash themselves.

>>47580620
>>47580635
Also I don't think Greasemonkey is there by default, but that's what the list of plugins looks like. It's been a while since I tried Mint.

>>47580620
So basically, shit just works is what you're saying? And if your autism is still flaring up you could just remove firefox and re-install yourself so that it breaks later, or even use a different browser altogether. Please explain what is actually bad about having those plugins. Is it a security issue?

>>47580244
lel

>>47580581
No Ethernet port? That's outrageous. Need proof.

You download the iso and the proper driver. Partition your USB and place the driver in one partition and install the iso in the other, now you have the drivers and the install iso. Your lappy got you jumping through hoops now, Ethernet ports are on every laptop as far as I knew