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Reminder: If you are using anything other than RHEL, CentOS,

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Reminder: If you are using anything other than RHEL, CentOS, or Fedora then you shouldn't be using Linux at all.
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>>45388569
For professional use I agree
however as much as I hate ubuntu
It's the best distro for noobs
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reminder: if you're shitposting about linux on /g/, you should probably install gentoo
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>>45388569
Using Fedora LXDE.

What's the best video player from the package manager?
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>>45388569
*tips fedora*
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>>45388624
MPV or SMPlayer from RPMFusion
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>>45388569
Our lead sysadmin has Ubuntu with Unity installed on all of our servers and SSH disabled.
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>>45388694
>Ubuntu as a Server
>Unity

Sick fucker.
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>>45388735
I removed it from the server I manage and now he doesn't know how to maintain anything because they only use GUIs and the terminal is some sort of mystery box they refuse to touch unless guided by an online tutorial.
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> Fedora as a Desktop
>not based OpenSUSE

Mongrel.
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>>45388807
What kind of server is it? Because, for fuck's sake, how does one learn to mantain a Linux server with GUI? If it was at least Webmin I would understand.
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*tips fedora*
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>>45388569
[~]───────╼ uname -a
Linux localhost.localdomain 3.17.3-200.fc20.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri Nov 14 19:45:42 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[~]───────╼
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and what about Scientific Linux
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>>45388807
Still better than a Microsoft Certified sysadmin who has no clue what he's doing at all.
That is, of course, assuming your guy doesn't have any sort of Ubuntu Certification, or whatever you would call it.
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>>45388846
All of our webservers run Ubuntu, as well as a few pieces of internal infrastructure related to deployment and such. Everything else is Windows Server 2008 R2.

>>45388885
He's a Windows guy that also happens to manage some critical infrastructure that runs on Ubuntu. No big deal or anything.
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>>45388873
It's just a CentOS remix now. The addins CERN did were nice though.
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Linux roar 3.16.5-gentoo #1 SMP Sun Oct 26 03:36:59 CDT 2014 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
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>>45388569
> if you are using something that works and does not require constant maintenance, you are not an actual linux user
> you should always make things more difficult

Don't worry, anon. You can enable Rahwide and everything will be fucked up again!
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Fuck off with your euphoric shit, OP.

Fedora a shit, SELinux a shit.

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>>45388569
VPS thread?

Why is HostGator charging $20/ month for the most basic VPS with no options when others are $5-$8/ month with better specs and you can choose your OS?

The only thing i really like about HostGator is that their site is lightweight and mostly static. I can't stand excessive scripts, bloat, and problems in a business website. It gives off a bad impression.
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>>45388943
>implying selinux is an operative system
>implying you aren't retarded
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>>45388991
SELinux is a security/permissions thing that comes enabled by default in Fedora and is absolutely retarded for everything except very specialised servers.
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>>45388976
digital ocean is neat for hourly billed VPS.
ramnode is nice. i have a $16/year VPS that i host a few sites from, and use as a VPN.
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>>45388569
is there a rhel derivative that's rolling release?
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>>45389002
Not really, it prevents most exploits. You harden a PC considerably by just having it enabled.
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Fedora runs like garbage compared to everything else, and centos/redhat release came out when victoria was still queen.
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>>45389011
How is security handled? Some say they handle all attacks 24/7, and some don't mention it at all.

I'm sure with shared hosting others on the same server would be pissed, so you'd think they would try to prevent that.
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>>45389037
in what world do you live in where there are linux exploits in the wild?
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>>45389052
RHEL 7 was released a couple months ago anon.
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>>45389069
queen victoria lived a surprisingly long life bruh
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>>45389037
You also break lots of things.
The latest version of MongoDB did not work in Fedora last time I tried because of this SELinux bullshit.

>hurr mongodb sucks
It was my job you basement dwellers, and that's besides the point. A permission thing shouldn't be so complex to the point of confusing even the distro's own packagers.
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>>45389069
The packages are from the industrial revolution though.
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>>45389080
The packages are mature.
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>>45389095
my great great grandmother is mature, the packages are just plain old
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Reminder: RHEL-based distros have antique management utilities, horrendous package managers, and generally outdated repos. In addition to lack of support or serious security issues with modern technologies (OpenStack, LXC).

Also reminder that Debian-based distros get far more installs in enterprise.

Here's an example on how to let a user sudo.

Debian-based:
usermod -a -G sudo user

RHEL-based:
manually visudo it

Don't even get me started on RHEL networking.

Sincerely, a Debian administrator working at a Fortune 500
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>>45389068
I manage webservers and there are always skiddies trying to root shit. SELinux means that even if somehow they managed to exploit something it would limit the damage considerably since they couldn't really escalate beyond that process.

>>45389079
It "breaks" things because MongoDB developers suck. The defaults work fine for normal end users, and it's not terribly difficult for sysadmins to understand either. Go watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQqX3RWn0Yw
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Hey fedorafriends. Do most of you guys use infinality? should I do that or stick with default?
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>>45389095
>nginx version from 2010
>mature

>tmux not in repos
>more stable than screen
>muh mature
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>>45389127
>It "breaks" things because MongoDB developers suck.
But it's Fedora packagers who write the SELinux rules for it.

Wine also breaks sometimes.
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>>45388569
what about android?
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>>45389114
Wow, the 30 seconds it takes to type it in with visudo, wow so hard.
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Obligatory http://www.openstack.org/blog/2013/11/openstack-user-survey-october-2013/

Ubuntu Server is Debian with good management and automation tools (Juju and such). If you use RHEL, you're deprecated. Ubuntu is the most popular distro on public clouds. Ubuntu gets more new installs than RHEL in enterprise.
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>>45389133
Just install freetype2 and set to slight and rgb.Infinality is beyond retarded. It's called that because only infants would use it.
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>>45389158
Hard to script. Have you ever sysadmined?
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>>45389133
From a base Fedora install I just run this[1] and then check the boxes I want. It covers most of what you'll want changed out of the box, besides a few small things.

[1] https://satya164.github.io/fedy/
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I refuse to take distros which don't even include htop or tmux in default repos seriously.
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>>45389197
I'm using fedora 21 and that seems to not have been updated for it yet.
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>>45389052
RHEL is a server's distro and the one with the longest lifetime and great update schedule. You can't expect a server's distro to upgrade as a desktop one.

And it has been ages since Fedora was shitty, especially 21 is gearing towards being a great and stable release.
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>>45389208
>using modern software

We have a hipster here /s

Next you'll tell me that they don't ship an modern version of the most popular webserver for the top 10k sites!
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>>45389214
It only releases updates after some weeks the final release has been made.
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>>45389208
Why not just open another terminal? I would rather just switch terminals then have to type ctrl +b everytime seriously wtf. Emacs-like keybindings are the worst. Ctrl is the worst modifier.
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>>45389114
>RHEL-based distros have antique management utilities
Red Hat actually deprecated ifconfig unlike other distros that still keep it around while they say not to use it for the past decade.

>horrendous package managers
Yum is better than apt, by far. If you think otherwise you're a crazy person. Plus, they're writing a new package manager[1]

>and generally outdated repos
CentOS is old and stable. Fedora is very, very modern. Rawhide is the most bleeding edge distro there is besides compiling shit yourself (Go install Gentoo if you want that).

>manually visudo it
Usermod works in CentOS.

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DNF
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>>45389249
>server OS

>Usermod works in CentOS.
Not with sudo groups
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>>45389172
Well you see the big difference is that Ubuntu server is free, while Red Hat requires enterprise to spend money on support.
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>>45389257
>Yum is better than apt, by far. If you think otherwise you're a crazy person.


AHAHAHAHHAHA 10/10 YOU GOT ME GOOD

Daily reminder that your PPA or similar equivalent almost always leads to broken packages, while Debian and Ubuntu do it fine
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>>45389208
Both are available in EPEL, so what?
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>>45389260
What the hell are you talking about? Usermod has nothing to do with sudo besides allowing you to add a user to a group. You control the permissions of that group with visudo, not usermod.
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>>45389280
>Usermod has nothing to do with sudo besides allowing you to add a user to a group.

Members of group sudo in Debian-based distros (including Ubuntu) get sudo access. Do your research before making bullshit claims.
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>>45389268
You're both taking the wrong side.
Pacman or Portage or you can get out
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>>45388569
Reminder: If you feel you're entitled to dictate to others what OS they choose to use, you may be suffering from severe autism and/or homosexuality.
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>>45389287
I am aware of that. But that's just because Ubuntu/Debian include a group called sudo in sudoers by default. RHEL does the same thing and you can even add a user to the group during install.
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>>45389315
>2012
>2014
Come on
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>>45389311
>RHEL does the same thing and you can even add a user to the group during install.

Can't replicate.

>>45389320
Disparity's far greater now.
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>>45389328
That's nice to know, I'm glad it's empirically represented in your image.
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>>45389340
how2extrapolate
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>>45389339
>>45389315
Are you a fucking tard? Ubuntu is free while RedHat requires people to spend a shit load of money. Of course there would be a lot more Ubuntu users. But who do you think the US government and real businesses use?
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>>45389358
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>>45388569
why?
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>>45389328
>Can't replicate.
What the fuck are you talking about? This is in RHEL sudoers files by default

root ALL=(ALL) ALL

So just do usermod -aG root user and they'll have sudo privileges. Same shit as Ubuntu/Debian except the group is called root instead of sudo.
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