What GNU/Linux distros are out there that don't use systemd?

Slackware

and that's the list.

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>mfw people whine about systemd when it's perfectly fine

>>45268573
http://judecnelson.blogspot.de/2014/09/systemd-biggest-fallacies.html

>>45268319
debian stable still doesn't use systemd

>>45268588
>http://judecnelson.blogspot.de/2014/09/systemd-biggest-fallacies.html

you sure showed me anon. It doesn't dismiss the fact that systemd does its job and does it good, it evolves as everything but it's being an elitist fuckwat to reject it.

Question.
How can I write a service file for systemd that doesn't write anything to the journal? But still runs.. Should be somewhere under [Service] but I don't know what to use..

>>45268596
because debian stable is a gazillion years old

>>45268628

Didn't like that one? Don't worry, here's another one:

http://blog.lusis.org/blog/2014/09/23/end-of-linux/

What systemd should be: "Let's make a modern replacement for sysvinit"

What systemd has become: "Let's build a system that will not only replace sysvinit but which will also manage your entire system from the ground up, and why not, let's stick in there a word processor in case you want to edit something while your initramfs is being initialised and let's make another module that can say "Hi, Jedi master" while it offers to walk your dog... And it's ALL gonna be integrated within a single place. So no more having different small subsystems that do very well one single task: let's have a do-it-all abomination that exposes a gigantic attack surface to find system vulnerabilities and that also brings back hundreds of bugs that we had managed to remove from Linux and sysvinit years, if not decades, ago. And you know what's gonna be the best part of it? We're gonna shove it everyone's throat so they don't have a fucking choice whether they want to stay as they are or actually embrace it. Yup, it's gonna be amazing, guys."

>>45268628
>does its job
It doesn't even have a clear definition of what its job is.

>>45268881
I like the fact how PID1 only uses less than 2MB of memory to manage all of that.

>>45268900
Complete desktop systems used to fit in less than that.

False dichotomy: The Image.

>>45268588
Jude is a moron.

>>45268922
So? Just X alone uses 10 times the memory, why not bitch about that HUGE ATTACK SURFACE?
Oh yeah, because X isn't made by a guy that called all of you talentless faggots, and he's right.

>>45268881
systemd's PID1 code is as small as possible, and the old shit systemd is also meant to replace like polkit is a thousand times as ugly as systemd is.

>>45268951
X is a huge attack surface, and people -- including Unix's authors -- have been railing against all manner of aspects of X for decades.

>>45268951
If someone would want to force everyone to use X, including servers with absolutely no need of it, a lot of people would bitch about it.

>>45268962
Not nearly close to the manner the banshees jumped on systemd like it's the harbinger of judgement day

>>45268319
Ubuntu

>>45268977
Nobody's forcing you to use systemd either, there's still server distros like slackware and gentoo running sysvinit

>>45268953
>and the old shit systemd is also meant to replace like polkit is a thousand times as ugly as systemd is.
In other words, Freedesktop made a problem for itself which it is now attempting to fix by reimplementing various fetid pieces of shit in one suite of uberdaemons.

systemd: Complex non-solutions to simple non-problems.

>>45268980
Just how underage are you? Go and look at Ken Thompson's and Rob Pike's comments on X and Berkeley Sockets.

>>45268994
What's the best translation of "Niemand hat die Absicht eine Mauer zu errichten"?

>>45269038
"The please of being cummed inside."

before we go any further, if you don't like systemD there is always *BSD

>>45269079
NO I HATE HAVING ALTERNATIVES SYSTEMD NEEDS TO GO

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>>45268319
i read the chart title as Systemd vs SysVomit

>>45269038
"Nobody has the intention to build a wall" is the most literal translation that I can pull from mine and Google Translate's collective asses, but as an american I would simplify it to "fuck that shit".

>>45269118
SysVinit is about as maintained as vomit so it's appropriate.

>>45268319
>sysvinit
>chkconfig

Whoa there...

>>45269079
BSD is not an alternative on desktop

>>45268319
It's optional in each and every one, you flaming homosexual.

>>45269134
You're one of those "I only use software that's actively developed" fags aren't you?

>>45269159
You're a funny cunt.

>>45269174
>"I only use software that's actively developed"
>not doing so

>>45269174
>You're one of those "I only use software that's unmaintained" fags aren't you?

>>45268922
True.

But sysvinit and it's lackeys could never hope to fit in that limited space.

>>45269170
Yes with every distribution you can just format everything and install Slackware.

>>45269159

yes it is

>>45269184

BSD is maintained, but in true *unix fashion it's only updated when it needs to be. If you need some specific, modern feature add it yourself.

>>45269079

*BSD doesn't have a quarter of the amount of software GNU/Linux has. For commonplace server stuff *BSD is fine (perhaps even better than GNU/Linux) but as soon as you try to pull something a bit more obscure, you'll soon find yourself in a dead alley.

The only thing we ask for is being given the alternative to get systemd or not, as much as we do with DEs or WMs. I personally think systemd goes against everything Linux (and UNIX) is supposed to be: lean, modular and simple.

Also, does anyone know if any of the FOSS GNU/Linux distros have systemd or sysvinit? I'm talking about Trisquel, Parabola...

>>45269184
I tend to use software that is stable and isn't going to change underfoot with insane bullshit like renaming network interfaces from eth* to ens834e293n991p31

>>45269038
Why are you using an out of context quote about the Berlin Wall?

>>45268922

>what is Damn Small Linux
>what is and loonix os sans gui

ubuntu server is only 512 MB, about ~128 MB is used during runtime. Other distros, especially *BSD ones, can use less

>>45269185
What?
the actual init (as in what runs in PID 1) is tiny

>>45269219
>but as soon as you try to pull something a bit more obscure,
Such as...

>>45269174
>>45269209
>maybe if I shill more people into it, somebody will write drivers for my hardware
yeah, nah.

>>45269219

>*BSD doesn't have a quarter of the amount of software GNU/Linux has

so? the software it does have works fine

it has a browser, a word processor, a spreadsheet maker, a broswer, an IDE, etc. What else do you need?

>>45269252

I only bring up BSD because it's a systemD thread, and BSD doesn't use systemD

also

>somebody will write drivers for my hardware

no, I expect people to write their own drivers like the real unix users they are

>>45269230
because he lacks actual arguments and thought it was intelligent to do it like the ebin green text

>>45269220
Is that your only concern?
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/#idontlikethishowdoidisablethis

>>45269230
It's as big of a lie as saying "no one wants to force you to use systemd"

>>45269277
>>>/out/

>>45269252
lol, the true open source spirit you have. Why don't you just stick to Windows?

>>45269279
Or I can just carry on using BSD-style init and devfs happily.

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>>45269292

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>>45269291
In that case, I would parallel it with the stuff the gun control folks have been using. Still, I use systemd and it ain't half bad.

>>45269353
"ain't half bad" means "really quite bad", which is fitting.

>>45269392
>can't into american
Have fun with your init scripts when I go systemctl enable yourmother.service.

What is sytemd?

>>45269432
But it's German.
One OS, one daemon, one systemd

>>45269461
A source of buttinflammation for many BSD and traditional UNIXtards.

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>>45269392

>>45269475
Don't get so excited there, m8. I consider myself a traditional UNIXtard yet I don't care that much about systemd so as to spend all day crying about it or worse (http://news.softpedia.com/news/Developer-Leaves-Debian-Systemd-Maintainer-Team-After-Constant-Attacks-465081.shtml).

I was just asking for alternative distros that at least give me the chance to decide whether I want it or not. I like Arch Linux a lot anyway and I don't think I'm gonna stop using it just because they adopted systemd. There are so many other things I like about Arch that I'm not willing to give it up just for one bad thing, however relevant it might be.

>>45269559
I said many, not all, which is still correct unless a lot of people had a change of heart overnight.

>>45269559
>I like Arch Linux a lot
Where do they keep coming from?

>>45269574
From some cleverly hidden IRC hole I assume.

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>>45269574

>>45269559
haha
I thought only Lennart was a huge faggot but it seems all systemd supporters are.

>>45269623
>liking lottery tickets

Systemd should be rewritten in Go

>>45269291
That's the great thing about foss. No one can force you to do things you don't want to do.

No one can force you to use systemd, just like how you can't force people to maintain legacy systems like sysvinit.

So in Debian it's optional, right?

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>>45269642

>>45268951
X doesn't run as root though. Well at least not on my systems.
Of course all my systems run OpenBSD. ;-)

>>45269695
;-)

>>45269686
Yes and no: since Debian's upgrade pace is so slow you can still find modern versions of Debian having sysvinit, but I don't think it's gonna remain that way for the upcoming versions.

>>45269724
Didn't they at least agree that it'll be init agnostic?

Why is everyone so desperate to shove this shit down people's throats?

>>45269695
Nothing runs on BSD.

>>45269741
Because it's fucking better than sysvinit

>>45269159
I'm using it on desktop right now.
Okay actually it's a Thinkpad that's sitting on a desk, but that's close enough. ;-)
Haven't used Linux on desktop for about 10 years. I can do everything with BSD. You're wrong to think that open-source code doesn't get ported by FreeBSD & friends. If it's open-source and useful, it gets ported.

>>45269767
I bet you're enjoying your 20 minute battery life.

>>45269219
You sound like you haven't seen BSD since early 90's. Modern BSD desktop is almost indistinguishable from Linux. Under the hood, it's different of course. There's no systemd for example. ;-) And the kernel and libc are different. The man pages are better, and so is the firewall. It's more cohesive because it's built as a whole, rather than bits and pieces slapped together half-ass.

>>45269809
BSD shills are a worse breed than Archfags.

>>45269760
fuk u faget

>>45268865
no, its current

>install Debian Wheezy
>point sources.list to testing or unstable
>dist-upgrade

enjoy using debian with no systemd

>>45269884
Why would I enjoy a system with a obsolete init? You're silly, son.

>>45269809

Last time I played with FreeBSD was this summer. I'll admit I've never used it extensively and, don't get me wrong, I like it a lot, but I don't know... I still feel it doesn't have so rich a software base as any of the the mainstream GNU/Linux distros do. For me it's very important to know that my distro has a large dev community backing it, even if I'm gonna use less than 1% of the software in the repositories. I guess it's a matter of taste.

>>45269889
>with a obsolete init
sorry your English is incomprehensible

http://www.zdnet.com/linus-torvalds-and-others-on-linuxs-systemd-7000033847/

Linus Torvalds himself says he has no strong opinions about it, yet the only thing he points out about it is a negative one.

However it isn't true what that article says: I use Ubuntu 14.04 and I rarely have to restart the system due to recently installed upgrades, unless they're really critical ones, like a new kernel image or something like that.

>>45269929
It's a matter of u being having autism

>>45270027
Autists deserve versatile and robust operating systems more than anyone else. Your argument is invalid.

>>45270049
Autists don't deserve anything, not even life support.

>>45270049
Autists just need an emulator running a Sonic game, nothing else.

>>45270068
Well, by the looks of your grammar

>It's a matter of u being having autism

you seem a bit mentally challenged too. It's alright, we can have each other's back. You tell me how I can get a life and I'll tell you how you can think like an autonomous, intelligent person.

>>45270091
But I'm an autist and I hate Sonic.

>>45268985
>>45268319

Just install the objectively best distro: Ubuntu.

Amazing community, systemD free.

>>45270131
The fuck are you talking about m8. Ubuntu has had sytemd since 13.04

http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu

Also, Ubuntu is the less Linuxy Linux distro there is. I want to stay away from it even more than from systemd.

>>45268319
systemd is so much cleaner and more efficient than sysvinit. This is really a comparison between a pile of poorly hacked together shell scripts to a professionally written C codebase

>>45270185
>pile of poorly hacked together shell scripts
I don't see you doing any better....

>>45270155
>Also, Ubuntu is the less Linuxy Linux distro there is. I want to stay away from it even more than from systemd.

le fedora tipping

>>45270227
He's right though. I'm a Ubuntu user, but I'm probably going to get Gentoo or Void when I'm mentally prepared.

>>45270185
Slackware's init scripts are proven, simple, well structured, well commented and so easy to understand and customize.
I have zero desire to switch to something else.

>>45270289
In short, afraid of change even if it's more performant and has more support.

>>45270215
Not him, but he doesn't have to do better because systemd already has

>>45270337
>more performant
An init script runs once, who gives a shit about the performance? It's better than a bloated as fuck PID 1 running all the time and can potentially bring your whole system down, and also requires crap like dbus runnning all the time.
>more support
There's zero support for systemd on Slackware.

>>45269559
This is great

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Well, well... Look what just showed up in OpenBSD ports...
https://github.com/Xylemon/xlennart

So when are the alternatives going to show up so we don't have to use this shit fuck.

>>45270518
I hope this will get Lennart to whine on his g+ again.

>>45270568
He probably wouldn't give a fuck.

>>45270700
The guy even whines about people making dumb jokes on IRC.

>>45270533
runit
s6
Upstart
dmd

I'm getting really fucking tired of this SysV and systemd dichotomy when all your alternatives are a single search away.

>>45270725
>not mentioning uselessd
>not mentioning openrc

>>45270725
http://tools.suckless.org/sinit

>>45268588
Ha, I was in some classes with that guy in undergrad. Good for him getting into Princeton.

>>45268319
I like how stopping a service at startup for systemd is almost the same as stopping a service that's running.

>>45270755
>>45270791
Those, too.

I salute the uselessd guys. It feels like they're trying to tame a rabid bear that's high on speed.

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THIS IS THE FUTURE
>HURD kernel
>systemd
>wayland

discuss

>>45270860
>HURD
plan9 has a better chance of taking off

>>45270860
>HURD
>dmd
>guix

One system!
One movement!
One Stallman!

>>45268588
>Jude's blog
oy vey

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I think PID 1 should be a simple shell script, so it's easy to audit.

>>45268319
install bsd, seriosly

>>45271700
systemd shills actually think that's what sysvinit does

>>45269884
debian testing uses systemd now

>>45270111
>mentally challenged
retarded

>>45271769
I thought that's what it does.

>>45268573
>perfectly fine
says the retard that thinks his situation is the only one that could possibly exist in this world

SlackWare andddd.... None more that i can think of.

>>45272567
Gentoo, funtoo.

>>45273648

>>45272567
Slackware
Void
CRUX
Gentoo