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/fraud/ - it's almost august, why are you still fat? did you give up on your summer goals already?

read all of http://reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki before asking your absolutely retarded questions. no exceptions.

ABSOLUTELY NO SOURCE TALK

previously on spoonfeed me general: >>42248973
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>>42268285
so why again are orals bad? can you start with orals, or are they total garbage?
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>>42268310
running orals without a test backer will shut you down. orals are typically very hepatoxic. you only use them in conjunction with test, or to kickstart a test cycle. you can't substitute them for injecting, so don't be a pussy and pin
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>>42268397
that being said, they definitely have their place and aren't 'total garbage' - you just have to use them correctly.
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>>42268397
what exactly is "kickstarting"
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>>42268397
This generally okay advice but like oils, orals are fairly nuanced. There certainly orals you can run for extended periods of time by themselves (dbol). Typically the concept is shit on because it's beginners looking for a way to avoid injecting, and it's fairly inefficient compared to test and other oils.
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>>42268441
long estered test (e & c) take time to hit peak blood levels and start 'working,' so people choose to use orals like dbol to get anabolic effects more quickly. but seriously read the fucking sticky.

>>42268445
If you think I'm going to go into nuances for someone who can't read the sticky, you must think I care a lot more than I do. But yes you're not at all wrong.
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>>42268445
>There certainly orals you can run for extended periods of time by themselves (dbol)
lol

get out of my thread
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>>42268585
Dbol can replace test easily. It's an easy go to for those traveling overseas.
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How many people know you are on gear in your personal lives?
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If I already have gyno before I do a first cycle, am I supposed to take AI for the entire cycles length?
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>>42268607
lol

get out of my thread
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>>42268639
None. Unless you count like internet friends, then one, not counting people in these threads.

How is everyone doing today
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>>42268639
2 that I've talked to about it. and there are a few guys at the gym that are probably on
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>>42268639
My gf, my good buddies, and a couple of dudes from the gym. Literally nobody has batted an eye so far, half of them roid anyway though. My girlfriend knew me when I was a drunk / cokehead so at least if I'm sober and roiding it's """""healhtier?"""""" kek
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>>42268639
0

I'd tell my gf but I'm more scared of the
>roiding for this
reaction than I am of her reacting badly to the use of steroids
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>>42268639
None
>>42268799
I really REALLY like that image, mind if i save it?
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>>42268848
Me too! Save it, it's all your my friend.
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>>42268639
When i was on my mum did my injections for me kek.
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Repost because dumb.
>>42267353
Puerto Vallarta, Mexico.
It's a wild ride.

>>42267375
I'm quite sure they will help you disguise that stuff, and provide the papers needed. Gotta love how they go all the way trying to please tourists.
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>>42268799
>How is everyone doing today
Lowered my dose

Feel like death
Next injection is tomorrow
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>>42268285
not to diss this webm but if the chick is blind, would she have any idea of what is aesthetically pleasing or attractive?
cool guy though letting her cop a feel
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>>42268285
qt webum
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>>42268949
Aw man, hope you get back to feeling normalish soon. Why did you lower your dose?

>>42268951
I mean she's probably felt other people before, and noticing that most people usually feel kind of flabby it's probably interesting for her to feel someone that's thick, solid, tight for a change.
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>>42268639
All my close friends, and my brother. A couple of my gym bros know.

Nobody cares except my brother who is a Natty cuck and is mad all my lifts/aesthetics blow his out of the water.
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>>42268728
Post a pic, you might just be fat.
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>>42269000
1. Nice tits
2. What's wrong with her face
3. FUCKING HIT PROPER SQUAT DEPTH GOD DAMMIT
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>>42268987
Ran into some blood issues with my previous cycle

Need to lower the dosage and cruise on this for some time while getting more blood work done..
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>>42269006
I'll post a pic once I come back from the gym. Also not fat, I had gyno already when I was 13 years old and at like 8% bodyfat. I was extremely skinny, total Auschwitz mode and had gyno.
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>>42269119
I've never seen this pic get posted and not have someone lose their shit about her. I like plastic but this broad is ugly as fugg
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>>42269119
pretty much everything about that pic is wrong lol. is that a fucking corset, a belt or just the design of the top? I'm pretty sure her left heel is off the ground.

>working out with these nails
>working out in full makeup
>10 pounds quarter squat
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Alright boys going to start my 900mg deca 300mg test e cycle up next week.
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>>42269000
That thing is more foul to look at than fat people.

What the fuck is this shit?
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How well does dnp work? How likely am I to end up killing myself by using it?
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>>42269422
Enjoy the gyno.
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>>42269884
Why so salty lately friendo? Who hurt you?
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>>42269884
Already have Gyno desu. High dose deca only cycles seem to have been common in the golden era so what's changed?
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>>42270108
Flouride in the water and estrogen from BPAs :^)
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>>42270385
No it's from gear I've never ran an Ai
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>>42269929
End of bulk so I'm a salty fat manlet.

>>42270108
600mg+ deca doses are known for gyno issues, I learned the hard way.
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>>42270108
>>42269422
Why deca instead of eq? Also how many weeks? And will you cruise after? I think with high deca you should
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>>42270483
Probably a 14-16 week cycle. I've been cruising now and I will after too. And then I might do a hard pct after cruising for a bit longer. I'm not sure I'll be able to recover at all I've been on for a while now.
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Purchased some gear from eastern europe
Spent a good amount on this order
Only received 3 things and I ordered 5.
Two packages are marked with legit pharma container
1 is just some loose pills and I have no idea if this is legit
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>>42270641
How long?
Friend of mine came of after a 3 years BnC which was mostly Tren with a month "cruise" at best.
He lost a good amount of size but is fine. His test is about the same he says, take that with a grain of salth tho.
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>>42270661
eat it and check
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>>42270685
Honestly not sure how long I've been cruising but I've been on longer than off the last year. When I was 19 I took a year off and my test was 450 after a year of not running anything or lifting.
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>>42270798
Why not just stick to trt?
You'll keep the best of both worlds.
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>>42270480
I feel you dog, same boat minus the manlet thing. One week left of blast / bulk and then it's cut time. I feel utterly repulsive at the moment.

>>42270809
>>42270798
Since we're on the topic, when I drop from 500 mg to 150 mg / wk to cruise, when should I be safe to drop the AI? Two weeks? Less?
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Just popped another cialis 20mg

Am I going to die?
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>>42271033
I've got a week left as well kek.
I'm not even fat but boy do I miss all the definition and striation.

I'd taper of. Go from, example, 0.5mg adex eod to 0.5 e3d etc.
2 weeks should be fine. Could always up a bit when nips get itchy.
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>>42270641
Sounds reasonable, good luck with that. Why do you wanna come off entirely instead of cruising if you've been on for so long ? Just temporary? It seems kind of paradoxical to first run a blast and already plan to come off entirely a while after. Why not just stay on a cruise and than get off ?
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I was looking to get on TRT, so I used LGD 4033 3mg ED for 3 weeks, and bloods came out looking exactly the way it should: testosterone was below normal reference range, but LH, FSH, and estradiol were still within the normal range. For reference, I'm a 21 y/o male, with no symptoms of low test.

Any tips to get the most out of TRT? Will be seeing the doc for the first time after bloodwork was done.
Also, if anyone's interested, I can post more info on my lab results.
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>>42271073
We're all gonna die, dude.
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>>42271151
Why did you go for this option?
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>>42271176
If only we were all that lucky

>>42271151
What was your test? Docs really dont like prescribing test young
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Should a test cycle only consist of one Test subtance, like say Testosterone Enanthate only? Because the source I have doesn't sell that, their vials are a mix of Test Enanthate, Cypionate and Propionate. 400 mg has 188 mg/ml of Enanthate, 187 mg/ml of Cyp and 25 mg/ml of Prop.
Is this good?
Which is superior, Test-E only or a mix like this?
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>>42271211
find a better source
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>>42271211
What kind of bum source did you find that they dont even sell test e?
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>>42271230
>>42271242
So your answer is that Test-E only is far superior to a mix?
I don't know why they don't sell vials of Test-E only but what they do have is pharma grade stuff.
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>go on low carb(1 can of beans a day, 100g of corn spread out) to prepare for comic con
>take in like 15+ grams of salt(6g+ sodium) a day

Fuck this is so good.

those asians taking in 10-20 grams of salt/MSG from their soy sauce/fish dishes/fried shit really knew what's going on.

>tfw westerners still think salt causes heart/blood pressure problems and not the fact that 80% of them are fat as shit
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>>42271199
see pic

>>42271198
Paranoia about bathtub chemicals
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>>42271151
Why would you want to get on TRT if you have normal levels? It will only put you at normal levels anyway... and if you didn't have symptoms before than why would you even bother with a lifelong treatment ?? It can get very annoying having to inject all the time..
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>>42271273
If it really is pharma it might not even be that bad of a choice.
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>>42271273
Test is test
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>>42271338
there's no prop/cyp/enanthate pharma blend. it would be fucking stupid.

>>42271345
blends are fucking aids. though I'll say the one mentioned in >>42271211 isn't nearly as bad as sustanon
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I need your most honest opinions /fit/.

Should I go straight from 16 weeks of 750mg test, 400mg deca, 400mg Mast into 250mg test, 400mg Tren, 400mg mast?

Or should I wait, I'm an impatient man but put up with sides easily.
Blood recently came in (week ago) and the only bad thing was BP, which I've fixed.
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>>42271280
I understand low carb is to look cut by losing water weight and drain your fat reserves.
But isn't high sodium working against you in this regard?
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>>42271384

The body will regulate itself over the course of like 2 days.

As long as you're not a fuckin retard who drinks like 1 liter of water a day tops.

Also the potassium you take in more than counteracts it (brotip : bananas are worthless sugar bombs, beans, lentils and other complex vegetables have tons more potassium per calorie).
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>>42271381
i dont what kind of human you are, but looking at these numbers it should be obvious to you that this is a really really bad idea to from a 16 week blast into another blast.

deep down the rabbit hole, i hope ur bigger than mast
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>>42271362
Why are blends worse?
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>>42271362
So is susta but that shit is still popular
>>42271273
If you take a mix you have to pin for the shortest ester. E and C are almost the same e3d e4d e5d is fine, test p is ed but 25mg might actualy be neglectable i would pin that shit e3d

>>42271280
Can you elablrate on what makes it so good? Real question never read up on salt also potassium ratio if you please

>>42271305
He will probably say low shbg offsets low test and you are fine.
Get some test e for self treatment just in case
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>>42271381
Would recomend 4 weeks cruse to let the deca clear. Could add a mini cut psmf to get a little fat off bevore blasting again.
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>>42271426
Figured as much, just needed some confirmation that I'm retarted for thinking this might work.
Thanks man.
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>>42271381
Just do 150 mg test and 100 mast-e like me, it;s the best cruise

and your bloods are fine? what is your diet like? you eat lot of meat or eggs or just yolo diet?
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>>42271447
So because it has shorter esters, it has less anabolic effect than say, pure Test-E or C?
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>>42271542
Bloods are fine, nothing to be scared about anyways.
Very very slowly going to the side of taking some minor caution.

Diet is mostly as clean as possibly, vegatables out of the ass for this bulk. No eggs or fat meats. No cheese and the only form of dairy is kwark.
I do a shitload of cardio aside from walking all day on work.
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>>42271546
please read the op
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>>42271381
I have no answers for you, but I want to literally do the same thing minus the mast - but I'm coming off 16 weeks as well and I'm a little nervous to see bloods. Interested to see what the feedback is.
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>>42271305
That is some really fucking low shbg.
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>>42271546
No it has less anabolic effect cause its only 25mg vs 2x180mg dummy
I suggest you research for another 6month before doing anything else
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>>42271655
Mirin, I eat a lot of eggs and some meat, but mostly chicken. I am worried i might be fucked with cholesterol. I hope red rice yeast and niacin is helping. We will see soon if i am dead or not kek.
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>>42271665
I have read the wiki, it says nothing about this subject.
>>42271719
Don't recall saying I intended to start my cycle now. I'm planning it for 6-12 months from now.
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>>42271772
You'll prob. be fine.
I know eggs and too much meat can be unhealthy and I've actually looked into veganism from a health perspective but found that some meat is fine.
Cardio is key for health as well.

As a side note, I've recently drained myself and that works wonders for health, at least for me.

>>42271692
Check yourself before you wreck yourself.
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>>42271775
>I have read the wiki, it says nothing about this subject.
https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/compounds/esters

I hate you
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>>42271813
Oh, I guess I missed that one because I was kinda reading it in a random order. I'll read everything again from top to bottom order so I won't miss anything.
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How do i get a qt blind girl?
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>>42271809
Fuck veganism, fucking plant eating hippies. I eat as much chicken to reduce the risk. I am not sure if cardio and cholesterol is related, i am doing a crazy amount each day

Why are you taking such dumb risk, you can just sign up at these faggots. I just receive a card that i can come whenever i want during opening hours. Related to what exactly, only reducing rbc? How much points will it even reduce tho. What was your hb?

https://www.sanquin.nl/donor/bloedbanklocaties/?gclid=CPS-7tXcgdQCFQeNGwoduYQEcg
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So I've lost some motivation to lift, what keeps you guys motivated? Constant gains is one thing but I work a lot and it's hard balancing out everything right now alongside the gym.

Bad habits keep pulling me in, what would you do /fraud/?
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>>42271305
how fat are you?

there is something in your blood work that shows you are /fat/
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>>42271938
I like doing it myself for some reason. Reminds me of my self harm days in a good way, just watching blood flow.
Its also easier then you think really.
Clean site, needle in, chill in tub till done.
My sister (nurse) taught me how.

Hb was at 11 mmol/ml a week ago, which is okay.
Yeah reducing rbc, it might be placebo but I always feel amazing a couple of days after draining.
I aim for 500ml when draining.
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>>42272101
probably 13-16% bodyfat. Keep in mind this bloodwork is after using LGD to deliberately suppress test
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>>42272080
I have discipline.
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>>42271938
>>42272111
I also dont feel like storming out the building rejecting cookies :^)

I'm opposed to full veganism but a more plant based diet has benefits.

I'll post my results soon of anyone cares.
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Not sure if I can last it /fraud/

I'm supposed to inject tomorrow morning
I want to inject today instead
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>>42272111
My was 10.7 after more than 1 bnc, but 11 is the max range not? I felt like total shit for 1 day after the donation. Really weak and dizzy

My gf is a nurse also, but still in school. Probably let her do it when she's secure enough to do it. I also cost me some time to convince her to pin me. because muhh i am afraid to hurt you.

>>42272212
I know it's healthy and many studies say so, but fucking eating only plants for the rest of my life.
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feels so good to be back lifting properly
all these fine bitches wearing spandex underwear
rubberized floor so I can fuck weights around
this was the land of milk and honey all along
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>>42272425
11 is 0.2 or 0.3 over but nothing to be concerned about. Just have to keep an eye on it.

Gf didnt like pinning me until I tried Clen, shaking like retard makes for bad pins.
She'd rather have her pin me then watching me struggle.

The shit feeling will fade for draining, I also trust myself more then donation banks. I know my body and have the patience for it.
I've donated before and got bruised once or twice. Never happened doing it myself.

Just stick to lean meats and you should be fine.
Having some fatty meats from time to time is fine as well.
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>>42272371
why would you wait until tomorrow? any reason?
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Is there a way to know if your rbc count is high without doing bloods?
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I'm blasting and cruising right now, I'm wondering if I can take between 25-50mg of dbol everyday for a year?
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>>42273198
sure dude, livers are a meme. keep us updated
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>>42273167
Hard to breathe, chest/neck is red often, when you bleed it takes forever to clot. I've never donated and I probably should, but I don't like needles kek.
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>>42273268
Is it really that much worse than heavy drinking? Would it still be bad if I didn't drink?
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>>42273167
>don't like needles
heh
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>>42273151
4 day schedule

I usually go sunday and wed.

I feel like I don't want to wait for the morning and just want to get it out of the way now
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>>42273333
Yea man I'm sick of jabbing or getting jabbed my these metal rods.
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>>42268285
>That webm
Brought joy to my cold cold heart
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Ryan Gosling mode:
> Melanotan II
> Get hair dyed blond
> Dont be a man;et lol
> 180lbs
> TrT with occasional blasts of masteron
> 1 hour cardio daily, 2 lifting days mostly to deadlift
> Have social skills
> Wear cotton / linen shirts

This is my plan for the next year which is a gap year before college. I plan on arriving on campus and immediately getting bitchez

>>42273275
you can literally use a gatorade bottle and a large syrine to create a vacuum and draw the blood out yourself. I havent donated either or done this but it seems very simple once you get the hang of it. Im just TrT tho.
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>tfw biceps stretch marks
what the fuck, stop
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>>42273198
Sure.
Will proly give up when you start feeling sick/turning yellow tho
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>>42273410
What compound and ester?
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> do lots of cardio at gym
> lift
> come home and play CSGO and get to eat ridiculous amounts of carbs
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>>42273469
just test cyp

its a long acting ester i just dont want to inject in the morning since i need to wake up super early tomorrow
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>>42273470
>eating tilapia
Why would you do this to yourself?
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>>42273494
>what did he mean by this?

What else is there besides tilapia?
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>>42273494
whats your favorite fish brah? tilapia is great literally any way its cooked.
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>>42273494
>>42273500
>>42273502
I went to the gym and did an hour on the stairmaster after eating the tilapia and I smelled like birthday cake. It was the sweat. I think it had something to do with paprika and or tilapia that I ate. Was fuckin cash.
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>>42268285
LADS

post your back/bicep/whatever day routine
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>>42268285
I want to become big but don't like needles. What do?
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>>42273470
how do you eat chicken without the skin it's like the only thing left to get rid of the dryness if you stop using any kind of sauce
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>>42273543
I take a big bite of chicken then take a sip of water to help me chew the chicken
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>>42273543
I get it seasoned from the butcher.
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Fuck I just realized new girl #2 never said thank you during or after the date the other day... also going to meet up with her now.
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>>42273543
You can buy spice powders and dice it before cooking.

Also, that disgusting cunt who takes a bite then sips water. Ugh.
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>>42273685
> go on date
> "where were you when zyzz was kill"
> w-what anon?
> "say thank you"
> uh I have to leave now sorry anon
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>>42268285
That was surprisingly heartwarming.
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Im a lil fat still but I think its time to bulk
Test/eq
Either an oral or lots of alcohol
I like orals anyways cause its a shot of high proof in the morning

>>42272080
Crippling body dysmorphia
>tfw can't sleep if I havent lifted that day
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>>42273418
why? the pain?
or inconvenience
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>>42272080
If I don't lift or do cardio I feel like I've let myself down.
Also I have negative confidence and believe exercising will make it better
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Small benis and balls :DDDD
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NIGHT NIGHT

>>42273882
> implying looking like shit counts as body dysmorphia

>>42274390
large high blood pressure benis and perfect spherical balls :DDD
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Hey /fraud/, i'm too broke to afford a clen cycle, but i've heard as good things about EC Stack

Can anyone give me any infographics or dieting tools for this? I don't want to lose my gains cutting, and i'm not sure how much harder it would be to get a hold of products here in Australia.
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Hey does anyone know if genepharm is any good more specifically their anavar?
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>>42274632
wrong thread faggot
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>>42274702
i want to bash her fucking retard face in
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>>42274605
Tfw you will never be as masculine as pic,
Jesus christ, some of the folk coming out of the eastern bloc/russia are inhumanly masculine, nicks strength qnd power did a video on a teen bodybuilder from russia who looked like an ifbb pro at 17, hes like 20 something now and is larger than phil heath
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>>42274702
Bump
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>>42274774
Im pretty sure thats a skull deformity and not actually hypermasculine face gainz. Maybe even a bad grip with the forceps when he was born from being so fucking huge coming out.

Please tell me his name is Lurch
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>>42274774
ya those oddballs are great, but the Cutler/Wolf/Ruhl types are what I see as the best mass monsters around.
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>>42274829
its acromegaly which is excessive human growth hormone that the body leaves unchecked in the disorder. maybe other stuff too.

At some point you realize acromegaly is not necessarily a disorder but just a commonplace in superhumans like guys who are 6'6+. Ever notice how lots of tall guys have the same facial structure? It's like being tall just converges on similar features due to the hormonal effect upon the human body. Its like every 6'8 guy I've seen has this eerily similar face.
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>>42274829
It's what happens when you use a shitton of HGH as an adult.
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>>42268639
i've told two people.
should not have told either.
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>>42275012
What were their reactions?
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Is genepharm a good lab? Is their stuff real and legit?
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>>42275100
not him but most people will instantly

1. tell you ridiculous untruths about steroids (your health! *eats hamburger*)
2. tell all their friends
3. tell your mother (doesn't matter what age you are)
4. threaten to call the police
5. if you make them feel inadequate whatsoever they will try to say you're a loser for being on steroids

I told my best friend once and that was the last time I saw him. It wasn't the only reason but whatever.
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>>42273500
>>42273502
different anon but I found out what a fish farm looks like so I only buy wild caught shit from NZ now
>>42274850
pic related is Vincenzo Masone @ 6ft 2in 260ishlbs, looking foward to seeing him with decent legs

>>42275100
My parents haven't treated me the same since. you go from being dedicated and hardworking to a cheat and lazy.
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>>42269328
They're things called waist trainers. Basically corset-lite. Gf owns one to help with her bloating from IBS and it helps her posture. The pressure also makes you feel less hungry.

But most girls wear them to sinch in their waists
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>>42275194
It's incredible how people can be such a bunch of delusional zombies with absolutely zero self-awareness
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>>42275183
The thought of anal disgusts me but I would jam it so far up her butt she'd get to swallow my protein.
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>>42272080
Sign up for a bodybuilding show/strongman event/powerlifting meet.
Do whichever sounds the most appealing to you, and do your utmost to be the best that you can be at whatever competition you do.
I will however say that powerlifting would probably be the most noob friendly of the three, followed by strongman with a bodybuilding show being the most difficult one to get into.
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>>42275348
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>>42275376
>>42275348
>>42275183
> fridge is empty besides bottled water and pepsi
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Holy drol bloat. I feel like I've gained 20lbs in the past 2 weeks. Never again.
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do you ever have a terrible pin? it hurt so bad jesus christ. have no idea what happened, i did everything like usual.
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>>42275483
Are you rotating your injection sites anon?
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yo faggots, i am going to try my first cycle.

all I have is test-e and aromasin. will I be good to chill on this indefinitely? I see many people online say they don't even need any estrogen blockers for the dose that I plan on running (250mg-500mg ish)
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>>42275483
sometimes, it's not fun and the pip is usually pretty bad for a while
the smooth pins more than make up for the shitty ones though
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>>42275521
I can answer your question but first I want an apology, you were very rude and I don't think that that is respectful behavior.
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>>42275499
yeah i alternate legs. my trt is only once a week so i think that's enough.
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>>42275483
My elbows explode. Only in tricep ISO though.
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>>42275589
please dont pin tris :,(
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>>42275483
Happend one time to me, I felt sudden sharp pain and I pulled out, blood started running.

I disenfected that shit and went back in next to it and it was fine.
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How important is cardio on TRT
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>>42275808
Cardio is always important
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>>42275808
very important
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>>42275855
>>42275859

Fuck
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Alright guys went to a movie grabbed some dinner I paid for both and not a single fucking thank you this is really getting to me....
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>>42275923
drop her. not only is it ungrateful but its generally impolite and will not improve over time
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>>42275932
We seem to be getting along well and having fun together but I noticed this one thing and it's making my whole view of her change.
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>>42276016
Talk to her about it if you like her. If not drop her ass.
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Is acne a symptom of high hematocrit?

I've been on 300mg test for about 13 weeks now and haven't given blood or gotten a test
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>>42276282
Usually high e2. Could also just be increased androgens or fluctuations in hormone levels. Have you pinned differently recently or switched to a different vial?
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>>42275923
Drop her. Be polite and generally stoic about it, but explain to her why you're dropping her. It may humble her in the future. Appreciation and reciprocation of efforts is a big deal. Your time and money are gifts, don't settle for this behavior.
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Fucking what cunt?

A single vial of BPC-157 got fucking siezed.


YOU FUCKING MORONS IT ISNT HGH REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>42276593
They want us to go to jew aussie doctors for our peptides and pay 4x the price
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>>42276615
Need to find a domestic for this shit.
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>>42276593
>importing anything into australia
I hate this place sometimes
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>>42276722
On SST the coloured chink bear said he's planning on setting up domestic operations in aus within 6 months.

So shit is going to go wild then.
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>>42276776
fuck im gonna be jelly.
canada when??
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>>42275483
you should never push the needle in if it starts to hurt. may mean you hit a nerve or something like
>>42275725
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>>42276845
He mentioned Canada aswell. All major locations. US, Canada, Europe and Aus afaik
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>>42275534
you guys crack me up sometimes ahaha
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>>42275923
If you can see something with her, just mention it to her.

If she reacts like a total bitch then drop her. If she apologises and promises to do better that means she sees something in you.
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>>42268310
You will feel like shit on most oral only cycles (talking from personal experience). It can be hard to function normally in life (work) and go to the gym and eat properly let alone have a functioning sex life.

If you want an oral only cycles it's LGD-4033 or bust. Ostarine is too weak. S23 is a bit too hard on shut down and you may or may not feel shit. LGD-3303 might be okay but needs twice or thrice daily dosing. They're all better with test however.
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>>42276722
I import stealthed orals just fine. Oils domestic. Ais and SERMs don't need to be stealthed theyre legal to import.
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>>42276593
Look on the tga banned list it's likely categorically banned.
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>>42276593
Even if it's not banned you will find that the letter basically says even if it's legal if you dare to try and challenge us we will do everything we can to ruin your life and pursue the maximum fine and maximum prison time.
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>>42276593
You're better off reordering it and having the shipper slip in a note saying this is not human growth hormone. Etc.
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>>42276710
Honestly if your intl source is who i assume it is they are the best option i've found. Plus they reship and stealth is good. That being said their new website fucked me up and i've had 2 days of emails back and forth. Just want my GOTDAM deca and drol for leaving humanity behind

On a related note I've found my goal body which has the same frame/hieght as myself. I am not sure Im prepared to bulk that hard though for the required gains
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I know that time on= time off is generally recommended, but is waiting so long necessary for relatively light cycles?
Currently on a 12 week test e + proviron cycle. 500mg test per week and 50 mg proviron per day. Was thinking about waiting a month after PCT, and then start the exact same cycle.
Suggestions? If you guys recommend time on = time off then I'll do that sadly, but it seems excesive.
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Are the therapeutic properties of deca as good they're said to be?
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>>42276955
Yeah there's a "Your options" column. With two choices. Do nothing, we take and burn your shit OR claim your shit and we will drag you through legal hell and prosecute you.

I don't think BPC-157 is strictly banned in Australia because I think it's made in compound pharmacies but it's illegal to import as a finished substance because MUH PEPTIDE
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My coworker takes gear randomly found his FB and saw pictures of him competing looking stupid shredded. Chatted with him for a bit, jokingly say "where's the test and tren" we both laugh.

Next day he shows me progress pics and admits to being on both. Have a good discussion about it and are total bros now.

>mfw
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>>42276981
don't even come off breh
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>>42276962
It's literally just one vial. I've never gotten anything siezed before. They opened up an import of caber but that was it. I have no idea how they spotted it.
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>>42274632
Stop posting niggerwhores
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>>42276994
fuck that is unlucky. especially since I had two orders come through 3 days apart both with +10 vials and orals to the same address with the same stealth. maybe this is your god telling you to var your gf instead?
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>>42277033
well i think that was the last time I can take heartbreak. see you on the flip side gents
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>>42277042
I'm going to reship to a different address and if that doesn't work. See if I can't find some domestic shit.
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>>42277056
farewell
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>>42277033
it's her dyel bf
she posts pics of him on her tumblr
he's white
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>>42277065
its available dom but you need to contact them for a doctors referral and pay through the nose. If you dont mind me asking does she have a known intolerance?
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>>42277087
She is confirmed celiac and IBS. She's also possibly allergic to salicylates given every time she cuts them out of her diet she feels better.
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>>42277075
The man in that picture is undeniably black.
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REEEEEEEE 200 DOLLARY DOOS FOR FUCKING 5MG

This is definitely the jews
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>>42277285
it's always the jews
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Gyno during 20mg /day anavar cycle possible?

I've got nolv for pct but should I use it during also?
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>>42277375
are you a gril? why are you worried about gyno?
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>these generals have trolled literally hundreds of people into doing steroids
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>>42277481
>mfw flexing a cep
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>>42272546
Hey man if it works for you why not.

You ever tried albuterol? Clen seems to harsh for me
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>>42277481
yep, thanks everyone
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>>42278029
Look at this retard actually taking steroids. You think we actually put this stuff in ourselves? GET TROLOLO'D
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On a 500 mg/week Test E cycle how many surplus calories should I be eating over a TDEE of 2800? +300 or +500?
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>>42278050
+1000

I mean, you are training 6-7 days a week?
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>>42278050
yeah
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>>42278066
yeah 6 days a week. I am scared to get fat, I gained like 9 lbs in 15 days so far on Test + Adrol
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>>42278133
Don't eat like shit. Between 500-1000 is maximisation of potential growth. Yes you will gain fat, but if you didn't want to get fat then do a lean bulk.
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they encourage people to buy random drugs from strangers then INJECT it into their ass LOL
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>>42278233
you sound made lad
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Is it just me or because hcg makes you produce more cum and shoot more you also have greater/longer orgasms?
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>>42277967
I used Clen 3 times to cut fat, I'll just stick to a proper diet from now on.
It's usually not worth the hassle with the cutting drugs.
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>>42268285
>>42268397
>>42268639
>>42276776
>>42276849
>>42278569

how do I cycle/cruise when I have no access to AIs? I'm in a 3rd world country and they are hard to find, and when I do find them it's like $120 for 30pills.

Yet I can buy SERMs easily and cheap. What do I do?
Don't wanna run big cycles anyway, just cruise at around 150-200mgs and maybe blast at 400-500, test only.
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>>42269000
>you are cheating and could have never achieved your results without cheating..

roid guy = duck lips fake tits

t.yourbrother
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>>42278713
you're nuts if you try to blast without AI

most people don't need one for a low cruise dose but ymmv
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>>42268397
can you not do a short var only cycle?
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>>42268824
>tfw roidcel and still drink a lot and do coke every so often
GH15 must hate my guts
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>>42268639
If people can't tell you're on gear just by looking at you then you're doing something wrong
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>>42278713
>how do I cycle/cruise when I have no access to AIs?

Cruising should be fine. Blasting fuck no.
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Currently natty with some acne issues
If I start 500mg test e EW, 0.5mg adex EOD and 10mg MK-677 ED what should I expect to happen to my skin?
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What does everyone season their chicken with?

If you answer with anything but cajun or morrocan seasoning you are wrong.
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>>42276983
I'll have to recheck TGA list. But it has nothing to do with GH peptides. Banning "peptides" would mean banning a fuck load of things too not just stuff people want to inject. Include some protein powders, cosmetics and make up creams among others.
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>>42278895
Why does this image suppose the astronaut himself built the rocket?
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>>42278915
You don't know what will happen to your estrogen levels on that theres no way go predict it well.
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>>42278920
>Not brining your chicken breasts overnight

Typical fucking abo

Have another VB
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>>42278553
Pls reply
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>>42278963
>not soaking it in buttermilk
brining is pretty good though
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>>42278963
Since when did abos become advanced enough to cook let alone season their food?
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>>42279022
abos have internet now too

IT IS THE CURRENT YEAR

STEP UP YOUR GAME

C M O N
M
O
N
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>>42276983
https://www.odc.gov.au/ws-lps-index?search_api_views_fulltext=&items_per_page=All

Check that list, and look under growth hormone. It isnt banned for import.

GHRH (and GHRPs by extension) peptides are banned, but BPC157 isnt of that class.

You're going to have to write an autistic but concise note explaining that BPC157 has nothing to do with growth hormone and it isnt a growth hormone releasing hormone or peptide either and does not increase or interact with growth hormone, and is not banned on that list by name or categorically. Paste a link at the end of it too.

Then ask your source to print that note out and wrap it around the BPC157 vial or something when reshipping.

They fucked up and mistook it for a GHRH/GHRP, since "peptide" commonly equals one of those (but not always).
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>>42279080
You realize aus customs reads this thread and just hates crusader? Someone email his pack pic and this thread to them. Don't let him get his BPC.
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>>42279259
Doesnt matter if they read it or not. If it ainti illegal it aint illegal. I wouldnt challenge a seizure Id reship and include a reasonable explanation that its not banned/illegal etc.
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>>42279259
Tfw can stealth orals to Aus
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>>42278569
>I'll just stick to a proper diet from now on.
>It's usually not worth the hassle with the cutting drugs.
Those cutting agents won't do shit without a proper diet and cardio.

Diet is always number 1.

Did clen fuck you up? The side effects seem a bit too harsh
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>>42279282
The point being customs should fuck with him because he's crusader.
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>>42278915
More acne
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>>42279080
>>42279282
Usually countries have some laws that are more general and prohibit the importation of any substances with medical proporties etc.etc. which means basically anything classifies under that. So they will always be right if they really wanted to.
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>>42279080
Sounda good. Thanks anon
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>>42279361
In Aus you can import basically anything for a "3 month personal supply" thats not banned / on the prohibited/controlled substances list.

They do have "powers of discretion" but I think that is actually a different check box on the letter you get to why it was seized.
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>>42279421
Ah I see, I am not familiar with Aus legislation.
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>try out some spam light
>tastes pretty damn good, actually
>100g of this shit is 200calories, 20g protein, 10g fat, 0 carb


Fuck me these macros are actually quite good for a low carb (70-100g) diet.

I mean, it's not my primary source of protein but this is nice every now and then.
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>>42278713
Blast and use serms or add mast or low test and a "dry" compound. On 500 test i get a little bloat, no other side of high estrogen.
Pd:don't be fat
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>>42278915
generally would expect it to get worse, although i had acne issues before and got none on test. You will probably break out in PCT if you dont on cycle
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How long before dbol strength starts kicking in? I am on day 3; huge pump, but strength is the same. I'm also feeling a bit light headed.
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>>42278873
but why tho? You can do anything you want - var on it's own isn't that effective in men when used alone and isn't worth shutting down your test for. I ran 50 mg / day of var last year, got absolutely zero gains (it was legit, my gf at the time was running it too and got mad gains) and felt like ass for two months while my test production restarted.

it's not that you can't do things, it's that the negatives tend to outweigh the positives - in my experience anyway.
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oh yeah I proposed last night and now i'm engaged. what could possibly go wrong?
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>>42280068
your the "dating for 3 months" guy right?
oh wow.
well i guess it isn't all that bad, back in the old days people got married instantly
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>>42279080
None of this actually matters. Customs will be like "TGA, we cool with this?" and They'll be like "Nope, Incinerate it".
If they decide it's "close enough" to GH that's all that matters.
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>>42278713
If its not illegal to import then you can get asin etc raws for cheap

Otherwise just run 200mg test and load up on another compound
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How long till my balls return to their size?
12 week test e only cycle (500 mg)
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>>42280130
It does matter actually.

When they see peptide they automatically think GHRH on their list. Which is often correctly the case, but not this time.
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>>42280126
Yes sir, I've made some questionable decisions in my life, but this really takes the cake. That's kind of my thought as well, but I feel like this is all going to come crashing down once the hormones stop calling the shots. Oh well, I'll keep everyone posted so the trainwreck will be good entertainment at least
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>>42280184
Doesn't mean they'll let it though.
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>>42280068
POST THE RING FAGGOT.

Or alternatively post your broad of fiancé
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>>42280225
pls no bully
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>>42280264
I like it. Good choice.
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>>42279485
problem is nitrates :/ I luv spam but those nitrates
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>>42280284

Thanks man, she had previously told me exactly what she wanted so it was hard to fuck up
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>>42280068
>>42280307
are you rich? are you getting gold dug right now?
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Intro guide to getting into G4P?
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>>42280334
Not especially, I've known the girl for 5 years and we hooked up years ago - she owns a home and shit too (I don't) so I can't imagine that's it
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>>42280211
Pls don't become another cucksader
>Captcha select all jewels
>>42280225
Post cuckdiary bb
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>>42280264
is it true that murrifats buy fuggin expensive wedding bands as a starting capital for the marriage?
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>>42280348
>tfw your lady will soon be making more money than you and asks if you want to be a stay at home dad and her "house slut"
Living the dream
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>>42280469
Prepare to be cucked m8
>sucking corporate dick while you wash the dishes
>washing her cum stained underwear
Yeah... Living the dream. Betazoid.
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>>42280526
I wonder what's up with the fascination the average 4chan virgin has with cuckolding
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>>42280554
Banging other people's wives/girlfriends unprotected is pretty fun desu
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>>42280469
Does she also penetrate your boipussi?
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>>42280566
but that's not the side 4chan virgins talk about
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>>42280575
I guess swinging might be fun, but not in the humiliating treat me like a piece of worthless garbage kind of way.
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>>42280526
>daily good morning my god texts
>wears her collar and leash
kek
>>42280573
Sometimes.
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>>42280285
Kek what a faggot
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>>42280566
I want to do it so much omg (including my infertile creampie)
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>>42280690
infertile creampie? wut?
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>>42280068
Big mistake man, you just know her for some months. Trust me when i up the dose, i turn in a fucking huge faggot like you and want to buy all kind of stuff for my gf

Now i when i lowered the dose i don;t give a fuck about her anymore. I am thinking about cheating all the time
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>>42280705
I am on hormones
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>>42278819
>you're nuts if you try to blast without AI

>>42278898
>Cruising should be fine. Blasting fuck no.

so what did Old-school bodybuilders do before AIs were invented? They were "on" most of the time, I doubt they felt like shit and dealt with all the high E2 sides year round...
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>>42280743
Speaking of whore moans, just find out where Crusader lives, I am sure his gf is totally receptive to being creampied by a man.
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>>42280767
kek
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>>42280765
they were always in single digits bf%. you aren't. also, good, non aromatizing genetics... you don't hear about the thousands of bodybuilders who tried to replicate what the golden age bbers did but just turned into big tittied bloated messes
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The fucking hair meme cycle thickness is not reversible some how, i lowered the dose but it still remain growing thick like no other.

Need to go the barber every 2 weeks now to thin it. I freak out every barber at my city., NO WAY THIS CANT BE TRU!!

BUT YOU BOI IS ON FIRE FRESH AGAIN

stealing yo girl on sight, STAY BALD STAY MIRIN
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>>42280874
You seem in good spirits good 4 you
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>>42268919
mirin
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>>42280910
>no momdom gf to do ur tendies and pinnies before she tucks you in
REEEE
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>>42280874
lol nice try hiding your widow's peak by tilting your head
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>>42268771
>"lol"
>reddit spacing
kys
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just ordered my first batch I'm so excited I gotta tell someone and you're my only friends
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>>42280949
to be honest, before the hair meme cycle i got a little widow peak developing, but it managed to repair most of it.

Especially the combo of biotin and keto was crazy for hair growth.

The other are really crazy for thickness, my front was also thinning and it all grow thick again
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>>42280351
No cuckdiary as of yet, but then again I haven't started tren.

>>42280372
I'm a leaf, but it wasn't so bad. About $2k. I don't get down with that 3 month salary horseshit

>>42280735
I don't doubt you're right - only difference (and possible saving grace) is that we've been friends (and occasionally hooked up) for years - still doesn't mean getting engaged in 3 months can likely end any way but bad but we'll see I guess

>>42280994
that's exciting, what did you order anon?
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>>42281006
Ive had a widows peak since well.. like 12 or so or whatever, but it hasnt receded.
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>>42281057
Test
Arimidex
Nolvadex
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>>42281063
My father is his 70thies and got his widow peaks when he was in his twenties. Nothing has changed since then,

I wil always be on the meme cycle and keep my hair line like this.

There are always ways to cheat on your genetics
>>
thoughts?
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>>42281006
mirin chad hair genetics
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>>42281152
looks like a syringe to me, anon

im no expert tho
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>>42281152
For pinning what? HcG? Slin? Probably pretty okay - it's only .5 ml though so for a lot of blast doses unless you've got 400 mg / ml gear or something it's probably not big enough
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>>42281152
What do you plan on doing with that thing?
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>>42281191
>>42281196
>For pinning what?
Test
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>>42275012
I've only told one: my therapist kek

Almost told one of my friends, but glad I didn't.
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>>42281200
Subq trt only maybe
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>>42281167
Without that meme cycle i was fucked. I would quit roids if that shit wouldn't help. It's not worth it to go bald for some gains.

On my test only cycle i didn't use anything i saw the front really thinning crazy and widows peaks developing. The hair line was retreating faster back than the French

I miss brick and his qoutes, where did he go, he died?
>>
>>42269000
I am natty myself, lurking /fraud/ cause it's actual interesting /fit/ related talk.
I really, really, do not understand how butthurt natties get when they find out people roid. If you actually lift natty, you should understand that steroids won't make you big without effort.
Also, normies dgaf. I'm 90kg 6"1', a decent bit over 1/2/3/4 with an allright physique (I like to think) and I am a god amongst men for normies. Anytime I see someone bigger than me, it's achievable natty.
So why the fuck would I care so fucking much?
Sry for the rant, but this really triggers me.
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>>42281200
This: >>42281212 otherwise you're going to need to pin twice, and plus that needles pretty short. Also, I don't like pinning oil with anything under a 25g as it takes forever, but that's just personal preference.
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>>42281274
> I am a god amongst men for normies

its nuts. I get made fun of here on fraud being called dyel, and in real life people think im xbox huge with tree trunk arms and i weigh 105kg of pure muscle.

Its good tho, makes it easier
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>>42281057
Oh you already knew her and your were friends.

I did stupid shit on higher dose of roids which i hugely regret. But if you feel like it why not breh, go for it

I don't feel anything for marriage. Monogamy doesn't exist, it's only harder to quit the relationship with marriage. All that fucking bullshit
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>>42281313
>Monogamy doesn't exist
would you cheat if you knew there was no chance of you getting caught? or are you just saying you don't believe in female monogamy?
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>>42281127
My hair line isnt high though, its just the widows peak shape Ive always had, actually I like it
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>>42281152
>>42281200
>>42281212
No its no good, let me explain

29g through a 1ml is ridiculously hard next to impossible, 0.5ml is impossible, 3ml syringe is possible if you warm the oil up - subq and im.

27g I like much better for a fine needle gauge for test.

At the same needle gauge it seems to require increasing amounts of download pressure the narrow the syringe barrel is (plunger surface area contacting the oil), making narrow barrels + fine gauge really difficult for oil.

On a 1ml+29g I had to put so much damn pressure on it I felt like it was about to snap, felt dangeous desu.
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What happens if I just do one 12 week cycle, would I be able to maintain higher weight than I would natty over a long period of time?
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>first ever cycle
>over month in
>eating at maintnence (2300 cals)
>only got fatter
what the fuck is going on?
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>>42281452
Mainly depends on if you can get your natty levels back at 100% what they where. And if you gain too much, even good natty levels may not maintain the weight.
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>>42281508
water?
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>>42281522
>if you gain too much
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>>42281508
you're not eating at maintenance OR bloat
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>>42280285

asians eat 10-20grams of salt + msg a day.

how many lardass asians with heart problems and high blood pressure do you see compared to the gaijins?
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>>42281543
i don't fucking know, but i hope it's water, my gut area only

>>42281572
>you're not eating at maintenance
it would be weird if my maintence was below 2000 cals but who knows

how in the fuck people are eating over 4k calories while bulking on gear? Now i don't know if it's only bloat and im hindering my gains with low calories or im a huge faggot with tdee of 1800 calories
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>>42280874
I shaved all my hair off. Fuck it.

No more having to organize it

Women be mirin hard, did not expect.
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>>42281581
> asians eat 10-20grams of salt + msg a day.
no they dont. some of them in america, maybe. theres quite a few fat asians in the lower socioeconomic castes.

>>42281601
ton of bloat on test. even switching from 250mg to 500mg can put on 5lbs of water.
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>>42281784

Asians use shitloads of soy sauce, a single tablespoon is 900mg sodium(2.2grams of salt). Thais and seamonkeys also use shrimp paste a lot which is probably the biggest sodium bomb you'll ever see, and it tastes damn amazing.

Unless you've actually been in asia for a decade or 2 you better just keep your burgerlander false facts to yourself.
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>>42281784
>ton of bloat on test
will it go away eventually?
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>>42282041
no its permanent, you're a tuby little bloatfish now
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>>42282182
you know what i mean, no need to be mean

i guess it will go away after you stop but the thing is im planning to stay on until the day i die (which is not that far away). So in this case bloat will be permanent?
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>>42282335
have you, per chance, read the wiki?
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>>42282353
i am taking 0.5mg of adex e3d if you are talking about high e2

my face is not bloated, i have no other symphtoms of high e2 so im not sure if i just got fat
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Might have to ask in the new thread but what do you guys use for preloading during heavy cycles or drinking to protect the liver

You guys use some type of vitamin to use before a heavy cycle? ?
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