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>Im considering CS as a major. And i'd like to ask a few questions.

Are you happy with your life?

What is your age and annual income/salary?

How many hours do you work weekly?

Where do you live?
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>Are you happy with your life?
No, but that's not related to my job.
>What is your age and annual income/salary?
31, 138k.
>How many hours do you work weekly?
Around 55
>Where do you live?
New York
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No
21yr making 62k
80 hours a week
South africa
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>Are you happy with your life?
I fucking hate myself and want to die. CS is the only source of joy in my life.
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>>43058170
Yep: tfw you get paid to study
23, 18keuros (still a telecommunication engineering student) with no taxes
35h
Paris, France
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>>43058239
interesting.
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>>43058223
are there open positions there? please
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>>43058285
French people get paid to study, the more you know.
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>>43058170
Fuck no.

People keep telling you that we need more computer "scientists"

What they don't tell you is that the vast majority of available jobs is being a codemonkey.

Do you want to develop mobile dating apps, webapps or internal financial management shit over and over again?

Just look up available CS jobs and ask yourself if you want to do that for the rest of your life
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>>43058305
Yeah I'm in Apprenticeship. My job pay me and also pay my (expensive) school.

It's really advantageous when you consider that the salary in France are very low compared to other developed countries.
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>>43058170
It's a highly volatile market and it attracts the "low hanging fruit" of the engineering departments. If you go into CS be extremely proficient at it and work harder than your peers.

It might also help if you major in CS and minor in a core engineering field. Like EE. The amount of time involved in both fields is relatively equal, but EE is far far more complex and a real test of your merit.
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>>43058293
No. I was lucky and one guy working here retired a few days before I had my interview. They hire as few of us as they need to.
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>>43058170
>Are you happy with your life?
No
>What is your age and annual income/salary?
27
~83.9k before taxes (not including bonuses)
>How many hours do you work weekly?
37.5
>Where do you live?
Oslo, Norway
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Im thinking of doing CE. It seems like the best of both worlds.
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>>43058170
>Are you happy with your life?
No.
>What is your age and annual income/salary?
23, still a CS student. Stuck on year two because I got lazy and shit's hard as fuck. Trying to get back into it atm but I'm starting to doubt myself.
>How many hours do you work weekly?
8, since I don't get the government's money for being in school because I didn't pass enough shit in college.
>Where do you live?
Sweden.
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>>43058170
No, but that's a different story
26, 110K
45-50
Alabama
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>>43058450
>shit's hard as fuck
Go back to womens studies we don't need you here.
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>>43058474
fuck u
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You should only go the CS route if you KNOW that you can score a position that doesn't use you as a programmer
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>>43058492
why would you not want to be a programmer?
>Serious question, does it really suck?

Also: What's the coziest job a CS major can realistically get when fresh out of school
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>>43058492
Than what would an optimal position for a CS student may be?
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>>43058420
Is 83k a good salary in Norway? i've heard that your country has an high cost of living.
>>43058450
Ganbatte, m8!
>>43058471
whoa awesome, you are living the dream ,man.
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>>43058527
*then
>>43058520
>Serious question, does it really suck?
what are you quoting? And no, it doesn't if you actually love what you are doing not just majoring in CS for the monieess.

I'm also not this guy>>43058492
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>>43058542
thanks, man. I will ganbatte!
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>>43058492
Programmer is what a CS graduate should be looking for, what are you talking about?
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>>43058520
Programming itself doesn't necessarily suck, it's more about WHAT you have to program

Developing a rendering pipeline? Yeah that's fun. but you'll never actually do that in real life


Programming yet ANOTHER database server backend ? The most mundane, trivial, repetitive and boring task imaginable

For some reason suits still think that programming is magic and requires some guy with a degree


>>43058571
>Programmer is what a CS graduate should be looking for,

Yeah no. Programming is just a tool, that's like saying a mechanic should become a screwdriver operator
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>>43058170
>Are you happy with your life?
Fuck no.
Stay away from CS. Don't consider it as a major.
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I want to have a decent job,get paid well, but also want to have plenty of time to enjoy life...
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>>43058615
>Yeah no. Programming is just a tool, that's like saying a mechanic should become a screwdriver operator
What the fuck? It's like saying a mechanic should be repairing cars. You learn all that theory wank so you can produce good code and make a good program.
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im a senior CS major right now, honestly it's kind of easy at my school. not that much coding right now. before i got accepted into the major (doing pre-reqs) it was a lot of programming which i didnt like. now its just discrete math and algorithm analysis.

im not sure if i want to actually program for a living, but i think CS is the best degree to have..IT and IS are just retarded tier
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>>43058648
>/g/ is for the discussion of technology and related topics.
inb4 feeding le troll
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>>43058664
I'm not familiar with the american CS education model. Did you happen to visit a community college?
Cause I'm talking about proper Computer Science, as in applied mathematics, not software engineering/developing, which is just a small part of CS
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>>43058664
no it's teaching a mechanic to work on a specific car rather than teach him how cars work (knowledge which can be applied to the majority of cars)

anyone can program without very much actual computer knowledge. you could probably code 90% of android apps in java without even learning about memory registers/etc. java doesnt require you to know very much.
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>>43058170

1. kinda. moar happy as the days go on
2. ~~~~~ still in school so doesn't matter
3. A LOT. CS is TIME CONSUMING. and you sit in front of a computer and think and code. And it's fun until you realize you have to do the same thing the next day and the day after that and the day after that and the day after that
4. WTF don't ask personal questions. AMERICA????
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>>43058702
>>43058716
Everyone needs to learn the theory, but saying you should get a CS degree only if you won't be programming is retarded, go get a math degree if you just want the theory and analysis, CS is a degree designed so you can take the theory and compute data with it, you need to program to do that.

If someone ever says "you shouldn't be programming with a CS degree" I'm positive their told this by some fancy uni that wants you to write another fantastic, but useless, paper on compiler theory so the Uni gets more recognition, but doesn't want you to actually get a job.
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I dont get it. Isnt every job repetitive and boring?
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90% of my time spent actually programming is trying to work out how to best implement something. it's not like you just go and wham bam 130 wpm and then you're done. programmers draw pictures (uml diagrams and similar) and shorthand code to try to make their implementations not retarded.

i only ever start coding once i already know how im going to do it
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>>43058783
I'm working as a janitor/handyman at a private school in Sweden during the summer.
It's hard work some days but I really like it because you get to do different shit almost every day and it feels good doing manual labor. Going to sleep after a day of exhausting work feels good man.

>tfw I'd drop out of CS and get into some manual labor profession if the pay wasn't total arse
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>>43058779
>Everyone needs to learn the theory, but saying you should get a CS degree only if you won't be programming is retarded,

I said you shouldn't get a CS degree if you'll be exclusively programming.
Using programming as a tool is what it's designed for while being a codemonkey is not a fulfilling life for most people. Yet most jobs will have you work as a codemonkey, making it a shit job, hence me telling the OP not to pursue a CS degree
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Any mechatronics guys here?
I want to study mechatronics in Germany.
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>>43058849
did you ever saw some student naked? Or had sex with a student?
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>>43058170
8/10
160 000 z?
40
Poland
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>>43058986
Oh, and I'm 40.
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>>43058866
well i definately dont want to spend 60% of my day being a code monkey
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No
22 74k
40
California
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>>43058799
this
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>>43059135
Are you working at a startup?
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I was doing CS, but the maths was too hard. I changed to Information Systems instead. I'm shit at programming.

How fucked am I?
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>>43059252
Feminist studies can still take you.
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>>43059252
There was literally no math in my CS courses. They made us take a bunch of math courses as prereqs but we never actually used anything complicated in the CS classes.
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>>43059282
I mean more for finding a job after my degree. I can do the course okay, with lots of copy-pasting from google. Don't really feel like I'm learning anything valuable though.
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>>43059252
Psych minor here

Unless you were born with some mental disability "too hard" is actually not a thing

Anybody can become a virtuoso in anything, it's just a matter of dedication and time. Prime example of this is clapton, he stopped playing guitar for a while because it was too hard for him until he pulled his shit together and actually dedicated his life to it
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>>43059216
Nope. Corporation (Global one)
I'm just entry level
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>>43059311
>I can pass if I steal code
You're fucked if you want a job writing code, if you end up in IT you'll be fine.
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>>43059315
Shit, thats... actually real motivating, anon. Thanks :)
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>>43058945
No. Dem swedish jailbaits tho...
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>>43059315
>psych major
>talking about math

top lel
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>>43059807
>>psych major
I said minor

But I'm sure you were just pretending
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>>43058648
Saved
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>>43059867
#REKT
What is your major, out of curiosity? Do you feel your minor was worth getting with your major?
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>>43060079
>Sag
>mfw
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>>43058305
Fucking frenchies and their first world country
why does the UK and the US have to be so shit? Do they hate progress?
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>>43058170
>Are you happy with your life?
Yes.
>What is your age and annual income/salary?
40. At my last job (I had no degree) I made over $90k.
>How many hours do you work weekly?
At my last job I worked 45-50 hours a week, including occasional late nights and weekends.
>Where do you live?
New York City

I was taking classes at night and making $90k. I knew layoffs were coming so I started interviewing. Everyone asked if I had a CS diploma. I said fuck it, I'll save up and stay here. I was laid off with severance and got unemployment. I went back to school full time and all started a small side business. I have one more year to go and I get my degree. My side business pulls in $400-$550 a week, but I'm used to making over 3 to 4 times that. At the end of next year I'll get my degree and look for work. I should be pretty set. Even if no one is biting I can work on my side business which makes me enough to buy ramen noodles.
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>>43058170
I've worked in IT for 20 years. I keep up with the newer technology, I'm doing Android programming now and it is high demand.

Some factors to consider:
* Salary and benefits
* Hours worked
* Do you enjoy coming to work...or is it a lot of stress, office politics, constantly changing demands, deadlines etc.
* Are you learning at your job more than you could elsewhere?

I was making a good salary working in finance but the hours, stress and office politics were not worth it. What I never understood were my co-workers in finance who put up with all that but without a big salary.

If it's an office you enjoy working in, with nice people, where you're learning and doing interesting work, maybe you have options and the company is growing (but people are usually oversold on that hype), and your hours are reasonable - in this case, it's not worth it to go somewhere else for $5000 more a year.

I worked at one company where I was making $92000 and they had us doing real grunt work once in a while. It was fine by me, if they want to pay me $45 an hour to do tech support phone calls, I'm happy to oblige. It's one of the reasons a high salary is important - if your'e too lowball, they can afford to give you shit work. If you're being paid six figures, usually (but not always) you'll be doing decent work.
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>>43061863
How many hours do you work weekly?
Do you have enough time to do stuff you like?
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>>43061724
>Are you happy with your life?
>Yes.
lel are you married? Sorry if its personal
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>>43061863
True that

I worked for Apple Corp where I was paid $2 Million USD it sucked doing grunt work
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>>43062036
>I was paid $2 Million USD
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God damnit I am underpaid.
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>>43062186
how many hours do ya work?
how much ya get paid
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>>43062264
>Are you happy with your life?
Yeah its alright.
>What is your age and annual income/salary?
22 / $55,000 per year
>How many hours do you work weekly?
40
>Where do you live?
NYC

I know I make an alright amount for someone who's still been out of college for less than a year but I am a good programmer and I didn't know how much to ask for when I was interviewing for jobs. I'm effectively a tech lead, and I'm getting paid a super jr salary.
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>>43061611
The pay in france is much lower than in the US/UK, but on the other hand, the studies are almost free (500€ / year on average), except some private schools and other rare cases.
Select what you want.
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>>43062381
>I know I make an alright amount for someone who's still been out of college for less than a year
Erm, not really. Isnt nyc cost of living damn high?
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>Are you happy with your life?
It's getting better, but it's unrelated to job.

>What is your age and annual income/salary?
28, 74k CAD

>How many hours do you work weekly?
45 hours tops

>Where do you live?
Toronto
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>>43058380

fugg I'm about to do EE, now you're scaring me ;_;
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>>43058450

Sweden
Yes
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should i do CE instead
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>>43063015
Don't be he just said, that you can do a CS degree more easily. If you can do your shit and you are good at it, then you can finish EE.
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>>43058170

yes
319k
50
Silicon Valley
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>>43063101
wow you're 319,000 years old???
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I hope I'm not too late.
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>>43063142

Oh woops I forgot age
24 here
Anyone else go to MIT?
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>>43058170
Are you happy with your life?
no, not related to career (IT)

What is your age and annual income/salary?
28, 40k

How many hours do you work weekly?
40

Where do you live?
illinois, fucking nowhere
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>>43063166
Grad or undergrad?
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>>43063173

Wow that's depressing
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>>43058542
>tells us that he's not happy with his life due to whatever reason
>whoa awesome, you are living the dream ,man.
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>>43062381
If you're making 55k in NYC you're getting screwed. You should be making 65k out of college if you are actually in the city
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>>43058542
>the dream ,man
> ,man
>strcpy(str1 ,str2);

Don't lie to us. You're that guy, aren't you?
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>>43063151
top kek.
I'm not doing CS anyway, I'm doing CE. I knew I should have done EE from the beginning. Am I fucked now?
Also nice bait.
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>>43063282
Do both you tard. They share so many courses in common.
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>>43063289
I would have to pay for my second degree. The only exception here is if you start your second degree before starting your second year of university. Then they count as one and the government pays for it.
Also at this university there is only CS,CE,ME,Phyiscs degrees. No separate EE.
So I'm fucked.
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>>43063220
i don't want to derail the thread, but the gist is that i'm stuck working for the family business. my college education is basically useless, and the company cannot pay me a salary that is normal for my duties.
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>>43063379
liberal arts, eh?
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>>43063397
ha, almost. i studied cartography and interned with the army corps of engineers after college and got an open invitation to come back as a full time employee. everything was great until the family business started to fail and they needed a rational person in the business to take care of things.
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>>43063173
>28, 40k
Do ya have a gf?
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>>43063436
Well, Good Luck.
Maybe you could go back to uni?
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>>43063436
>taking care of your family
I won't ever fault you for this one.
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>>43063483
i finished my undergrad. given the chance i would go back to the corps of engineers. the pay is good, and i would have lots of freedom to move around since it is the us government. i would go for more schooling if i wanted to work in the private sector...
although honestly, i think that cartography is a profession that doesn't need 6 years of school.

>>43063488
such is life, honestly.
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>>43063224
>>43063263
He is getting paid 110k at age 26, that guy should be happy . This is what i meant to say.
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>>43063577
Are you talking to me?
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>>43058170
>Are you happy with your life?
Yes
>What is your age and annual income/salary?
33 / $158k
>How many hours do you work weekly?
40
>Where do you live?
Atlanta
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>>43058232
62000 rand? I'm sorry.
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>>43063593
yes, mr. anonymous
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>>43058232
>21yr making 62k
>80 hours a week
slavery in 21 century
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>Are you happy with your life?
Pretty much. Not rich yet but I don't need to worry about money, that hits the sweet spot imo.
>What is your age and annual income/salary?
23 - $140K before taxes
>How many hours do you work weekly?
Varies from 20 to 60, averaging at 40
>Where do you live?
north west europe

>tfw colleagues keep making fun of your age
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>>43062381
>I am a good programmer
I've never met a programmer who said he wasn't
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>>43063693
why your colleagues make fun of you age?
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>>43063693
This >>43063782
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>>43063782
Because I make fun of them for being old, kek.
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>>43063822
do you have some female colleagues?
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>>43063847
Ouch, not on the team anyway. That would be a recipe for disaster though.
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>>43063847
>That would be a recipe for disaster though.
Erm, Why?
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Are you happy with your life?
Yes.
What is your age and annual income/salary?
532,000 after tax
How many hours do you work weekly?
30
Where do you live?
Highland park
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>>43063881
>making any references or inquiries to a female's age or weight at all
Enjoy your formal complaint
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>>43063855
Read>>43063881
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>>43063101
>>43063142
Not saying its aliums
but its aliums
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>>43063882
>532,000 after tax
>How many hours do you work weekly?
30
Dude, nobody know who you are, theres no need to lie
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>>43063882
532,000 mexican pesos!
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>>43058170
>Are you happy with your life?
I have next to no social life now that my friends here have all moved somewhere, but otherwise its alright.
>What is your age and annual income/salary?
28
Around $60K after tax
>How many hours do you work weekly?
35 to 40
>Where do you live?
Tokyo
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>>43063881
where do you studied and what are working right now?
im majoring in CS in ITESM, sometimes i get sad, I don't know if I am happy with this anymore.
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>>43063881

I lost all the screencaps after I accidentally my hard drive, but god damn 99% of women do not belong in any science/engineering/programming field and just make the 1% of women who are competent at it look bad.
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>>43063953
Is $60K considered a good salary in japan?
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>>43063959
Is that question directed at me, or the guy who posed the question? Someone here seems to have issues quoting the correct posts.
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>>43063953
Also, i think you are kind of lucky for having to work only 35-40 hours weekly, considering you live in tokyo.
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>>43058615
>The most mundane, trivial, repetitive and boring task imaginable
lol
seriously though, the first rule of programming it to never reinvent the wheel.
that shit's been done before in literally hundred's of languages already, find something premade that's close enough and adapt it to work for you
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>>43064054
>seems to have issues quoting the correct posts.
You r a funny motherfucker arent ya?
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>>43058799
>90% of my time spent actually programming is trying to work out how to best implement something. it's not like you just go and wham bam 130 wpm and then you're done. programmers draw pictures (uml diagrams and similar) and shorthand code to try to make their implementations not retarded.
>i only ever start coding once i already know how im going to do it

I'll take: What is "top down vs bottom up" for $500, Alex.
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>>43058170
Yes
33, 104K (why is this combined?)
40
Maryland


Also, strange that you did not include questions such as degree held, current job, etc.
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>>43064107
>Also, strange that you did not include questions such as degree held, current job, etc.
I forgot to add these, hehe
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>>43064054
sorry, the post was for
>>43063882
>>43063928
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>>43063918
I founded the most popular chain of restaurants in the highland park area
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>>43064160
>I founded the most popular chain of restaurants in the highland park area
Why would a rich guy browse on 4chan? If you were rich i'd be getting laid.
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>>43064231
>Why would a rich guy browse on 4chan? If you were rich you'd be getting laid.
>>43064160
whoops, fixed
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>>43064160
Tell me more pls
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>>43064034
For my age - yes, its higher than the average. I know a dude in his 30s who works for Hitachi and earns about half of what I do.

>>43064066
Unless you work for one of the traditional big corporations (Mitsubishi, Sumitomo, KDDI etc.) the work environment is not as bad as people make out to be. Although my company is somewhat more relaxed, since the CEO is a fan of the western work style.
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>>43064245
Not much to tell I'm afraid. Graduate from SMU with business degree. Borrow large sum of money from dad to open 4 star restaurant.
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>>43064231
Rich people are now known as having sex and also avoiding the Internet? Why haven't I learned this before today? I thought the rich use every part of the Internet.
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>>43058170

Out of curiosity, what is the highest level of education you guys have, diploma, associates or bachelors? Going to school this year for Cyber Security, changed from Criminal Justice
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>>43064740
I thought Tokyo was expensive as fuck. Do you live in a box?
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>>43058223
haha, this you are basically me
>Are you happy with your life?
No, but that's not related to my job
>What is your age and annual income/salary?
31, 250k (including bonus, stock etc.)
>How many hours do you work weekly?
Around 55
>Where do you live?
New York
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>>43065252
Correction around 45 hours per week
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>>43065222
By american standards - probably. Housing is stupid expensive here. The other things are priced on par with most other places I've lived in.
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>>43058945
one of my old friends that i had in high school is a porn actress & i've seen a work she's in, if that counts
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>>43065045
Go away Alshon
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>Are you happy with your life?
Just this evening my coworker, Rahjmid, got promoted to a higher position, such that he is now my superior. Rahjmid, not fully understanding English beyond the words "modular", "app" and "The American Dream", misinterpreted those words due to favor of his previous living conditions. As an unfortunate coincidence, he had bisexual urges towards anything that fulfilled the following criteria:
1. it has a pulse;
2. he can stick his dick in it.

Criteria 1 may or may not apply depending on how easy it is for him to stick his dick in it. He emitted the strong aura of curry.
>Age and salary?
32, we volunteer in the hopes of landing an entry job without the 30 required years of experience in MongoDB.
>How many hours do you work weekly
60
>Where do you live?
Illinois. May I note that some people on this board mistake our country for that of the third world, when in fact, it is not; third world people does not imply a third world country.
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>>43063719
I'm not a good programmer
And I have that feelings that someone will say " then you are not a programmer "
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>>43063151
Nice b8 m8 r8 8/8
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>>43063151
I guess the stupid people are the ones who make big salaries.
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The hard part is finding companies who'll hire programmers with no experience.

It's hard because programmers with no experience are mostly useless.
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>>43064103
Top down programming is the most effective way to design your system and have the code documented with full system models. For me, writing code is normally a matter of translating system models into code - I don't have to think about a new design because I've already considered my design.
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>>43065252
do you work at an investment bank? how dry is the work?
any tips for a college student trying to succeed in the NYC corporate world?
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>>43066381
Is CS a fun field to get into?
What about research positions, etc.? Do you think they would be fun?
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>>43066473
No, a tech company.

Work is actually very interesting. I would guess working at an investment bank would be pretty dry.

My advice would be to do internships, and study before coding interviews. What particular things are you interested in? I might be able to give more advice for a specific area.
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>>43066581
I'm studying computer engineering and had the chance when I was 19 to work at an investment bank (well respected one too) as a systems admin coop (intern)
I'm really struggling to find an internship in tech companies though, while finding plenty of banking IT jobs. Any tips to transition myself and to become more marketable to tech companies in NYC?
It's a little scary to me that my computer engineering degree will just result in a dry financial IT job never-minding the usually high pay.
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>>43066727
You need to stand out as a programmer, e.g. take hard courses, open source contributions, research at an AI lab, etc.

An internship at a finance company involving programming would be better than nothing.
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