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Apple boss: We have a human right to privacy

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Tim Cook confirmed for Best CEO.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/11441265/Terrorists-should-be-eliminated-says-Apples-Tim-Cook.html

>“Apple has a very straightforward business model," he said. “We make money if you buy one of these [pointing at an iPhone]. That’s our product. You [the consumer] are not our product. We design our products such that we keep a very minimal level of information on our customers.”

>“We don’t make money selling your information to somebody else. We don’t think you want that. We don’t want to do that. It’s not in our values system to do that. Could we make a lot of money doing that? Of course. But life isn’t about money, life is about doing the right thing. This has been a core value of our company for a long time.”

>“Some companies are not transparent that the connection of these data points produces five other things that you didn’t know that you gave up. It becomes a gigantic trove of data.”

>“We are not a treasure trove of data. It is a cop-out to say: choose between privacy or security. There is no reason why customers should have to select one. There is no reason not to have both.”

>“If they are really honest, they know that withholding encryption will penalise good people, not put a barrier up for bad people. There is no trade-off. It fundamentally doesn’t work. There has to be other solutions.”

Why aren't you using Apple products, /g/? Do you enjoy being constantly watched and data-monetized by Google, your mobile carrier, and the NSA?
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>>46795369
Same like microshill and fakebook said
>"we hate NSA spying us, will give letter to Obama'
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>life isn’t about money, life is about doing the right thing. This has been a core value of our company for a long time
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So I'm trying to think of which response to this will get more replies, I have two;

>implying this isn't all just a setup from the NSA to get you into a more closed system

or

>implying I'm not already using Apple products

Which one do you guys think would work best?
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>>46795369
>implying this isn't just PR cause they know the conpany's image has been damaged outside the us after snowden
Jewish apple share holders don't give a fuck about your privacy faggot
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>>46795369
>Why aren't you using Apple products, /g/?

because they are unamerican and support terrorism
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>>46795388
You just need to jump in the middle.
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>>46795477
The nets probably increased suicide rates because Asians love a challenge.
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>>46795369
Yea, he is definitely not saying that to hurt Google. No, siree
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I'd love to buy Apple-stuff, but iOS and OSX are just so so bad.
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>>46795369
>But life isn’t about money, life is about doing the right thing. This has been a core value of our company for a long time.
Just as long as they've been relying on the horrid working conditions of developing countries where regions are so economically depressed that if you're lucky enough to have a job, at any given instant with the slightest slip up, you're immediately disposable and any of the ten people waiting for your job will readily jump in.

Just think what kind of health and safety regulations are gonna be goin' on in places like this. Hint, barely any, you're disposable and bad publicity is hardly a problem. Apple definitely makes their money off "doing the right thing".

Unfortunately, merely by living in the first world, no matter how hard we ourselves might have it financial, we're ultimately still indirectly scum on some level. Owning a computer at all is probably direct proof of that, say nothing of smartphones. Everything is connected.
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>>46795718
Manufacturing jobs will come back to the US once every part of the assembly line can be performed entirely by robots.
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>>46795586
OSX isn't bad, though.
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>>46795753
Free market capitalism. 10/10 for everyone.

Best we can do.
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>>46795391
You're anonymous. You should have just posted both. You could have even argued with yourself.
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>>46795369
So why doesn't he release his software as free software?
That's the only way you can have privacy, proprietary software means Apple is the one in control of my device and how can I have privacy when someone else can monitor, change and prevent me from modifying my property?
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>>46795804
https://opensource.apple.com/release/os-x-1010/
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>>46795820
Fool me once mister Jobs, shame on me. Fool me twice mister Cook, shame on you.
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>>46795820
All software you idiot.
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>>46795753
by then it will be too late because the Chinese will have surpassed the us in economy and research.

Soon all these extra chinese graduates will stop coming to work at mit/harvard research centres and will start producing technology in china itself.

At that point china will become the leading technological super power and america wont ever hope to catch up
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>>46795820
Where's Cocoa?
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>>46795834
>all software

i assume you are only running a fsf approved distro like trisquel then?

https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
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>>46795804
Apple making its software available on other vendors' hardware is tantamount to signing its own death warrant.

If the last year of Heartbleed and Shellshock exploits have demonstrated anything, it's that free software tends to be much too underfunded to be properly secured. Electronic security and privacy require money.
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>>46795838
The Chinese don't believe in creating new things when they can simply copy it. It's the cornerstone of everything they do.
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>>46795838
>the Chinese will have surpassed us
no, no they fucking won't, every time in history someone says the US is in a decline and X country is going to overtake us they were 100% wrong

have you read chinese research? its garbage, of the top 20 universities in the world, 17 are american, china doesnt hit the list until the hundreds

those PhDs are more bullshit than the ones we hand out here

not saying China isn't to be feared or respected, but no nation is anywhere close to surpassing the US
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>>46795868
>Apple making its software available on other vendors' hardware is tantamount to signing its own death warrant.
Good.
>If the last year of Heartbleed and Shellshock exploits have demonstrated anything, it's that free software tends to be much too underfunded to be properly secured.
Reality says otherwise, proprietary software is regular exploited every day.
>Electronic security and privacy require money.
Money and privacy have diametrically opposite motivations - with money comes obligations towards shareholders/investors, whatever makes the most money will win, and selling users data is an attractive business.
And security is completely useless without transparency - how can you ever trust a system you can't personally audit?
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>>46795369
>company boss says it's not about money
>company
>not about money
This is even more ridiculous than Google's "don't be evil"
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>>46795887
At least china is smart enough to be investigating LFTR. The one strength they have is a lack of being mired in a bunch of garbage surrounding the interests of people who are already on top and want to stay there.

Their infrastructure isn't still barely passed the level it was at in the 50's like ours. Utter joke. As they continue to develop, they will most certainly surpass the US on multiple fronts. What those fronts mean relative to the whole all depends.
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>>46795878
That's how Japan and Korea got started too. Eventually they'll move on to innovate
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>>46795929
lol Thorium bros back at it

If LFTRs were pursued in the 50s 60s, they would have been a smart choice, but today the engineering required to spin them up is greater than the cost of just getting solar a little bit better

solar is boring which is why /g/ fags get wet for Thorium, but solar is going to be the cheapest and easiest to implement energy source
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>>46795917
>proprietary software is regular exploited every day

I'm assuming that by "proprietary software" you really just mean "Windows."

>And security is completely useless without transparency - how can you ever trust a system you can't personally audit?

OpenSSL and bash are fully transparent and no one cared to audit them. Yet people still trusted them because "MUH OPEN SORES."
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>>46795887
>have you read chinese research? its garbage, of the top 20 universities in the world, 17 are american, china doesnt hit the list until the hundreds
This is exactly the kind of inward thinking that is stunting American development.

You guys assume your default position should always be the top dog. I'm sure the English were saying the exact same thing back in the 1600s
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>>46795388
wasn't it shown that the suicides rates for foxconn were lower than the national average? they only have lots of suicides because they have lots of employees
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>>46795753
>jobs
>once robots can do the jobs
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>>46796020
lol yeah cause america is "stagnating"

Tesla, SpaceX, Google, NASA, Solarcity

who's gonna mine asteroids first? 'merica
who's gonna have self driving cars firs? 'merica
who's gonna colonize mars first? 'merica

seriously just go look at economic numbers, the money is here, the tech is here. this isnt a social discussion america does a lot of shit wrong (healthcare, incarceration rates) but we are the top dogs where it matters, second is Germany but they just dont have enough land
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>>46795983
LFTR is the only real viable option for starting a self sufficient moon colony.

I care not for economic viability, it is myopic. If we are to survive we need to grow up and do what makes sense.
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>>46796064
thatsthejoke.jpg
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>>46795942
Where did Korea innovate? I'll let Japan slide because NEC and Hitachi managed to form something original.
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>>46795785
it is.
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>>46796083
It really isn't.
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>>46795992
>I'm assuming that by "proprietary software" you really just mean "Windows."
No I mean OSX and iOS
>OpenSSL and bash are fully transparent and no one cared to audit them.
People did audit them, both exploits were discovered google engineers if I remember correctly.
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>>46796077
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM2NcPwsngU
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>>46796077
http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-innovative-countries/

And Japan did a lot more than Hitachi and NEC
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>believing a single word of this bullshit
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>>46796128
>Windows has 100 more high-vulnerability exploits than OS X

Thanks for proving my point.
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>>46796048
News to me. Where was it shown, by who?
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>>46796145
Really? Care to show me anything that wasn't based off or used western tech?
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>>46796070
LFTR is happening, China intends to have the first plants online by 2025 and to deprecate all coal by 2050.

Solar is a great solution other than the need for storage.
>Implying Solar1/2/Tres will ever be anything but pipe dreams of engineers.
Also China has an extra problem in that they can't get into solar yet - it's rather hard to rooftop solar when your cities are black with smog and they don't really have the room for large setups elsewhere, it's all mountains or farmland.
>China can't afford to use arable land for solar either, they're already buying up millions of sq. KMs of land in Australia to use as farmland to feed their population.

Arguments about LFTR are now moot, China is already signed up and once they have the infrastructure for it - they can sell plants and fuel to other nations, making it a profit center not just an environmental prerogative.
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Dim "Osama" Cock is a terroresd. He hates freedoms. He sites with de traidor Edwort Shnowdan becaus he hates 'merica.
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>>46796128
where do people get these charts from?

not trolling, would be interested in finding out how to fix them and possibly buffing my portfolio.
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>>46796269
So they have to reinvent the wheel to satisfy your autistic definition of innovation?

Fuck off
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>>46796128
That's bullshit. Try to find the source data.
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>>46796183
>doesn't know how to read charts
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>>46796067
>Tesla, SpaceX, Google, NASA, Solarcity
>Company, Company, Company, Defunkt government agency, Company

Equating money with innovation is one of the leading signs of stagnation.

>HURR DURR I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO SO ILL JUST THROW MONEY AT IT
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>>46796128
I'd just like to point out the bullshit setup of the chart
>OS X (how many versions of OS X? Can't tell)
>iOS (same as above)
>7 different versions of Windows, broken up to make it look less vulnerable
Just sayin'
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>>46796310
I clearly see the chart was manipulated to make Windows look better than it is by separating each version into its own row.
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What the hell is a "human right"?
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>>46796297
Report made by GFI, data from NVD.
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>>46796330
>>46796337
the interesting thing is all of those versions of windows are still supported by microsoft. 10.6 isn't even supported by apple anymore, so there's what, two or three versions of OS X still supported?
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Just a reminder
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG225dz89TY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLwVycO7V-k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkGH0_DRBRE

Why China will never rule the world
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>>46796327
Why do you insist on arguing about topics you don't know anything about? You're clearly don't know anything about the topic of innovation, considering how terribly feeble your gainsaying is.

How did you come to conclude that pointing to innovation being carried out in the private sector is "equating money with innovation"? Which particular problems has Tesla, SpaceX, Google or Solarcity failed to address and subsequently thrown money at? Private companies who "throw money" at projects because they "don't know what to do" go bankrupt. By what metric is NASA defunct?
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>>46795369
I own a Mac and I like it, OSX is better than Windows
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>>46796379
Server 2008 and 2012 are not consumer operating systems
Win8.1 is a Service Pack to Win8
RT is practically irrelevant

So all you're really left with is Vista, 7, and 8. Three versions.
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>>46796327
i listed companies i thought were innovative

>one of the leading signs of stagnation
according to who? are you a liberal arts major? bring me data fuck stick

The U.S. has the best military, the best schools, the best GDP, and does the most new tech

there are numbers behind each one of those claims, yes China is big, china is an economic and military superpower but they are *not* going to overtake the US
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>>46796457
why are we limiting to consumer operating systems only? If this chart is factual, it shows substantially fewer vulnerabilities than OS X. Each bug is the same on each system as one patch will distribute to each of those systems; this conclusion is based off of experience administering Windows systems.
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Tim Cock just doesn't want the government looking at his fagporn for when they come to their senses and make fagporn illegal.
What a fucking faggot.
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>>46796502
> they are *not* going to overtake the US
How can you predict such things? The Chinese are willing to develop technologies that the US won't touch, genomics is one major example. And if they end up in a position to leverage the results in a way the US can't or won't, then naturally the US may fall behind.
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>>46796327
Tesla, SpaceX and SolarCity are all one guy - Elon Musk.
Also, he's from South Africa and intends to move all his interests to Mars.

Apart from the things mentioned above he is also:
- Building the largest factory in the world, it's bigger than the goddamn Boeing factory - to make batteries and has invested heavily in battery technology.
- Investing 10Billion dollars in Internet for Mars and is rolling out a pilot version paid for by Google to provide satellite internet anywhere on Earth.
- Hyperloop (a mass transit system for people and things that is sealed and contains its own atmosphere...)
- Robotic construction technology which is currently used for building Tesla cars and SpaceX rockets/pods and will be used heavily in the battery factory and SolarCity installations)

The man will colonize Mars in our lifetime.
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>67 posts in
>No one posted this already
Im dissapointed in you guys.
>Apple in charge of security
https://pentest.com/ios_backdoors_attack_points_surveillance_mechanisms.pdf
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>>46796559
We stopped talking about Tim Cook is why, this thread is now about pipe dreams of engineers, LFTR, American tech dominance and MARS
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>>46795369
>It is a cop-out to say: choose between privacy or security
Literally no one ever said this. Security implies privacy. You can't call your system secure without it. I really don't understand why he would even mention such an idea. Smells like revisionism and shifitng goalposts.

And remember that Apple's track record when it comes to either security or privacy is disastrous, with all the phoning home with your GPS coordinates and goto fail goto fail shit.
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>>46796572
Go to bed elon musk
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>>46796574
your browser can be 100% secure yet offer you no privacy
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>>46796542
my prediction is based on two things: the data about America's power (money, military, education, etc)

and: the recurring theme in U.S. history of "America is in decline, <country> will overtake us."

1800s -> England? (I think, my history isn't great)
1900s -> Germany
1950s -> Russia
1980s -> Japan
2000s -> China
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>>46796589
define secure and private. your post reeks of contradiction.
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>>46796589
The browser offers me privacy. My ethernet cables don't.
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>>46796608
The data you mention just tell you what the current state of affairs is. In order to predict things you need to look at where trends are moving. The USA may score well on the metrics you mention, but it's also facing mounting problems with a badly educated negro populace blowing out cities, a stagnating middle class, a massive centralization of wealth, the erosion of legal rights, etc.

Now the pattern you're talking about isn't informative. It's like saying that if you put someone on a ship who constantly shouts "the ship is about to sink" that it never will. The presence or absence of such a person on-board has nothing to do with the eventual destiny of the vessel.
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I can install a privacy friendly free software ROM on my Android phone.

iOS is so locked down that installing unofficial software requires exploiting security holes with skeezy desktop programs.

So no, I don't trust Google, but I also don't need to.
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>>46796668
>but it's also facing mounting problems with a badly educated negro populace blowing out cities, a stagnating middle class, a massive centralization of wealth, the erosion of legal rights, etc.

sir, that's happening everywhere on earth. just replace negro with the appropriate minority for that locale, such as pakis in europe.

the thing i'm worried about is how sleazy the U.S. government has become, but then again any national government is going to be full of shit and cronyism.
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>>46796668
>>46796713
government corruption has ALWAYS been a thing, the information age just makes it easier to spot, so we think its all going to shit now because we are more aware -- even though the trends suggest most everything is getting better
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>>46796612
browser has zero known 0-day attacks and no open security vulnerabilities but it sends google details about every site you visit along with usage metrics
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>>46796713
>any national government is going to be full of shit and cronyism.
>if the best country on the planet has a shitty government, then so do all other countries
Sure is american exceptionalism in here.
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>>46796743
Then it's not secure.
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>>46796743
but the attacks you mention are used 90% of the time to gather information from the user. in my eyes security and privacy are the same thing. either you give all your information to google willingly or you get information stolen with 0-day attacks.

>>46796759
that's not really what i said. could you please name a developed country with non-shit government? europe is all about political correctness and police state, middle east is just about oil and cutting hands off, u.s. is leading europe in police state, russia is russia, china has human rights violations.
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>>46796713
I'm pretty confident that it's not happening in China.

>>46796740
The US Govt. is larger than it was in the past, consumes a larger percentage of GDP to fund its operation, has better tools available to violate the rights of its citizens, is more aggressive in repealing the rights it chooses to violate altogether, and is more labyrinthine and inscrutable than at any point in the past.

What then leads you to believe corruption is actually less of a problem now?
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>>46796814
Switzerland.
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>>46796814
>europe is all about political correctness and police state
If you think that, I really don't give enough of a fuck to try to convince you otherwise.
>muh SJW
>muh political correctness
>muh islamisation
Just fuck off back to /pol/.
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>>46796814
without security you have no privacy, but security does not guarantee privacy

>in my eyes security and privacy are the same thing. either you give all your information to google willingly or you get information stolen
i think you're defining security far too narrowly if you only think it means keeping information safe
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>>46796840
the swiss don't allow immigrants and there are no PoC almost anywhere. it also has lax laws that allow the super rich to shove money into swiss banks to avoid taxes in other countries.

>>46796869
are you implying bending your every will to please minorities and make everyone "happy" is a good thing? pro-tip just because someone has a different viewpoint than you does not mean you can dismiss them and assume they came from /pol/. please go back to primary school and learn how to argue.
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>>46796871
on a personal computer, what else would security be used for? if not to keep information from being stolen, what else?
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>>46796820
all legitimate causes for concern, but not alarm

we just got the title 2 reclassification, is it so hard to believe that the gvmt might actually end up making the right decisions?

compare modern day NSA moral violations to what the NSA could have done during the height of the red scare if they had access to the same tech -- it would have been worse back then (its still awful now)
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>>46796925
> is it so hard to believe that the gvmt might actually end up making the right decisions?

It might. Is there any reason to believe it will? I don't see that you can take this for granted in the least.
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>Privacy
I bet he's siding with ISIS or is a pedophile. Probably both.
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>>46796713
I giggle a little bit when people say negro instead of nigger.
>I'm too racist to say 'black' without feeling like a liberal but 'nigger' is just vulgar
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>>46796916
to use your device as an attack vector
data destruction
data manipulation
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>>46795887
>every time in history someone says the US is in a decline and X country is going to overtake us they were 100% wrong
And when exactly did that happen before? China and India are the only countries that have the resources to do so. How is a country like Germany which is one fourth the size of Texas, has literally no access to natural resources and a fraction of the population supposed to have more economical impact?

What you dont seem to understand is, is that these asian countries are the first that will be able to rival the USA due to sheer size. European countries could never do this because they are significantly smaller and have access to less natural resources which are the prime reason for americas economical success.
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>>46796895
>the swiss don't allow immigrants and there are no PoC almost anywhere.
I see you've never been to Switzerland.

Maybe that's a good thing, then you can keep your deluded views. By the way, Europe is not what you seem to think it is. Are there countries like you've described? Sure.
But it's severely different from what you seem to believe.
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>>46796916
The context of the quote is NSA-style "national security", not the usual personal security kind
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>>46796959
That's right. Good people have nothing to hide. By spouting this nonsense he's just enabling pedophiles to molest our children.
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>>46795838
I think your point is good, but Chinese PhDs are not the same quality as American PhDs yet.
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>>46796895
>swiss don't allow immigrants
Yeah, thats why the country has 4 official languages and Zurich is filled with Serbs. Because they dont allow immigrants. Fucking americans, unbelievable.
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>>46796559
That is some serious shit.
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>>46796996
What is Switzerland like? In the US it's a wet dream for white nationalists that have never left the country
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>>46797043
That's not the same thing. Saying 'negro' just sounds weird.
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>>46796990
>Ignoring Russia
forget about the cold war and space race?
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>>46797065
A country where an american would have a hard time surviving. Switzerland has a lot of people with migrational background but that doesnt mean that they really like people from other countries. Switzerland is basically Austria 2.0

Dislike immigrants for the most part while being fine with German immigrants. Guess that could be said for any country though. Being German gives you a pretty ridiculous boost when applying for jobs anywhere in the world for some reason.

Generally speaking, Switzerland is pretty keen of its traditions and history. Thats why Germanic cities are widely considered the ones with the highest standard of living. This Switzerland, Austria and Germany make up for 50% of the cities in every single top 10.
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>>46796990
>European countries could never do this because they are significantly smaller and have access to less natural resources which are the prime reason for americas economical success.
One European country is weaker than the US, but the EU is a good competitor to the US. Higher population, higher GDP, similar land size.
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>>46797136
Russia? You mean a country with half the US' population and more, borderline worthless gas than anything else? Russia bankrupted itself trying to keep up. This should tell you everything you need to know. Let alone that a gigantic chunk of Russia/USSR isnt even habitable.

If China, India and Indonesia keep evolving then they will be a proper threat to the US' position because what they lack in natural resources, they make up in workforce. Unless of course the EU is officially renamed into the 4th German Reich. Which quite frankly it already is.
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>>46795369
>Why aren't you using Apple products, /g/?
https://stallman.org/apple.html
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>>46797327
already underrated post
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>>46795388

Who the hell cares about those sub-contractors ? It's their problem if they can't keep the employees motivated.
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>>46797363
Everyone who isn't a stone-cold autist would care. I realise in that sense that I'm shouting into the abyss.
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>>46797282
>India
>Threat

kek, the indians are only a threat to themselves. They have virtually 0 infrastructure and one of the most corrupt government on earth.

>China
>Threat

Shit is gonna hit the fan real quick in China once their 15 % annual growth hits a wall. Look at how western industries will get the hell out of the country as fast as they can when the wages of the average chinese laborer will get as high as the costs of operating the newly built fully robotized factory in North America. Oh, and when we'll decide to enforce patent laws, we'll realize china is 10 years back in almost every tech sector.
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>>46797282
It's ironic that the EU was founded to prevent such an autocratic system ever emerging again from Germany.
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>>46796895
I wrote a proper response to you, but I accidentally reloaded the page and lost it. Sorry about that.

In short: The reason I won't bother arguing with you is because we have fundamentally different values on which we base our viewpoints. We'd end up contradicting each other in every post. That's no good argument. I've had tons of them with people like you over the last couple of years and, really, it's just pointless and boring. I have code to write. I think you'd feel the same.

Good luck with the nazism, though. I'd probably punch you in the face in real life and buy you a beer or something.
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>>46797436
It really is. The Germans are basically the incarnation of a phoenix. Try to go almost 1vEntireWorld twice, lose, are being ripped apart, reunite and two decades later they are ruling over europe again without even having to invade anyone. And the more you read, the more you realize that most people are totally fine with it. Especially the ones who are Germanic themselves. Put them down and is a few decades they are in the same position again.

To be honest, this probably has less to do with Germany being so great and rather with countries like Great Britain and France being to fucking shit. They had a 50 years headstart to establish order and a following and couldnt get shit done.
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>>46797467
>I wrote a proper response to you, but I accidentally reloaded the page and lost it. Sorry about that.
Let me guess. The recaptcha "expired", stole focus from the text field, and then you accidentally hit backspace.

Gettin' real fuckin' sick of that, myself. Along with the image captchas moving you back to the top of the page, or the last post you jumped to.
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>>46795369
Why don't they use client side encryption on icloud?

Checkmate applefags.
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>>46797436
>>46797493
>implying the EU wasnt created to give Germany a way to take over Europe without having to kill anyone
They knew that they couldnt stop these Barbarians so they offered a peaceful option. This way no one will die by Nazi hands.
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>>46797493
Whoa whoa, I'm from the UK. Don't blame Great Britain. Blame Scotland. Scotland are the fucking fruitcakes that keep voting in the socialist as fuck Labour party. I would be all up for Thatcher 2.

If you look at vote breakdowns it's all Scotland and scum towns in the north like Manchester that vote for socialism. Probably because they're poor cunts with bad education and genetics derived from people poisoned with coal mine gases.
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>>46797516
It was even more stupid than that. The captcha began with an "r", which I have bound to reloading the page when not in a textbox, and I missclicked when selecting the input field.
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>>46797423
>newly built fully robotized factory in North America
>implying robots give any profit
You only get money with human work. Never with machines.
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>>46797615
You get money with innovation, and specialized work. You make money designing the iPad, not building it.
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>>46797467
>we have fundamentally different values on which we base our viewpoints

Your values being what?
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>>46795369
>privacy
>appshill
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>>46797814
Socialism.
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>>46796267
Various sites. First result in Google.
www.zdnet.com/article/media-gets-its-facts-wrong-working-at-foxconn-significantly-cuts-suicide-risk/
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>>46797870
>Socialism.
*tips*
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>IIt's not in our value system to do that
>iPhone 6 bends in your pocket
>It's the user's fault, not ours
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>>46797870
Socialism is a means, not an end. When you say "I have different values" you're saying that you have different ends, you have a different vision of what a good society is. Socialism can be employed to serve whatever end you want.
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>>46797916
Most fedoras are liberals, aren't they?
>>46797971
Ok, sure. Social democracy then.
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>>46795369
They don't make money selling your data,

They give it away for free.
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>TFW Apple respects my privacy to the point that they have to inform the consumer
>Google doesn't inform shit

Apple is best company.
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