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Welcome to /PLG/ Powerlifting General

Primarily for the purpose of becoming a better ipf shill, but sometimes sean likes to post here too

>smug kiwi edition

powerliftingeneral.com
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>day 1 week 5 c6w
>1-4 reps with 98%
>want 3 reps at 146.5kg
>only hit 2

kill me lads
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>>35175648
Deadlift is really hard
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>>35175651

Ohoho fuck that's gotta be one of the better burns /plg/ has seen
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>>35175651
>B(

considering my newest vid is 190kg for 3 diddle you can shove it up yer ass friend
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Captain poutine how do you run 5/3/1?
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Is buttwink inherently bad?
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>>35175581
https://youtube.com/watch?v=eQaMQAMP7wk

Older video on another channel. Glad I finally found this, y'all.
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>>35175669

Basic 5/3/1, with Boring but Big, but the OHP and Deadlift BBB swapped out for either Bench or Squat depending on the day.
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>>35175670
memedito says no
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will accessory lifts help my progression

desu I only squat/dead or bench then leave
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>>35175683
Thanks senpai do you think it would be good to do if I am coming back from an injury?
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>>35175696

You haven't made any progress pal
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Meemshot and my first pair of lifting straps just got here. I'm slowly becoming irenlyfe
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>>35175710
c a n t

f a d e
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>>35175703

I honestly don't think it's optimal for powerlifters, but it's the program I enjoy the most. It may not meet your requirement for volume, but give it a shot! If it doesn't work, there are a lot of really good programs out there. Choose the one you enjoy the most.
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>>35175720

You may be the worst thing that's ever happened to plg
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>>35175746
Yeah I know it's not optimal but with The low frequency I think it will allow me to adjust to training again
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>>35175778

Good luck, lad. Hope you enjoy it.

Off to the woodshop lads, gonna come back when the two bickering twelve year olds are in bed.
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hows my The Press?
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>>35175835
the gangsta wrap as a belt made it Tbh
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>>35175648
What program is this?
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>>35175925
>>day 1 week 5 c6w

as it says canditos 6 week
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>>35175746
>I honestly don't think it's optimal for powerlifters, but it's the program I enjoy the most

These are wise words.

A wise man once said:
>The best program and the worst program look the same on paper.

The difference is the athlete enjoyment/engagement. If you buy into what you're doing, you'll get more out of it.

This is why I staunchly defend 5/3/1 and it's variants even though they are not "optimal" for powerlifting.

Optimal is a nerd word anyways :)
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>>35175934
well to be fair to him
it did not say that

and if he knew what the abbreviation was then he wouldnt have asked
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>>35175934
Shit I just realized that sorry bout my mental handicap
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http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ph3-layne-norton-power-and-hypertrophy-trainer.html

Speaking of non-powerlifting routines that are better routines than some powerlifting routines, has anyone checked out Layne's "PH3"?

I read into it a bit. Advanced lifters only (350 wilks and up). Looks breddy fun. Not sure what to think of the "blood restriction" training for hypertrophy, but might give it a go.
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>>35175990
>advanced
>350 wilks
Nobody has ever misspelled beginner this bad
Even pj can run it

Oh wait
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>>35176004
>advanced
>350 wilks

He is marketing to advanced "lifters" not necessarily advanced (elite) powerlifters.
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>>35175976
>MY MIND
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>>35175990
>Advanced lifters only (350 wilks
im not sure if plg has fucked me up
wilks from my last meet was 390 and i still think of myself as an intermediate that is just kinda weak Tbh

what makes you think 350 is advanced?
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>>35176031
>He is marketing
oh its layne calling this advanced, lol what a patronising shit

ignore
>>35176033
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>>35175731
Let the overload flow through you.
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Has anybody here stayed at the same body weight for an extended period of time (~1y) and actually noticed a difference in their body composition (more muscle/less fat)?
Beginners don't count
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>>35176033
>what makes you think 350 is advanced?

Most guys over 350 wilks that are of average natural talent would benefit from DUP type periodization and high frequency with less risk.

>>35176050
>layne calling this advanced, lol what a patronising shit
Awful lot of semantics here about "advanced", ha.

Settle down, your insecurity is showing.
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sheiko felt easy af today. I don't know if that's good or bad tBh.

sheiko expert are you here? I am 1 week away from my skills test and I still haven't had more than 1 or 2 workouts that have felt over RPE 8 or so. starting to grow concerned that I am not going to make any progress.
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>>35176074
>your insecurity is showing.
what insecurity? im complelety secure with my abilities and how weak i am
when i go to meets and everyone beats me i just have a hard time calling myself advanced
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>>35175746
>>35175949
its not "not optimal", that would imply it's still up there with better programmes

its painstakingly slow and the only people doing it are lazy and just want a 'plug in your numbers and go' type programme that is fool proof since the progress is so stunted, there's no chance of fucking it up.
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>>35176065
I've been 215 +/- 10 lbs for 3 years.

Bodyfat has slowly crept down.

>>35176132
>its painstakingly slow
No it isn't.

60 lbs on upper movements and 120 lbs on lower movements in a year would be absolutely phenomenal progress for anyone except the absolute beginner.

>there's no chance of fucking it up.
Exactly. You focus on the lifts instead of over-analyzing and program hopping.
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>>35176147
>thinking 60lbs is anything compared to literally any other intermediate programme
>thinking doing a heavy RM at best once a month will result in good performance on the 1RM
>thinking the only way around stalling is programme hopping
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Why won't SMG stay up?
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>>35176190
>thinking 60lbs is anything compared to literally any other intermediate programme
I do. It's remarkable.

>>35176190
>thinking doing a heavy RM at best once a month will result in good performance on the 1RM
Sheiko only goes heavy once every 3 months or so. Also, the AMRAP sets are decent stimulus.

>>35176190
>thinking the only way around stalling is programme hopping
Never said that, but whatever bloats your goat.
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>>35176228
Because only two or three posters actually compete and nothing's happening on the pro side of things to talk about.
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>>35176233
it doesnt matter what YOU consider remarkable - we're talking about it in comparison to other programmes. it doesn't hold up no matter how fucking amazed you are m8

>>35176233
Sheiko has higher % and more frequent heavy sets than 5/3/1

and a light-moderate AMRAP still won't translate to a 1rm.

>>35176233
>>35176147
>you focus on the lifts instead of over-analyzing and program hopping
>implying you have to over-analyze and programme hop when doing other superior routines
but whatever goats your boat

>>35176233
>>35176233
>>35176233
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>>35176299
Stats?

Years lifting?

Father figure?
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>>35176065
I've gained 7lbs since April and I think I got a little more definition. Lifts have gone from 1240 total to 1322
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>>35176392
>Stats?
500/300/100

>Years lifting?
5 years. 3 days a week, 1 hour/workout

>Father figure?
Wendler
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>>35176299
There are very few years in a lifters life where he will put 60 lbs on his bench or press. Year one, sure. Year 2, maybe. After that? 60 lbs is a pipe dream.

I don't know where this elitism comes from. Plenty of very strong lifers have started with, or gone back to 5/3/1 or modified versions of a 4 lift split. It is back to basics programming. Western flavor, but still effective.

Sheiko averages around 70% intensity. 5/3/1 is above that by 5-10%, depending on AMRAPs and your accessory volume.

Also, the AMRAP's are not "light-moderate" at 90-95%.

Everyone talks about "superior routines" but all I hear is Sheiko and nothing else.

Grow up a little, friend. If you keep up this kind of elitist attitude, you'll miss out on some quality lifting advice out there.
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Kind of worried lads.
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HEY WHOA JANNY I WAS TALKING LIFTING

>>35176511
Toaster failure?

What are we training next? Just cashed my natty card back in with some creatine lads
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>>35176517
Just scared of the next sheiko session
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>>35176468
So you're saying 5/3/1 is the secret for advanced lifters to keep putting on 60lbs on their presses yearly?

The point is that you can get similar gains on a year of better programming than you can on over 2 years of 5/3/1

Plenty of strong lifters have gotten plenty of gains on plenty of routines. So inherently with that argument you can do anything - but in the meantime we can discuss which methods are inherently inferior - and monthly progress at the novice-intermediate level (which most of the people are on this board) is retarded.

Pointing out objective facts that show one method is worse than the other isn't elitist, its common sense.

And you don't do 90-95% on every amrap. Doing 90-95% once a month on a once a week programme is ridiculous. The criticism still stands that drifting away from doing heavy sets is not conducive to being a good powerlifter.

How about you actually offer some 'quality lifting advice' and educate us or address the points that have been brought up?

>little, friend.
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>>35176612
>and monthly progress at the novice-intermediate level (which most of the people are on this board) is retarded.
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>>35176272
>>35176452
>>35176467
>>35176480
>>35176484
>>35176484
>>35176487
>>35176501
>>35176565
>>35176599
how is everyone's training going? I am liking sheiko, even though it isn't quite the intensity that I am used to. starting to get worries about not progressing, but boris knows his stuff so we'll see.
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>>35176612
>So you're saying 5/3/1 is the secret for advanced lifters to keep putting on 60lbs on their presses yearly?
No. Re-read and try again.

>The point is that you can get similar gains on a year of better programming than you can on over 2 years of 5/3/1
120 lbs on pressing, and 240 lbs on hinging. You're serious? No, of course you're not.

Unless a lifter is starting from zero, you're just talking out of your ass.

>Pointing out objective facts that show one method is worse than the other isn't elitist, its common sense.
I'm pointing out that you don't even lift, so it doesn't matter.

I can only assume that you only argue to pretend that you have a friend.

I will not be that friend.

Sorry, Sean.
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>>35175669
what is 5/3/1 (sry, /biz/ here, lurkin')
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>>35176661
>doubles previous estimated progression
>offers literally no compelling arguments
>thinks friendships=arguing

you have nothing but empty arguments and evidently shallow friendships which you're projecting onto this discussion.

I'm sorry you're so insecure about your programming and friendships.
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sup bros

> been learnign lowbar
> sucks
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looks like the janitor has been hard at work today fAm
>inb4 file deleted

>>35176757
work on your shoulder mobility. for me, doing the thing where you take a stick in front of you and then keeping your arms straight and then going over your head and behind you (idk what that's called) helped a ton.
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>>35175835
wrist wrap as a belt is 2qt4me
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>>35175976
https://youtu.be/PYfmVbOBAOA
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>>35175581
anyone here go to a gym in kingsland/morningside? [Auckland]
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>came home from uni after it was closed because of a city wide emergency
>barbells in home town gym are thicker

It's really weird, I think my Uni ones are longer but I never quite realised, squats felt hilariously easier with a thicker bar however bench was a little harder.

Funnily at Uni my bench skyrocketed and my squat stagnated.
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>>35177136

squats feel much harder for me with a thicker bar. They feel like they're rolling around. In fact the thicker the bar, the worse I am at every lift
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>>35177146

I can't sleep at 4:40, so in a few hours I'll go try deadlifts and see how they feel with a slightly thicker bar again.

It's really weird how much different a gym can impact performance, like for example the racks at home/uni gym are way different and make unracking a nightmare at Uni, however the benches at my home gym are fucking tiny and narrow so it's hard to stay tight.
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>>35177163

Plus I think the Uni gym is more conducive to lifting heavier weights, you have a bunch of 20 something athletes all just working out together in a really chill friendly environment compared to a small town gym which is full of old Indian men rape staring and 35 year old blokes having a mid life crisis wearing skintight workout gear and doing some mental routine to save their youth.
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>>35177163

I know that feel

I was talking yesterday in /owg/ about how my squats are dogshit ugly when I squat in a cage, especially in front of a mirror, but as soon as I squat from a stand and there's no mirror in sight, they turn into beauties
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Tested out the slingermemer. Doesn't add much to absolute max, but I could a lot of reps near my max.
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Starting to pull sumo occasionally (conventional has stalled and is hurting between my tailbone/lower back). How shit is my form?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv0QeIJ4U2E
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can a bad barbell be the reason of my lower back hurting after deadlifts? i used to deadlift on with my barbell but i recently got a gym membership and since i started deadlifting there my lower back to left hips hurts
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>>35177636
You didn't lock your knees once on those sumo diddles. You're generally supposed to lock your knees before your back. Unless this is a meme post, I would practice sumo some more.
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>>35177184

Ha, ditching the mirror has turned me into Quasimodo.
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>tfw 1220 total
>seems impossible I'll ever break 1300
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>>35177636

>Beats
>Hexplates
>No lockout

Are you lifting in literal Hell?
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>>35177695

I believe in you lad. You'll get 1300 before you know it.
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>>35177711
>>Beats
cheap skullcandy headphones from marshals
>>Hexplates
after 1 round plate, I prefer them cause they go on and off easier
>>No lockout
This is true.
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>>35177735

Yeah the sumos looked sloppy, but now you know what to tighten up.

>>35177735
>marshals

Fuckin luh marshals
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Hey /powerlifting/

I'm looking for some constructive criticism. I'm literally the only one of my friends that lifts on any regular basis (everyone else lifts like 1 or 2 times a week) so I have no real pool to compare myself to.

I'm 5'9. 153 pounds

My 1RM:
I bench 250
Squat 350
Dead is probably around 370 but haven't maxed in months (Since I don't really care about deads at the moment).
and I can OHP 170

I lift for general strength and conditioning, but I'm thinking of focusing on powerlifting or powerbuilding.

Basically. Are these stats respectable at all? I'm miles stronger than my friends but like I said none of them are even remotely serious about lifting.

Thanks
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>>35177740
>Fuckin luh marshals
being able to grab headphones and cloths for ~75% of retail is so great. But yeah, second time trying to pull sumo outside of messing around with it at ~225. Lower back pain has been killing my deadlift recently to the point where I don't enjoy doing them anymore, and just trying to figure out something that will work.
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>>35177743
>powerbuilding
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>>35177768
Oh man, you're so cool. Well meme'd
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Gf just sent me this
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>>35177743

Assuming you

Touch your chest with the barbell when you bench, without a "bounce"

Squat until the crease of the hip joint in lower than the top of the knee

Don't hitch your deadlift

Told the absolute truth about your weight, and lifts

You would have a wilks of ~330

So in /plg/'s standards you would be considered weak. A great foundation for beginning as a powerlifter, and not much weaker than me.
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>>35177758
>Lower back pain has been killing my deadlift

Triggered
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>>35177781

:3

You've been shitposting a lot, hey?
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Hey laddos.

If I get lower back pain after bench sets (from arching) what can / should I do about this?

Deadlifting makes it feel better desu, and it doesn't seem to affect my squatting either (knock on wood)
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>>35177840
Only bullying pj because pj. Otherwise business as usual f a m
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>>35177861

You should stop bullying him; he gets all riled up and then shitposts harder.
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>>35177716

>fairly close to natty potential on bench
>deadlift hasn't gone up in a year
>squat hasn't gone up in 5 months
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>>35177636
To be honest mate, you are a lot stronger than I am, but this video was pretty fucky.

watch this video and follow his advice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IePuEo9qwLE

Also your hips are really high and you are doing the deadlift like it is two movements--you are bringing your hips up and then your back. It should just be one.

You can fix that by starting with your hips lower.

cheers
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>>35177884

You'll break through friend. You'll find that one thing you needed, whether it's more food, more sleep, or a different programming approach, and you'll just fucking crush it.
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>>35175581
PALMY
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>>35177858
f-fAmily?
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Anyone else buy a 2.5" or 3" belt for their deadlift? I have tried putting my squat belt higher or lower or backwards and it just feels all f'd up.
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2 slices of sourdough bread
1 scoop of chocolate and peanut butter whey/casein blend
2 hours of emulated original phantasy star

How is your night shaping up thus far, /plg/?
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Why do I feel way more awake after 5 hours of also than I do after 6 1/2.

I swear, it must be waking up in a REM phase - gay as fuck.

Is there any way to calculate these properly??
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>>35178052
Because anxiety is what is waking you up so damned early and you're mistaking restfulness with insomnia
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>>35178052

go to bed at a roughly similar time each night
wake up at a roughly similar time each morning

If I have a set schedule (e.g. wake up 7:15 MWF and 6:15 TTh) and go to bed between 11:30 and 12:30 I'll always wake up 1 minute before my alarm goes.
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>>35178057
Nah it's my alarm clock that rips me out of sleep lad.

>>35178064
Sounds like a good idea but I first need to know what my optimal sleep time should be.

I was hoping there might be a different way than trial and error :/
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>>35178117

you adapt 2bh. I used to think I needed 9 hours until I started feeling good with just 6-7
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>>35178132
I see, I see.

Sleep is really the only thing about uni / work that bothers me.

Tiredness is fucking annoying and nasty. It's also the end to any productivity, especially mental work where I just tend to get incredibly tired when it's boring.

Do you guys get out of bed and after a good breakfast and some wake up time you feel energized as fuck?
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>>35177974
Rippe strongly advocates for a narrower belt for deads I just cbf to get one. My torso is so damn long I may be able to get away with the 4" and be fine anyway. My hips get fucked up on deads though. And I feel like it's harder to get into a good position for them with a belt kind of in the way
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>>35177974
higher and looser 1 notch works for me
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>>35178117
Go to sleep earlier, then. Optimal sleep time for most is 7-9 hours or so.
TIPS:
>install fl.ux on your computer and Twilight on your phone
These are apps that reduce the blue light emission of your displays, effectively stopping your body from thinking you are staring at a sunny sky. Several studies show that exposure to blue light halts the body's production of melatonin.
>supplement with melatonin
Shit is dirt cheap, non addictive, and is the hormone released by your body to begin the process of settling down to sleep. 3-10mg half an hour before GOING TO SLEEP should suffice.
>turn off all the shit that make light or noise ESPECIALLY your phone
Seriously the smartphone is one of the biggest killers of sleep. A notification pings and you go GOTTA CHECK, annoying blinking lights, screen lighting up, etc. Put it out of arm's reach somewhere the light can't reach you.
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>>35178157

I don't eat breakfast but yeah I sometimes feel tops immediately after waking up. Full of adrenaline, almost. Coincided with really nailing down a sleep schedule.
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>>35177781
Brown girls have much better chests than white ones t b h
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Hey guys. I posted a squat form check in here a while back and you folks told me it was pretty good. I still haven't made any progress though. Still stuck at a measly 155 3x5 for lowbar, and 165 3x5 for highbar. This tells me that it's obviously a form issue, but everybody who has seen me squat says it loss fine. What do?

>inb4 eat more
My deadlift went from 135 to 325 in the time it took for my back squat to go from 95-155.
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>>35178190
Yea, I have f.lux already installed.

Let's say I set a fixed sleeping cycle, then i still wonder how many hours to go for.

Obviously, aiming for 9 hours is going to rob more off my time.
And I am not sure if 9 hours is considered needed or "better" than say 7.

I had many days where I went to bed early and was able to get 8-9 hours of sleep in.

But the next day I still fall asleep sitting in the bus - I don't get it.

>>35178193

So tiredness doesn't overcome you at inactive moments (such as riding the bus) and makes you want to sleep?

I really wonder this because unless I actively do something (doesn't have to be physical) I tend to become really dizzy.

Isn't it the same for you guys?
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>>35178241

not really, no. Sometimes if I'm feeling dozy I'll go get some caffeine, usually coinciding with the low points on pic related (in time since waking up, not absolute time on x-axis)
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>>35178193
>I don't eat breakfast

Literally how it is the best meal of the day!

>>35178241
>I tend to become really dizzy.


No. I sleep a full 8 hrs a night. So I'll usually go to bed at around 10:30 giving myself and hour allowance to actually fall asleep, as my alarm wakes me up at 7:30, usually with one pee break in the middle of the night (lol old man).

No naps, no nodding off. I used to operate like you mate, I used to dose off on buses because I thought I could function on six hours of sleep. Getting my sleep schedule in a row changed my life.
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>>35178284
Do you have a set work/school schedule to?
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>>35178251
The y-axis somewhat represents a value that stands in correlation with feeling awake?

Caffeine somehow doesn't do it for me - it makes up for a really nasty feeling when I take it trying to defeat tiredness.
I become really fucking twitchy, both mentally and physically.

That's provably because I am used to it only before I work out and then my body kind of expects me to workout then.
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>>35178284

my condition means that I go through phases of extreme oesophageal irritation, and from when I wake up to an hour or two after it's at its worst. If I eat something during that period I'm usually ill for the rest of the day

I can sometimes wait an hour or two after waking up but by then I'm usually pretty busy

>>35178322

yeah cortisol is a stress hormone that keeps you alert.

Maybe find some alternatives to caffeine, like taking a walk or stretching or something?
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>>35178284
Sounds good, old man.

How do you wake up? Does the alarm get you up or do you wake up shortly before it does?

I guess I really have to get my sleeping schedule in, I hate this state of tiredness so much.
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>>35175835
>tfw thats the cutest thing ever
Have some OC I just made
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>>35178334
Alternatives ... Yea, I should find something.

At work I usually chug down liters of water.
It's refreshing my mind and well, having to pee is kind of awakening too, lol.

But there should be a better way.
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>>35178241
Give yourself a 9 hour window in which to sleep, and then see where your best performance is. You obviously don't HAVE to sleep for all 9 of them, but allowing yourself that window will work wonders until you find how much works best for you
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>>35178396
Yea, I will begin tonight starting at 9 and tomorrow I will see how I do with 8.

Will be interesting to see if I can fall asleep.
Might as well get some melatonin and see if it does something for me.


How do you set up your sleeping environment guys?
I couldn't decide between shutting everything to absolute darkness and leaving one window uncovered and window wide open to get that fresh air in.


Going with window uncovered and fresh air in.
Not sure though.
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>>35178251

Does eating tank cortisol levels?

Ive dedicated this year to experiments and one of them was to see which foods allow me to perform the best in the gym. I tried a mix of macros, timing, sodium, hydration, and etc.

Ive had some good workouts but also many disappointing ones even if i repeated the diet. The food wasnt really making the difference i guess.

Ironically its when i stopped eating in the mornings that my workouts became awesome. Going fasted with 1g glutamine and 200mg caffine pill has given me 14/15 days of consecutive training that was great. I didnt feel lethargic or weak at all those 14 days.

What do u got to say about this?
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>>35178447

no idea, everyone responds differently. I've tried working out fasted and it only really works first thing in the morning after a coffee or two. Otherwise I'm a wreck (like if I go at midday having not eaten). As soon as I feel hungry during a workout, I know it's gonna be shit.
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>>35178455

Yeah, Ive actually gone to workout fasted after 6-7 hours of manual labor and it still went well. I know that hunger feeling though, once the tummy starts growling it's a wrap.

It's just food is so unpredictable. Some days it gives you such a nice edge, and other days your body just gives out on you. I cant even lift 80%. Going hungry I can always go 100.

I basically wake up, brush teeth, and go lift and it's been working well.
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>>35178480

yeah, if I had the schedule to do that I would. Ah well.
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>>35178426
I work graveyard shift, so I have to sleep during the afternoon, so for me less light is more better. I just turn on the ceiling fan for a little white noise and air circulation
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>>35178494

http://easacademy.org/trainer-resources/article/why-breakfast-is-the-most-important-meal-of-the-day-eas-academy

>Second, breakfast immediately lowers the blood level of the stress hormone cortisol, which peaks during the early morning hours

well that was easy.

Something for me to think about again.

You got any questions by any chance? I did a lot of stuff this year. Ive dropped protein intake, Ive done a bulgarian routine, I played with muscle transfer, and many other stuff.
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>>35178519

not off the top of my head. You notice anything from dropping protein intake? I haven't, and I went from around 140g/day to less than 80 with no significant changes.
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>>35178519
I would ask about muscle transfer but I'm gonna hit the hay soon and I should Google it first anyway
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>>35178447
For me high protein in the morning gets me awake the most.

Doc supports this and says it's the way to go.
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>>35178513
Alright, I see, thanks for the input anon, good digging!
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>>35178528

I dropped from 160 to 80. Basically got rid of breakfast and protein shake. My total still went up from 1265 to 1405 even though i wasn't really focusing on making it grow.

I noticed a lot less gas and trips to the bathroom. My wallets pretty happy too.

I did gain 8 pounds in the year which isnt too bad.

>>35178542

Muscle xfer is some weird shit I thought of one day. Ill type it out in a sec. You basically focus on accessory lifts and then you completely stop doing them for a while. Those gains u made in the accessories then go to your compounds.
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>>35178563

yeah that more or less confirmed what I was thinking. I'm glad I don't have to take supps anymore, that's for sure.

by the way, you can use food (or powerade) to lower cortisol during long workouts, I think. Makes for a more productive session.
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>>35178563

I got sick of stalling on compounds and began to do DB rows, incline DB press, and lat pulldowns. I just wanted to see any kind of progress.

I really rarely do these lifts so they blew up really quickly. Rowing 120's for 10 became a joke and think I started with 80s.

So my compounds didn't drop doing accessories, but they did wear me down and I couldn't get past my plateau furthermore. I slowly began to focus on compounds again and just completely drop accessories, and it got me over my plateau. When I went to do the accessories again I actually lost some strength on them.

So I guess in theory, doing the accessories increased my energy levels enough to get me past a plateau on my compounds and the progress i made with accessories transferred over to my compounds.

Like the body thought I need to stay in homeostasis and doing a bigger bench is risky! But then I did easy stuff and it was like, well shit now we have to actually work and use some resources.

So then once you peak on accessories your energy threshold is really high because the body is expecting to do the accessories and the compounds. But you only do compounds for the next few weeks and those resources the body finally put together go to your bench and squat instead.
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As an aside, I just realized that I knew Hakeem Olajuwon but didn't know who he was at the time. Crazy
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>>35178574

I was thinking of eating a grapefruit tomorrow or maybe licorice supplement to maintain high cortisol for the whole workout. You think Im crazy?
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>>35178674

I was under the impression cortisol was catabolic, so... idk. I mean, it's not like you rebuild during lifting necessarily but give it a shot. Might feel like caffeine
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>>35178674
I take 3 scoops of gatorade powder(66g carbs) with my preworkout stims. Despite cutting on cyclefag-tier kcal, I seem to make it through just fine with 90-120 minute workouts on Cube.
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>>35178682

Well Ill use caffeine too.

Ill let things get all anabolic after my epic lift session.
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been swamped with schoolwork for the last week so havent lifted in 4 days and i already feel like killing someone. contemplating busting out a deadlift session to fill the void but i dunno man
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>>35178519
Asked this in qtddtot but got no replies, and I'm focused on powerlifting anyway so:

I had a huge breakfast about 2.5 hours before training and felt like passing out after doing some heavy sets, and though bulking I've felt very low on energy the whole time. Has anyone experienced this? Should I recheck my calorie intake (might do this first and foremost as I've only put on about 1 kg in like 1.5 months). But even so, training just under/over maintenance shouldn't make me feel like shit should it? As a side I do walk for a couple of hours everyday and run three times a week, should I drop off some of the walking?
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>>35177942
Adam get off 4chan
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>>35178682
>>35178563

I really really want to stop eating all those protons (currently 180g a day @ 100kg bw, something like 18% bf) and I know Phil said he rarely gets over 100g of protein a day but I am kinda spooked of losing gains.

When you said you eat 80g of protein a day, do you mean TOTAL total protein intake, protein from all sources (grains, etc) included, or DEDICATED total protein (meat, eggs, shakes...)?

What is your caloric intake?

I really hate building my diet around a single macro. I'd be happy if I could stop caring about protein intake.
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>>35178795
Don't drop off walking.
Maybe make running a bit easier/less intense/shorter or drop it to one session and slowly build up back to three.
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>tfw starting to develop APT again
I thought I was done with it since last year, stretching is too boring desu
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>>35179016
You poking your ass out at the gym again for all the boys to see?
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>>35179185
M-maybe
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>>35177942
>>35175581
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Sailing world cup starts tomorow lads, goal is not to come last.
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>>35176065
I've been 165ish for a year. I think I'm less fat now. Not hugely noticeable though
>>35176757
Welcome back friendo. How do you place 5th at nationals squatting high bar?
>>35177781
Fucking ree
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>>35175835
is that joes gf?
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>>35177781
Could you please stop triggering me with your height
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>>35177781
Gay cunt
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>>35178865
>I know Phil said he rarely gets over 100g of protein a day but I am kinda spooked of losing gains.
he said that was without whey protein, which he drinks 1 shake of every day
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>>35178865

I meant total including grains. What you gotta do man is just take a month or 2 and slowly drop your protein intake and see what happens. If youre feeling lethargic and making no gains maybe youre just the kind of person that needs 180 a day. I read on bayesian that veteran lifters need less and less protein as we approach the natty limit so thats another factor. I did eat 160-180g per day for over 2yrs.

Yesterday i ate a lamb gyro in pita bread and a large chicken broc from chinese. Thats it. I just hit the gym and i was fine.
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Does anyone else thin everyone but Isley in the 93kg class was roiding? Literally Isley was the only fat bloated out of place person there and everyone else was jacked and shredded
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Lads I'm so hyped for skills test that I find myself constantly picturing the squat and going through my breathing while I'm laying in bed.
I want it so bad.
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>>35180272
Mirin ninja bully
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Adding Olympic rings to my gym for dips and pull ups(to start with)
Should I be getting wooden ones or metal? And how much should I be spending? Any other tips would be appreciated
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>>35180317
whats going on in that pic. I don't know that game
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>>35180349
Holy shit your home gym is fucking pathetic
Mine blows yours out of the water
>>35180331
Don't you think so?
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>>35180418
>>35180418
and to think of the days you refused to squat
proud of ya lad
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>>35180418
looks funny, maybe I'll give it a try after civ 5 bores me.
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>>35178622
probably one of the most bro-sciencey bullshit I've ever seen here
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Been doing SL for 8 months. Last few months deadlift form was bad and rounded. I tried Sumo yesterday for the first time.
vid me /87Mr
How is it? Should I do this instead of conventional?
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Btw it isn't Sean posting
It's a 12 year old pretending to be sean
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>>35180894
Nah that was me tb.h
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4lDW4TDV7pA#t=528
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IS ISLEY HERE?
I NEED HIM URGENTLY
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>>35181160
Why? Making too much progress?
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>>35181215
Literally yes.
I want to know how he lost lowerbody mass for rowing.
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>>35181229
By rowing
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>>35181251
How do I do it without cardio.
I'm sick of the joke answers, I hate my body and don't want to power lift anymore.
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>>35181261
Not a joke answer its his answer

Stop eating so much and youll lose weight

I bet you arent that big anyway
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>>35181274
Fucking lol

Holy bully
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>>35181274
Yeah I'm not. thats my problem. I need to lose lower body mass to make my upper body look normal.

I'm currently bulking though, will retain muscle if I dont train legs at all?
I haven't completely lost my mind, I will Sauat again but not until things catch up.
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Normies mirin my 4plaet SLDL, sure feels good to lift with my normie buddies
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>>35181417
4pl8 sldl aint bad even for non normies
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Good program to run at the same time as another sport?
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>>35181425
Next thing you're gonna say is a less than 2xbw squat is good for normies kek
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>>35181313
ffs Dino
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Explain legdrive to me please.

Some seem to be saying that legdrive is just to maximize your arch and you should stay static and push as much as you can.
Other people seem to be saying its a way of catapulting the weight up a small distance.
So what is correct plg overlords?
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>>35181426
juggernaut or 5/3/1
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Is it normal to cry when hitting a PR? I squatted 325 today and cried afterwards. Not a girl.
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>>35177884
>natty potential
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need 20kg for my bench
25kg for my squat
30kg for my deadlift

to reach 2/3/4

HOW do I escape dyelmode? what program should I do?
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>>35181466
wat

>>35181541
1) SS until you can't
2) TM until you can't
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>>35181541
get the sheiko app then let the app chose program for you
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>>35181573
i total 350kg you really think i should be doing sheiko
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>>35180663

One day a long long time ago, your sheiko and candito routines were broscience too.
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>>35181575
>let the app chose program for you
how can you not understand that this implies that the app has programs for different stages of lifters
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>>35181573
you really think that he is advanced enough for sheiko to be worthwhile?

>>35181575
you should not do sheiko
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>>35181341
I wasnt here for it. I post when i feel like it. Which isnt much these days now these threads have gone to shit
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>>35181450
bump
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>>35181588
the app has a novice program. Sheiko is more than just the under 80kg and over 80kg programs
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>>35181606
>threads have gone to shit
Actually for the past week they've been mainly lifting related with minimal shot posting
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>>35181626
yes, I realize that. but for a novice lifter, there are far better things to be doing than sheiko-style programming. Let alone the fact that the app is like $13 and for novice lifters there is a virtually endless supply of programs and information on the internet >for free
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>>35181649
>but for a novice lifter, there are far better things to be doing than sheiko-style programming
sheiko is very powerlifting specific and has coached powerlifting for 25+years. What things are far better?

>Let alone the fact that the app is like $13 and for novice lifters there is a virtually endless supply of programs and information on the internet >for free
It is not that expensive for everything you get with it it also has videos on all the lifts. It is still not expensive at all even if you are a student I think you can find some money for it
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>>35181570
ho lee fuck, who is that????????????????????/
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just bought a mora companion knife lads, it was only $10.99 with a coupon tbf
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>>35181694
Ew desu.
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What happened to plg
Also thanks for sticking round boardie
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>>35181675
>What things are far better?
for making faster progress, SS, TM, c6w come to mind. If he's a novice lifter, why should he bother with a 12 week cycle when he can advance daily, or weekly on SS or TM?

There is nothing wrong with sheiko, just he could progress faster on something simpler.

>It is not that expensive for everything you get with it it also has videos on all the lifts
I have the app and I think it is very worth the money for where I am in my lifting career. I just don't think he needs it quite yet.

>>35181678
I dunno mayn. check in /wsg/ in the you boner you lose thread, that's where I found it
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>>35181694
>tfwnobf so buy companion knives instead for company
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>>35181710
>>35181678
vica kerekes
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>>35181710
>why should he bother with a 12 week cycle
you have clearly no idea of how the sheiko novice program look so everything you say is irrelevant
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>>35181586
Your logic is more akin to muscle confusion, which is still broscience.
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>>35181710
>when he can advance daily, or weekly on SS or TM?

where did the "if you don't add weight you aren't progressing" meme come from?

it needs to die
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>>35181725
ok I just looked in the app.
for beginner programs, it has a 4 week prep cycle and a 4 week comp cycle.
so I was wrong that it's 12 weeks, but still, an 8 week cycle for a novice lifter is ridiculous.

>>35181719
tyvm
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>>35181705
>implying you'll find a better beater/edc for under $50
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>>35181719
ily
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Tfw deadlift and squat suck ass

Body pls>>35181748
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>>35181748
>where did the "if you don't add weight you aren't progressing" meme come from?
people who like adding weight to the bar
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>>35181787
Don't know why it linked that post shits unrelated to my weak ass lifts
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>>35181725
Not the guy you were talking to - but i just looked up the 6 week novice routine

If it is the right one:
>box squats
>incline press
>push ups
>rack pulls
>seated goodmorning

How the fuck do people think this is legit? how is box squatting twice a week better than doing the full squat 3 times a week for a novice? Whats the benefit for a novice who barely has the full lifts down to do all these variations?
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>>35181748
If you aren't increasing volume frequency or/and intensity you aren't progressing.

This is axiomatic.
>>
Is anyone here good with diet?

I could use some advice as to how to reach my goals...
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>>35181849
>calories in vs calories out depending on goals
>paleo for lifters or iifym (former is better)
>take a vit supp and fish oil
>enjoy a takeaway a once or twice a week no matter what diet
>season your damn food
>drink your damn water
I dont think anyone really needs to know more than this
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>>35181806
>How the fuck do people think this is legit? how is box squatting twice a week better than doing the full squat 3 times a week for a novice? Whats the benefit for a novice who barely has the full lifts down to do all these variations?

boris' thought is that it's easier to teach people simplified or partial ROM versions of the lifts and progress to the full lifts
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>>35181833
and sheiko increases volume/intensity during the cycle
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>>35181849
Ask Isley his body is prime condition
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>>35181884
I want that dickskin look though
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>>35181919
>clenbuterol + deficit
>water cut
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>>35181884
Except anyone who's ever studied nutrition, but yeah to the clueless powerlifter, sure
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>>35181919
tren and dnp

>>35181989
>clen
do you want to end up like zyzz?
>>
hey Isley
Post a picture of your fat disgusting body, I need a laugh
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>>35175581
Newb here
I've had the best upper body (for the interests of the thread, read bench) gains on candito's split. But I had to switch to 3 days TM because time limitations. Squat and DL are progressing fine, but bench not only stalled but regressed even: 2 and 1 weeks ago I did 87.5x5 and today I did 87.5x5, 87.5x4, 85x5 and I stopped there.
>the actual question
Is it alright if I keep doing volume day every day for bench and OHP?
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>>35182036
Zyzz was natty
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>>35181760
In terms of the blade? Maybe not, idk

But I don't want to EDC a fixed blade and I do not want to hold that handle
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>>35181990
>thinking you need to extensively study nutrition past what I've outlined to meet pretty much any goal
someone a bit salty they wasted their degree on something like nutrition?
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>>35182071
>Salty
UGH
>>
Deadlift day today, the injury is still there, but it healed so much more quickly this time. Took me a whole week on not lifting to get to this point. Would LOVE to pull my prescribed work weight, but I know that would be dumb.
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>>35182071
OH no I didn't study nutrition lmao just pointing out the obviousness of the stupidness of your post
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>>35182105
You forgot to tell us what captain log it was
Lmao fagit
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>>35182113
but you do believe that you need to extensively study nutrition do lead a generally healthy life while reaching goals of losing/gaining weight?
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>>35182131
I wasn't debating that I was disagreeing with this
>I dont think anyone really needs to know more than this
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>>35182155
Fine

I dont think anyone (here) needs to know more than this (for the purpose of reaching most body composition goals)

>arguing over nuances and technicalities
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>>35182181
Your mothers pussy stanks
Peeeiooo
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Is this normal for starting hook grip?
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>>35182202
No and why are you lifting weights in your garage you poorfag

Go get a gym membership
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>>35182123

Captain's logs are for post workout diaries, friend.

>>35182181

It never hurts to have some basic knowledge. Highschool Biology and few Coursera courses can go a long way in helping you understand the body. If we're going to be athletes, this sort of information can only help us be better.
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>>35182202
put some tape on your thumb next time like the oly lifters do
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>>35182202

That's fuckin metal, m8.

Go show the /owg/ lads, they may get a kick out of it.
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>>35182224
do you need to understand anatomy/physiology past a very basic level to execute a good squat?

>can it help?
ya
>do you need it?
na
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>>35182236
Good weightlifters like Klokov and Ilyin just use mixed-grip
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>>35182236
Is that allowed in a meet though
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>>35182249

Eh, depends on what you define as basic. It can really be helpful in diagnosing form dysfunction, or injuries.
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>>35182220
>he doesn't have a state of the art home gym
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>>35182271
again.

>can it >>help<<?
ya
>do you >>need<< it?
na
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>>35181759
>but still, an 8 week cycle for a novice lifter is ridiculous.
Why?
>>
r8 my sumo form
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLI--JF6VwM
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@35182220
>owning my own house and state of the art homegym at 22
>poorfag

Good one pozzboy.
>>
How does Sean get the emojis to show up in the name field?

whenever I try to use one there they never display when I post
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>>35182265

IPF allows it, yup

"Two layers of medical tape may be worn around the thumbs. Medical tape or its like may not be worn anywhere
else on the body without official permission of the Jury, or Chief Referee. Medical tape may not be used as aids tothe lifter in holding the bar." ("Technical Rules Book of the International Powerlifting Federation." 2015. Web.)
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>>35182298
because you gotta add weight to the bar every session and grind every rep
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>>35182298
because they could be adding weight to the bar every workout, or every week
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>>35182220
>he doesn't have a state of the art home gym
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>>35182321
Why not just up your computer max by 2.5kg per week?
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>>35182306
I can't anymore moot took that away like 6 months ago like a fucking fagit I think he did that to spite me
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>>35182293

Do you need it to be your very best?
>ya
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>>35182321
this>>35182336
also volume increases throughout the cycle, it takes into account that the novice will get stronger
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>>35182343
No you don't
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>>35182321
For how long?
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>>35182367

Yes you do.

Ok this argument isn't gonna go anywhere.
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>>35182374
until they can't
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>>35182393
And what will they do then?
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>>35182403
c6w, TSA 9 week, intermediate sheiko, just something that has some periodization/peaking
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>>35182403
Reduce volume
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>>35182384
You're so fucking stupid it hurts

Ray Williams can't even read yet look where he is

Fuck outta here with your bullshit you ain't captain of nothing you more like a big pile of shit in the toilet
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>>35182343
is that why all the people at the top are experts in technique, programming, nutrition etc.?
>oh wait

you dont need to understand everything like you're implying. if you have a specific problem, look into how to alleviate that problem.

I didnt say
>there will never be a case where you have to go beyond base knowledge
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>>35182447
>ck outta here with your bullshit you ain't captain of nothing you more like a big pile of shit in the toilet
Holy fucking shit captain pile of shit in the toilet just got wrecked
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>>35182447

Are you suggesting that Ray Williams wouldn't be better than he is now if he had a better understanding of Biology?

>>35182460
>you dont need to understand everything like you're implying. if you have a specific problem, look into how to alleviate that problem.

So to get better, you're saying one should increase their knowledge? Huh.
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>>35182511

Let's just turn my trip back on then
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>>35182511
>Are you suggesting that Ray Williams wouldn't be better than he is now if he had a better understanding of Biology?
That's the world's stupidest argument you absolute moron and please leave your trip on so you stay filtered

Him knowing biology would not allow him to lift more weight
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>>35182523
CAPTAIN

PILE

OF

SHIT


IN

THE

TOILET
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>>35182523
why don't you actually finish the post in >>35182460
and get back to me.

to make it a bit clearer for you,
>>35182181
>I dont think anyone (here) needs to know more than this (for the purpose of reaching most body composition goals)
you're going to the extreme thinking someone said "you can be brain dead and still be the best"

If you think you're not doing better because you just gotta read more, I have some horrible news for you,
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Will the diet of a powerlifter, kill me later?
I mean, sure I am pigging out like a true fatboi, and gaining strength, but will I get to 50 and suddenly HNNNNGG?
We are young for now, but what are the consequences of a strength athlete?
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>>35182428
Ok, so if we say that a lifter goes SS-->TM-->intermediate sheiko, he will probably have faster initial weight progression than someone who does Sheiko-->Sheiko-->Sheiko. That's because the focus of Sheiko is to set you up for a career of powerlifting, so optimising form and building your work capacity is prioritized over adding weight to the bar.

Meanwhile the volume is constant in SS(and changes slightly depending on how you program TM), meaning that you force progression through adding weight to the bar. Technique and work capacity naturally suffers(compared to the guy on sheiko) since you can't do as many reps with good form if intensity is too high. This will make his transition into more advanced programming harder since he lacks work capacity.

I'd say that the guy on sheiko builds a better base for the next 40 years of his lifting career while the guy on SS gets some instant gratification and has to waste time building work capacity and optimising technique when he's done with TM.
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>>35182608
We all die someday
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>>35182532
>Him knowing biology would not allow him to lift more weight

I disagree. I also think it would enable him to train better, more efficiently, and more safely.

>>35182563
>If you think you're not doing better because you just gotta read more, I have some horrible news for you,

I can agree with this, but conversely, if you are shunning any sort of research because you think it's useless, you're doing yourself a great disservice.

>>35182608

Forget the dietary implications, all our injuries are going to come back and just fuck us when we're old men.
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>>35182664
If anyone was questioning whether or not Layne Norton is natty, there's your answer

Proof that he's always been natty too as opposed to guys like Candito who pretend not to know anything about PEDs in an effort to cover up their own use
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>>35182690
How would a knowledge of biology allow him to train better?

At this point I'm beginning to question whether or not you're able to read beyond a very base level
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>CaptainPooptine getting BTFO from all sides

This is why you don't post with a trip, there's no coming back from a devastation like this.
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He ain't a captain of anything
He a pile of shit in the toilet
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>>35182690
You keep bringing up points as if they counter my claims
>what is strawmaning

did I say all research past the basic level is useless and should be thrown out the window?
>na
did I posit that for the most part most people will do very well with just basic fundamanetal knowledge?
>ya

I said you dont >>>need<<< it, to which you disagreed.
So you're implying
>in order to get anywhere, you NEED to have extensive knowledge around everything.

I don't talk in absolutes like you do. you're just digging yourself a hole here.
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>>35182700
>Some kind of steroid, like trentosteronolol quintmethylchrysanthemum
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CAPTAINPILEOFSHITINTHETOILET ON SUICIDE WATCH!
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>>35182722
>How would a knowledge of biology allow him to train better?

Being able to quickly identify and diagnose physiological issues in training

An understanding of musculature can help identify potential injuries or weakpoints

A scientific understanding of nutrition, and how the body utilizes fuel, builds muscle, and fights infection all help the athlete approach diet most effectively.

Of course, it's entirely possible to outsource all of this knowledge to a coach.
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If I just squat 2pl8 will that retain my lowerbody mass or decrease it?

I'm looking to finally fix my upperbody.
Benching 60kg 3x5 on Friday if I've fixed my form like I felt I did today.
Or stalling 60kg 3x5 on Friday however you best see it.


Pls acknowledge me
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>>35182794
AHAHAHA nigga you a fuckn pile of shit in the toilet
Capn my ass toilet boy
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>>35182806
>squat 2pl8
>lowerbody mass
Keep on squatting
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>>35182820
I know you're Sean but pls acknowledge me
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>>35182762

What I actually said was that to be your best, knowledge beyond basic anatomy is required ( >>35182343), but the burden of proof is impossible to lift, because neither of us will be able to prove that an athlete would be better off ignorant or knowledgeable.

If you can quote where I said anything close to what you insist I imply, I'd be happy to retract it and apologise.

I just think it's ridiculous to assume that knowledge cannot aid the lifter train optimally.
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>>35182836
I squat 60kilo over that number, I'm looking to maintain or decrease my lower body mass so I can become benching brother.
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>>35182794
What will make you the best lifter that you can be is proper programming, which doesn't require a knowledge of biology, and eating enough which again doesn't require a knowledge of biology

All the books in the world aren't gonna make up for your shitty genetics and the sooner you come to grips with that the better off you will be
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>>35182877
>>35182836
Pls talk to me
See I trip now pls acknowledge me
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>>35182857
>What will make you the best lifter that you can be is proper programming

This is part of the equation, yes. But a fundamental understanding of how the body responds to that programming, and why it works, is extremely useful in adapting that programming to your needs, or having the confidence to not fuck with it.
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Nice bait, I almost took it.
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>>35182905
Lol just lift weights man it ain't rocket science
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>>35182905
You don't need biology to know how you respond to training all you need is the ability to have a memory stronger than that of a goldfish

I know you think you're being intelligent and gaining some sort of competitive edge by reading some pubmed articles about muscle adaptation and whatnot but at the end of the day you'll still be the same shitty lifter that you were before you read the article
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>>35182846
As I said, my main point was you don't need it. It can help in specific situations, but that does not constitute a 'need' like you imply. And yes, it is implied since you disagreed with me saying you don't need it. See how that works?

You chirping in like a faggot going
>well it can help if you want to optimise your training!
is not helpful, nor does it disprove my point, yet you used it as if it did
>implying the point you dont need it is wrong
>implying you do need it

You are honestly the worst person to argue with, its like talking to a retarded child who keeps slightly changing his argument and just wants to argue so he can disagree with the person and feel like he's smart

>>35182905
and here just shows your misunderstanding that everyone will do better with a biology background

its very very easy to accidentally do amazing in lifting. biomechanics are based on what we can do naturally, and going into the nuances of it will not optimise past a point - that point being very base knowledge.
>what is the point of deteriorating returns

And if you imply cues such as
>knees out
>chest up
>lower back tight
are far past basic knowledge, or everyone somehow needs to know more, then I'm done arguing with someone who knows very little about this topic and just wants to argue for the sake of arguing.

>inb4 hur dur your mad for writing all that
its 7:30 on a tuesday and I'm doing coursework. this is much more entertaining/worth my time.
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>>35183006
iktf
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Everytime I feel like lifting hurts me, I think of "everybody want to be a huge ass man but aint nobody want to lift huge ass weights" or when I feel like I won't finish the set as scheduled, I think of the people wanting to see me fail so they can feel better about themselves, and I finish the set.
Was a bit unreal during dips today. I forgot to pack 5kg between my legs and started doing them, wondered why it's so easy and stopped after the fourth rep. Decided to pause for a minute and do it normal with the 5kg added.
Made it but I've never been so close to failing the dips as I was today.

Thanks for reading
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>he think people bother to read his shit
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>>35183006
>I get asspained about 4chan posts

Time to step away from the computer and reevaluate your life, youngblood
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>>35182992
>slightly changing his argument

From my initial contribution to the argument, I haven't changed my stance at all, which is, to be your best, knowledge is required. I even agreed with you that knowledge won't make up for a deficit in training or dedication. So any sort of antagonizing qualities you find in my argument, are illusions which you have dreamed up yourself. And unfortunately for both of us, neither one can scientifically prove our claim.

We cannot possibly take the same lifter and deny him advanced knowledge of the anatomy, and take a carbon copy of that lifter and grant him that same knowledge in order to compare.

However in any debate it's not your opponent you're trying to convince, so I leave it to anyone reading our argument to decide whether or not biological research will make them the best they can be.

I suggest you return to your coursework. It was a good debate, but I don't see it going anywhere from here.
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>mfw I just realized I didn't eat yesterday
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>>35183118
How is that even possible
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>>35183118

What?

How? Food is love, food is life!
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>>35183141
>>35183144
School gym and work all rammed together too closely to eat.

I was honestly too stressed (read: suicidal) to even realize I was hungry.
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>>35183082
Im so fucking done with your straw man approach of arguing.
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>>35183156
pls eat bby girl
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>1 banana and a sandwich with coffee in the morning
>1/2 kg chicken with spaghetti and milk
>6 chocolate balls
>Almost a kg quark
>7 fried eggs with tuna topped with loads of bearnaise sauce and some kind of chili sauce
How's the bulk going lads?
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>>35183156

Take care of yrself ƒam
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>>35183208
>How's the bulk going lads?

Just finished eating breakfast, about to cook lunch, and then head to the gym.

>>35183164

I didn't straw man once, friend. In fact, I didn't contend your original argument at all. I simply posited that to be your best, you should be knowledgeable about the body - you then disagreed with me. You picked the fight, and time and time again failed to disprove my statement, which is unfair, because it was a statement impossible to prove or disprove, but remember that you picked the fight.

These two statements are not in contention of one another:

>To be good, you don't need an advanced knowledge of biology

>To be your very best, you need an advanced knowledge of biology

Let it rest lad.
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>>35183208
Just had some peanut butter crackers. Look out world
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>>35183302
>water loading
>2 gallons down
>cant stop pissing
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>>35183264
>>35183264
>>To be your very best, you need an advanced knowledge of biology
Kek. Ask Jesse Norris where his Brunner's glands are.

I remember when osmosis helped me through a bad bench stall...
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>>35183118
I honestly can't even fall asleep if I haven't eaten in the last 4 hours
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>>35183264
address the second part of
>>35182992
why do you think people need to know more past basic cues.

do you think to walk people need to be taught anatomy/physiology?
>but squatting is more technical than walking!
squatting is a fundamental human movement pattern.
and the extra stuff like bracing when adding weight is not 'advanced biology'

could you lay out one example of advanced biology, and explain how without it being taught, the lifter is worse off.

and dont pussyfoot like you've been doing. be fucking straight as if you actually believe what you're saying you weak-willed sack of shit.
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>>35183349
If I squat 2pl8 for 5 reps and don't go over for a while, will my leg size decrease?
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>>35183396
I slept like fucking shit last night f a m

I feel like shit today

Can't tell if it's that or the God damn stress from finals.

I don't even have a fucking appetite right now at all

And I can't tell if I just felt an earthquake or if I'm about to pass out

If I die tell my mom I love her
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>few days ago was 216lbs
>yesterday was 213lbs
>10 minutes ago I was 207

LADS

WHAT IS GOING ON
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>>35183397

You seem very well entrenched in your defense of ignorance.

I guess you're right. Sure. You win. I can't think of an example where having knowledge of biology makes you the best you can be.
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>>35183429

>bagkekboy is literally mentally worst off than PanzerJager
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>>35183452
I completely agree with him desu, going far beyond the knowledge you need is generally a time waster. Studying real analysis won't make you better at doing integrals than if you just practiced the fuck out of doing integrals, no matter how much more you understand what's happening.
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>>35183452
its not about defending ignorance you piss baby

why waste time, effort and money delving into topics you dont NEED to understand, when the basic understanding will more than suffice for the purpose of carrying out your goals?

why read a whole fucking nutrition textbook when I already know the basics such as
>simple carbs fast
>complex carbs slow
>eat protein
>eat fat

I can be pursuing worthwhile enterprises instead of learning every component of the muscle, because I already know how to squat - knowing how the vastus med is different from the vastus lat will not help me, no matter what you choose to believe.
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>>35183459
Nice try panzer twink but your names panzertwink
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>>35183450

this

wtf is going on
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>>35183651
You must have made a captainpoutine
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>>35183681
>>35183681
>>35183681
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>>35178212
Get a belt
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