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http://torrentfreak.com/netflix-cracks-down-on-vpn-and-proxy-pirates-150103/

>Netflix is starting to block subscribers who access its service using VPN services and other tools that bypass geolocation restrictions. The changes, which may also affect legitimate users, have been requested by the movie studios who want full control over what people can see in their respective countries.

Top fucking kek. Studios are truly retarded, aren't they? I hope hundreds, if not thousands of people will just go back to piracy after this.
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Wait, proxy pirates?
Are they talking about people who use a proxy to access a service they pay for?
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>>45927406
always remember, you truly own something if you pirated it
or if it is free software
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>>45927425
There are different licenses for different areas of the world. By using a VPN you can bypass this.
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>>45927425
Yes, because
>muh control
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> wants to pay for a service
> no, fuck you because muh random restrictiuns

Why is the movie industry so retarded?
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>>45927660
Be a good goy and stop thinking about it.
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to be honest, the people who are willing chumps and pay for these services when it's easier to just pirate deserve this exact treatment, if not far worse
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>>45927441
>>45927448
I was just a little confused that they'd call paying customers pirates.
But it is torrentfreak who is calling the pirates, not netflix.
Thanks torrentfreak for your fair and unbiased reporting
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So, since this is now a thread, what will we use?

Thinking of switching to a *good* VPN, currently using a DNS service
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>>45927406
they say piracy is killing the movie industry. why the fuck do they think people pirate in the first place when you're placing a monopoly on what they can and can't watch?
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>>45927708
>So, since this is now a thread, what will we use?
are you even fucking asking this? boy, you sure have some fucking cheek.
just pirate you goddamn fucking retard.
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>the one time I don't pirate something I get fucked right in the ass
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> pirate it

Since americlaps are being such faggots, I see no reason why I should care about their terrible "entertainment industry" and "culture".
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>>45927769
your comment implies you were not pirating before, in which case you're still a retard, just a little less now
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>>45927708
Just use popcorn time. As easy to use as netflix, and has a way larger selection of content.
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>>45927406
>Let's take something easy and make it harder!
This is exactly why most people pirate in the first place
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implying this will change anything at all.

VPN's are difficult to detect and sometimes, some vpn providers specialize in obscuring ranges and domains to such an extent that its nearly impossibly to figure out if its a vpn or not.
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>>45927680
To be honest, people who get caught purating movies and have to pay $50,000+ fines and risk getting raped in jail as opposed to just paying $9 a month are chumps.
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>>45927793
>botnet time shilling
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>2015
>region restrictions
>on the internet
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>>45927406
there even is a large amount of pity buyers who felt like doing the good thing and using services that are kinda a bit worse.

Steam for instance, lots of commerce going on there and I bet that a large part of them could pirate, but refuse doing so and just buy things.

the studio's basically made a lot of people feel guilty, people are willing to buy stuff, but they have not been given the ability to.

How can the studio's be so blind?
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>>45927705
It's in quotation marks. See pic related in case you can't / don't want to open the article.
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>>45927867
Pretty sure no one in hollywood gets what that internet thing is about.
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>>45927406

Interesting i would like to see if the new restrictions find a bypass
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>>45927851
People getting caught and paying massive fines are more or less a myth created by the media industry. They have sued less than a dozen people.
Settlement wrangling, sure. That shit happens all the time, but actually winning a court case for a bajillion dollars? That's extremely rare.
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>>45927867
>being a retard
>not understanding that each nation has its own cpr laws

The barriers will stay up until we have one world government, but you Amerifats don't like that idea.
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>calling paying customers "pirates"
well, might as well go full pirate and save money.
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>>45927765
Using a proxy to access Netflix IS pirating.
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>>45927406

watch as netflix loses all non-us customers
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>>45927854
kek
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>>45927851

Netflix pls
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>>45927406
I can see Netflix losing subscribers to this which is what MPAA probably wants
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>>45927949
>implying an average person is desperate enough to use care about using VPN for this
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>>45927998
Just watch the outcry when people can't access House of Card S3 because Netflix doesn't hold the local rights.
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>>45927998

you would be surprised

i can vouch for the britbong selection being absolutely dogshit tier, most people i know use some sort of VPN
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I mean they are actually losing money, so how long until the studios just dissolve?
No amount of government involvement is going to fix their broken business model.
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>>45927922
>>calling paying customers "pirates"
Paying for something doesn't make it legal. Netflix does not have the rights to distribute the content internationally. If you use a proxy to access Netflix you are not a paying customer, you are a pirate. A pirate that pays for pirating stuff, top kek.
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I've been considering canceling for a while now. Their streaming selection has some quality stuff, but once you've seen most of that it feels pretty limited. And their chinese cartoons selection is skimpy and has terrible subs. I find myself torrenting more and more. I could easily find a better use for that 8 bucks a month.

Also Bojack Horseman was below mediocre comedy central quality despite some good voice acting and House of Cards sucked by season 2 episode 2. I won't miss it.
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>>45927406
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>>45927902

They probably know and just hope consumers are dumb enough to screw them how much ever they can

Heck telecom companies in the US have the audacity to plan restrictions for loading a fucking website based on its popularity and put fees on trying to load them at faster speeds. Its like they think consumers will just eat it up
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>>45927406
>still being a buyfag
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>>45928036
but that's wrong.
netflix only streams to peers in the countries they're allowed to stream to.
what these peers (=proxies) are doing with the data streams is out of netflix' control.
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Why would you use a proxy or vpn for netflix?
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>>45927406

Well people who are affected by the proxy ban will just pirate it then. How dumb
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>>45927998
we got netflix in france and the selection is really bad so I now use a VPN to acces the US netflix and I'm far from being the only one doing that here
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>>45928074
>netflix only streams to peers in the countries they're allowed to stream to.
Abusing this by forwarding the stream to other countries is pirating.
>what these peers (=proxies) are doing with the data streams is out of netflix' control.
And that's exactly why Netflix is now blocking proxies.
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>>45927937
God forbid me trying to watch something thats not in my third world country unless I pirate
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>>45928130
VPN is not pirating. Don't be silly.
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>>45928180
Of course it is. If you're accessing content without a license you're pirating it. It doesn't matter if it's a stream or that you're paying for Netflix.
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Is this what they call american freedom?
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>>45928154
>unless I pirate
Again, you ARE pirating it. Using Netflix with a proxy is paying to pirate.
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What I don't get is why Netflix and the studios are doing this

Netflix only give a shit if the stdios force them, but why do the studios care? The only reason to not have your shit on Netflix if you have exclusivity deals going on, and even then it's not you who care if people are "pirating" the content, it's the overseas contractors
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>>45928314
>but why do the studios care?
The studios would love to see Netflix gone.
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I don't use that shit and I never will.
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Update: Netflix tells us that there's been "no change" in the way it handles VPNs, so you shouldn't have to worry about the company getting tough any time soon. With that said, these blocking errors started showing up in the past few weeks, so it's not clear what would have prompted them.
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>want to buy an album
>128K MP3 on Amazon
>need to install proprietary Windows/Mac software to buy it on iTunes, no idea what format
>not in local stores
>nowhere else online
>two-click FLAC torrent download
I wonder why people don't pay for things
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>>45928363
Then why don't the studios stop giving Netflix content?
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>>45928559
>Update: Netflix tells us that there's been "no change" in the way it handles VPNs
There is no change because it's already in their TOS but now they're enforcing it.
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>>45927406
Is this confirmed?
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>>45928095
When you don't live in the US, you won't be able to watch US content, which is pretty much the largest around the world due to licenses.

Netflix Germany has like a fraction of what US Netflix has.
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>>45927406
So, Hola will be blocked?
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>>45928575
Money. Netflix pays well and has a large user base. However they fear that Netflix might become too powerful. Also they dislike the idea that people in countries without Netflix are using proxies to watch their movies on Netflix instead of buying the DVDs/BDs.
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>>45928649
Halt die Fresse und schau dir Bauer sucht Frau an. :^)
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>check account page
>see this
>what do

not canceling account since i've got 370 netflix bux, just curious what the hell is this
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>>45927440
Or Free DRM shit & Creative commons stuff
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>>45928290
But this is bullshit though and it's part of an archaic system. Region locking only makes sense with physical media. You can't re-sell movies you watch on Netflix, so there's no sense in region-locking them.
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>>45928560
>buy it on iTunes, no idea what format
mpeg-4 audio at 256k

>>45928560
>two-click FLAC torrent download
>I wonder why people don't pay for things

This has been the counter point forever, the owners just don't care. Their attitude is that they're in the legal right (that they created), so why should they change (listen to their consumer base).
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>>45928730
in another words:
>we are botnet and you are not allowing us to get data from you
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>>45928290
6/10
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>>45928737
Even with physical media you're only buying a license that allows you to watch the movie. The medium itself doesn't matter.
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>>45928763
well i only have ublock activated and don't have a vpn setup now.

did use hola a few days ago, maybe that was it?
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>>45928737
but muh capitalism
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>>45928802
maybe
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How exactly can they tell people are using proxies?
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>>45928797
Please tell me how accessing content without a license is not pirating.
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Every person on earth knows the solution to this.

Global licensing.

How long do you think the lobbyists will delay it?

I expect to see Global Licensing by my death, but not until I'm at least 50, and I'm 24 right now.

Barring America getting fedup and forcibly taking hollywood away from the current set of studios, I don't see this improving.

The general problem is that Film Companies, Cable Companies, ISPs, and Oil Companies all don't really operate like normal businesses. They generate money from a thing that they can set prices on, that is (in practice) essentially unlimited. They essentially have a license to print money, and thus have never really competed in the private sector like other industries are forced to do.

Oil is one thing, there's an actual service done to pull it out of the ground, the others just print money off aging infrastructure/cliched stories and are universally hated by Americans. The MPAA and Cable Industry really have to go.
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>>45927793
Considering trying this on Android. I know Popcorn Time uses torrenting, but how is seeding handled? I don't want to burn through my data by seeding in the background, it's fine if I'm on WiFi though.
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>>45927660
>Why is the movie industry so retarded?
because they want to sell the licenses in the different countries. If everyone is using VPNs to make them look like they're accessing Netflix from USA then they won't be able to sell the said licenses to any other country
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Stop watching shitty fucking movies that are basically the same formula recycled with a different script and cast?

Fucking Disney and Marvel have destroyed movies as we know it. Its all about special effects and eye candy, what the fuck happened to a good story and acting?

I rather watch Anime, at least it has more depth.
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>>45928926
It just seeds while you are watching. I combined it with a chromecast, and no I actually have a reason to use a tv.
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>>45928560
I once tried to download an EP from amazon, and before I could do it, I had to download a proprietary Amazon "Download Manager." That pretty much put me off doing that again. I didn't even bother getting the album from there, I just went and pirated it, after I had already bought it. I don't know if this is still in practice or not.

It's exactly like
>>45928752
said, and I can't help but laugh when companies bitch about pirates.
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>>45928891
end user don't need licenses, genius.
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>>45928972
Stop watching shitty fucking movies that are basically the same formula recycled with a different script and cast?

Fucking Star Wars and Jaws have destroyed movies as we know it. Its all about special effects and eye candy, what the fuck happened to a good story and acting?

I rather watch Kung-Fu Flix, at least it has real special effects.

The point of my post is that movies have been bad most of our lives. Since at least Heaven's Gate ruined the chances of auteurs working in film.
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>>45928972
>Anime
>depth
>good story and acting
Enjoy your schoolgirls, pedo.
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>>45928977
yeah they push that dl manager hard. you can download the tracks without it, but you they limit you to just doing it one by one.
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>>45928866
Probably the same way 4chan knows you're using a proxy.
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>>45928728
Fick dich digga! Bald kommt Dschungelcamp!
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>>45928737
>>45928798
>>45928815
You niggas need GNU.

Go to Stallman.org and GNU.org and read up on software licensing and patents before you contribute to this conversation.

tl;dr it's impossible to own proprietary software in practice, as a consumer. Any agreement that allows actually ownership of the software is highly dangerous to the rights owner due to how assbackwards software law is. Because of this, you have a revokable license that you are legally "leasing" indefinitely on any content you own, physically or digitally.

This applies to software and any media encoded onto a proprietary encrypted format (DVDs and Blu-Ray). If the MPAA could somehow have a "is this license revoked" online check on every disk without people flipping out majorly they would. If they could make those licenses expire after a few years they would as well. These are some of the few protections us Americans have under law.
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>>45928972
Are you 12? There are still good films coming out, you just won't find them from mainstream studios, generally. Also they don't provide instant gratification for general audiences so they almost never see wide releases.
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>>45928988
>what is a end-user license
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>>45928998
What do you superior moral people, who are above masturbating to adult-bodied 18-year-old anime chicks, jack off to?

Dicks?
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>>45929119
Thanks for asking. Right now I'm jerking off to JAVs featuring bound girls getting fucked by dildos attached to drills.
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So this is the first time I'm hearing of Hola. Is this a viable VPN for general privacy purposes, or is it mainly for bypassing regional restrictions?
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>proxy "pirates"
>they paid for service from the wrong stretch of land!
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>>45929183
It's a botnet that happens to allow you to bypass regional restrictions.
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>>45929198
>>they paid for service from the wrong stretch of land!
>service licenses content from studios
>studios don't allow streaming internationally
>service is not allowed to let you stream from the wrong stretch of land!
>service blocks you
>you shitpost on /g/
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>>45929199
any good alternative to it?
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>>45929166
My case is rested.

The closest to "Drill" porn I've encountered in hentai relates to Gurren Lagann and Katawa Shoujo, neither of which involved drills in a literal sense.

More questions. Doesn't that make you feel kinda rapey? I'm a masochist, I don't like feeling rapey.
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>>45928728
>Bauer sucht Frau
>nicht Frauentausch
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>>45929252
>live on the boarder of two countries with differing content licenses
>visit friend's house who lives just down the road in the other country
>can't use your own account to watch media because hurr wrong land
These laws are just backwards and don't belong in modern society. There's no excuse for them.
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Britfag here, I use ProxMate the chrome plugin to access US netflix because then it's only worth paying £6 a month for.
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>>45929313
>These laws are just backwards and don't belong in modern society.
I'm not arguing against that. I'm simply stating that with the current laws it doesn't matter if you pay for Netflix. If you use a proxy or other means to bypass the regional restrictions you're considered a pirate.
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>>45929079
This is why people should buy hueg hard drives and build projector mancave in their house
The film experience with any film you want
It isn't even expensive these days like it was in the past
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>>45927793
>popcorn time
>Downloading copyrighted material may be illegal in your country. Use at your own risk.

So I'll get a shit ton of alerts from my isp.
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>>45929413
lol have you ever torrented? As long as you aren't a moron, theres very little risk. If you're that scared, use your netflix bux and get a vpn.
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>>45929262
>The closest to "Drill" porn I've encountered in hentai relates to Gurren Lagann and Katawa Shoujo, neither of which involved drills in a literal sense.
You should look into it. Drills are fun.

>More questions. Doesn't that make you feel kinda rapey? I'm a masochist, I don't like feeling rapey.
Nah, it's a professional setting with consent, contracts, safe words and destroyed asses.
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>>45927705
It's a little convoluted, but it appears the News Corp owned "The Australian" originated the practice of calling proxy or vpn users as pirates.
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>>45929354
>If you use a proxy or other means to bypass the regional restrictions you're considered a pirate.
and that is fully retarded
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>>45928023

well brits do have their porn blocked so it makes sense
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The terminology is confusing (I am not a native speaker, use Netflix with US VPS). Will the new rules block you from accessing from a VPN/etc. or will it actually banish your account and cancel your subscription?

I assume the former but would like clarification.

Either way if my VPS's IP gets banned I'm canceling my subscription. Fucking European Netflix has no content.
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>>45929873
Probably the former.

Canceling it is probably the only way to get netflix's attention really.
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>>45928737

Region locking mostly arises out of complying with different national laws that is subjective for the same content due to different cultural sensibilities. Companies just try to exploit from this as much as they can
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>>45928674

We will have to wait and see

Hola theoretically would not have blocked earlier when their whole system was P2P, now they just use common VPN which 4chan easily detects, earlier it used to be undetectable even by 4chan thanks to being p2p before
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>>45929873
>>45929933
I just looked it up and it seems this entire thing is clickbait blown out of proportion. Check the Netflix ToS. They claim nothing has changed.

I am also not so worried as VPSs for location bypassing is much less popular than shared VPN providers.

But I will cancel if it turns out this is true. I pay because:
• Legal
• Good content
• Hassle-free, just click-and-watch

If I can't have all 3 I'm going back to P2P...
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>>45929933
>Canceling it is probably the only way to get netflix's attention really.
Are you retarded? Netflix knows about the demand and would happily let everyone pay but they don't have the licenses.

>>45929983
>• Legal
It's not legal if you bypass regional restrictions.
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>>45929011
>yeah they push that dl manager hard

why do they monetise it?
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>>45928921

The biggest hurdle is difference in nation laws across the globe for same type of content
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>>45930041
Is that "Why? Do you they monetise it?", because I don't believe they do.

They probably just want to get that on your computer because they think you'll be more likely to buy music from amazon in the future, and also maybe because it gathers data on you.

I personally don't know a single person who buys digital music from amazon.
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>Netflix is starting to block subscribers who access its service using VPN services and other tools that bypass geolocation restrictions. The changes, which may also affect legitimate users, have been requested by the movie studios who want full control over what people can see in their respective countries.

Looks like I'll be cancelling my subscription before I go to China. Thanks, Netflix.
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>>45928971
I've used netflix in other countries, they have better stuff than us here in the states.
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