Official Retro Computer Thread

Is Vista retro?

>>43046534
>Decide to copy a game to my old thinkpad using the only floppy I have
>haha, remember that /g/ post about floppies generally being cheap Chinese crap that breaks after 3 writes?
>oh fuck i thought it didn't I
>try and copy game
>Error!

Oh well, only a few hours until the stores open.

>>43046534
OS/2 too cool for this thread?

This text isn't even better. Should be:

welcomed: Atari, Commodore/amiga, MSX, Tandy, 'home computers' in general, old (pre-1993) macintoshes, windows < 3.x, MS/DR/other DOS, Z80 computers, 6502 computers, PDP's, other 80's and earlier tech

not allowed: x86 pc's pentium II and above, anything produced starting during or after 1995

>>43046583
OP's just not cool enough for this thread. OS/2 rocks!

>>43046592
Stop it.
There's plenty of room in this thread for everything up to 2000, even the older macs nobody talks about.

XP is essentially the only problem case because it's still at 20%-ish marketshare and would swamp everything out.

I want to see older machines welcomed more too, but you don't have to exclude the late-90s to do that.

>>43046592

You're asking too much from people who appreciate old computers only because MUH NOSTALGIA!

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>>43046554
Drop dead.

Anyway, trying to figure out Earl Weaver Baseball. Also wish I knew how to exit the goddamn thing. Tried every possible key combination and nothing worked.

>>43046615
You stop it, 10 year old.
Retro isn't N64 god dammit. Just because you weren't alive when it was introduced.

hurr hurr I run windows 2.1 on my 1989 luggable cause i'm an edgy hipster the whole class looks at me when it beeps loudly during bootup (which takes a full 60 seconds because it has to load my 200x300 anime wallpaper)

>>43046619
Thank you. Now I know I'm not just crazy - or someone else is equally crazy. But I'm pretty sure nostalgia and retro are different.

>>43046628
/vr/ literally won't discuss anything but 90s console games.

>>43046626
It's called Ctrl-Alt-Del on a real computer. A lot of games didn't have an exit.

>>43046615
XP has more market share than vista and windows 8

If XP is borderline retro, then surely vista and 8 are retro as well since less people use them

>>43046653
But not /vr/. Video Game RETRO. /v/ talking about 90's games is proof it is not retro.

>>43046631
>(which takes a full 60 seconds because it has to load my 200x300 anime wallpaper)

Which is in only four colors.

>>43046667
misread, thought you said /v/.

And i agree SNES is retro enough. late 90's and 3d is not retro though.

>>43046656
It's a DOS game, not a boot disk one.

Unless it's one of those dealies like Maniac Mansion where Ctrl-Break is used to exit which DOSBox doesn't support for some reason.

>>43046628
/vr/ would classify the N64 as retro. Not that that's important.

Allowing win-9X does no harm. If anything, it helps keep these threads alive with bumps.

>>43046664
Windows XP would swamp out all other systems. It's still used by many daily - even on /g/. "Retro" here is fuzzy, not purely a question of time.


Anyway, lets stop arguing and watch some 1983 computer chronicles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYOW7gEdGMk

http://www.bbsdocumentary.com

Are there more documentaries or movies like this? Thought it was pretty cozy. There is Get Lamp, but I didn't think that one felt as nice as the BBS documentary.

Reposting here. The previous one ended up in the wrong thread…

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>>43046534

>>43046631

>his only excuse to like stuff is nostalgia
>call other hipsters

noice

>>43046653

Because it is populated by Nostalgiafags, they only care about muh Nostalgia. I like this kind of consoles too, but fuck, they represent 80% of the threads.

>>43046682
did you even read what i wrote, you turd?

i was talking about vista and 8, not xp.

>>43046626
Also yeah, the game does run a lot faster in CGA mode than EGA.

>>43046653
And Doom/Quake/Duke Nukem.

>>43046717
Fucked up reading your post. Apologies.
Vista isn't appropriate for time-reasons. (It would possibly be so ignored as to do no harm to allow, however.) 8 is facetious, even if the UI does look like the wow-so-retro AOL 90s thing. I'm personally more interested in the non-windows systems too, but I don't see the harm.

But really, I'd appreciate if we just gave up arguing about what is/isn't retro, and just posted stuff like in past threads. I'd just say that a system is never too old to post here, but certain things are too modern. One thing that's decidedly not retro-computing is arguing what constitutes retro computing.

More CC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHoouNWMohA

>>43046592
>Atari, Commodore ... everything else.

Pfft..

welcomed: IBM 704, CDC 6600, "mainframes" in general, COBOL and FORTRAN punchcards (with timestamp), old (pre-SystemV) UNICS machines, Dennis Ritchie's 4th grade report card and earlier tech.

not allowed: microprocessors, semiconductor memory, anything not having to do with vacuum tubes, switches, and ferrite cores.

>tfw you will never experience being at the forefront of the computing revolution
>tfw you will never be a student at Bell labs / MIT / an employee at AT&T in the 1960s-70s
>tfw you will never be Richard Stallman's college classmate

>tfw you're stuck in a proprietary, locked-down, licensed hell.

>>43046715
Nostalgia is pure cancer.

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>>43046534
I wonder why this was saved as a JPG. PNG is half the size.

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Do you guys want to make your own LGP-30 computer? It's easy! No ICs or transistors, just Diodes and Tubes (and ferrite memory).

https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_royalPreciatics1959_26037699

I think it could be an interesting project to make one from scratch.

>>43046715
Boy, do you get nasty replies on /vr/ if you make a thread about Atari games.

>>43047145

No, but your thread will be ignored and the board will seems surprisingly fast as your thread will be in the last pages in like 2 hours.
They won't reply because they didn't experienced it as kids and most of them are incapable to hold some interest on something that didn't happen during their lifetime.

>>43047193
Not him, but they complain that Atari games are unplayable caveman shit and Hurr not mah childhood.

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>>43047064
Or GIF with 19 colors, quarter of your size.

Some Computer Chronicle episode about Radioshack and they Tandy computers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJikrCktIkg

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>>43047293
Wow, /vr/ must have changed from the earlier days.

Speaking of technically-/vr/, Flight-Sims in CC!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm8VTZ2fyos
>Flight simulators have been the best selling category of entertainment software for years
Oh how things change, now that MS has even given up making flight-sim.

Picture is an advert for the Flight-Simulator for the TRS-80, later developing to MSFS.
>Silky Smooth 3-FPS

>>43047372

Yes they changed right after summer, it became pretty lame. The only reason I still go there is for the CRT threads and the computer gaming threads when there is one (they usually shout "hurr go back to /g/!" when they see one).

>>43047372
>Wow, /vr/ must have changed from the earlier days

/vr/ was only good for the first three weeks. But it's not really so bad. Try making an Atari thread on /v/ and see what happens.

>>43047350
I tried saving it as a GIF in MS Paint. It ended up at about 30k and had ugly dithering everywhere.

>>43047460
Try paint shop pro.

>>43047350
>>43047460
Believe it or not, IrfanView has an excellent built in conversion tool, with all sorts of dithering options, produces good results.

In fact, I was just using it to downsample some icons from 256 color to 16 color. Will post what im doing in a moment when im finished

>>43047372
The last version of MSFS was FS 2004; it notably mentions on the box "20 Years Of Flight Simulator" although actually it was 22 years (the first version came out in 1982).

Maybe they didn't count that first version 1.x of Flight Simulator because it was mostly Sublogic's game design and not in-house work of Microsoft. Or perhaps they just thought 20 was a nice round number.

>>43047750
Possibly a combo of discounting Sublogic (I think MS and Bruce Artwick came into conflict at some point, but I forget the details.) and wanting 20 years of FS to align with a century of flight.

One thing I wish we still had was the large paper documentation with flight-simulator programs. Even Fly! in the late 90s had a pretty big how-to-fly book with it. PDF documentation just isn't the same.

>>43046534

we need an official pasta for the OP, this one is autistic as shit, to say it in the most polite and nobully way possible

>locking it down for muh windows nostalgia
>shutting out our apple and amiga bros
>shutting out our *nixbros
>shutting out anything that isn't PC when one of the biggest appeals of retrocomputing is its massive diversity

>>43046592

>disallowing PII and above

Pentium IIs and IIIs are a great introduction to retrocomputing, based anon.

These threads should be for anything old and uncommon, I usually peg it at around Socket 423 Pentium 4 (really a grey-area)/Pentium III and older. Most of these threads aren't full of nostalgia shitposting and if they are, just don't reply.

and lastly

>"official retro computer thread" instead of /retro/

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>>43046700
>>43047677

Best graphical DOS shell coming through!
No, Windows doesn't count.

This is QuikMenu III, registered.

Yeah, weird selection of stuff, but I have DOSBox set to automount to a folder on stuff I'm just testing out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHa14tVxbIw

And you, are you a software Pirate?

What's the best linux distro that still supports floppy booting? I'm the fag from the last thread with a P133 box I want to hang DOS boxes from.

Debian and NetBSD don't seem to have any boot disk images available on their site.

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Remember, there's an IRC channel: #/g/retro on Rizon.

>>43048383
How active is it?

>>43048378

I answered my own question and found some etch boot images, hopefully it sees the CDROM hooked up to my SB16.

>>43048439

There are people that join sometimes, and talk a bit, but they end up idling after like 30~40 minutes.

>>43047835
FS 2004 came in a nice metal case instead of cardboard, but no manual.

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>>43046626
Damn, this shit is like trying to read Chinese.

>>43047850
The OP clearly said Amiga is fine.

>>43048630

This is the first one that has, though.

Whatever, it's not really that big a deal, it would just be bretty nice.

is there a way to get W95 running on a VM?

>>43048656
For the install process, the virtual machines execution cap needs to be changed so it is slower. Below 70% is fine.
After the install is complete, google for the floppy image of the Q234259 patch, which patches the kernel to be able to run on CPUs faster than ~300MHz. Then you can reset the execution cap and run normally.

>>43048656

Getting a Pentium-166 PC.

>>43046628
The N64 is retro though. The N64 is around 18 years old at this point.

That's like saying the NES wasn't retro in 2004.

>>43047372
>special features:
>3FPS
That put a huge-fuck grin on my face. Shit still would have been mindblowing, especially pre-MSFS.

and man, I actually forgot how popular flight sims were
I kind of miss playing FS98.

>>43048439
sometimes we say words, most of the time we idle
highlight a nick, maybe have a conversation

>>43048621
I guess it was designed under the assumption that you'd have some working knowledge of luckswing.

Sup /g/, what did you do with your retro computers today?

For $200 I got a digital trunk interface, a Dell 325P, Compaq Presario 633, some 386 clone computer and a box of hard disks ranging from 1995 to 2010. I will be working on restoring the computers especially.

>>43049657

Noice, do you have some photo of all that stuff?

>>43049679
Not yet, I should have before I blew the dust off them. It was overflowing with it and sadly much of it has creeped into the 5.25/3.5 floppy drives. I will take some tomorrow and post here my progress.

>>43049698

I see. No problem then. Good luck with your work.

>>43049698
>Not yet, I should have before I blew the dust off them. It was overflowing with it and sadly much of it has creeped into the 5.25/3.5 floppy drives.

You should get a can of compressed air to blow it out of there.

The summary of these threads:

"Hey guise I'm so edgy and hipster I'm going to take my 35-pound luggable PC from 1988 with Windows 2.0 on it into class with me and take 2 minutes to boot off of floppies. Oh, and check out my sweet 300x300 anime wallpaper. Sure looks great on this monochrome LCD screen."

>>43049883
Has even one person in this thread said they take these things out in public?

We're playing with toys for fun, anon. Not doing serious work

>>43049883

>hipster
>pull old stuff nobody want

There's someone who don't know the definition of hipster here.

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Not mine, I just liked the picture.

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>>43050465

PET/CBM-II models are among the best looking computers ever made.

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10,000 Francs in 1985 = 1112.35 USD of 1985.

So it was 1,4 times more expensive here than in the US (the US retail price was 799.99 USD).

But that didn't stopped it from being the 16-bit computer that sold the most in Europe by 1991.

My retro PC of choice is the Atari ST.

I love you little green desktop...

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I wish I was able to VNC into this -- I have it connected to the internet through wi-fi ethernet sharing and hence it doesn't get an IP on the local network.

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Ah, gotta love that retro, just installed this morning.
(PS, it wasn't on the list)

>>43052098

The Atari ST, when using a high resolution monochrome monitor is basically a better Machintosh with built-in MIDI ports, and with an ASCI port (or Atari DMA port, which is a modified version of the SCSI standard that is slower, but don't require all the configuration needed in SCSI devices, as it auto-assign IDs to peripherals, and auto-detect the last peripheral, thus telling this one to activate termination) that allow to use Hard Drives, CD-ROM players and Atari Laser printer (at the same time), while managing to be cheaper than the Machintosh itself (yes, the Atari ST and ALL these peripherals together are still cheaper than the Mac).
Truly an underrated machine. It's not as good as the Amiga when it comes to graphics and sound generated by the computer itself, but man it sure is a better machine in some fields. As much as I love my Amiga, I have to admit that the ST, and later the Falcon, beat the shit out of it when it comes to real-time 3D rendering and musical studio applications (4 DMA driven 8bit@22kHz channels are nothing compared to MIDI driven FM synths and expanders when it comes to sound quality)

>>43052105
Get the IP from the TCP/IP control panel, and see if you can connect to file or web sharing on whatever you're sharing Internet from. As for VNC, I'm pretty sure there's OS9vnc.

>>43052699
I have a VNC server running. The problem is because I have it connected through my laptop, the assigned IP of the Mac is one on the ad-hoc network between my laptop and the Mac, rather than the mac directly to the router. I can VNC in from the laptop, but nothing else.

>>43052522
Fun note, with a certain add-on an Atari can run Mac software.

It's actually the fastest 680XX Mac system, due to the Atari's processor.

I think it was on a computer-chronicles episode at some point.

I just found out that the latest version of AIDA64 still works perfectly on Win98.

>>43052402
>1366x768
Retro as fuck. Even my monitor made in 1996 supported 1600x1200

I want to make Windows 95 my main OS

Any tips on getting internet on this system?

>>43052798
Get a compatible network card?

>>43052732

Yeah, there was a guest who was presenting a Mac emulator that could run Mac softwares faster than on the original machintosh.

Also, some interesting videos about the Atari ST -

MIDI sequencing on Atari:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhTrBXhGF4k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JvCl4Dk6GE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDzG9n6FByM

Computer chronicles episode about the Atari ST:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgG7cQCAprs
At 16:00 start the most interesting part of the episode.

>>43052774

THIS! Even laptops in the early 2000s were supporting this resolution.

>>43052798

Bad idea, even back then it was a bad idea.

>>43052821
What about generic modern hardware? Like how "Standard VGA" works on everything

>>43052829
Windows 9x doesn't handle more than 512MB ram well

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>>43052754

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>>43052906

>>43052906
>>43052916
As far as I know you can use "KernelEX" to make apps for NT systems run on win9x.

Try newer FF with it.

>>43052962
>newer firefox
>64MB RAM
Yeah no. It doen't even run on my Pentium3 rig with 192MB. Version 2 is slow but usable.

>>43052891
>>43052829
Windows 9x is really pretty much incompatible with any motherboards made after about 2003.

ITT: WE ARE SO ALTERNATIVE
fucking hipsters.

Get friends. Get a fucking life.

>>43053005
>Stop doing what I don't do
>be like MEEE
see
>>43052927

>>43052993
The only thing that ran properly on my P3 laptop with 64MB RAM was K-Meleon few years ago, when I still had modem connection available at work.

Opera wouldn't even start...

>>43053005

>>43049883

>>43053016
I think he's a little pissed off that nobody cared about his posts about VGA addressing, yet a tripfag gets attention getting PS1 games working on his CRT.

>>43053050
Uh, wut?

>>43053070

>>43053005 is the guy complaining about KyaDash, right?

>>43053082
I have no clue what a KyaDash is.

>>43053097
>>43053005
>>43049883
I have no idea what you are talking about.

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>>43053097

He's a tripfag who usually post quality stuff on the /vr/' CRT thread, just like many anons.
This guy got upset because someone started to post VGA to 15kHz RGB monitor stuff, which was followed by Kyadash's posts and informations about the subject, accompanied by some pictures of his PVMs and one of my guide (pic related).
The other anon, on another hand, already made himself look like an ass by acting like an ass when some anon posted some photo of his IBM PC-XT and refused to buy it an Hercule video board to replace his MCA one (because he explained how he already had a few XT clones with better video chipset, and wanted to keep this one as close to the original one). Then got butt-devastated when he posted , according to >>43053050 some VGA docs that no one saw (I didn't see it myself), which is a pretty lame reaction considering the fact that we're on an image board, it would have been better to just wait for a better moment to post it again.
Now, I'm not sure if it's him, but still according to >>43053050, this guys is now apparently acting in a really mature way by shitposting in this thread like this >>43053005 and this >>43049883.
I don't know if it's really him though.

>>43053258
That sounds ridiculous

>>43052999
>Windows 9x is really pretty much incompatible with any motherboards made after about 2003.

Funny thing is Windows 3.1 works just fine on modern hardware

Does someone mind posting shell32.dll and explorer.exe from Win2000?

>>43053358
Extract them from service pack 4

>>43053258
Not the guy you're referring to, but isn't "tripfag" and "quality post" an oxymoron?

>>43053370
I was about to call you an idiot, then this guy posts >>43053358

>>43053106
http://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/S42984447#p43028918
http://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/S42984447#p43028505

Is the guy we were talking about.

http://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/S42984447#p43028929

Is the brony tripfag.

>>43053285
It definitely can't work on anything with EFI instead of a BIOS.

>>43053417
Yeah, but most UEFI systems still support legacy mode booting so it should still work.

>>43053417
And new PCs haven't got a floppy drive, serial/parallel ports, IDE hard disks, or the assorted other features that Windows 3.x needs to run.

>>43053299

I see. But the thread had a really limited lifetime, How was he expecting people here to have acknowledged these informations? I mean, it was a pretty useful post, but it disappeared quickly, and then he try to act all high and mighty, and insult other people contributing. Wouldn't it have been better just to repost it? it's not hurting anyone

>>43053370

85% of them yes, the first time you read a post from them you add them to your ignore list. But there are some exceptions. They are rare, but they exist. What I've read from Kyadash on the /crt/ general on /vr/ was interesting and actually useful, as useful as posts made by dedicated anons and other enthusiasts, so I ignore the fact that he is a tripfag. it's the same for some tripfags on /m/. But yeah, most of the time they're just faggots.

>>43053447
The early 64-bit boards from 2007-ish definitely still have all that stuff, but newer ones I don't think do.

>>43053447
>>43053483
In fact motherboards do still have the serial/parallel/floppy hardware on them, but it's not connected. They probably leave them go because it's just easier than bothering to remove the things.

>>43053501
What? Many mainboards still have a floppy /IDE/serial connector

>>43053514
I think he meant the connectors for the serial ports are on the boards, but there's nothing attached to them (no port or anything)

In fact the motherboards also all still have the connector for the Reset button, but if you want to use it, you have to attach a button yourself.

>>43053541
Well, that makes sense.
>>43053501
>They probably leave them go because it's just easier than bothering to remove the things.
They do it because some people need backwards compatibility. Those SuperIO chips are there for a reason...

>>43046583
OS/2cool4u

>>43052999
It can work if you patch it. When you boot the CPU in 16/32-bit mode, it's for all intents and purposes indistinguishable from a Pentium 4 (you can't use long mode or more than one core).

You can get modern boards with an ISA slot.

>>43053601
Last one I saw was a socket 775 one, are there newer ones?

>>43053614
They have Socket 1155.

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>mfw PeeCee dweebs talking like it's a good thing to still support ancient hardware
Because it would sure be awesome if Macs could still use 800k floppies or run monochrome software.

Not.

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>>43053677
The only good mac is a dead mac

>>43053677
>Use a Mac
>2014
>Mac from 2006

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>>43053659
Shit, now I want this...

>>43053677
You're kidding right? You enjoy buying hardware that was replaced by the current generation right? Mac shit always has predated hardware in it and then is sold like it's top of the line.

Laughable.

>>43052774
Did you mean 1024x768? 1366x768 only became popular in the mid-2000s when the HDTV boom happened and shitty "720p" (actually almost always 1366x768) HDTV panels swamped the low end of computer monitors.

>>43053703
even in the 80s, Amiga beat Macs up so hard it wasn't funny. the only thing they were useful for was desktop publishing.

>>43053712
I just meant that 1366x768 was always a shit resolution
>>43053703
This. Also things like 800k floppies or monochrome software were never a problem for PCs.

>>43053727
There were emulators that let you run Mac software on the Amiga anyway.

You could use Windows 3.x/9x on a new motherboard, provided it was patched to accommodate more memory, although you're going to be limited to 640x480x16 graphics because you need drivers for higher modes and there are none that will work on those OSes.

>>43053829
Fug, I forgot. Even the lowly onboard video I guess you can't use.

>>43053858
Somebody might have made a generic SVGA driver; traditionally, every SVGA card used different regs/memory mapping, but I doubt there's any variance in the onboard video hardware of today's PCs.

>tfw you realize that Windows 8 still has lines and lines of code to support TRS-80 printers and 5.25" floppies

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>>43053501
I don't think I've ever seen a motherboard that didn't have a working serial and parallel connector on the motherboard. I don't think many people knows about it as everyone who needs those old ports end up getting PCI cards for them.

>>43053920
Getting a card and sticking it in a slot is probably easier.

>>43053914
It also has icons for 5.25" floppies. I've only tried 2x 3.5" floppies and they also worked

>>43053914
Meanwhile, OS X only supports relevant hardware that has been used in the last 20 years.

Feels good man.

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I want this, but I cant't find a place where someone sells it to private customers. Also no price anywhere.

>>43053914
Linux supports even more old shit.
>>43053963
>feels good
>because my OS is not backwards compatible
Dude. That's one of the reasons why no serious company would use macs. Many companies still use DOS machines for relevant shit.

>>43053986
Macs attract a higher, more intellectual class of user.

>>43046615
20%-ish market share

>tfw there's a fifteen year old in this thread

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>>43053963
>mfw OS X 10.1 didn't recognize floppy disks on a Power Macintosh G3 with a floppy drive

>>43053996
Alright, this is an obvious troll now.

>>43053996
You mean rich shits who don't know anything about computers?

>>43053986
>Linux supports even more old shit.

But it still doesn't handle serial terminals right.

>>43053996
>Macs attract a higher class of user.
Fixed.

>>43053986
to be fair though, you don't need to compile in support for all the old shit unless you're using generic

>>43054000
Seriously? Sounds like shit software

>>43048810
An eighteen year old kid isn't old.

Computer technology is old enough now that retro isn't under 20 years old.

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>>43053963
>mfw 720K floppies still work on Mavericks
The .DS_Store and .Trashes bullshit take up 1/3 the space.

>>43054016
I guess you could write your own driver if you really needed to do that.

>>43054055
That's not a function of the OS, but just because USB floppies use a stock MFM controller.

>>43054082
And USB floppies don't let you do low-level sector access either.

>>43049883

>AHA I know EXACTLY what these people are like without even reading the thread! It's obvious that because they like tinkering with arbitrarily old stuff that they are hipsters!

This board is still anonymous. Last time I checked, its hard as fuck to lugg half of this shit outside your house so I really have no idea why you think we want attention for this hobby.

It's genuinely just fun for me. Don't be a prick.

>>43053996
You're giving me diarrhea. pls stop

>>43052774
Thank you for turning his joke around on him. There is justice.

>>43054119
>>43054014
>>43054010

You're biting to an obvious bait. pls stop

I just got a 2007 era imac for free. I want to just emulate old os's on it.

What should I play with?

>>43054136
> Intel Core 2 Duo
Install Windows or Linux and virtualbox + DOSBOX, like on any other computer. Also try old mac os x versions but don't expect anything new to run on them

>>43054136
Throw it in the trash and get a real computer.

>>43053677
Obvious troll, but I'm bored so.

Graphic has a picture of a fuckin macbook from like 07.
>2014

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>>43053677
Amiga is the only correct answer

>>43054000
OS X still supports zip and superdrives. I understand that they dropped floppies from their computers back then, it was ageing and had better replacements, but it seems silly to drop support for it from the OS as well.

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And you anon, do you have a dumb terminall?

Anon, do you know the story of Mel the REAL Programmer?
http://textfiles.com/humor/REAL/mel-prog.txt

>>43055299

3 VT102s, Ontel OP-1/R, 3 IBM 3270s reporting

>tfw the VT102s have no keyboards

>>43057758

Noice! What are the Ontel? I've never saw this kind of terminal.

>>43053677

But macs could do that 10 years after 800k floppies were replaced because back then they were real computers designed for professional graphics and desktop publishing work instead of facebook like they are now :^)

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>>43046534
I-I-it's Windows 98 guys, h-honestly!

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>>43057783

http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=1150

This explains it a little better than I can.

They're actually 8085 computers but the OP-1/R variant was commonly used as a terminal since it wasn't very good for much else. Mine is a custom-order in green instead of the usual black and was probably hooked up to a minicomputer used in a government office for publishing documents.

attachment is from when I picked it up from the pawn shop basement it was sitting in for about 20 years, still trying to figure out how to get it working.

>>43057966

Wow, I that's a really nice photo. Do you know what happened to all the other terminals?

>>43058013

I got all the ones it's sitting on top of, the rest of the stack got tossed but there really wasn't anything salvageable, some shitty telexes with no keyboards and some busted-up generics.

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>>43058045
>>43057966

related

>>43058060
>>43058045

Oh I see. Well it's too bad. At least you got a nice little machine.

>>43058085

Even worse was the 9 tons of mainframe gear it went to that I missed..

At least I got the backplate to an S/36 PC to show for my disappointment

>>43058112

Now THAT is nasty! I've never found such hardware deposits. How do you people find them? Do you ask about them from technicians in companies, stuff like that?

>>43058147

I got tipped off by a restaurant that had a some Apple IIs on display to this abandoned pawn shop where they got it all from, managed to find an in but not before 70% of the shit they were storing in it was gone

I really want to go back to get some of the software and accessories that are still sitting on the shelves, though.

>>43054161
You mean a Chinkpad? Excellent sugestion, fine gentleman *tips fedora*

any tips on building a XP machine?
I really want to play XP games but compatibility mode doesn't work and I want to use a dedicated machine for it.

>>43058205

I see. I really should ask the owner the next time I see some good old stuff in a store.

Is it possible to build retro computers for fun or were they all prebuilt back then? (90sfag here)
Sounds like a fun thing to do

>>43058396
Yeah, you can build them. "Kit" computers, they were called.
Building x86 machines didn't really happen until the late 80s, because IBM clones were still becoming more widespread.

And for building retro computers today, find an AT-style case, power supply, and all other components and stuff, you're good to go.

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>>43058396

Check for S-100 computer kits, they were available since the 70s. You built them from scratch, I mean, you had to actually solder the components on the board yourself. It could be long and difficult, but man these computers had like tons of expansion ports, and you could make your own powerhouse if you knew what you were doing (and if you were really good at designing boards).
Pic related is an Imsai 8080, the computer itself is a CPU, some RAM, a power supply and a front panel, but it has like 9 expansion ports (in this machine there is nine, I think you could add more), but just place an S-100 based ARM (or a bunch of them) that takes the control of the computer from the 8080 CPU (that only manage the front panel) and you have a powerful 8bit computer. I don't think that there's a bus frequency limitation, i haven't read anything about that, just that the S-100 bu is an 8bit bus.

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>>43055299
Why, yes; yes, I do.

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>>43058641

>>43058650

>Why

Because I think they're nice little machine to own (very useful when it comes to use computers like this >>43058641 ) and i was wondering if other people on /retro/ enjoyed them too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOfGBJe_5ZU

I love FM synthesis. It's one of the best form of digital synthesis imo, as it's the closest thing to analog synthesis there is, while almost every other form of digital synthesis is actually PCM samples with effects and algorithms applied to it. I just love the way it sounds.

>>43058774
FM synthesis isn't digital synthesis

>>43058444
>>43058641
>I asked a question on /g/.
>I got relevant answers on /g/.
IT'S HAPPENING!

>>43058688
Not that kind of "why". More rhetorical, like "Oh my, yes." Hence my picture.

Although... If you have another old computer why not just use it as a terminal instead?

>>43054016
I've never had a problem using serial consoles with Linux, although the client end has always been emulated via Kermit.

#!/usr/bin/env kermit
SET LINE /dev/ttyUSB0
SET SERIAL 8N1
SET SPEED 115200
connect

>>43058845

The DX7 and all the the FM synths that came after are digital synthesizers.

>>43058899

Oh i see.

> If you have another old computer why not just use it as a terminal instead?

Because this one has basically no monitor nor any keyboard, so using a terminal is useful if you want to interact with a console-based operation system running on these. Old S-100 computer users were using old teletypes to communicate with the machines and use CP/M on them.

>>43053677
OS X can compile and run UNIX software from the 1970s and run it in a monochrome text terminal. Stop being a hipster twat who has no understanding of his own operating system.

>>43058960
But if the choice is between, say, an Amiga and a dumb terminal, why not just use the Amiga as a terminal emulator instead? You could even save the session as a logfile that way.

>>43059003
But can it natively run OS1-OS9 software? Not him btw.

My biggest concern with using a physical serial terminal, or a terminal program on an old system, is that all my shit lives in UTF-8 world. Is there a way to wrap a terminal session in a pty and convert UTF-8 on the server side to ISO-8859-1 on the wire?

>>43059046

Oh, yeah, because the Amiga is a capable machine from the begining. When I said computer like these >>43058641 I was thinking about micro-computer that looks more like a miniature version of a mini-computer than anything else.

>>43059061
I don't think it ever could run 68k software, and PowerPC support was dropped a few releases back.

>>43059101
http://freecode.com/projects/isotty

This looks like it should do the trick.

>>43055299
that looks fucking awesome

>>43059244

it is anon.

>>43059831

I want a net bsd box now :(

>>43060013
Then make one.
Seriously, even a RasPi would be more than fine for the task.
Hell, you can tape it under a keyboard and have all the cables tucked in under it, and use the composite out to a cheapo (or sometimes free) CRT television. *BSD installed on the SD card.

Boom, pseudo-retro UNIX box.

And you can use it as a terminal as well, the gimped ethernet is still fast enough.

>>43060013

Take an old Pentium machine or anything and install NetBSD on it. I use an old Pentium II as a Unix terminal server. NetBSD is one of the easiest Unix distribution I've ever installed.

>>43060278
>>43060396
thanks, I think I have an old intel celeron machine somewhere, I will install netbsd and make it a home server and to have fun with unix, I had freebsd in a laptop but I returned to debian too soon, before learning about real unix

>>43060278
>arm
What a bummer :/

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>>43060855
You don't have to, its just a suggestion.
But if you are going to use it for just old applications written in POSIX C, I don't see why it would matter on ARMv6.

But yeah, you could use any x86-based system as well.

I'm actually waiting in the mail for a Vortex86DX2 3.5" SBC, neat little i586 compatible core, only ~2W TDP, two RS-232 serial ports, fast ethernet.

Somebody in the previous thread mentioned that it would be cool if there was a small, low-power SBC like the Intel NUC, but with SB-compatible sound and VESA VBE video, making a little DOS gaming box.

With the SciTech SNAP SDK, might be able to squeeze some fast VESA modes out of this, but the audio is a C-Media DAC that operates over the USB bus, so I dunno how I could work with that in DOS.

>>43046534
>DOS
I'm interested but what could I do on it ?

>Amiga
Go on.

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>>43061371
>DOS
are you stupid or something? Doom of course

I tried installing OS9 on my iMac G3 and it's stuck on a screen showing a floppy with a question mark.
Already tried holding the option key but it didn't work.

>>43054136
Anything you want. Plus 2007 macs can run Mavericks just fine, and will also support Yosemite.

>>43061855
Which version of OS9? Some G3s require 9.1 or 9.2.

>>43054238
>OS X still supports zip and superdrives
Because Apple were huge advocates of ZIP drives back then.
>I understand that they dropped floppies from their computers back then, it was ageing and had better replacements, but it seems silly to drop support for it from the OS as well.
In this case, it's because Steve Jobs had a personal loathing of floppies.

>>43062203
9.2

>>43059116
All PowerPC Macs could run 680x0 stuff. I know because I tried it on a mid-2000s iBook (one of the very last PPCs made)

>>43061584
Doom, Doom, Schoom. There are other bloody games besides Doom.

>>43062343
Like what? Sim Farm?

>>43062380
SimCity, X-COM, Colonization, Monkey Island. Need I go on? :)

>>43062402
Ultima.

Microsoft bob is the best operating system, it is so comfortable and was easy to use

9.5/10

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r8 my new $5 Linux host m8s

>P133, 32MB, Fireball ST 2.1 GB, based case

are there any half-good floppy disk distros, or if not, do regular distros play well with CDROMs attached to SoundBlasters?

I'm thinking of installing a Socket 4 mainboard with a Pentium-60 in this case (to upgrade to a 66 later) but I think I'll probably replace this with an actual server later down the road and it might be too under-specced even for running applications through SSH/serial console.

>>43062624
Play Backyard Baseball on it.

>>43062624
Considering what you can run on a 386 I think a Pentium will work just fine.

>>43062624
>using that smushy little monochrome PS/2 monitor
Wut?

>>43062574
CGA with a monochrome composite monitor.

>>43062624
Bro that monitor looks comfy as fuck. Take that shit to /vr/ and have a blast. Also windows 95 for muh games.

>>43062638
This a billion times.

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>>43062713

It's lightweight and easy to store, tiny CRTs make great temporary monitors just to set up or test things. I'm going to run this thing headless and connect to it through SSH and direct serial line.

there's also a fucking wasp nest in my shed door so I can't get to any of my real monitors until I can gas those little shits out tonight anyway

>>43062638
>>43062801

fugg I actually already have a couple boxes for doing that with way better specs, this is going to be a shitty server for hanging terminals off of until I can get a hold of something nice like a deskside HP NetServer

>>43062801
>This a billion times

>using Reddit memes on /g/

>>43062801
>>43062638
>>43062624
BB needs 32MB to run, so in practice he really should have a little more RAM since Windows itself occupies some of that space.

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>they wanted $40 for this
It's been a while since I've seen a full-height tower case.

FreeDOS is still updated now and then and has support for NTFS and 4GB of RAM. Win9x can run on top of FreeDOS, so it thus inherits any improvements made to FreeDOS, correct?

>>43063108

nice tape drive, but I wouldn't pay more than $20 for that.

>>43063130
>Win9x can run on top of FreeDOS
It can?

Could have sworn I read somewhere that it can't because Microsoft did some funky stuff to the DOS that underlies Win9x.

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>>43062402
Or you may just prefer to play the C64 version on emulation.

>>43063236
I'm almost certain it can't.

>>43063179
I left it there. Life is too short to have to try to make old Gateway 2000 crap work.

>>43063236
>>43063269
I have windows 3.1, 95 and 98 running on DOSBox which uses FreeDOS

>>43063326

It actually looks like it was really well taken care of and would probably boot right up, but $40 isn't worth it for something that common and low-end.

I don't really like Gateway cases anyway myself.

Has anyone here used muLinux? It looks pretty nice.

>>43061855
Your Hard Drive is fucked.

>>43063418
You don't have to bump a thread after four minutes.

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>>43063659

>not posting the real Vectra 486

>>43063355
You could probably make some money from that. Buy cheap shit, sell it for 10 times as much to hipsters.

You'll be ebay reseller scum tho, but I guess it is better than having a real job.

>>43063744
>>43063659
If you collect retro computer stuff, avoid HPs like these. They're full of proprietary crap like hard disks with nonstandard sector sizes and require a special OEM version of DOS.

>>43063797
Ouch.

>>43063797
>>43063830
I think Zeniths were like that too.

>>43063797

I have the last and fastest model of >>43063744 and they're really not that bad, very well-built and expensive systems. HP still provides setup disks on their website as well.

HP uses mostly Quantum disks (or their own designs for higher end systems) in their earlier Vectras that are clearly labeled with their BIOS drive types, otherwise TULARC keeps info on most of them.

Onboard video is another story though, but that's more the fault of the times than HP themselves.

>>43063659
I wouldn't mind an even smaller case than that. Would love to have a 486-Pentium era computer for MS-DOS games, but I don't have any room for it.

>>43063878
>HP uses mostly Quantum disks (or their own designs for higher end systems)

Yeah...those all had custom disk controllers and used 256-byte sectors instead of the normal 512 bytes.

>Onboard video is another story though, but that's more the fault of the times than HP themselves

I don't know the specifics about that except that HPs failed the "Lotus 123/Microsoft Flight Simulator" test that was popular at the time.

>>43063949
I wonder how HP managed to sell PCs if they couldn't run Lotus 123? That was a huge selling point in the 80s-early 90s.

>>43046534
what about those old unix workstations?
i.e. SunOS, SGI IRIX, NeXT, IBM AIX, HP-UX

>>43063949

Mine uses an S3 924 controller, they're almost impossible to find drivers for.

I haven't run into any compatibility problems yet though and I've been daily driving it as my main DOS box since December.

They're not really great as starter systems, though, especially for someone who wants to play DOS games or some shit but they aren't really total trash either, is what I'm trying to say.

>Retro
>Not allowed: XP

you have a strange concept of retro

>>43064002

Always welcome here, the OP is just shitty.

I made a new thread for when this one hits the bump limit to try out a better pasta

>>43063812

>>43064002
Feel free to post those, I guess. I can't see the harm.

>>43063865
Yes they were except their hard disks had 1024-byte sectors. Not only did Zenith PCs also need a special version of DOS, but Windows 3.x as well because the 386 Enhanced Mode disk driver was customized for their machines (Standard Mode just uses the BIOS for disk access, so that doesn't require the Zenith version of Windows)

>>43064018

>still 25% marketshare, still used everywhere, often discussed and used by posters on /g/

>support only just ended four months ago and was still preloaded on systems well into the late 2000s

>worthy of discussion here even if it was retro

>>43064039
That pasta isn't good either since it outright mentions shitposting and autism in it.

>>43064065

That's kind of starting to become a problem here, though.

>>43064011
>Mine uses an S3 924 controller

Is that a video card or a hard disk controller?

>>43064060
So what? It's 15 years old that means it's retro

People still use lavalamps too but that's retro as well

HPs also use their own special mouse interface that's not PS/2.

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I must have this.
The HP Omnibook 300 was made by the legendary HP calculator division. Has a 386, an extremely durable design and a pop out mouse.

>>43064049
I should add: 386 Enhanced Mode in Windows 3.x required a WD 1003-compatible hard disk controller.

>>43064120
Looks pretty rugged. Is there any special textured rubber or anything?

I have an HP Pavilion Windowz 8 laptop. So boring and "normal" compared to HPs of old.

>>43064095

Video controller, most of the server/workstation Vectras just ran on off-the-shelf Adaptec SCSI cards.

Now that I'm thinking of it, what kind of systems are you talking about that use the weird-ass sectors? I'm running a ProDrive 80AT that I'm pretty sure came out of a Vectra 386 (that was used in an HP factory, too) in a whitebox build right now and it works completely fine, still running the original DOS install that was on it when it was still in the machine it shipped with. I've also got another 40AT I pulled out a destitute DX/20 system.

>>43064049
I wouldn't doubt it if HPs needed their own Windows too if they used nonstandard hard disks.

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>>43064145
Nope, it's just hard plastic. Just imagine one of those graphical calculators, just in laptop form.

More pics of HP mini computers.
I'm waiting for my HP 200LX to arrive (left)

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i really wish i could afford an sgi indy.
i think i'm gonna make plans to save up for one

>>43064011
>Mine uses an S3 924 controller, they're almost impossible to find drivers for.

Not a problem when you're just using DOS, but of course if you try to install Windows you'll be limited to 640x480x16 graphics if you don't have the special drivers for the card.

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>>43064104
It would be disadvantageous to the thread as a whole to allow it.

XP is a big boy, he can have his own general. You just kinda have to draw a line. If /vr/ allowed PS2, Gamecube and Xbox it would detract from the main focus, even if they're not much older than the dreamcast.


Personally, I wouldn't object to tiny amounts of XP posting - the history, the beta versions and so on, but if it just became "All your computing memories 2001-2009 general", or "Windows XP help general" it would be problematic.

>>43064212
Hmm, that sounds like it only applied to certain ESDI hard disks and not the SCSI types he mentioned.

>>43064154
Wait, that's a bad thing?

>>43064194
is there any way to install x86 unix on there?

>>43064194

One of my friends has all three of those, they're bretty sweet.

>>43064180

Not that I'm aware of, other than maybe a custom OEM splash screen.

The only drives I can think of that he's talking about might be their in-house designed ESDI drives they used in very early systems. Boxes like >>43063659 are no less standard.

>>43064212

I understand now, I actually have one of those ESDI drives floating around too probably from an RS/20 or the like.

Every 386/486 era Vectra I've seen looks 100% PC compatible inside and out, but old Vectras aren't very common anymore even though I live right down the street from the Idaho factory he mentioned.

>>43064260

You can get lucky, I paid like $35 for mine. Just make sure you have an SOG monitor and a spare SCSI CD-ROM for the OS installation and you could probably find one for around $100 on eBay, which isn't terrible, I guess.

>>43064265

I'm stuck in 1024x768x16 in Windows 3.1 and 640x480x16 in Desqview/X and it looks horrible on a 20'' monitor. ;_;

>>43064194
neat!

>>43064324
>but old Vectras aren't very common anymore

Vectras were mostly sold to the business market; hardly anyone had them as a home computer, so the bulk of them probably ended up going to electronics recyclers.

You notice that it's way easier to find stuff like Commodore machines since they were home computers, so not as many got thrown away.

>>43064324
Perhaps you could just stick a more common VGA card in the thing until you can find drivers (I assume that should disable the onboard video)

>>43064324
Does yours also use that proprietary mouse interface he mentioned?

>>43064324
that's pretty sweet. can't wait to rock an irix workstation. prolly not the best for opengl programming these days, but who cares?

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>>43064406

I'm actually gonna do exactly that if I can find a good card.

>>43064426

PS/2 all the way on mine, but older ones did; it's called HP-HIL, and was used a lot in their higher-end systems like the 9000 as well as Vectras up until the late 386 era.

I don't really remember, but I think some also had standard keyboard ports and you can always use a serial mouse as well.

>>43064439

Make sure you're at least running IRIX 6.2 if you plan on using your system for anything more than a doorstop.

t. software-starved 5.3 user

Also, here's a shitty picture of my 486 before I replaced the dead tape changer with a 5.25'' floppy drive and another 3.5''

>>43053677
living proof that modern apple fan-boys are retarded.

>>43064497
yea, sure thing. i can just pirate 6.5 while i'm @ it. i'm sure the folks won't care; i know i certainly won't

>>43064545

New thread

>>43064555

I already made a new thread, there's fugging three of them now.

>>43063812
>>43063812
>>43063812
>>43063812
>>43063812

>>43064540
>@
>holds down one key and hits another instead of hitting two keys
Look at all the time and effort you saved.

>>43064497
I have this book "Secrets of Windows 3.1" and it has a lot of obscure tibits on various PCs of the period and it does mention HPs as using nonstandard mice (but no mention of those 256-byte hard disks)

>>43064570
more like, look at all the character spaces i didn't use

>>43064570

Some people just have a different style, anon.

>captcha: him deadjem

>>43064569
>>43064555
Here, I made a new thread the definitive new retro thread everyone get in here

>>43064606
>>43064606
>>43064606

>>43064610

>"definitive" new retro thread

>one-liner OP

>pre-1995 only

pls no, Pentium II/III hardware (and contemporaries) are great introductions to retrocomputing and are plenty old enough. There's no reason to exclude them.

>>43064781
He's just trying to sneakily kill those systems off.
>>43063812
Is the followup thread.