Allowed and encouraged: Sinclair, Acorn, Commodore, Amstrad, PCs after they became decent (so, Windows 3.1 and up), Apple machines prior to OS X
Allowed: Pre-multimedia PCs
Not allowed: PCs or Macs made after 2000
>Yeah, I'll have to try shoving some more RAM in it later, but I can't remember if it took proprietary SIMMs or not.
Not proprietary, just picky about memory specs since they have to match the built-in 2MB (80ns & with parity).
The L40SX has 2 slots for 72-pin SIMMS, so you can feed it 2x8MB.
>80ns & with parity
It's also picky about height (max 1") and power draw from the modules. It's actually probably better to install 70ns parts since they'll still run at 80ns and draw less power while doing so.
>you may not necessarily need parity RAM if the BIOS has an option to disable parity checking
I don't recall that it does. The anon with one can probably confirm.
>using the lame, truncated exclusive OP pasta yet again
>PCs after they became decent (so, Windows 3.1 and up)
why.png, I like me some 90s shit but I want to see more 8088-286 and exotic hardware in these threads rather than shit we discuss by default anyway
fug sake use the pasta in
now for the non-autism
derp, should have figured it was 2 MB onboard
Were these things just straight 72-pin? That's bretty nice. I didn't get a good look at the RAM slots while I was replacing the hard drive since I was in the zone.
pic vaguely related, all the drives I went through before I found a working one. fuck Conner.
IBM was insisting on high-quality 72-pin SIMMs by this time in all of their products for reasons I can't recall. I think even my PS/2 Mod 70 that rolled out of the factory in August 1989 had them.
I remember using punch cards to develop programs and such in college. It was a real pain especially in my senior year where I accidentally bumped a teacher down the hall and I spilled my box of punch cards all over the floor and they came way out of order, I was so scared I vomited violently that my entire year's work had been ruined in such a small time, luckily I had remembered in my notebook to write the order of the beginning punches to 10 digits, so not all was lost but a few of my cards had the same configuration, about 5 or so. What happened later was hours of trying combinations of these 5 cards to get into the right order. Mostly waiting due to the fact the computer reading my cards would take forever to run it.
Welcome: Windows 1.x-3.x/9x/NT, MS/PC-DOS, OS/2, Classic Mac OS 1-9, Amiga, 8-bit home systems, CP/M, Legacy Unix platforms, anything pre-1999 you can possibly think of
Tolerated: Windows 2000, Windows Me, OS X on PowerPC systems, GNU/Linux (relating to retro hardware)
Tolerated, but discouraged: Retro consoles (there's /vr/ for that guys), DOS game emulation (/vr/)
pls go: XP, OS X on Intel systems
Everyday until people stop trying to truncate the OP.
>I spilled my box of punch cards all over the floor and they came way out of order,
There are these things called "sorters". Usually the IBM 081 or 082. Easy to operate as long as you remember to sort in the right order.
I call bullshit on your story.
>Allowed and encouraged: Sinclair, Acorn, Commodore, Amstrad, PCs after they became decent (so, Windows 3.1 and up), Apple machines prior to OS X
fuck you. ATARI master race here. respect nigga
>tfw out of ideas
What else non-game software should I install?
also really wishing I had a 387SX-20 right now
This is the TRUE AND HONEST op post. People keep trying to edit it. (Which'd be cool if they just broadened it to give more detail such as giving examples of 8-bit systems, but every edit so far has removed more than it has added.)
(also, Amiga would come under commodore in OP's list)
Incidentally, have you seen the deathbed vigil?
Pretty depressing seeing the last day of commodore.
I got an Amiga 1200 just a few days ago for free!
Today I spent a good half-hour trying to format a floppy on my XP box so I can copy files back and forth to my Amiga. I got it to work and I ran the boing ball animation.
I can't wait until I get my CF adapter...
You can now sleep tonight. Everything is fine.
I only said "truncate", I have no issue with additions.
I'm just sick of people trying to remove systems, either because they miss them out, or because they have a petty personal grudge against them.
abridged OPs are always shit, at least this guy didn't have an autistic grudge against 68k systems this time
most of the other generals have bretty consistent and well put-together OPs and these threads don't even have consistent titles and they usually omit systems that the detailed one covers for no reason
>tfw interested in getting an old computer with the latest version of DOS, and playing a bunch of pirated DOS games on it
>tfw not sure if its worth it but the idea of it sounds like a real experience
You can always sell it for what you paid for it when you're done with it.
Hipsters and resellers charge way too much for their old computers I guess, but you should be able to find a freebie in someones attic, or a few bucks in some store or garage sale.
>tfw out of ideas
>also really wishing I had a 387SX-20 right now
I don't think the L40 can fit a math coprocessor and in any case, I doubt you'll ever find an occasion to use one.
Also plug an external monitor into it so we can see what that Windows color scheme looks like.
>Today I spent a good half-hour trying to format a floppy on my XP box so I can copy files back and forth to my Amiga
What!? No way can a PC read Amiga disks. Very different disk format.
so my PC/XT boots to Basic and I don't know if it's because the HDD is broken or just because it's empty
I don't have a floppy i can boot from, so how can I use the Basic to see if the HDD is connected/being recognized?
PS: I'm the guy who posted a couple of days ago about the XT not booting up, turns out it was a blown tantalum cap on the MB
I have a Macintosh SE (2 Floppy Drive model), with only a keyboard (no mouse).
It will only read 800 K floppies that I can't write.
I want to interact with it / load software on to it.
I was thinking about building a serial interface, but realised the Mac doesn't have any software to connect with on it already.
I found like 100 old BYTE magazines from the 70's-80s in my attic, I have yet to go through them all but want to eventually scan all the covers.
It can't be that hard to get some newer components into these machines and peripherals. The 810 Disk drives could be gutted for a Slot loader optical and run down a USB or eSata right?
>10 def seg=64
>20 print peek(117)
so my drive is fucked apparently
not surprising after 20 years in storage
it does spin though, and the light is on
thanks for the help, anon
This is pretty cool, I have an amiga 500 sat up in the attic that burnt out, it's past repair.
You think it'd be easy to take a dremel to it and fit an ITX motherboard in there? Similar to the C64x? I miss that heft on my desk.
If he doesn't have any DOS disks for his XT, plenty can be found on Fleabay.
Why can't I find anything about Canon InnovaBooks? There doesn't seem to be any resources on them, not even a list of models on wikipedia. Nor does it seem that any has been sold on ebay recently.
This was released for the Mac 128 but will work on System 7 (but requires a patch to do so)
They also ported Archon for the 128, but that can't work on anything but the earliest Macs since it reads the mouse directly instead of using the ROM routines (this was pre-ADB)
Bubble Bobble also is an example of a game that does this, although unlike SAC it does run on 8086s and supports CGA/Tandy.
The original Sim City. This is unique in being one of the few commercial games to use EGA 640x350 mode. It also supports CGA/Tandy and VGA monochrome mode (also very unusual)
>VGA monochrome mode (also very unusual)
You mean VGA Mode 11. That's not that unusual considering the game was ported from the Mac and it would have been very easy to convert the graphics for that mode.
The EGA/VGA modes (excluding Mode 13) are all more-or-less identical from a programming standpoint - the only difference is in the size of the graphics planes which vary from 8 to 64k depending on the mode used.
They have a reputation of being a bitch to program, but Mode 11 is actually pretty easy since there's only two planes and you can just set one of them to the "active" window and write to it while leaving the second one blank.
Remember: You can set the two available colors to anything you like (the default being black and white)
>They have a reputation of being a bitch to program
Any planer display mode is a bitch to deal with. Which is one of the reasons the Amiga had a hard time adapting to the brave new world of 1st person games in the 90's
>involves having a second FDD and (I suspect) some magic.
It worked for me on a floppy that wasn't "copy-protected", on XP.
Everything else failed, also you need a FDC which can handle 2 drives as external ones won't work as you need to load a special driver.
One thing I never understood is why the lower modes still require you to bank-switch the planes out and you can only access one at a time. Modes F and 12 use 128/256k, but the rest are smaller and should all be able to fit into the A000 segment.
Well I just got a Clamshell iBook. I don't know what to do with it (or where to put it), kind of just impulse bought it. It's pretty neat though. I'm impressed with the mint condition it was in, the box still has the foam in it.
As someone who grew up in the era, I have no fucking clue why everyone was obsessed with computers being able to make graphs back then. Thumb through any magazine and it was countless photos of displays with graphs, ads for graphs, hardware that supported more colors for more graphs. I know that computerized books were the killer app for most offices but come on.
Too bad Mac's in B/W
Amiga Master Race
Everyone knows that by 1984, you could get a Hercules card on your PC if you wanted business graphics in more resolution as well (720x348 versus the Mac's 512x384)
>I saw an Atari 800XL at a goodwill recently. It didn't have a power cord and they were asking like $50 for it, I passed.
that's about right, actually. i paid $40 for a 400 recently from craigslist from a guy that was asking $60.
ebay is the worst because everything is overpriced. craigslist can be better because at least you get to haggle, but there is still the same mentality of "if it's old then it's valuable".
This was part of an entire multi-page advertisement spread; I've seen the whole thing and some of the claims made in there are hilarious, like trying to justify the Mac's lack of a numeric keypad or function keys or the absence of hard disk storage.
Here is a typical example of local Craigslist people that make me crazy, I just want to troll the fuck out of this guy:
>A Compaq Presario 700 is for sale! It is collector`s PC ready for a new home!
>The computer runs Windows XP natively.
>Tire Kickers are prohibited, as well as low ballers and clowns. Sale is NON-OBO!
In other words, I have a piece of shit of laptop which I will sit on forever because I am unwilling to negotiate as I have declared it a "vintage collector's piece".
It's got a 387SX socket and I've actually found a couple programs that would use one, too.
The L40SX is pretty much just a Model 40 SX lazily stuffed into a massive laptop case.
I don't think there's any better way for a business machine to demonstrate color/graphics ability.
>home computers were all about muh games
>business PCs were all about muh graphs
>workstations were all about muh CAD
>macintoshes were all about muh publishing
There was a guy selling an IBM PS/2 Model 30 for $100 on craigslist awhile back. He said it worked, so I scheduled to meet with him (planing on offering him ~$50)
Arrive at a cleared out office/lobby place, talk with him and he brings me out to a non-airconditioned warehouse (IN FUKING FLORIDA), shows me the PS/2 and it is absolutely filthy. (Floppys are all thrown into moldy a plastic Publix bag, that THE PRINTER WAS LAYING ONTOP OF! I pile everything on an old A/V cart, and bring it into the lobby. I hook it up to test it, switch it on... Nothing. Not even a beep. He starts acting like "well it worked before!". I offer him $20, and he says he won't go lower than $100. I walk out.
I hate people like that.
you didn't miss out, I only have a Model 30 because I'm collecting PS/2s, it just feels gimped as fuck and also the 720K drive means I can't just go out and buy disks from staples or whatever for it anymore
Mostly shareware physics/space sims (and lotus), and it's pretty cheap to get one, too.
Thing takes for fucking ever to render the wireframe models one of the sims I installed on it uses.
>it just feels gimped as fuck and also the 720K drive means I can't just go out and buy disks from staples or whatever for it anymore
1.44MB disks usually will work if formatted to 720k.
AFAIK there's little-to-no difference in the actual drive mechanism on 720k and 1.44MB drives, it's mainly the controller and media type. Whereas 5.25" DD drives can't use 1.2MB media at all due to the heads lacking sufficient electromagnetic current.
If you format 1.44MB disks at 720k, you have to remember to tape over the hole or the drive will think it's 1.44MB (if you're using it in an actual 720k drive such as found on the PS/2 25/30, this is unnecessary)
actually haven't had many issues with the software capabilities, pretty much just a fast XT and it will run just fine if you respect that quality of it.
I don't know, I think it was worth the $20 I paid for it but I wouldn't pay $50 for one. Maybe I'm just a jew. I would rather have a Model 55SX over a 30 any day.
Oh, yes, I remember this trick now.
I had that exact model (OP pic: CPC-464) with a green monochrome screen as my first computer. My dad upgraded me to a CPC 6128D with colour screen a bit later on.
The first machine I paid for myself was my good old Amiga A1200-40. Purchased it around 1993 or 94 and loved the shit out of it for years.
Probably looks like arse now, but remember this is a time before a windows PC could do more than one thing at a time without having an aneurysm.
Being a commie who sold almost all his collection these days is torture. I'll just never get some of the things I had before but even bog standard shit has gotten ridiculously priced. Then of course you have to deal with chiptards stripping SIDs out of perfectly working machines and then tossing them. Used to see them in the want ads constantly for cheap. Now they hardly come up on craigslist and when they do it's idiots wanting $hundreds for a bunch of trash. C64 family is the most produced computer of all time but you'd never know it now.
Both are actually pretty easy to find, a lot of MCA system collectors have archives of every ref disk on their websites.
MCA cards can either be fuck all expensive or quite cheap on Ebay, too.
>tfw I don't really have the time to do something with it
>Complete multitasking in 256k of ROM on first release
>video & graphics support blew out PC cards, Mac was still black and white
>Full stereo audio out of box
>Expanded to max 8Mb of RAM
Those were the days. Signed, former A1000 and A2500 owner.
My dad said he used to write BASIC programs on his Atari 800 to draw graphics shapes using trigonometric functions. It was so slow that the programs could sometimes take 30 or more minutes to execute.
I have a working ps/2 model 50z (not the one pictured), though just the base unit and there's no working hard drive so all I can do is boot and run off single floppies but any ol keyboard and vga will work fine. Only retro machine I have that works to any degree and was the first I ever had.
My best friend wrote a character generation program for TSR's Marvel Super Heroes on one of those. It worked perfectly. We printed the character sheets on his thermal printer =D
To this day I can't believe he slogged though all that data entry
One of only two 286 Microchannel systems IBM ever produced, bretty gud.
Here's a couple replacement hard disks if you have $40-$50 to blow
I'm running a Model 70 myself, same case but it uses a 386DX-16 rather than a 286 like yours.
>implications that anyone over 19 would waste their time on this shithole
You can fool some of the people some of the time and you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can never fool all of the people all of the time.
That and MCA IDE cards used a nonstandard type of IDE interface (but adapters to connect normal IDE were made).
Thus, if you can find a super-rare MCA IDE card and a super-rare MCA -> ATA adapter, you're good.
Weren't the later lower-end Microchannel boxes IDE? Or were they using integrated controllers?
I couldn't imagine they'd be super-rare, since people would spend a shitload of money on those systems and going IDE was the only way for people using aging ESDI hardware.
C64 had Jumpman aka the most aggravating game ever
I can still remember the sound effects of failure
Shamus is perhaps more aggravating. Although few things are as horrible as Jumpman's Freeze level.
apple IIe because i can. i dont have a startup disk so i have no idea if it works. also i have an old aftermarket crt monitor
I heard about minitel for the first time the other day (not french) and I heard they produced almost 10 million terminals, have anyone here seen one or owned one?
I suppose this wouldn't count as retrocomputing, would it?
The TMS1000 microcontroller was the first device I ever programmed.
I still want a source for Eric legitimately using a (presumably severely outdated) commodore Amiga in 2014.
Even an AmigaOne would seem esoteric, but if he's legitimately using something shipped out of a factory that closed before half of 4chan was born... that's so esoteric as to be incredibly respectable, Particularly since the modern web can fuck a system from 7 years ago, let alone 20.
Remember, you asked for this.
>This website created and designed by Eric W. Schwartz ©2014. HTML files and web graphics created using Amiga computers and software.
I know, anon, I'm >>43264371
Those two models were onboard IDE anyway, no cards. Just wanted to see if there actually were any, most were SCSI though.
Do you know the specs? Is it complete?
This is what the whole US looked like in the 70's sport
The Apple ][ / Monitor /// combo was actually extremely common at the time. I can't recall if the Monitor /// preceded the execrable Apple /// or was released at the same time.
Is there anything to suggest he uses it for daily work/computing, or am I left only knowing he still makes a comic with it?
I mean the latter is still impressive dedication to old hardware, but it's not the crazy-brilliant level [spoiler]that only Amiga makes [/spoiler]possible.
I don't know if it's been modified, but the side has a sticker:
Intel 486SLE 33 Mhz
260 MB HDD
"MS-DOS and Windows pre-loaded", Versions unknown
Included is a power cable and the hard drive, which is external.
>mfw when I was able to pick up an NIB, still-sealed ImageWriter II on eBay a few months ago for under $100
Well then I did fine, we accepted $25. Only problem is the 30 minute drive I have to take. Whatever, I don't have a laptop older than 2000 yet so it'll be a good add. Also I like the look of it.
> Apparently the creator of byte
> magazine was a francis e dec
> level schizo. He only died last
Wayne Green. Created a shitload of magazines over the years. He was always idiosyncratic and notorious for his editorials on all sorts of topics that would invariably take up anywhere from 3 to 10 pages of every issue, but he never really turned into a full-on Alex Jones-level nutcase until the last ten years or so, when he was pretty much totally retired and just rambling on his blog.
autists like you are just shitting up these threads with meaningless bullshit nobody cares about, I'm here to talk about retro hardware and help people, not listen to whether or not some guy really had shag carpet during his childhood
>why does the keyboard fold to cover the CRT?
No idea, this one has qwertz and a "slide" keyboard
>I thought Minitel was early e-mail/SMS over POTS
according to what I've read it started as a phone directory (the phone company lent the terminals) and then it sprawled into other services (mail retail, ticket reservations, message boards, stock, etc)
> I heard about minitel for the first
> time the other day (not french)
> and I heard they produced almost
> 10 million terminals, have anyone
> here seen one or owned one?
What do you mean by "not French", that you're not French or you're asking about Minitel use outside of France (which was quite small)?
I've never seen one in person, but they became standard in most French homes in the 80s because the government-run phone company decided it would be better (read: they could make money off it) by no longer publishing phone books and thus forcing everyone to get a Minitel if they ever wanted to look up a phone number.
IIRC, phone number lookups were free, but nothing else was. Almost all other content (which sort of fell somewhere between the UK's Ceefax and the US's CompuServe) was actually kind of on the expensive side, so the whole thing collapsed rather rapidly once the Internet became available to home users.
I know you can still buy tractor-feed paper because dot matrix printers are still used in retail, I guess I'll just go to staples some time later this week or something and check it out.
Then I could actually use my Plus for some productive shit.
I was at Staples the other day and they had a bunch of ribbons for assorted ancient printers like the Epson LQ-850 and IBM ProPrinter, but I didn't see any tractor paper anywhere.
Yea I'll take some good pics. I really can't find any uploaded documentation about this line of laptops, usually there is at least one collector that archives that stuff. For fun I just called Canon support to see if they had any product information about it, but the woman couldn't help me.
Early IBM-branded printers were just rebadged Epsons. Most went to government sales because retailers preferred other, more profitable printer brands.
There are all I could find, and I'm sure you've seen the first one:
seems like a bretty good mid-range subnotebook for 1994, you'll have to find the bubble jet printer that goes with them as well.
Stiill looking for one of those for my XT for maximum autism.
> Do you know if you can still
> buy paper for these things from
> office supply stores? I don't
> know much about dot matrix printers
> or if they use varying standards
> of paper ;_;
Yeah, you can. I procured a box at the same time I got the printer, but I'm totally drawing a blank as to where I bought it. I THINK I had to order it online from Amazon, but it was a huge box that'll probably last me several years.
In any case, the ImageWriter uses regular 8 1/2 x 11 paper (which actually tends to be listed as "9 x 11" or something like that because it includes the feeder holes on both sides that you tear off after printing), which was pretty much the "standard issue" dot-matrix printer paper, so while you'll have to pay more today than back in the day since there's less of it being produced, it's still out there, at least for now.
(Also, like modern printers, you can adjust the guides to take thinner paper widths, like if you wanted to print postcards or something, but 8.5/9 is about as wide as it can handle.)
I saw the first one but not the second one, thank you that was helpful. Still, with other old computers someone has uploaded the manual, reference disks, etc. It must have been an unpopular laptop. I asked the seller if he had anything else but he didn't.
I think I actually have two reams of that shit from a random panasonic printer I got with a Compaq Presario 433. Excellent.
I think it was just another 486 laptop since there were a lot of them at the time, you might be able to get setup disks from vogons or vintage computer forums if someone else is running one.
it's a general, sometimes you might want to use a trip if you know about something specific that others might want to ask you about and the like
why do people get so butthurt about it? I've literally seen no trip shitposting or hostility, it's usually autistic anons that ignore their post entirely, muttering something about "added to the filter" when one of them asks a question
You don't have to bump threads every five minutes.
You mother fucking piece of fucking shit, Qbert is the best character. Stop being a fucking snake. Name a pc game from the 90's better than qbert. I fucking dare you. None. There were none. Qbert was the leading edge in 3d isometric graphics. He was 3d before microstuff even implimented directx. Mother fucker was 3d at a hardware level, and you're going to talk shit? The nigga's engine was assembly. Fuck you and your stupid fucking opinion you fucking snake. You don't know shit about pc games or development. Qbert was designed by a team of top developers in order to bring the best experience in a pc game possible and it did. No game brings the hours of fucking fun or replayability that qbert does. Everygame since then has been trying to emulate qbert. Do you know that qbert was the first game ported to opengl and directX. qbert was a strandard unix command for over seven years. Qbert fucking defined a generation and you're sitting here shit talking a god. I'm tired of all you mother fucking snakes.