Can you touch type /g/?
I just started learning how, and it is definitely a tough transition.
I can. Years ago I forced myself to use the homerow and type without looking. I started at probably around 10 WPM. A few years later, I'm now able to type around 130 WPM. Don't give up anon!
I can type without looking, at 65wpm.
Started learning proper touch typing over the weekend and immediately dropped down to 50wpm.
Having 'c' and 'e' assigned to the same finger is pretty retarded. Actually having the left hand curl inwards seems really stupid.
I type relatively fast (90 wpm) but I don't type "correctly" I touch type the way I taught myself back in the aol instant messenger days. I think when I first started I only used my index finger and middle finger, then I slowly added fingers till I used all 10 digits. I don't care enough to learn how to "properly" type. The only time I ever notice that I'm not doing it the intended way is if I try using someone's ergonomic keyboard (the kind split in half). I notice that I use my left hand for 1 or 2 keys the right hand is supposed to use, and I'm quite sure I don't use the right fingers for certain keys. Either way, it's easy to teach yourself how to touch type over time. I guarantee if you can type relatively fast while looking at the keys, it will not take you long to stop looking.
the fastest typist in the world uses his own method and you basically have to to reach the fastest speeds. that said, 90wpm is not very fast and you could probably improve by typing "properly"
yeah but only because i've been using computers for so long that it came naturally. i don't use the standard finger position or anything like that, never really learned the proper technique but at this point i'm quite fast so it doesn't matter to me anymore
I taught myself so my form sucks. I don't use a homerow and I mostly just use three fingers on each hand, but I know where the keys are relative to each other. It doesn't help that I started out with the keyboard in my lap.
Repetition is about 90% of it.
I don't get how people actively force themselves to learn how to touch-type. I just typed a lot and at some pointed I pretty much stopped looking at my keyboard altogether, except for maybe a glance sometimes to position my hands right or when typing some characters that I hardly ever use.
>pic related, my typing speed, personal finger layout and my keyboard I figured out sometime when I was bored
If I have to spend a little more attention to which button I'm pressing, I tend to use my middle finger.
I just noticed I pressed the comma with my ring finger. I guess it's pretty much just random, whatever seems to line up best at that particular moment. Basically what >>42383464 said.
Different anon here, but my index and middle fingers are almost the only fingers I use on my right hand. Would be nice to break that habit, since I end up making wild motions across the keyboard (eg, typing "yellow" has my middle finger going from Y to L if I don't think about it).
In the meantime, my left hand is practically dead still and all fingers get a mostly equal usage.
Most people generally refer to touch typing as the "proper" way of typing with the homerow usually taught in shitty computer classes. I also don't "touch type" but I sure as hell do not look at my keyboard when I type my hands just fly all over the place and I hit 90-100 wpm.
I have a similar habit, but with the index finger as well.
It's mostly an issue with having so much shit that's ``supposed'' to be hit with the right pinky, leading to compensation from elsewhere.
Pinkies aren't exactly the most dextrous fingers, so I only use mine for Shift, Ctrl, and Enter really. Well, caps too, but that's a modifier to turn IJKL into arrows and whatnot for standard textbox movement.
man, keyboards are really shit. qwerty is bad enough and then they tell you that for proper typing you should have alien hands.
really? is my left hand suposed to bend in that direction?
also your pinkies have a fuckton of keys, specially if you program, while your most strong and agile finger, the thumb, has 1/2 of a key.
why we still use these?
Same here. I use my right index finger on the space bar. Everything to the left of B gets my left index and middle finger, everything to the right of that gets my right index and middle fingers
it's really stupid how unused the thumb is. the two thumbs could be used to press multiple buttons instead of just one for both of them. i actually never use my left thumb for anything other than alt when i alt+tab or alt+wasdxcz. that's not while typing though what a waste.
Not in the official sense with homerow and index fingers on F and H and all that stuff (had to look where the bumps were), but I can type blindly pretty well. Hit 100wpm once, average around 90.
it's all the same shit
literally all it consists of is just not looking at your keyboard. learning how to touch type takes less than a day of suffering through the (boring) rote memorization of the key locations by touch. every website that helps you do this by showing you what fingers to use is the same. just choose one and stick with it until they are memorized and DON'T LOOK DOWN. typingweb.com is more than sufficient. by the end of the day or week you will still be typing much slower than you currently are but you will be TOUCH TYPING and it should take you less than a month to more than double your current typing speed.
Force yourself to not look at the keyboard while typing. If you need to look, take a quick peek, then straight back to the screen. It's all about making your fingers familiar with where all the keys are - for me this came naturally as my focus is usually the content on the screen rather than the keyboard.
i pull about 120 wpm and i dont have my fingers anywhere specific and i only use my 2 index fingers for the keys and right thumb on the keyboard. I know where I am because my left pinkie is always touching the side of the keyboard. I know the style is really weird but i can be fast and accurate with it so why change?
Home keys are bullshit. I used this style in like 3rd grade when they were trying to teach it and i was already able to type faster than the teacher.
Alright. You guys have brought up a question here. I never use the shift key to capitalize a letter. I use it only for the symbols on top keys. Does anyone else do the same? 130wpm here with a lazy eye.
I tried to learn touch-typing for years, but when I started writing a real text, I always fell back to my normal 2-finger technique, because it was still more effective than 10-finger due to year-long practice.
The only way for me to learn it was to switch my keyboard layout to Dvorak and immediately did a Dvorak touch-typing course. My 2-finger technique didn't work on the new layout, so I was faster with touch-typing.
After a year or so I had to switch back to QWERTY because of a new job where I couldn't use my own keyboard. But because I had completely forgotten my old 2-finger technique I was finally able to learn touch-typing.
Definitely not a peck & seek, but the question is more focused on using the caps lock for capitalization.
...also, my lazy eye shifts more to the opposite side of my focusing eye and a bit downwards in my peripheral vision.
>pic related, mspaint diagram
yes, I'm an american. I took it as an elective in 10th grade because I used the computer all the time and thought being able to type would be helpful. It has been extremely helpful.
>touch type in dvorak for a few years
>hear "colemak master race dvorak a shit" all over the internet
They taught it to us in seventh grade but I could type faster than anyone in my class (including the teacher) using my own method involving moving my hands into optimum position for each word (or phrase) and type them all at lightning speed in bursts
Touch typing just means typing without looking at the keyboard? Of course, then.
Although I might look at the keyboard for the | \ key every now and again, since it's confusing on a laptop where it goes immediately from that to the numpad.
I can, but not perfect, i learned as a kid and stopped when i knew all the letters.
numbers are guesses i usually tap a number and if its wrong i backspace and progress to the second one or something. At least it isn't great but works.
tings like minus - and ; and some brackets came later when i got to learn bash.
You're arguing semantics. It's the same end result, both make you obtain muscle memory, it's just that one person obtained it by practicing one way, and you must've practiced it by looking at it until you got the muscle memory to go without looking.Memorization --> Muscle memory is faster
I would only recommend learning colemak if
>You have a stable computing environment
That is, you only ever type on your own desktop & possibly laptop -- if you work in an environment where you're hotdesking, or you're always using other peoples computers, or they're always using yours, it will be a PITA and you will need to know QWERTY anyhow so there's no point. You'll just get frustrated.
I've learnt colemak, dvorak & one handed (LH) dvorak in the past for varying reasons, I always revert back to QWERTY because my working envrionment dictates it to be so. If I were a NEET I'd definitely consider it.
Touch typing was pretty tricky when I first learned it in the 5th grade but it has made my life a lot easier.
Being able to type 100+ wpm is super useful if you work with computers (spoiler: everyone who doesn't want to pick fruit all day does), and so is typing without looking at the keyboard. When I meet 40+ year old programmers who can't touch type I just feel bad for them.
Yes I can touchtype. And it was a nearly effortless transition.
I learned the proper way to touch type back in elementary school but my hands and fingers are fucking retarded. I average 60-70 wpm but that's only because I have to go back and correct all the fucking mistakes I usually make. The backspace key is likely the first to wear out on any keyboard I have.
I suppose I could learn better but my right index finger does most of the work of the entire hand for some reason and all my fingers shake like crazy due to cholinesterase damage.
Oh please, it was the same as learning cursive.
>Okay class you're 8 now, we're going to spend the next three months learning an outdated, hard to read script
>Oh by the way, you'll never use this again till you're 18, hope you don't forget it
I had a class where part of the test was signing your name in legible cursive my freshman year of highschool. Not a single person could do it and the teacher had to drop the requirement because fuck if an 8 year old is going to keep using cursive in their free time and it was never brought up in school again.
Wait, there are people here that don't actually type normally? Like, you guys peck at the keyboard?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HOW THE FUCK DO YOU EVEN FUNCTION? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
This is where your fingers belong, OP. Don't use that shitty asdf jkl; garbage. Left hand stays roughly stationary, right hand floats.
What the fuck are you talking about? What are you even doing with a computer? How did you navigate the web and find this place if you can't touch type? Are you wearing diapers? How old are you?
Why would they make so many keys dedicated to the pinkies. I'm a programmer, my right pinkie is a bit messed up, and this annoys me.
I'm probably going to get one of those ErgoDox soon.
I type with my two index fingers and they just go to whichever key is closest. I dont even think about it and sometimes they cross over? Anyone else? Sometimes I get another finger to press a key, but it just developed to go fast this way. (96 - 115 wpm)
I have seriously screwed myself over in this aspect.
Over the years I learned to "touch-type" but without using the proper fingers for each set of keys as indicated by the OP.
I can get around 110 wpm on a test with punctuation but I believe I hit a wall there and can't progress any further, since I hit keys with the wrong fingers.
Is there anyone who was able to unlearn self-taught, bad finger assignment and transitioned to properly typing while barely lifting their fingers ?
I type without looking, but not in a standard way. My hands move all over the keyboard, and I never hit the space bar with my thumbs. I can type like 80 WPM, but my hands get tired pretty quickly, and I make lots of mistakes.
It really shouldn't take more than a few days to a week to develop the muscle memory of where keys are located. I can't fathom how there are people who've been using computers for years and still have to look at the keyboard to type. Do they have to look at the mouse too?
Colemak and Dvorak are shit, SHIT!
Please. If you're going to suggest some obscure layout, at least choose the most efficient one.
You should get a keyboard that has the letters obscured. You'll be "touch typing" in no time.
It's easy, just put your index fingers on those nipples and then you'll automatically know where each finger has to go, by going up and down the rows.
It might be slow and hurt your hand the first week, but you'll get used to it pretty quickly.
I learnt to touch type a few months ago but I still find unnatural the letter Z
Had a keyboard some years ago where the space key stopped working. We stopped using it, so I popped it apart to look at it.
>that glorious feel when typing by tapping on the board
Space bar still didn't work very often, but it was magical. I felt like pic related.
There's two really good options around that, actually.
Japanese layouts with GLORIOUSLY tiny spacebars and a couple more (mappable) keys around them. Less curl on the thumb for Ctrl/Super/Meta/etc, possible enter/backspace keys.
Or ErgoDox like shit, with entirely different layouts designed around the idea.
ASEF > ShiftAWD
Yes, I decided to take the dive at the same time that I bought a mechanical keyboard. I got a blank keyboard and changed my layout to Dvorak so that I would be forced to learn how to touch type, now I average around 80 WPM when I'm not trying and about 100 when I'm pushing it. It's definately worth learning even if it's just so that you can keep typing and turn around to have a conversation with someone. Stick at it dude, it's worth it in the long run.
A pointer I would give is if you're not 100% confident with the layout then have the on screen keyboard up and use that as a guide instead of looking down, you'll get used to finding the keys with your fingers while looking at the screen more that way. Have fun and good luck!
I came here to do some bitching about all of that typing on tablets and shit, and then holy shit
are there anyone who can't write without looking at keyboard? Really? on "technology"? Typing without looking at keyboard is natural for anyone who spend more than few years woth computer, how the hell anyone would be unable to do that in 2014, and especially here?
Because you don't have hardware acceleration yet. What you're doing right now is emulating touch typing in software, i.e. your CPU is totally bogged down by having to remember where each key is and pointing fingers to their destination.
>I am at probably 10 WPM now
Suffer like /g/ did.
You only need your pinkies for Ctrl, Shift, and Enter. Sprawling the entire hand out to reach for backspace with the ring finger, for example, is much less taxing than repositioning the entire arm to inappropriately use your pinky.
That's what I do.
I use my pinky for ctrl, enter, shift, ', ", and the occasional letters.
If I hold my hand in the correction position, my pinky doesn't even reach the backspace.
Was going to say that would feel a little awkward, but then I noticed I do that anyways while in motion. Only ever at rest are my hands both flat on the keyboard. Huh.
45wpm is not slow, it's above average (not much, but still). Don't believe every other person claiming to type at 100+wpm speeds, these claims are worth as much as people insisting they had beaten Portal the first time blind under 1 hour.
According to typeracer.com speed tiers your 45wpm speed is "pro" (pic related).
>inb4 "typeracer.com is nub pleb fagtard site"
...and when you're down there with him, YOU'LL FLOAT TOO
Your analogy would be apt, if the words ``the first time blind'' were removed.
Given that people here spend probably 10 hours a day typing, whether it's shitposting, coding, just practicing(Nerds MUST obsess over something, always), or whatever the hell else; 100WPM is an entirely believable standard.
Then talk to typeracer.com and tell them they're full of shite and they should revise their typing aptitude scale and make it so 80wpm is average and "megaracer" starts with 160wpm.
>get used to typing on that thing
>have a problem each time you have to type on a normal keyboard, i.e. everywhere else
About as useful as getting proficient in using some obscure program nobody else uses.
First memorize where each symbol is and what finger needs to type it. Then you'll need to endure through a tedious phase of having to direct the fingers counciously, which is admittedly very slow, but will eventually build the needed muscle memory.
tl;dr - just the same way as you learned to touch-type the alphanumeric characters, just perhaps more tedious as the special characters are not used as often and don't spell out words by themselves.
>and it is definitely a tough transition
keep it up a month, rigorously, and you will never look back (nor down).
I don't claim fucking 990^E12 WPM, but I can tell I'm the fastest typist I personally know. Playing keyboard instruments helped me realise how optimal and comfortable touch typing can be once you get used to it
I dont type at +100wpm all the time, but it's not that hard
That's unavoidable though. You WILL type at 10wpm at the very beginning when you need to conciously lead you fingers to the right keys, without looking at the keyboard. That's the hardest part, once you get through that you'll type 15-20wpm, but your fingers will go where needed on their own. From there, you just need to keep typing to gradually improve speed while keeping a reasonable accuracy (above 95%, ideally above 98%).
Nobody was saying that nobody types 100+wpm. However, it gets a bit ridiculous with every other person claiming they do, and better still, that 100wpm is "average" and everything below 80 is "utter shite".
>mfw typing was a required course at my high school
>mfw went from typing 12wpm to 110wpm by the end of the year
That's the one class that paid off since I'm a NEET that uses the computer all day.
When I took typing classes in school they taught us to use the middle finger for c, but I use my index finger. I don't use my little fingers for much at all my ring fingers end up hitting most of their keys. Works fine for me.
Speech recognition replacing typing is a utopia that will never be, mostly because speech is inherently ambiguous while character entry is very precise and specific. Also, you don't want to "broadcast" your message for anyone nearby to hear. Everyone in an office babbling to their computers doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Of course. I still use a keyboard at work or on my laptop etc. But its perfectly fine to use in doors. Voice Recognition software has really improved. I type way faster with it now.
>it's more natural to type 'c' withe the middle finger than to type 'b' with the index finger
No? To hit "c" I have to move my middle finger in an unnatural sideways motion, whereas with my index finger I only have to bend it straight.
oh, this is how i've always typed. i didn't even realize it had a name.