>Visual Studio is $14,000 Holy...

>>47087132
Why not just use Codeblocks? It's Visual Studio without the bloat.

that's pretty cheap for the superb quality you get.

Probably because they know that only actual businesses will be paying for it

>>47087160
>14 grand cheap
>for a glorified notepad
tip top kok

Probably because they know that only actual businesses will be paying for it

express is free, pro is free with dreamspark which is easy to get

>Oracle is $50,000
>Company just creates a million different schemas for everything so they don't have to buy another license.

>>47087132
community is free now

>>47087132
>>Visual Studio is $14,000
screw the honest people, thats what commercial software companies do now

I guarantee they will blame open source software when sales start going down and not their pricing

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>>47087294
>charging money for a product is "screwing the honest people"

NEETs have such a strange view of the business world

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>>47087198
>tip top kok

>>47087308
this is what the people running the IT industry really think, they can make 1000% markup and the customer has to pay. this economy will eventually crash under this idiocy

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>>47087132
>14000$

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>Visual Studio is $14,000
holy fuck, it is?
I just pirated it to dick around trying to try and teach myself how to use the Windows Scripting Host.

Well I did pirate 3D studio MAX back in like 2004, and it was worth ~$10,000 even back then. Fortunately I dont think that anyone actually cares if a home user pirates this shit, only when people use it to make programs they actually sell for a profit

>>47087355
No, not really. $14k isn't a huge investment for a product that is essential for the core business. You obviously have no idea what companies spend on equipment and licensing if you think that's a big deal. I've submitted travel expenses in that range. Travel. Not even something that you use to create the product that you sell.

>>47087198
>glorified notepad
When you learn to leverage your IDE, it can be worth $14,000 to your business. There's also a couple free versions if your business is tiny.

>>47087294
>>47087355
I hope you guys know the customer isn't you in your mom's basement, its a professional developer who's company is going to pay for it.

>>47087355
Funny how the IT industry is so similar to the cocaine industry

>>47087398
>I hope you guys know the customer isn't you in your mom's basement

I want to move out but the SJWs are keeping me from getting a job

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No way! I got it for free cause of my school. I totally appreciate this so much more now.

>>47087431
I'm a white male and I have had no trouble getting a job

>>47087451
They do this so you get used to the software and make it hard to switch.

>>47087396
>this is how non-essential industrial businesses actually run

>>47087475
wow, are you saying they aren't giving it away from the goodness of their hearts?

>>47087475
This, very much. You'd be smart to get used to everything, including visual studio or at least some other massive IDE.

I'd also recommend getting at least a feel for vim, it will be on every linux server you ever use.

Why is everyone forgetting there is a FREE COMMUNITY EDITION now
it's the same, you just can't use it on a team of more than 5 members. BUT, if you are working on a open source project, you can use it with more than 5.

So if you have a business making proprietary software, you need to pay.

>>47087475
No shit. Also, they don't expect an individual to pay that.

>>47087452
How? I can barely get calls back, I submitted a resume to all the major studios and even shit companies like micro$oft. The best I can get is a call from some whore in HR who doesn't even know how to code.

>>47087357
It depends on the edition.

I thought it was $12,000 at work.

>>47087520
Maybe you should learn Microsoft tools. The real world doesn't rely on open-source shit.

>>47087520
Small companies are my usual goto. One I got through my university's listing, another through a relative's friend. Its all about who you know. If you did a comp sci degree, you should probably know some people who are now working in the industry. Call them and ask if they can put your resume in for you.

>>47087531
>The real world doesn't rely on open-source shit.
Where I worked last, everything was open source except the computers, which were macs.

Fuck that, I'm just going to use Monodevelop(also because GNU/Linux is my primary operating system).

Isn't Visual Studio free for a pretty good version now, don't even have to use a .edu email?

>>47087557
yes, see >>47087507

>>47087132
>buying microsoft products ever.
if your smart you would get it for free, it seems more like a tax for retards and corporates that are trying to avoid fraud.
>>47087507
>FREE COMMUNITY EDITION
microsoft are doing everything to retain customers, not sure if its working though.

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>>47087132
>tfw I use a 13 300$ piece of software to write "Hello World"

Life's good /g/

>>47087576
free visual studio
.NET open source
it's working

>>47087520
You, an autistic fedoratarian with a CC education at best, think you have a shot at a job with MS? Holy fuck you are entitled as shit.

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>>47087581
Life's better here

>Software is used by businesses
>Better charge $50,000 for it
I hate this meme.

>>47088123
you get unlimited keys too.

>kek at businesses that buy VS for using MFC

You get what you pay for :^)

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>>47088123
>In college
>Get free Visual Studio Ultimate
>Install it all
>Want to remove it
>Doesn't uninstall all the shit it installed on the side

>>47089347
Never run any version of VS in your main OS partition, make a VM or use dual boot, I learned for experience it's a pain in the ass, a simple .net framework update for Windows can break VS and make compiling impossible, all because of a file name.

>>47087132
> mfw university gives me free Visual studio license

>a GNU/Linux distributions with C/C++ compiler, Python, Java or whatever language you want + GNU Emacs is $0
Feels good man. Learning a real editor and a real OS is the best investment you can make.

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i don't even know how much solidworks costs, but i'm pretty certain i couldn't afford it

so i'm 'borrowing' it

How much does your company earn per year?

The conditions on the Community version are really lenient and it has all the features of the Professional version.

>>47087132
The GNU toolchain is infinitely better.

Daily reminder that xcode is free.

>>47089604
Even if you include the price of the Mac (if you don't have one and want Xcode) it'd still be cheaper

Fuck you could get a MacBook and build a Mac Pro cluster plus have Xcode for that price

>>47089561

Name some big enterprise grade software that has been made using gnu tools. And make sure they are relevant today.

>Not getting it for free through dreamspark

plebs

>>47089633
Linux
BSD
Your mother

>>47089658
your academic privilege is totally useless because of community edition

>>47089664
I said relevant today.

Nobody pays for Linux, you shit fuck

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>>47087132
Why would you need anything more than what the Community edition has?

>>47089676
>It's only relevant if you have to pay for it.

>>47089433
Fuck I am using CAD and Inventor on cracked installs for school. How much deep shit am I in if I use it to design something I make money from.

>>47089745
probably plenty if someone finds out and can prove it

my drawings are used to build stuff in china, and they don't give a toss

>>47087520
>the major studios

Yes, yes, let's apply at companies which receive dozens of resumes a day from other autismotrons, most of whom have neurological damage that will "only" lead them to work 16-hour days in hopes of getting promoted to designer rather than to start screaming at the poor secretary that she's a lying whore when she tells you the break room is out of Cheetos. That's sure to be successful!

Realize that you're not super-special, find somewhere nearby that needs web backends or industrial control software or custom internal apps, and go from there.

>>47089677
Last time I checked the free version of VS couldn't:
- run unit tests
- use plugins
- create office plugins

Pretty big dealbreakers if you ask me.

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>>47087132

>mfw it's free from uni
>mfw technically speaking I own something worth 14 grand

Feels ebin.

>>47088123

>get visual studio from dream spark
>write application in it
>sell it
>Microsoft calls me
>"you jail now"

>>47087160
I just knew there would be a post like this. Are you serious right now? That IDE is a mess.

If you really want to use an IDE you are litteraly better off using Code::Blocks

Or you could, you know, l2make and actually learn how your compiler works.
>But it takes too much time
It doesn't actually, and it saves you a ton of hassle.

>>47090119
Pretty sure you can't use it for commercial work

>>47089347
>Taking a course
>Have to develop in silverlight
>Make every efford to not install windows development tools by working on the schools PC
>Eventually realize that I have to do it
>Takes 2 hours to install
>Cannot install only C# and silverlight tools
>Suddenly 100 development suits in my computer
>Finish the work, get 18/20
>Format the PC

School, not even once.

>>47089347
The messed up thing about that is that someone once wrote to MS and told them to fix their shit and add a proper uninstall routine.

MS told him to go blow himself. Literally.

>>47089397
>devenv /setup
Usually works, or repair-install...

>>47087520
Apparently your resume isn't that crash shot, slick.

You might want to go learn some employable skills there buddy.

>>47090217
Well no shit, it is an academic license.

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>>47090217

BWG7X-J98B3-W34RT-33B3R-JVYW9

:^)

>>47090393
This
>I'm so cash
>lol maymay micro$oft i'm so edgy!
>wait nobody likes my worthless autism. this is fucked up someone fix it for me

>implying a 14k investment for business software is a lot

Try running a construction company see how that makes you feel:
>concrete pump 14k
>new van and trailer for transport 30k
>oh hey we need a grinding machine and vacume cleaner with HEPA filter 7k

And thats just small equipment.

>>47090494
but literally the whole appeal of the software industry is that costs are not enormous. Comparing construction costs to software costs is either fun for shits and giggles or willfully ignorant of the fundamentally different economies being compared.

>>47090109
was the last time being you using express?

>>47087132
I guess the $14000 edition comes with some huge support benefits too

>>47090521
>free version

>>47090524
hi there traveler
https://www.visualstudio.com/products/visual-studio-community-vs

I got used to the ultimate version with codelens and stuff and now I fear the day when I can no longer get academic licenses.

>>47090532
/g/ nerds always confuse express and the new free version and never admit they are different things

>>47090511
So just because one tool consists out of code (software) and the other consists out of physical material it should cost less? Wow, if anything you're the ignorant person here. You do realize that a lot of research and support costs go into the software right? It's not like some basementdwellers are doing it on welfare pay in their mothers basement.

And since when is it a golden rule that everything in IT is supposed to be low cost? Please elaborate.

>>47089676
And yet Red Hat is on S&P 500 with over a billion dollar yearly revenue.

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>>47087520
I graduate in July and I have nothing on my resume except formal training towards my ITIL, Prince2, CCNA and CCNA security. Yet I have had no trouble securing a safe junior netad position for a minimum £20k. You just don't try hard enough, son.

>>47090217
And who will stop him?

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>wanted to try windows phone
>needs to install SDK and emulator
>needs visual studio, 90 days trial first time , oke
>after a day o trying to download finally get it
>need to install emulator and images
>after trying to download all night cause slow 3rd world internet finally get it
>no clue how to launch it
>do some research
>finally going to launch it
>Get an error, It only would work in windows 8.1 pro 64 bit cause HyperV wont work in any other version
>mfw
>ragequit and rageuninstall

thank god i did not have to pay for it at least
fuck win phone fuck visual studio
who gives a shit about it anyway

>>47090564
Wow, that's almost half of what SharePoint earns a year.

>>47090602
The only bad things about Windows Phones, are the stores are complete shit, and you can't even set an image as the background, you're forced to choose from 12 pallet colours..

>>47087132

Don't see why the butthurt, business will pay for it, if they wanted to use something free (i.e. open source) they would.
The pricing is nothing compared to how much you could earn of it, also it's other people's money so if they want to spend it on that, their choice.

>search the web to find the most ultimate version with all addons
>MS IS RIPPING PEOPLE OFF

in reality everyone uses free community version

>>47090651
Actually, I think Microsoft is ripping off companies. Most of the money MS made until now came from companies being tricked into thinking they need expensive "professional" software. Microsoft needs to milk companies and governments periodically to make a profit.

In Romania, right now, there is a scandal about how Microsoft officials bribed government officials to determine the government to buy Windows upgrades for PCs which already had licenses. In total, Microsoft made 400 milion $ from these contracts, which the government didn't really need. They were probably not even used (the upgrades) since the PCs used in institutions were old.

Oracle tried to do the same thing and sell overpriced software and upgrades for hundreds of milions of dollars, just because it's easier to bribe government officials than to run an actual serious business.

The EU already caught onto these business practices by USA companies in Europe and that's why you see so many antitrust cases against big IT companies from the US.

Make no mistake, this is not a fluke, an odd case, it's a business model for Microsoft and other big IT companies.

>>47090782
"tricked"

>>47090782
>In Romania, right now, there is a scandal about how Microsoft officials bribed government officials

In Romania too? In Serbia MS bribed government to order all public institutions to use MS products instead of linux, free ones. It suits me tho, i am learning to become mcsa

>>47090808
Well, yeah, they weren't tricked. Obviously, the government officials just wanted to get a big fat bribe (one guy got 9 milion $ bribe from Microsoft to influence government officials to make the decision to buy from Microsoft).

>>47090809
Yeah, I heard this happened in a few countries in Eastern Europe too.

It looks like Microsoft's huge profits come from these schemes with companies and governments, because that's where the big bucks are.

>>47090586
How do you know that VS doesn't do steganographic fingerprinting on its generated executables and dlls?

>>47090809
>>47090831
>Corruption happens in corrupt countries
wowitsfuckingnothing.png

>>47090856
At least we're dealing with it. Right now the officials who got bribed are arrested and will go through a trial, then most likely to prison.

I bet in the USA this is just regular business practice. You know, lobby and shit.

>>47087132
>not using qtcreator

Why do you NEETs need an IDE for your fizzbuzz?

>>47091072
It's a boner raiser using $10k suite to write fizzbuzz, makes you feel like you're invincible

>>47087587
It's a troll...

>>47090586
his mother is behind of him while he's using the VS. If he breaks tos, mom will hit him with a bat until he dies

>>47090809
Daj linkove i ima li šta za Bosnu oko toga?

>>47087396
>$14k isn't a huge investment for a product that is essential for the core business.

$14k is a lot of money for a startup or single person though. So they wont pay it, and probably end up developing their own workflow around cheaper or even free tools. Once a workflow is established, it's damn near impossible to change it, so they're not going to switch to VS later if they become successful.

>>47091128
Which is exactly why BizSpark exists.

>>47091145
>Psst kid, want to try some Visual Studio?
>First hit's free!
>No no, ignore that guy bleeding on the floor over there, he's just...uh...my friend.

Why the fuck wouldn't you just use gcc/g++, GDB/valgrind, and a text editor?

Are people fucking retarded?

>>47091179
no

>>47091182
They seem to be, when they're paying $14,000 for garbage, when they could be using superior software for free as in price and freedom.

wait which version is this? i got 2013.

>>47087355
I love how on 4chan everyone apparently is an expert on economics.

>>47087132
>VS on Windows
>Vim with loads of plugins on DebiaI am the true baron race.

honestly a debugger is crucial, but 14k? i mean how can that be justified? not even biochem simulators costs that much.

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>all the mindless sheep using "free" propietary products from Dreamspark and similar, not knowing those "free" products are just bait to keep future programmers forever attached to the corporation
>making your career dependant on the interests of a multinational
>mfw when Stallman was right again
When Microsoft stops being relevant and your career is down the toilet you'll say "Why I didn't listen?"

>>47087159
>Why not just use Codeblocks? It's Visual Studio without the bloat.
>>47087198
>glorified notepad


1st yeaar CS studen detected
>>47087366
community is free and has everything the Pro version offers

>>47087520
>even shit companies like micro$oft
>>47089415
>Learning a real editor and a real OS
muh freedumbs fag detected

>>47087531
>The real world doesn't rely on open-source shit.
sadly/luckily it does

>>47091179
>GDB/valgrind
after learning to properly use the VS debugger those look like toys

Are these things not pirateable?

>>47091356
yes but the argument here is that any sane software company shouldn't spend this much if they're starting. and no they won't pirate.

>>47091179
I doubt people that use Visual Studio know how to operate a computer without icons.

I tried a gratis version of VS once because I needed to compile something for a normalfag friend.

It sucked, every fucking step of the process was utter shit.

>6GB download for an editor and compiler
>cannot opt out of all the extra garbage I didn't need
>setting up flags and linking is a bitch because the menus are a complete clusterfuck
>the option to include an installer for my program is disabled in the gratis version
>even after it's compiled, I need to make sure my users have some MSCVSwhatever.dll on their computer too, otherwise it doesn't work
>etc

I'm glad there's at least the option to use code::blocks and GCC instead, even though GCC for windows is outdated and code::blocks is a shit tier IDE.

>>47091380
>>47091356

OP is a faggot who took extreme case

Reality is, you can get visual studio for free even for your company if you don't make more than $250k a year.

And if you make more than that even that the most expensive $14k version isn't much

>>47091403
that just goes back to what >>47091254 posted with regards to dependency. they can just take away their free promotions and leave companies reliant on their applications. i'm not saying that i agree with his view, but that's what was implied.

>>47091416
i completely agree, but as time goes by, MS offers more and more niches for normal people to use their software and even make money out of it.

>>47091416
>they can just take away their free promotions
No they can't, they've got agreements in place, either you're grandfathered or you get 10 years support since latest stable release.

>>47091072
How would you go about creating the most expensive fizzbuzz in existence? What tools would you need?

>>47091403
>5%
>not much

>>47090411
Who can't?

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Sooo... You are saying im looking at 14$k?

>>47091128
>developing their own workflow around cheaper or even free tools.
Why don't they do this in the first place? It's not like visual studio is a stelar tool. Infact, it's pretty underwhelming for more experienced users and can really confuse curious new users who actually like to understand shit.

>>47091253
>honestly a debugger is crucial
If you cannot solve your problems with a simple debugging tool you're doing something very very wrong.

I never understood people's hardons with debuggers. After doing this shit for 10 years I've learned to use them, yes, but I still need little more than a rewind and simple memory reading. Even in C++ for god's sake. Are you guys that shit at programming?

How much of a clusterfuck does a specific language have to be that you have to have a super featured, sandwich making debugger to work with it?

>>47087581
>>47088123
protip: you can just download the ISO.
it does not even ask for a key, and works like a charm, even online.

(both 2010 and 2013.)
I had MS Dreamspark too, but fuck it, it was a bigger pain than having a pirated one.

>>47087357
>$799 renewal
>have to keep paying
They just fuck you over and over and over again

>>47089745
no one cares unless you have your own business, and this is the profile of your company.
then if someone tells authorities, or they just make a visit - you will get raped by fees and shit.

>>47087531
>Maybe you should learn Microsoft tools.
worst advice ever.

learn linux and java, you'll make more money and your job won't depend on a dying ecosystem

>>47087451
Hell yeah man, Microsoft Dreamspark is a God-tier thing that a lot of people seem to forget about too often at my university. I got Windows for both of my PC's and Visual Studio for free (obviously only with paid tuition and all that bullshit, that is).

i wouldn't hire any of you who couldn't work in VS' IDE.

You run BSD, good for you. But you want to work for me? You better know your goddamn botnets, child

>>47090119
>He thinks he owns anything
>>47093964
And that's while you'll only ever find plebshit "programmers" who can barely write fizzbuzz.

>bait thread
>people fall for it
come on /g/

>>47089676
Red Hat
Suse
Dumb, dumb, duuumb

>>47089676
>Nobody pays for Linux, you shit fuck
no, people take it for free and then use it to make money

>>47090930
this

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>>47094027
>He thinks he owns anything
Yes I do m8.
Do you have a VS Ultimate license?
Or you compile with gcc on command line?

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50% related question

i want to install visual studio on a portable external drive
how do i do this without cluttering up my main drive and registry and stuff
do i just need to VM it?
..if so, how can i set up a "plug and play" VM on my external drive
i am not good with computer, google doesn't help either

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>>47094306
lol your post is beard

>>47093831
>dying ecosystem
>dying

it's more alive than ever

>>47094306
Why do you want that? Any win machine can compile program you write, you don't need IDE for starting programs you wrote.

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>>47087132
GET OVER IT AND SPEND IT BEFORE YOU'RE LIVING IN SOMETHING THAT COSTS THAT MUCH.

Do you really want to live in a 2006 Ford Focus?

>>47087357
>USA

TRY CANADA YOU FOOKING CUNT, IT'S LIKE 36K

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>>47087132
Here's a good deal.

>>47094306
Unless you want to carry a VM anyway, try something like Thinapp to make it portable.

>>47087431
>blaming sjws for your lack of skills when white men are clearly overrepresented
That makes you even worse than the SJWs you know

>>47095694
>$14000
>2006 ford focus
buddy i got some news for you...

WHY NOT TORRENTING IT?

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>>47090620
False, you're able to place a wallpaper in between those titles as of Windows Phone 8.1

>>47091113
underrated.

>>47098022
what if he bought it new in 2006?

Piracy is free.

>tfw I use thousands of dollars worth of software for free

>visual studio
>solidworks
>matlab
>photoshop

>>47087355
> 1000% markup
how much do you think developing visual studio and all the shit that comes with ultimate edition costs?

>>47090841
That's a meme spouted by corporations to steer you away from piracy

>>47098335

>tfw I can get VS Ultimate but not a legit copy of MS Office
Feels weird.

>>47098445
Doesn't Microsoft give away Office for students too?
https://products.office.com/en-us/student/office-in-education

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It comes in handy.

>>47098489
only for burgers apparently.
It's not on my msdn list.

>>47091179
>everyone who writes software is a neckbeard living in mom's basement

This is the kind of humor I can only get from /g/

>>47097213
>implying major companies aren't wasting millions of dollars hiring no-skill vagina monsters so libshills won't retaliate and destroy them

You have no idea how the world works, cuck

insert the dank meme when the guy is eating expensive shit and talking about how the other guys are poor because they cant even afford the exclusive shit he's eating

>>47095719
your money is worthless now canada, sorry.

>>47087132
Had no idea. I got it through my dream spark acc.

>>47099182
except no individual buys it at this price, which is obviously meant for corporations and institutions

>>47087160
>for the superb quality you get.

kek

>>47099248
What's your visual studio experience?

>>47099130
The overwhelming majority of jobs still go to white men. If you cannot get a job, you are simply incompetent/not qualified.

>>47093783
good little corporate whore, where are your freedoms now

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>>47087132
>tfw academic license

>>47099233
So what? You're shilling for expensive shit non the less.

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>dreamspark
>can't spark my dreams by kickstarting a game made with it

>>47093783
Do you people not realise it's not the user who pays for these? It's the company.

>>47087520
You will not get hired at one of the big companies without something that makes you really stand out. Be it great grades at a prestigious school or some sort of extraordinary experience. They have so many people applying every day that they can be very picky in their choices.

>>47099705
I guess it depends on the company.

seems like all of the them are hiring IT people as fast as possible where I live because the old people are leaving in waves.

>>47087132

code:blocks is free as is vim and emacs

MS is going to be about as relevant in the consumer computing world in 20 years as IBM is now.

>>47099298
I can smell your vagina from here

>>47099298
>The overwhelming majority of jobs still go to white men. If you cannot get a job, you are simply incompetent/not qualified.
what that tells me probably isn't what it's telling you

>>47099797
>MS is going to be about as relevant in the consumer computing world in 20 years as IBM is now.
>consumer computing world
>consumer

>>47087132
>not getting it free

>>47089745

Did you know that you can report pirating for rewards?

honestly, code completion, debugger, and of course compiler is all you need in an ide.

why is visual studio so special? to me it looks like it's getting alot of praise for no reason.

>>47100557
Refactoring.

>>47100571
the free one i use has that as well

>>47087132
It's for businesses. If you wanna develop with C# for free, get the community edition.

>>47087520
>sent resumes to major studios and "shit" companies like microsoft
>w-why aren't they calling me
You are one entitled snowflake, aren't you anon?

>>47087398
Yes, because spending excessive amounts of money on unnecessary software will surely make any and all businesses thrive.

>>47087581
You get what an MSDN subscription is right?

>free edition from DreamSpark they said
You can't make any money with it and you are paying for it with your tuition.
>mfw using Netbeans, Eclipse for free and making money
Nonfree software not even once

>>47087132
>Visual Studio
it's free if you have a .edu email

>>47101191
i did that lasted about 4 months now it is asking me to update credentials and fails to when i log in

>>47087576
if the community edition disallows publishing code the same way that the old education edition did its worthless

can anyone confirm?