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OFFICIAL /G/ RETRO COMPUTING THREAD

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Welcomed: All PCs pre-Windows XP, classic Macs, Amigas, 8-bit computers
Not welcome: Tripfags, nostalgia shitposting, asking for help running games on emulation (you have /vr/ for that), post-2000 hardware and OSes
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>>43266271
What about pre-2000 linux?
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>>43266286
Ok.
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bumpin
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repost since I missed the new thread

>>43265933
> Do you know if you can still
> buy paper for these things from
> office supply stores? I don't
> know much about dot matrix printers
> or if they use varying standards
> of paper ;_;

Yeah, you can. I procured a box at the same time I got the printer, but I'm totally drawing a blank as to where I bought it. I THINK I had to order it online from Amazon, but it was a huge box that'll probably last me several years.
In any case, the ImageWriter uses regular 8 1/2 x 11 paper (which actually tends to be listed as "9 x 11" or something like that because it includes the feeder holes on both sides that you tear off after printing), which was pretty much the "standard issue" dot-matrix printer paper, so while you'll have to pay more today than back in the day since there's less of it being produced, it's still out there, at least for now.
(Also, like modern printers, you can adjust the guides to take thinner paper widths, like if you wanted to print postcards or something, but 8.5/9 is about as wide as it can handle.)
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>>43266368
As I said, I'm pretty sure most common inkjet/laser paper will work, but probably not photo paper because it's too slick.
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>>43266271
>Tomb Raider
>not nostalgia shitposting
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>>43266271
I thought TR had both DOS and Windows 95 versions.
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>>43266271

Welcome: Windows 1.x-3.x/9x/NT, MS/PC-DOS, OS/2, Classic Mac OS 1-9, Amiga, 8-bit home systems, CP/M, Legacy Unix platforms, anything pre-1999 you can possibly think of

Tolerated: Windows 2000, Windows Me, OS X on PowerPC systems, GNU/Linux (relating to retro hardware)

Tolerated, but discouraged: Retro consoles (there's /vr/ for that guys), DOS game emulation (/vr/)

pls go: XP, OS X on Intel systems

Use a variant of this next time. We get questions like >>43266286 every fucking time because you niggers randomly exclude platforms because of some inane autism
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>>43266368

I replied in the last one as well >>43266345

Now I need to figure out where the fuck I put my DIN serial cable :DD
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>>43266427
No, it's only DOS.
>>43266430
>trying to be a rule Nazi and force everyone to use your copypaste
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>>43266271
hey i remember this level!
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>>43266449
You need an adapter to connect Apple printers to a D-shell serial port.
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>>43266458

>making half-assed OPs that encourage less quality posts by excluding systems and immediately going >>>/vr/ right off the bat
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So /retrocomp/, what projects are you working on?
What's your latest acquisition?
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>>43266492
Wanting to upgrade my Thinkpad 380D's RAM.
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We should probably exclude anything after 1994. Kiddies who think Windows 98 is retro are the cancer ruining these threads.
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>>43266389
> As I said, I'm pretty sure most
> common inkjet/laser paper will
> work, but probably not photo
> paper because it's too slick.

It'll work, but there's two problems:

1) You have to feed it one page at a time. It's a massive pain in the ass to print page 1, have everything grind to a halt, insert one sheet of paper and print page 2, etc.

2) The ImageWriter II feeder doesn't work all that well. Half the time it feeds the paper in a bit sideways and then starts printing at a 20-degree angle before you can even hit the pause button, or pulls the sheet in too far and then ends up printing off the bottom of the page, shit like that. Apple made a big bulky sheet feeder that you could insert on top of the printer that would allow it to actually handle a few dozen sheets of paper at a time like today's printers, but it was rather expensive so I never owned one, and as I recall it wasn't exactly known for its reliability either.
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>>43266476

I actually got this printer for my Mac Plus, so I'm all set.

Came into the shop with another Mac Plus (the one it was originally attached to) but I passed on it since I already have a decently loaded one.

>>43266492

L40SX autist here
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>>43266492
I just got a SCSI Zip drive and I'm trying to plug it into my Amiga 2000 without fucking up the HDD. My recollection of SCSI termination is spotty at best.
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>>43266539
I've actually tried using regular inkjet paper in a Panasonic KX printer and it always printed everything at a slant. You couldn't get it even.
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>>43266543
Might want to ask on a dedicated Amiga site for that.
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>>43266476
>>43266449
> You need an adapter to connect
> Apple printers to a D-shell serial
> port.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that part. I had to buy an adapter to make it work with a modern Mac, and also, no recent version of OS X comes with ImageWriter drivers, so you have to hack it to make it work, and even then the print quality isn't quite what you used to get back in the day. I'm planning on eventually pulling either my G4 lampshade iMac or G3 Bondi iMac out of the closet and just using the ImageWriter with it.
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>>43266532

there's no other place to discuss it, and shit from the post-1994 era is a fantastic introduction to retrocomputing and it's where a lot of people start.

if we cut off anything post-1994 this thread would be full of '80s magazine ads and 8-bits that everyone already knows shit about because not a lot of /g/ owns the interesting stuff from that period

just stop being mad and enjoy the ride
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>>43266430
THIS.

If you want to add systems, that's fine (so long as it's just more detail, such as expanding "8 bit systems" to "8 bit systems (Commodore 64, Sinclair ZX Spectrum, Amstrad CPC) But stop cutting down the copypasta. It benefits nobody.
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>>43266271
I want to play Tomb Raider now
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>>43266532
No they aren't.
Post 1994 OS's didn't even make up 50% of the last thread.
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>>43266532

the cancer ruining these threads are the autists like you that scare people away for having hardware you don't like, shut the fuck up or contribute shit you DO like
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>>43266583
Those guys are all useless when it comes to actually helping with problems and have been for the last quarter century. I've never once gotten practical advice by asking the "Amiga community".
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>>43266676
Mehdi Ali is to blame.
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>>43266676
You mean they only care about making furry-themed demos.
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>>43266696
That, but they also generally don't want to help you because it's assumed you already know how all the shit works.
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>>43266725
So... does the community grow at all?
That really seems like a bad way to encourage new users.
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>>43266764
No and most of it are autistic 35 year old German and Brit manbabbies who want to pretend they're still 10 years old and just beat Superfrog.
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>>43266725

SGI's community is shit like this too, they're all grizzled sysadmins that have been working with the hardware for 20 years and tell you to fuck off if you haven't been daily driving an Octane or above for at least 5 years.
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what does "nostalgia shitposting" mean?

rehashing old arguments for fun?
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>>43266686
And Irving. Don't forget him.
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>>43266840
Making one-liner mah nostalgia comments.
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>>43266817
That's almost as bad as classic car shows where baby boomer retards all arch their backs and hiss if you ask an innocent question about their 66 Chevelle SS.
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>>43266271
Why do people keep cutting down the OP?
I'd understand if this one just cutpasted the OP from the last thread, but this one has managed to be even shorter and more exclusive.

It doesn't even look good to have a short OP, it makes the threads look like they're just throwaway, poorly thought out posts (lending itself to looking like nostalgia shitposting), rather than something that's been running for a while.
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>>43266879

pretty much

kek, I went into the Nekochan IRC once and tried to make idle conversation in a discussion about sun hardware and got BTFO because I asked some misc. low-effort question about post-sun SPARC systems that apparently rustled their autism or something

it kind of made me want to dump my SGI hardware off, since if you're running anything older than an R10K indigo you're pretty much hopeless since nobody will help you with the basics without being condescending assholes and they won't really help you find software for older systems unless you know people
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On the subject of the Amiga:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCj-hMZ90Rc

Might be of interest to this thread.

Is there anything similar for other systems? I'd be interested in seeing the full version of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyg-DYm7b0A for Windows 3.1.
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I was wondering, do you guys name your computers?
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Still looking for the HP OmniBook 300/430 after a few years, still not one found.

Made by the legendary HP calculator division, it was super durable, came with a 386SLC or 486SLC, ran off PC Card Storage and up to 8-9 hours battery life from 4 AA batteries. In comparison the 3 year older GameBoy ran for 15 hours on 4 AA batteries, it's amazing how power efficient this damn laptop is.
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>>43266987

if it's on a network I'll give it a name, either just something generic relating to the model or a memorable name, usually some geography autism

>suomi
>ryssa
>hrvatska
>eire
>eesti
>lietuva
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>>43267036

I actually think a friend of mine has one of those in storage, shit, I'll have to go check it out.
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>>43267037
My main rig is named Charon, but I was thinking of adapting a naming scheme for all of my devices. I have at least 9 devices that need names, so I need an expansive naming system for future acquisitions.
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>>43266987
I used to, but then I decided to use this professional naming scheme on my LAN:
[Manufacturer]-[Model Name]
IBM-THINKPADW520
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>>43266987
I name my hard drives after dead ex-girlfriends.
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any ideas what to do with a pentium3 867mhz w 384mb ram?

already ruled out file server cuz reasons

honestly thinking of putting in a more modern mobo
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Did that swamp fox or whatever his trip was make that DOS guide yet? Is there any news on it
?
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>>43267083
Actually I'm pretty autistic so I would name all my gaming systems too. So we're talking around 24 devices to name. I was thinking about doing Sultans of a particular area, but their names become quite long. I thought about doing celestial bodies but those are just based on their own naming system. In the end it would probably be useless. So many names I would have to write them down.
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>>43267143
i use model/name of case-os

ft03-debian
precision390-lubuntu
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>dat voodoo vga
>dat tnt vga
Holy shit, I don't remember the names, but those were glorious days.

Who remembers the vendor lockdown into some engines and resources that were needed in some games?
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Are there any other replica kit systems other than the Altair 8800/Apple 1 replica kits? I'd love something a little more professional.

>>43267276

I'm sure he started working on it but he was probably scared off by all the butthurt autists who don't know how to filter that have begun frequenting this thread, I haven't seen him in a while
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>>43267468
>Who remembers the vendor lockdown into some engines and resources that were needed in some games?

Besides Nuclear Strike (Which is killing my PC gameplay experience and having to resort to the PSX version) I only played simple games like Age of Empires, SimCity, Civilization and RollerCoaster Tycoon. What are some games that had this?

>>43267166
A better question is what do you want to do?

A Pentium 3 on 384MB can soar in terms of gaming as long as you keep the titles 2003 or older.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK99WuaU_k8

>tfw no PDP-11

What are my chances of finding one of these ever?
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>>43268079
Something about large old computers turn me on
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Is it just me who thinks the Lisa looks a lot prettier than the early Macs?

Particularly the on-screen stuff. I love the angled W and such.
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>>43268440
But the Lisa had the same gray screen as the Macs, not the blue one in your pic.
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>>43269203
That's a Mac XL rather than a "true" Lisa, it was just showing the external look of the system.

For on-screen stuff, a better example would be pic-related. It's just nice to look at, so close to the Mac style while still noticeably different.
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>>43268440

It looked and felt a lot more like a professional system than the early Macintoshes, and in many ways it was.
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>>43269247
It's easy to tell the difference.
The Mac had square pixels, the Lisa didn't.
So Mac display elements on the Lisa were distorted.
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>>43266987
Most of them are named after characters from swan lake. My two main desktops are named odile and odette. My VPS is named rothbart. I'm planning a server, but I feel that is a bit of a waste since my main video game pc already does that. I'd name the server siegfried probably.

Been thinking about changing to a different naming scheme. I don't feel like Swan Lake have enough characters to name my stuff after. Touhou or Aria maybe.
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>>43267166
Video games. Lots of old games that need win9x. Stuff that can be a bit of a hassle to run on a current core iX system with windows 7/8.

That Pentium 3 can still be too fast for earlier 9x and ms-dos era games. I have a couple that plays a lot better on a Pentium or through Dosbox.
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This keyboard is still the sexiest thing ever.
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I switched back to using my Treo 650 as my main phone.
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>>43272585
Seeing that in action in real life is amazing. Can't stop opening and closing it.
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>>43269630
>>43268440
The Lisa had some extremely advanced features for the time like a multitasking GUI with full memory protection, but the CPU was clocked at a lower speed than the Mac and so it labored under the weight of the complex OS. Unlike the Mac, it lacked any sound hardware.
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>>43272596
kek I never upgraded in the first place
Treo650-4-life!

Have you heard of FreewarePalm.com? It's great

Also, some apps to help you out:
TCPMP (Best media player ever. period.)
Filez (File explorer program)

and some fun gaymens:
http://www.metaviewsoft.de/en/Software/PalmOS/Freeware/index.html
ZDoomz (Doom port)
ZQuake (Quake port)

http://yoyofr92.free.fr/ljp/
LJP (NES, Atari, Gameboy, etc... supports a ton retro console platforms)
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>>43275126
Thanks for the links. Finally got stuff to put on my Palm Zire 72.
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>>43275223
You're welcome, fellow palm user!
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Does anyone here collect Palm/handheld/pocket PCs? What model is your favorite?
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>>43275568
Posting more.
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>>43275604
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>>43275568
I have a Treo 650 and thinking of getting a HP Jornada 720
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>>43275621
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>>43275637
>>43275635
Just started playing around with my Jornada 720 again.

Some cool resources.
http://www.yetanotherhomepage.com/j7xx/
http://mettavant.pagesperso-orange.fr/pdalogiciels.htm

Some links are dead but the Wayback internet archive might have some of them saved.
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>>43275637
I want you.
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Daily IRC reminder: #/g/retro on irc.rizon.net
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>>43275538
Better picture.
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>>43266595

or you can run a VM with usb passthrough and a serial-->usb bridge to connect the printer and share it as a network printer
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>>43275750
Kaypros use standard soft-sector MFM floppies, so you can easily swap the drives out with 3.5" ones if you like.
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>>43266492
I need a new SID 8580 for my C64, the one I used died yesterday.
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>>43275817
You will however need to set the jumpers on the 3.5" drives since Kaypros use the old-fashioned method of selecting the drive letters by jumpering floppies instead of the IBM cable twist.
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>>43275750
wat can you do with that thing?
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>>43275718
Should we add that to the OP?
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>>43276180
It's comparable to an early IBM PC from 81-83 with DOS 1.x and an MDA card. Mostly designed for basic productivity tasks. You can write a Christmas letter in WordStar or BASIC programs that draw a sine curve of asterisks or something like that.
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>>43276287
There's no graphics (beyond ASCII characters) or sound hardware.
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>>43277060
Collectors often prefer to replace the original 8" drive with 3.5" ones for convenience and because you can't go to Best Buy and get a box of 8" disks.
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The Lisa originally used what were known as "Twiggy" drives. They stored 880k, but were unreliable and required special disks. After the first year, they were replaced by standard 3.5" floppies.
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>>43277181
What's on top in that pic?
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>>43277304
A hard disk.
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>>43277304
>>43277338
A hard disk made by Apple called the "Profile"
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>>43276257
Absolutely.
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>>43266484
Who gives a shit, if it is computing related and made in 2000 or earlier, then post it.
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>retro
>Tomb-Raider

now I feel old
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>>43277882
>Not welcome: nostalgia shitposting
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>>43277943
fuck off then and delete this shit thread
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>>43277943
With that logic OP isn't welcome either
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>>43277952
What exactly is wrong with the thread.
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>>43277952
Little late for that now.
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>>43277970
content: >>43277181
shitpost: >>43277882

the fucking frog maymay is a violation of global rule 3 anyway
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>>43278286
Since when?
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>you will never again experience that feel of playing Reader Rabbit on the school Mac Performas
Hold me...
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>>43278352
>Do not post the following outside of /b/: Trolls, flames, racism, off-topic replies, uncalled for catchphrases, macro image replies, indecipherable text (example: "lol u tk him 2da bar|?"), anthropomorphic ("furry"), grotesque ("guro"), post number GETs ("dubs"), or loli/shota pornography. Keep /pol/ in /pol/. In essence: Don't shitpost.

>uncalled for catchphrases

>macro image replies (ie epic memes)

Since always, they're only haphazardly enforced though.

>>43278396
jesus christ man
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>>43278286

go away, you niggers already scared off anyone who made quality posts with your autism
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>>43278286
I see no text on that image

#REKT
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>>43278449
Oh, an Amiga. I thought for a second that that was a C128.
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What's the best text editor for Workbench 3.1?
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>>43278449
What Ultima is that?
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>>43277831

see >>43266925

in itself it's really not a big deal but these threads are going to shit

>/vr/ nostalgia in the OP pic
>truncated and exclusive OP with hostile bullshit like "m-muh tripfags" that simultaneously encourages shitposting and autism like all the shit quoted in >>43278614
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>>43278575
I'm in the US and I've been looking for a 500 for a month or so. Hard to find and overpriced, apparently they were much more popular in Europe. 128's on the other hand, are everywhere. I saw 3 for $99 on ebay.
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The original PC port of Ultima II. Unusual for this early date, it's a DOS game and not a self-booting disk. It does no speed adjustment and cannot be run on anything but an 8088.
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>>43278675
C128 was common in continental Europe, but almost nonexistent in the UK due to their lack of disk drives.
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>>43278718
Since it uses DOS 1.x functions (File Control Blocks and shit), save game files must be in the current disk directory.
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>>43277624
So having edited it, I've come to:

Welcome: Windows 1.x-3.x/9x/NT, MS/PC-DOS, OS/2, Classic Mac OS 1-9, Amiga, 8-bit home systems, CP/M, Legacy Unix platforms, anything pre-1999 you can possibly think of

Tolerated: Windows 2000, Windows Me, OS X on PowerPC systems, GNU/Linux (relating to retro hardware)

Tolerated, but discouraged: Retro consoles (there's /vr/ for that guys), DOS game emulation (/vr/)

pls go: XP, OS X on Intel systems

IRC: #/g/retro on irc.rizon.net

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Consideration, should we remove "Tolerated, but discouraged" as a section?. I'm not strongly for the idea, nor against it, it just came to mind.

A consideration would be to modify it to emphasise Retro-console hardware (as the story of all the chips in the SNES, cool programming tricks on the 2600, etc, could be interesting.) over "I have a pac-man cartridge, lol that port sucked".

I mean it's harmless to keep since I don't remember a single console post anyway. Just a consideration.
__

Picture, just because the speccy is cool.
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>>43278741
Well you bought them together. My parents bought me a C64C and 1541C together.

The Brits were obsessed with tape drives and used them long after they were considered obsolete. I had a Datasette for a VIC20 but never used after I got the 64 and I don't ever remember even seeing 64/128 software on cassette in the US.
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>>43278839
>since you brought it up

Boom: Console Post

Too late, too few produced to save Commodore

Someone in one of these threads recommended The Deathbed Vigil (thanks) and it's fascinating for any other Commodore fans. I found it on a public torrent site, highly recommended.
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>>43278840
>and I don't ever remember even seeing 64/128 software on cassette in the US

There was some C64 tape software in 82-83.
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>>43278919
Couldn't you hook stuff up to a CD32 to turn it into a pseudo-amiga? Maybe I'm thinking of something else.

Speaking of The Deathbed Vigil, it was quite sad with hindsight hearing people saying they'd be moving on to work at 3DO, given how that flopped as well.
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>>43279015
Technically >>43278938
Isn't allowed at all.

It said retro consoles (hardware) not retro games(software)
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>>43278967
>Couldn't you hook stuff up to a CD32 to turn it into a pseudo-amiga?

Yes, it was pretty much an Amiga 1200. Apparently there were third party hard drives, keyboards, etc.

I believe it was also the first 32 bit console, but I'm not positive. I was also one of the 4 people that bought a 3DO.
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>>43278839
>>43278673
>>43278614
>>43278530
>>43278474
>>43278449
>>43278286
>>43277991
>>43277974
>>43277970
>>43277952
>>43277943
>>43277882
>>43266840
>>43266669
>>43266608
>>43266484
>>43266458
>>43266430

Ignore these faggots, there is no "official" thread for anything because this is an anonymous image board. The closest thing to being official is being a semi-permanent thread. These retro threads have become semi-permanent, just like daily programming, desktop, homescreen, stupid questions, and guts threads, but the difference is that the retro threads are of higher quality, and they entertain and inform me about older computers and software. Quit fighting over the OP pasta, who cares? Everyone has their own definition of retro, if they are so underage that they think XP SP2 is retro, then they do not belong here. What happened to /retro/ being a no-bullying zone? I thought these threads were more civil than the rest of /g/ with its "Install Gentoo" and "Windows users belong on /v/" bullshit.
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>>43278959
>There was some C64 tape software in 82-83.

That was before my microcomputing time. I believe I got the VIC20 used from a classmate around 86 or so, and the 64 in 87 or 88. Pic related is the only commercial software I ever had on Datasette. It was actually kind of cool, educational games, mostly about programming. The fucking load times were ridiculous for a kid with ADHD though.

Here's the book that came with it, scanned
https://archive.org/stream/Gortek_and_the_Microchips_1984_Commodore#page/n0/mode/2up
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>>43279214
The reason changing the OP pasta matters is because the changes made are negative. They are harmful changes.

Sometimes, it's done without ill intent, other times (and this is the most problematic) people do it because they have a dislike for a system.
If someone makes an OP post, but specifically leaves out the Amiga and 8-bit-systems because they sperg against Commodore, someone should point out that OP is being a faggot and any hiding Commodore users can feel safe.
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>>43279294
If you don't like systems being omitted, then just say all systems made up to the year 2000 are welcome. That way there is zero confusion and no systems are being left out. I don't see any reason to leave any specific hardware or OS out of it. Also I think there should be tolerance to some game-related content if it is being played on an old system and the game is also retro.
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>>43279411
"All systems up to the year 2000" works in shortform. I like it. The risk is people who'll come in and make a fuss about windows-98 and similar.
I also agree that game content should be tolerated. (and would be interested in seeing more console-hardware discussion.)

I think a longform OP carries more sort of "air of respect" to discourage shitposting, but I've no evidence for that. I'd not be upset if someone just said "Anything up to 2000" as their OP, though near the end of that thread or when making a future one I would give consideration to posting the longer version.

My aim is simply to be as inclusive as possible without harming the thread.


Anyway, one thing I've noted these threads have lacked - retro Soviet/Russian microcomputers! I'd have thought someone on /g/ would have come into contact with one. (I haven't).
They even made a spectrum clone in 1998! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kay_1024
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Soviet Apple 2 clone
Isn't it cool looking?

>BYTE in November 1984 called Agat "a bad copy of the Apple". While stating "my overall impressions were favorable, considering the source", the reviewer found that "the operating system and ROM seemed to be a direct lift from the Apple", the internals were a "nightmarish wire maze", and that performance was noticeably slower than that of a real Apple. He reported that ELORG planned to sell the computer for $17,000, and that its officials were "shocked" when told how much computing power that amount of money would purchase in the United States.

That keyboard reminds me of an Osborne 1.
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This thread needs more Windows NT. Can you guys handle the Program Manager or do you long for the NT 4 Start Menu? A lot of NT 4 programs and even some programs designed for Win9x will run on NT 3.51.
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>>43278959
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>>43279801
>>43279963
Forgive english, I am russia

soviet computers are of shit. computers of ze capitalists are of the best in entire world, comrade.
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>>43279953
You don't have to bump a thread after eight minutes.
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>>43272585

Nuuuhhh.

Holy shit I almost came, fuck man. I wish someone would try this again.
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>>43272585
That is really keyboard porn, the way it transitions is just plain sexy.
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>>43280000
NT 4 supports a bit newer hardware than 3.51.
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>>43280000
Is the progman included with 9x identical to the one in 3.11?
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>>43280212
Poor baby. Missing keys and there appears to be some screen burn.
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>>43280344
Definitely needs some cleaning.
Some compressed air or Swiffer Dry cleaning cloth would help a bit.
Perhaps there is a way to degauss the monitor to help with the burn-in/EMI.
And the keycaps could probably be replaced.

>theres a reason its called the Trash-80.
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>>43275621
I love this shit, especially the sharp one. Pls post more about them.
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>>43280411
>there's a reason its called the Trash-80

The Model I at least definitely had a lot of cut corners to keep its retail price down. Critics complained about everything from the quality of the video display (essentially a hacked-up RCA TV) to the lack of a data separator in the floppy controller, which made disk access not very reliable.
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>>43280512
I've read it produced so much radio interference you could use it to provide sound for your games if you had a radio.

If true, that's absolutely brilliant.
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>>43280551
This was normal for most early microcomputers until 1981 when the FCC began requiring them to have RF shielding, also the main reason for the Model I's discontinuation (it would have been too expensive to modify it to comply with said regulations)
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>>43280305
Not sure, pretty sure it's 32-bit and includes a lot more stuff for managing the OS since there is no DOS.

>>43280125
Yeah, I have a lot of trouble finding NT drivers for my hardware, especially video drivers since very few are supported. Also the CD is not bootable and none of my 99-00 computers have floppies.
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>>43280771
>Also the CD is not bootable and none of my 99-00 computers have floppies

???

Almost all desktop PCs until the end of the XP era had a floppy.
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>>43279214

Nigger, I just want this general to look good and have a nice OP that doesn't omit systems or piss people off. I loved these threads at first and now it seems to be getting shittier and becoming a /vr/ enclave as sperglords move in and scare off all the interesting posters.

>>43279801

>retro Soviet/Russian microcomputers

They're pretty sweet, but quite rare. Not many could afford them.

http://www.leningrad.su/museum/

This guy maintains a pretty impressive collection of soviet clone gear.

>tfw you'll never own a a shitty PDP-11 clone home computer

>>43280771

>Also the CD is not bootable and none of my 99-00 computers have floppies.

NT4 is bootable, unless you're trying to install 3.51 (haven't read the whole thread)

when I get my NT4 box back on the internet I will have to spam screenshots :DD
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>>43280794
The M700 laptop with a Pentium II does not have a floppy and my custom-built Athlon computer does not have one. I did have one installed at one point but I have no PCs that can really write floppy images from the internet without a huge hassle.
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>>43280861
I know NT 4 is bootable, I have installed NT 4 on both of those computers before because there are drivers. I did get Unreal engine games to run on NT 3.51 in a VM as well, even Deus Ex will run.
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>>43275750
That's a neat blue color, and those variegated case graphics fuck yeah.

Didn't Arthur C. Clark write on one of these in Sri Lanka?
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>>43280875
>The M700 laptop with a Pentium II does not have a floppy

Ok. Most such laptops had an external drive included with them you were supposed to use for installing Windows 9x or whatever.
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Anyone ever have / see any of the Heathkit robots?

before you tell me to fuck off to /toy/, this bastard has an 8088, a floppy drive, and 2 x RS232 ports, not to mention a full keyboard remote.
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>>43280970
>Didn't Arthur C. Clark write on one of these in Sri Lanka?

Yes and he sent his manuscripts to his publisher over the phone lines, probably an incredibly slow process given the average 1200 bps modem speeds of the 80s.
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>>43280976
Some laptops had swappable bays for CD drives or floppies as you needed them.
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>>43280970
I thought he was an Amiga user
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>>43280986
I saw one of those on Mr. Wizard and got an immediate boner for robots. Then I found out the hard way that commercially available "robots" weren't nearly as impressive.
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>>43266271
Personal Fav in img.

Also really loved Tomb Raider, and that one game where your characters hair is your primary weapon, using it for offence as well as swinging from obstacle to obstacle.

And Slaughter house from turbo Grafix 16
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>>43281038
>>>/vr/
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>>43280976
I have this Acer TravelMate 602TER laptop which is a Pentium III from 99-00. It has a port on the back that is either for a floppy or a docking station, but I'm not sure which.
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>>43281062
Read the OP faggot, this is a retro game/app thread.

OP even posted a tombraider Screenshot so retro game shots are welcome
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>>43281015
This was much earlier, like in 82-84 before the Amiga was around.
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>>43266532
You know, grandpa, that thing become old with time and that even windows 7 will become retro with time. You are not a special snowflake because you used a older OS than most people used.
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>>43279963
No wonder they have so many Super Class-A hackers over there
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>>43281037
My cousin had the one on the right, what a piece of shit. They weren't really programmable at all, just shitty r/c cars. The Big Trak was more of an actual robot than those things. I still wanted them though, the one pouring a drink was on the cover of the Best department store Christmas catalog one year.
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>>43281107
>responding to a troll from 17 hours ago
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>>43281164
>*20 hours ago
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>>43281099

not him but this is retrocomputing general, there's an entire board for games, OP just retardedly posted a game screenshot for some reason

I don't really give a fuck if you post about it though, it's mostly just a precaution more than anything
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>>43278605
CED (Cygnus Editor) tool of leet ASCII artists back in the day and coders.
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ruled the shit out of experimental challenge in physics olympiad with this badboy.
it can store up to 10 BASIC programmes 6kb total!
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/???????????_??-85
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>>43279801
>They even made a spectrum clone in 1998!
my dad soldered one by hand with help of recipe found in popular electronics magazine in like 88th. that wasn't an unpopular way to obtain one.
//slav here
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>>43281307
Do you have any questions memorised or solutions saved over the years?
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>>43281307
>Russian physics olympiad
Sounds hardcore
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>>43281463
>Sounds hardcore

It was. Pic related, it's me. I didn't even make it to the finals.
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>>43281529
I made it to the finals of Math olympiads in my country once, just to fail miserable and get like 3 point out of 30
I can only imagine how hard Russian olympiads must be
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>>43281463
>>43281417
not really hardcore except for some unique problems on national round ('coffin' is slang term for these).
here is one seriously fucked-up (getting 'right' answer is pretty improbable)
//fixed machine translation

Planet 'Killer Whale' in constellation of Tau Ceti is the same size as the Earth, and consists of an incompressible liquid substance whose density is 800 kg/m3. Length of a day on this planet is 10 hours. North Pole is oriented towards the Earth. One night the inhabitant of the planet whale "Whale" floated to the surface in the Northern hemisphere at latitude 56 °, to admire the starry sky. Find the angle between the horizon at the point where Vale has surfaced, and the direction to the Earth (its average density of 5500 kg/m3, the radius of 6400 km). Throughout the constellation of Tau Ceti latitude point is the angle between the radius drawn to it from the center of the planet, and the plane of the equator. Answer should be rounded to the nearest integer.
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>>43281794
Is this the right track?
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>>43280000
I remember using NT 4 in the early 2000s when all I could use as a computer was an HP Brio. I was given a Windows NT 4 disk after a friend's father had upgraded his computers for Windows 2000 and didn't need them anymore so like the poorfag teenager I was used it religiously until I could get a more modern desktop. Ever since experiencing how stable it was I never found a reason to go back to the 9x line as NT was able to handle the programs I used on it despite half of it being DOS-based.

I still have that Brio and NT 4 disk, I used it recently to setup an emulator.
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>>43281529
Is that really you?
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>>43282563
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>>43282581
The first laptop with a built-in mouse.
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>>43282852
The beginning of the end
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>>43282884
How so?
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>>43282918
The cancer of Mac laptops began. Every faggot Starbucks hipster with his MacBook can be traced back to that original PowerBook.
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>>43282581
The forever story of Macs. Beautiful machines, but totally useless.
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>>43282959
And I suppose the cancer of every faggot shitposter like yourself can be traced back to Gutenberg's movable type press
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>>43283043
That's why they're perfect for "artists"
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>>43282959
GRRR

Inanimate technological objects make me really really angry >:(
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>>43282918
The carpal-crushing design of the keyboard being moved away from the front edge of the laptop spawned here.
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>>43283189
What is that doing running homoOSeX?
If that is your laptop you should install OS 9.2.2.
>>43282377
I'm surprised I have never heard of the HP Brio line until this, can you post some pictures maybe?
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>>43283189
It's not them, but what they symbolize.
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>>43283835
>If that is your laptop you should install OS 9.2.1
9.2.2 is just an update for classic mode under OS X, and I've heard that it breaks some shit on native systems.
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>>43283283
>those IIGS keycaps
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THIS.
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>>43284811
epic
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I'm not sure this is the right place to ask this, but here I go. The oldest machine I have right now is a Pentium 3 Compaq Ipaq desktop with an i815 chipset. It's a sff with no expansion slots for graphics or sound cards. I recently installed Windows 98SE and all drivers. My question is what period games and software would you guys recommend that would play well on the IGP? Any recommendations? I have good memories of MS Flight Simulator, does anyone know what version would work best? Thanks
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>>43283043

My 150 will run just about anything the equivalent win 3.x systems I have will and do it OK

The 150 was still a woeful piece of shit compared to real powerbooks though, especially because of the lack of an ADB port.
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>>43285220
All the Id games up to Q3 should run fine on there.
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>>43285220

i815 was complete garbage but you can probably pull shit from 1997-8 and before moderately OK
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>>43284471

what do they symbolize? 68k-era macs are very, very different from the post 1998 era most of you guys get hilariously autistic about
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>>43285317
Read old Usenet posts. People sperged out about all eras of Macs.
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>>43285264
>>43285273
Is there a good resource or chart somewhere that lists Windows games by year?
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>>43285379
Mobygames
/v/s recommended games wiki
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>>43285379
check out dosgames
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>>43285391
>>43285414

Perfect, thanks. I wasn't really much of a gamer back then, all I ever really remember using back then was Office 97.
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>>43285353

Now that I think about it, I feel quite retarded.

Still, the way people react to anyone who posts even 68k hardware in these threads is fucking golden, and also sad.
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>>43285472
Apple is fucking genius with their product image and I wonder how they kept it for this long. They have a religiously loyal fanbase and the haters can't stop talking how much they hate them, free advertising from both camps.
I love reading comments on tech sites in completely unrelated articles, and you see somebody posting about "Apple will sue this company for ..."
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>>43284781
I would love to have one of those, but I already have a TNT2 Pro. Thinking about getting a couple of voodoo2s instead. Something to use my PCI slots for. Passing the picture through a Voodoo2 would degrade the picture I guess, so a single Voodoo3 3000/3500 would be better.

A 5500 would be nice, but those are a little expensive.
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>>43285581
That's the reason I purchase it from Japan, anon.
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>>43285220

I had one of those shits, the i815 chip set wiped the floor with the i810 in terms of performance, that said unless you have 1ghz or higher low Res software rendering for everthing
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>>43285677
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>>43285581
ha, I have a 5500 in PCi.

It's somewhere on my garage.
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>>43278286

Ok. I'm a little late to that party.
But can we seriously not use a fucking reaction image without some Reddit faggot bursting into the thread and screaming "muh maymays muh rules shitpost shitpost!"

What the fuck man?

Can we just start banning people that say "maymay"? Please? It's NEVER used to contribute to a thread.

I'm sorry for the off topic. I'm just sick of seeing this garbage on every board.
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>>43286426
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>>43286426
>responds to a 9 hour old post
>because it doesn't contribute to the thread

>doesn't contribute to the thread

you have a filter, dipshit. put maymay in it. thanks for posting.
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>>43282581
I love the look of this machine, but those arrow keys look annoying.

I mean it's quite nice having the keyboard look so neat since they're not stacked oddly, but they look like any "up down left right" movement via keyboard would have you hitting the wrong keys by instinct.
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>>43286560
Not a Vim user, I take it?
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>>43285220
Try Flight-Simuator 98. If it works okay, maybe look into 2000.

I don't think you'll get 2002 working acceptably.
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>>43286611
FS 2002 needs a 233Mhz CPU and 32MB of video memory. It also requires a 3D card while the older versions do not.
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>>43266271
>recommending /vr/ for help with emulation when there is an entire emulation general on /vg/
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>>43286711
Does 2000 need a 3D card?
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>>43286711
32MB of main system RAM I mean (VRAM requirements are 8MB)
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>>43275126
>http://yoyofr92.free.fr/ljp/

Thanks. I've seen the first link and tried to download some applications from there in the past. I've also tried some stuff form piratebay but there's far too few.
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>>43286761
The Professional Edition does, the basic edition doesn't.
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>>43283835
The HP Brio was a small form factor desktop aimed at the casual computer market. It usually came with an Intel Celeron and the bare minimum of memory. All it was good for was using Office (Word processing, spreadsheets, ect), e-mail/internet, light gaming and anything of the sort.

The model I had specifically was a BA400. If I recall correctly it used a Celeron 500 and had 64MB of RAM (Which I upgraded to 256MB when PC66 RAM dropped heavily in price) and a 10GB HDD. Despite it's limitations I loved using it and had no problems whatsoever (Thanks to NT 4). I will get it out when I have the time tomorrow. It's hard to find good pictures of it so here is what I could find.

>>43285248
I'm trying to restore two Powerbook 150s but from the look of it Apple decided to get cheap on the hinges as they dried out very easily and I'm having a real hard time getting them lose again. Sadly both of them have dead pixels on over an 1/8th of the screen.
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Is there any good software for NT4 that can mount .iso files?
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>>43287870
Daemon Tools Lite 3.47
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windows 98 or 95? which has a better aesthetic?
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>>43288462

Aesthetically they are literally the same, except Win95 explorer without updates is annoying as shit when you're used to newer versions.
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Is there a collector's market for retro computer parts? I have a Western Digital Caviar 2250 256 MB hard drive and there's people paying upwards of $200 for this outdated drive. How do I know if mine's worth anything? And how would I go about finding someone who'll pay me that much for one.
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>>43267166
I have the exact same box, with a voodoo 3 3000. I'm gonna install Redguard and mechwarrior
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>>43285581
step it up sempai, I have a rage pro, tnt2, and a voodoo 3 3000.
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>>43285220
>i815
garbage, it probably uses SDRAM
at least the optiplexes have AGP
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>>43288726
If it still works and has minimal dead sectors (preferably none) then it's worth big bucks.
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What can i do with a compaq presario 1255?
128mb
4gb hd
k6-2 450mhz

I play old games like Quake1, Doom, Mech Warrior, etc etc.
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>>43288462
I think I prefer Windows 95. Spatial file managers are pretty damn sexy. The "everything is the internet" aspect of Windows 98 ruins it for me.
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>>43288726
>woman on top
>men spreadeagled
you are doing it wrong beta-boy
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Reminder there are a large number of /retro/ computer magazines available at: https://archive.org/details/computermagazines
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>>43288994
That's what I'd do with it. Looks like the k6-2 cpus are pretty compatible when it comes to game. It can be underclocked easily, so they have great compatibility with older speed sensitive games. Quake and Doom have no trouble with fast computers tho.

Should be decent enough for later Win9x games too.
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>>43288994
If you like racing games, I suggest POD
>>43290288
>wanting to stare at a man's ass
>fukin queer
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>>43293874
Windows gaming didn't get serious before DirectX.
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>>43293907
They had WinG before that.
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I like small, pre-1996 computers. Any ones that I should look into that aren't prohibitively expensive from an European PoV?
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>>43293907
The Windows 3.x GDI was too limiting and never really intended for gaming.
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>>43293972
In the latter part of the Windows 3.x era (94-95), 256-color support was becoming the norm. Some software like Photoshop could even use 16 million colors.
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>>43294444
Nice quads.
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>>43294444
I love laptops with full-size-keys.

It's just so pretty.
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>>43294444
Also produced in an 8086 and a 386 model. These had dual-scan CGA displays (from a programming standpoint, it's 640x200, but the extra scanlines are filled in to "increase" vertical resolution)
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>>43294588
The 386 model has problems running Windows in Enhanced Mode because the CGA driver doesn't get along with that dual-scan display.
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>>43294444
>ceiling is at 16Mhz
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>>43294764
Yeah, it was a program written in 1986 as you can clearly see.
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I have this game "The California Raisins" that throws up the message "Wow, you mst be rich" if it detects a PC over 12Mhz.
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>>43281794
>>43282373
34?
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I looked up these things on a whim.

They're like 10 bucks on eBay now.

I still remember lusting over spending a grand on one, imagining how awesome it would be to up my sad old 500mhz P3 rig to 1.4ghz or more.

Although I'm sort of glad I didn't spend the shitload of money now lol

I don't even have the P3 box anymore but now I kind of want to just buy one and frame it or something...
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>>43295358
All that money spent on a thumping 800Mhz CPU so you could run the local bank's COBOL accounting software from 1985.
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>>43295358
What is the advantage? Wouldn't a socket 370 mobo + cpu be the same price or cheaper than futzing with a slot 1 mobo?
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>>43295475
You can even still run that shit on 64-bit motherboards.
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>>43266271
Relevant: http://livingcomputermuseum.org/vcf/
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>>43295522

After you've dumped money on a Slot 1 board + CPU? nooooope
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