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cheating frauds general

>/PLG/ VS /FRAUD/ edition*

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>>35173501
>If there's one fact about steroids, it's that they do literally stunt your growth
lolno
an increase in estrogen does
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>>35173529
to be fair, you re massively increasing chances of having an estrogen spike by hopping on.
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>>35173529
which is caused by aromatization via gear use

they stunt growth, there is no denying this

doesn't mean they aren't fuking gr8 when done right
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>>35173537
true
but ai tho

>>35173542
true
but ai tho
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>>35173558
He dead.
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On my way to anger management.
Not looking forward to this at all.
Anybody got experience with it?
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Gavin, you said your shipment got held up?
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>>35173537
>>35173542

See my last post in previous thread.

And yes, dear lord my chest genetics are awful but I also just finished a 30lb bulk. It looks less shit sub-10%.

Probably will never do well in Junior Nationals but I could definitely win a qualifying show.

Classic Physique pepper your angus.
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>>35173553
yeah if done right. i dont think id trust a kid to handle that properly though. hormonal teenage shit will probably make them struggle to gauge all that crap

spending the next 40 years without 3 inches of height in exchange for 2 years earlier on the gains train doesnt seem like a big pay off to me.
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>>35173591
i thought you wised up to the lean and bulk and lean and bulk rollercoaster.

dont you think you'd have more gains if you simply did a clean cut and skipped the process of getting lean?
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>>35173579
I had to go to something similar
"adult life skills"
wasn't 2bad at all
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>>35173586

Got ripped off $700 which fucked me.

I can't hold off any longer though so I'm ordering tonight.

Assuming customs doesn't fuck either of us I should be able to get to you before months end.

Will need a few new ones too for fresh conpounds.
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>>35173618

where do you get all the money from? you're literally 18
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>>35173599
For fuckin real.
Does having longer total arm length compared to total height mean your growth was stunted?
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tinygirl, you ITT?
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>>35173617
There a lot of fucked up people in there?
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>>35173646
most of us are, yup
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>>35173627
dont think so mate.

it just means you re genetically closer to gorillas than most of us
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trip report

>didn't die at chem's
>did lose like 5lbs in 3 days though

found out I've got p good tolerance for stims and mapb, and absolutely zero for weed

off to see how bad my lifts got hit
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>>35173638
She isn't here m8. She's got your skype, if she wants to get ahold of you she will.
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To the hates that doubted my rpg tinder way of life, I am going to start saving these conversations. Be ready in this thread or the next for how to get laid while pretending to be a minstrel.
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>>35173667
:c
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>>35173662
>it just means you re genetically closer to gorillas than most of us
I've got a friend like that. He's 6'1" but has the the wingspan of someone who's 6'8".
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>>35173680
Didn't mean to harsh your mellow friend. But, you gotta face facts.
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>>35173677
Isn't a minstrel a chocolate?
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>>35173699
I used to work for someone that was about 5'4 but had the wingspan of someone 6'2

his knuckles were below his knees
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>>35173662
>>35173699
How tall is his family though?
Me and my bro both got test problems and we have orangutan arms.
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>>35173666
devil trips of hell confirm good trip

hail satan

surprised he's back into that life though desu, with all the psychosis and everything
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>>35173708
nah it's chilled

not like I'll ever get to do anything with her irl anyway

she's hella qt tho

meh
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>>35173609

Magic.

Now hush before they find me

>>35173613

I was going to try to maintain leanness but I needed to get as large as possible before the end of this month so I can start contest prep.

I went from ~10% to 13.2% with a 30lb gain, not terrible.
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>>35173655
Well at least I can judge silently.
I'm not an angry or violent person at all.
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>>35173727

Got a small bit specifically for his weekend with me.
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Bros I'm on my frist cycle, tren, test, and dbol and I'm only doing bodyweight exercises, how retarded am I?
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>>35173677
Shill them to reddit too.
Betas need all the help they can get.
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>>35173740
>4fingeredFredy
>not angry or violant at all

just doesnt sound right
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>>35173749

More retarded than me and that's pretty hard to pull off.
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>>35173735
my bad and I'm guessing that puts you at an even bigger size than you were pre-death right? pretty gnarly dude.
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>>35173756
Well I'll beat a faggots ass if he won't shut up or stop fuckin with me but other than that I'm a very civil person. I'd rather talk it out.
I was psychotic at the time I got charged and then sentenced to do the anger management.
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>>35173720
I don't know about the rest of his family, but his dad was like 6'4 with the same gorrilla arms.

And a boss walrus mustache. lol

>>35173730
Sea's full of qt fish to put your dick in m8.
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>>35173749
>I'm only doing bodyweight exercises,
wat

>>35173772
well he hasnt said dosages. i think tren might be okay to put into week 12 of a 20 week blast
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>>35173773

I think this is actually the most LBM I've had, heaviest was 202 but that was water.

Got DNP on the way, going to cut to around 165 to see what I'll look like on stage in April.

Should only take a month on DNP/Tren/EC
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>>35173786
Huh. Interesting. Well I feel better kinda knowing I didn't get fucked out of my genetic potential.
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>>35173785
rrrrrrroid
rrrrrrrrage

>>35173786
>Sea's full of qt fish to put your dick in m8.
talking to the festival girl now over texts :)
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>>35173749
Not as retarted as that guy that injected gear into his belly fat and cried when he injected himself. He was doing bodyweight exercises and dnp.

There are a lot of ppl who inject gear and don't even go to the gym. Your no exception
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>>35173809
LOL nah I was clean then.
I'm schizo dude I was manic as fuck.
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Has anyone tried oral stacking? I've heard of people stacking adrol/dbol but I was thinking of stacking 10mg of sdrol with 60mg of tbol for the kickstart of my 20wk test cycle. Using tudca for liver protection
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>>35173715
nah man, this is my inspiration for my new toon
>>35173750
people on r/tinder can't pull this shit off, you need to have an absurd shirtless pick as your profile pic to get away with it. I am sure they will be stolen and posted there anyways once I have some good ones
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>>35173822
>I'm schizo dude
damn
I'm only "mood disorder"
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>>35173812
>>35173799
I went for years but in my country there is a war on aas and they routinely control everyone at random in the gymn
I'm too chickenshit to go tb.h [email protected]
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>>35173830
Lol, what's this shit you do on tinder Breh?
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>>35173825

I have stacked Drol/Dbol, Winny/Var, and Drol/Dbol/Var.
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>>35173842
You live in a country where going to the gym can get you drug tested?
That's fucked up on all kinds of levels. Maybe your government should focus on real problems rather than cracking down on roiders
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>>35173852
How did you feel? Did you get any lethargy? did your liver values turn up ok?
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>>35173850
Posted it in previous thread, see
>>35170204
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>>35173830
B-but brah dem up votes doe
>>35173835
You got lucky man.
But the mental illness is expected, I'm basically a genius.
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>>35173857
Welcome to Belgium, country with an obese minister of health that organizes witch hunts against roiders while you can legally drink yourself to death at age 16

2 more years and I'm leaving this shithole for freemdomland
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>>35173842
So you're from Belgium? It's still retarted to inject gear and don't go to the gym, but that's your own dumb decision
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>>35173883
>, I'm basically a genius.
in what aspect?
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>>35173880

No orals ever stressed my liver.

Drol/Dbol/Var killed my appetite so I stopped it, but it came back after a few days.

Winny makes me feel kind of off, don't like it.

Taking a break from orals since they're pretty pointless on a DNP cut. I'll likely use Epistane through April and stack in Superdrol precontest to fill out.
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>>35173889
My power rack is arriving in a few days, so I'll manage

Also considering joining a hardcore gymn in the netherlands
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>>35173900
>No orals ever stressed my liver.
Mirin' liver fortitude
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>>35173895
When I was 11 my iq tested at 130.
I got my ged when I was 16, which is very unheard of because public school shilling.
Started college at 17, which is a bitch of legal paperwork btw.
I build motors, houses, program apps, etc at 21 years old. While going to school full time.
I don't feel the need to say anything else.
Youll believe or not idgaf.
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>>35173900
>No orals ever stressed my liver.
that you were aware of

>>35173929
If I can believe a obese mexican selling bathtub chemicals over a bukkake image board I can believe that
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>>35173929

I consistently had my IQ test between 132-135, got my GED with a 780/800 battery average at 16, attended community college and worked full time at 16, have supported myself since 17, own a house and two cars at 18, could quit my job if I wanted, and very feasibly net six figures in 2016.

All that, and I'm a fucking retard so really your argument is invalid.
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>>35173929
I have an iq of 132+ on the WAIS ( after a certain point standard IQ tests become inaccurate ) and scored 146 on a speciel IQ test standardized for people in the higher percentiles. I study pure math.

And I've been shitposting on 4chan since I was 14

It all means nothing faggot
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>>35173980

Nobody cares about your personal use sterons order.
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>>35173907
Welke gym?

>>35173994
Give me your lunch money nerd
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>>35173970
>>35173994
LMao whatever guys like I said idgaf.
I wish I could be a math fag but there's no beauty to it for me. I do like the number 3 though.
Biomedical science all the way, for me.
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>people actually posting their ~2σ iqs
I have never told a soul what my iq is; it's all pretty meaningless after 3σ.
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>>35173929
>>35173970
>>35173994
IQ tests don't work all that well because people can fool them or give answers that score higher mistakenly.
Plus it's only a measure of capacity, not knowledge, common sense or skills in general.

That's why you get people like Chen scoring high but being an idiot.
He's not stupid, he just lacks sense.

Fuck I consistently score 150 when tested and have ranked in the top 1% of Aus in school results, but you think I am trying to be a physicist?
Fuck that, too much work. Too much maths
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>>35174023
I do.
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>>35173646
>>35173655
You get sentenced or something?
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>>35174049

Life philosophy:

"Gotta risk it for the biscuit."
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>>35174056
"community service"
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>>35174056
Yessir. Felony domestic abuse.
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>>35174070
Kek
It's clear with some startup capital and someone to prevent you doing insane shit like getting off your face high or dying you could be a great business owner
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If doing a non-test (oral/mild injectable) cycle is there any reason to avoid an on-cycle drop in testosterone levels?
It seems like a lot of people are quite vehemently supporters of using test at TRT doses whilst taking any sort of androgen, but if you don't mind the lethargy and temporary ED, is there any reason to bother?
It seems as though all of the long term effects from suppression are due to the drop in lutienizing hormone rather than test.
Would there be any long term consequences to a few weeks of that?
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>>35174040
Too bad. Math can be truly beautiful, and that's not a neckbeard meme

>>35174049
IQ is a reflection of your current intellectual state. It certainly isn't a constant and has fluctuated throughout my life. To assume that education doesn't have an impact on it like many psychologists claim is retarded
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>>35174109

Any androgen causes suppression so you might as well use Test and not feel awful.
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Do you first need a GED to go to uni afterwards?

I googled what GED is worth over here, and it's really shit-tier
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>>35174122
I agree but the testing is flawed and that's why it affects it
It just isn't a be all end all of measuring how smart someone is
There's really no way to do it
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>>35174147

Generally yes.

GED are worth shit here as well, I just took mine so I could get an early start on College until I found out how expensive it was and didn't receive financial aid.
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>>35174109
Why even bother? all anabolic compounds are suppressive. You won't get the gains you want, you'll feel lethargic as shit and you'll most likely still have to pct if you want to recover fast.
just bite the bullet and inject test
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>>35174173
Yeah, that's so weird in the US. You only got them scholarships, not?

The government pays for you school if you can't afford it, over here
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>>35174203

The way it works here is until you are 25, however much money your parents make is considered your own even if they don't support or live with you.

I was making $1,000 a month, my dad makes $175,000 a year.

I apply for financial aid, they say "Sorry you make too much money, can't help you."

I fucking hate this faggot country.
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>>35174203

If you're a fucking nigger, illegal immigrant child, or Native American you get a free degree though.

Goddamn c uck society.
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>>35174247
yeah, that's the same over here. It's based on how much you're making.

>my dad makes $175,000 a year.
what does he do. Doctor?

>>35174259
kek

>muhh freedomm
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>>35174394
Mirin?
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>>35174247
I have a friend who had the same problem. Only it was because his parents hadn't filed or paid taxes in 12 years.
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>>35174509
lmfaoooo, no way. What is that shit
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>>35174509
What kind of pictures do you have? shirtless?

girls don't care about muscle, but faggots do. Everyone who says he's lifting for girls, is actually lifting for some creepy fruitcakes that secretly fap to your pictures.
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>>35174607
Cheeky seems like a goofy chav but he's actually a muscular young Brad Pitt
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>>35174607
>thinking cheeky has muscle
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>>35174607
milfs care, trust
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>>35174607
2x shirtless and then a full body clothed one. I agree that women don't really care about muscle, just have a healthy physique and that's all you need.
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>>35174625
I'm not a chav lol

>>35174629
Yay
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Can you use the same needle to draw multiple compounds, or should I just use two syringes/needles and stab myself twice?? I have 200... doubt I'm running out any time soon.
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>>35174667
are milfs your type? or do you just appreciate the hit rate?
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>>35174704
I have a weird fetish for banging milfs with dyel looking kids, don't just pls
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>>35174704
Bit of both. Milfs are easier to get and I love a hot bodied milf. Why waste time and effort on some younger girl that will probably be boring in bed as well
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>>35174718
I think they might be gilfs mate
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>>35174733
they are also more experienced which is both good and bad i guess
theyll do unexpected things without asking you first

>yfw two swift fingers to your butthole unannounced
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>>35174781
>getting my salad tosses
hgggggnnnnnnn
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>>35174781
Yeah, i think they are just desperate to please lol.
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>>35174625
>>35174627
kek, we will never know, because he won't post pics. He's hiding something for us.

Still don't grasp why he post pics on the internet for some fruitcakes, but no for fap material for us.

>>35174648
Just don't be fat, no autism and a 8/10 face. You will get enough pussy.
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>>35174733
>>35174781
I think I'll start hitting on my gf's mom

She keeps touching my muscles
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>>35174629
probably so they can feel young again. toyboys
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I know this is stupid, but my feet hurt really bad after doing legs. Like the bottoms of my feet are bruised from the heavyness.

Wut do?
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>>35174857
Delete that pic that's fucking gross looking

JM is the limit for acceptable vascularity
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>>35174822
Milfs are also hnnngg imo
>not lifting for milfs
>making it
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>>35174849
mother, daughter 3some
>hnnnng

>>35174824
So I'm not posting them on 7chin
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Anyone not have a minimum amount I must order? I need a vial of test to last through Christmas.
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>>35174849
mother, daughter 3some
>hnnnng

>>35174824
Lol I'm not posting them on 7chin, hook up sites are fine, aside from all the gay guys
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Can I take nolva on cycle to get rid of a little gyno that developed? I'm only on 600mg of test
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>>35174802
dont think id want that from my fiance
everytime i looked at her id just think 'that tongue was inside my butthole'
our relationship would never be the same

>>35174822
either that or they just like watching you squirm

>>35174824
lel yeah theres no way he looks worse than half the other physiques posted on here
me included

>>35174849
that will definitely work
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>>35174880
There usually isnt a minimum if you use bitcoins
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>>35174911
I don't have a coinbase account or anything and those require ID/bank verification that takes nearly a week.
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>>35174905
do you not eat ass?
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>>35174919
Use circle you can put in a debit card took me like 10 mins to get verified and everything
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>>35174930
i do but that is different
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>>35174919
It doesn't take a week you just walk into your bank and ask them what the verification numbers are and walk out
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>>35174891
Don't be pussy. It can't be that worse.

>>35174905
Your physique is pretty good, especially those monster calves/forearms and traps

Many ppl that are criticizing other ppl's physique with

>roiding for this
>roids are for manlet faggots

Are mostly dyel 13-year old kids.
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>>35174955
Do you take your socks off when you're banging girls
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>>35174971
>those monster forearms
Yeah, Tico, id kill for a handjob from you
>no homo
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>>35174971
lol i was being mostly tongue in cheek
im not really concerned about it

>>35174979
not in the winter time
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Can I combine SSRIs with Nolvadex?

Also, SSRIs and steroids?
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>>35174870
>JM is the limit for acceptable vascularity
He has really crazy vascularity that i mire. Especially legs.

He's going insane about balding tho.

>>35174996
his calves are one of the craziest mutant calves i have seen
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>>35175012
In my experience, once you start steroids you won't need SSRIs
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>>35175015
>calves are one of the craziest mutant calves
Yeah, Tico, id kill for a calfjob from you
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Are JJ's ancillaries GTG? I want some nolva for PCT but I'm afraid it'll be bunk DESU. Which is nothing against him, just scary when trying to PCT. I know he caps his own stuff.
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>>35174996
<3

>>35175015
jm is going insane about a lot of things

and pls
im blushing
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>>35175036
kek, calves are really hard to gain if you don't have them calves genetics like me. But i still got them a bit normal after raping them eod.

pls no bully


>>35175051
Most girls don't care if you're balding if you have a good looking face/skull.

There are many ugly people with hair kek
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>>35175084
MasTest actually has a weakness.
His damn pencil calves. Sorry pham
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>>35175096
Yeah, you're right. But i'am happy with the results so far. They were way worse before.
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N...no homo right
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>>35175084
>Most girls don't care if you're balding if you have a good looking face/skull.
face is really the only thing women for the most part care about
that and being not fat
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>>35175084
mirin' post calves from the back bro

how did you hit them? high weight low reps / low weight high reps..?
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>>35175236
aren't we the same? Of course i like a big juicy ass, but face is most important for me.

If she's not obese i can live with it, if she's good looking.


>>35175250
very high reps with mediocre weight. 40-50 reps or just till failure. Till it burns so hard it hurt like hell. Only way to get calve mass. Same for forearms.
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>>35175319
lol good point i guess

nice calf progress btw genuine difference in the last couple months
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>>35175319
You should shave your legs to be honest
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>>35175354
Thanks breh. Maybe i can wear short pants one day, without making people scared.

>>35175360
>You should shave your legs to be honest
i did that, but your calves will even look smaller if you shave them. kek

my gf said it looked gay also.

feels also very weird when you wearing pants. I wonder how bald people feel when they lay on a cushion kek
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shit, I forgot to have chem take a pic of my mutant turkey drumstick calves for me
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>>35175414
Shaving legs fucking sucks man, just trim it
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>>35175231
The fuck? What site is this?
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>>35175491
Get them waxed. Better finish, less work
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First court date and organic chem final tomorrow. Hold me fraud.

Would any of you miss me if I was gone? I haven't lifted in a month because of my hand and dropping to cruise doses has caused a little acne on my shoulders.

Why must everything I love try to destroy me
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I wonder if I use the tren again it'll make my beard thicker like last time
Low tren for beard gains?
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>>35175631
Also veet is GOAT. Leave it on for ten minutes then hop in the shower and scrub with a loofa and the hair falls off. Never tried waxing though.
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>>35175649

Because opiates and women are the devil.
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>>35175649
Nigga lift around your injuries

The more you get your blood flowing the faster your shit is gonna heal
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>>35173907
where in Belgium you from nigga
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>>35175764
>>35175823
>>35175853
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>>35175414
Nah that's not what it feels like to be bald. Balding happens over time to the difference between feeling stuff touch your head is small.
>TFW bald since high school
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yo can you roiders post your CBT and number of years lifting ? 6 years natty here, thinking about hopping on the unnatty gain train
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>>35176111

No because we all look like shit and it's depressing but we keep injecting bathtub cattle hormone into our asses on the miniscule chance that we might actually make it one day.

Welcome to /fraud/, where once you get on you never get off.
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>>35176111
>>35172779
2 years lifting <1 year roiding.
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>>35176153

well at least you guys seem to know what you're doing. I'm 33 y-o and the average /fit/izen is a 19 y-o kiddo lifting for less than 1 year... sometimes it's depressing out there when you read so much bullshit and broscience
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I gained 20lbs in 16 weeks on just test 500/week. My second blast. Is that good?
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>>35176178

What were you eating?
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>>35176178
I shagged your mum, lost 20lbs and blasted in 5 seconds. Is that good?
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75% clean. Low sodium. Low fat.
Mostly rice and turkey.
2800 cal daily, most days
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>>35176178
if you gained 20 lbs of pure fat, the no, it's not good, how are we suppose to know without a picture? if you look better, then yeah, it's good
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>>35176225
I reckon i put on 5lbs of fat. 10 lbs muscle. I'm quite bloated atm.

No pics. You guys are mean and always call me fat. I'm about 20%bf
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>>35176165

Been lifting just shy of 5 years, juiced for 1.5 but I literally died and had to remake my gains in that time span.
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>>35176219
>gained 20lbs on 2800 cal daily
Jelly as fuck. I have to eat more then that on maintianance.

What weight did you start at?
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>>35176260
>I literally died
I thought you just stopped breathing. Did you actually go full cardiac arrest?
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>>35176263
Started at 155lbs around 18%bf. I'm 5'5"
Now im 175 prolly 20% bf
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>>35176274

Three times I went under.

No fucking clue how I'm alive. Even after making it through the initial bit, the mortality rate for my level of liver + kidney damage is around 60%

Some fucking 9 lives shit dude.
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Why aren't I losing weight faster, /roid/?

Naturally cutting at 1200 calories with under 30g of carbs a day.

I want to be losing 1.5kg a week. Why is this not happening? BMR is 1750 cals.
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500 sust for 10 weeks with 50ed tren ace weeks 4-10 too much for first cycle? Anything additional to nolva clomid and arimidex needed for pct and on cycle support when tren involved?
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>>35176297
How long have you been cutting?
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>>35176297

Your TDEE is dismally tiny or you're underestimating caloric intake.
>>35176360

You probably won't need an AI on 500 Test unless you're a fatty. You might run into prolactin issues with Tren so the cautious move would be to get a dopamine agonist but I doubt it will be necessary.
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>>35176447
For around 2 months. Coming up to a month now since I started keto.
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>>35176470

lol don't tell him he might not need an AI for Test.

My nips went itchy as fuck off a low dose of test. Just tell him to play it safe and take 0.5mg EOD or something
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>tfw about to do a test+dbol+ghrp+estrogen blocker stack to maximize height and strength gains
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>>35176492

The vast majority of people I know that use gear IRL run 500-1,000mg of Test, no AI, and get no sides.

I aromatize like a motherfucker, so I got the short end of the stick.
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>>35176509

You're an idiot.
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>>35176481
I don't know m8. Maybe you BMR calculation is off? If you're sticking to your diet, you should be seeing the right results.
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>>35176521
jealous manlet angry that he forgot to use an estrogen blocker for his first stack and is forever 5'5" detected
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>>35176513
That's true. But you need to have that shit on hand better safe then sorry.

I've heard of people growing bitch tits on as little as 200mg/wk.
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>>35176529

Test and Dianabol are mediocre choices for maximizing strength gains, running a GHRP is going to do fuckall for your height, and you're too uneducated to elucidate between an AI and a SERM. "Estrogen Blocker", yeah bro.

How many steroid.com articles have you read so far friend?
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>>35176522

I'm strict as FUCK when it comes to dieting. My mother was bragging to her friends about it and shit lmao.

Don't get me wrong, I'm losing weight but I want to lose more.

desu don't think I'm drinking enough water.
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>>35176553

I'm not sure whether it's the Tren or me starving myself but goddamn the idiocy is getting to me today.

It's like there's no safe haven left.

GH15 is dying due to GH being a nut job

GetBig is dead and full of that faggot mod posting pictures of his mediocre physique everywhere

FitMisc has the top physiques at the moment IMO but the rest of it is full of retards

Why can I not have just ONE decent BB community?

baka desu senpai

Somebody bring back 2013 /fraud/
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Guys important question: I've been running test, mast and Eq on my first 25 week blast ( yeah I know...) my shoulders have developed insanely srs... the standard 3d boulder shoulders... but, I know I will lose some mass in my PCT, but, more importantly, will I lose the 'look', the width, the thick aesthetic of my shoulders/traps?
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>>35176616
Partially.
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Just went to the Low T Center today to check my levels and it came back a 222. My daily T (? or whatever it's called) is between 2 and 3. I'm 34. Doc says I'm a strong candidate for TRT. Going in tomorrow to start. Anything I should request (dosage, type, frequency, etc) I'm terrified of getting gyno, although I've never had tits even at 310+ lbs. I'm currently down to 215 lbs at 6' tall with a 34" waist.
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>>35176616

The most noticeable losses will be the degree of dryness, hardness, and vascularity provided by Masteron.

Tren, Mast, and orals give a certain quality to the physique that fades after cessation.

You should keep most of your size though.
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>>35176521
>>35176553
>>35176603

I am so, so proud

I'd like to think I played some small part in being a role model for how to deal with idiots

ps ask nat if she still thinks I'm a serial killer
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>>35176638
>>35176654
Yeah, I know people become more soft looking, but I've also heard that the roid shoulders never really change as long as you train enough during PCT, it would be fucked if I lost that tbqh
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>>35176667

I'm just in a bitchy mood because of my combined caloric intake of like 3,000kcal from Friday to tonight.

Usually takes me a week or two to adapt to eating like a little girl.
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>Glute injections

Any advice on doing these properly?
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I think I need some help, for real though, wake up early, work until near PO close, and it's barely enough... fuck, I need a break, so badly, but I just can't do that right now.
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>>35176710
I do them lying in bed. I'm not flexible enough to do them standing.
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>>35176649
Any advice senpai?
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>>35176710

Place your thumb on the edge of your hip-bone on your waist. Reach your index finger across and touch your butt. Pin around there. It's really not that hard desu.

If I were you, I'd swap butt-cheek every time you inject to avoid scar tissue.
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>>35176733
>lying in bed

That's probably a good idea actually.

What part of your glute do you put them in? Do you bother dividing it up into quadrants or just sort of guesstimate?
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>>35176749
Make sure you get injections and not androgel. Other then that there isn't a whole lot to worry about.

You'd have to be freakishly unlucky to get bitch tits on trt doses.
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>>35176773
That's a good.....rule of thumb.

I'm injecting Mechano Growth Factor which is more pronounced where you inject it, though it means I have to do both cheeks.
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>>35176717

That much business?
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>>35176708

dude I had to grab a burger on the way home, inhaled that shit and lifted like an hour later

bench was the only thing that stagnated, ended up doing like [email protected] and [email protected] then pretty much everything else was completely unaffected

>>35176749

injections, 125-150mg if you can squeak it, weekly pins at least

ps I'm on 250 a week right now and don't have to take any ai unless I want to drop some water weight
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>>35176789
They dont do gel, only injections. They are weekly as well. Is 222 and daily t of 2 considered especially low at 34 yrs old? Doc said he was surprised i got out of bed in the morning. His job is grtting dudes in the door too, so have to consider the source...
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>>35176809

That's not bad.

Started fullbody 3x10

Was able to do 10 x 90lb weighted dips, 10 x 45lb weighted pullups, squatted 2 plate for however many I got, some light OHP.

Was expecting much worse.
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>>35176809
I started loading creatine on Friday, tomorrow is 20g then down to 5g/day after that. Should I cut it out or just keep going?
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>>35176816

222 is fucking awful.

70 is the upper reference range for a female.
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>>35176805
My workflow's kind of shit right now, have two work tables coming in to help with that, but yeah, it feels like a bit much. I work all day and don't really feel like I have enough time or any real opportunity to unwind at night, so shit kind of sucks.
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>>35176847
No wonder i have felt like shit for years. I was at 310 lbs in july, down to 216 on saturday and ran half marathon 2 weeks ago. Been using hydroxycut to keep me awake... should have done this sooner. Probably cost me my marriage if it makes the difference i think it will.
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>>35176858

Yeah that's pretty shit.

I've got the green light to source on FM but it's easier to just sell locally with 1/10th the business but at triple the price. Hence why I've shied away from online sourcing.

Considered SST but honestly fuck that. The only way I'd consider it would be as a specialty source doing exclusively bulk deals.

Something like 20 vials of Test E for $300, or 20 vials of Tren Ace for $500, etc.

Tinfoil hat retard community.

MUH LABMAX
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Im thinking of finally going on my first cycle.
Ive been at it for little over 2 years, 1 year good diet and training.
What does /fraud/ think is the safest and best cycle i should do.
I will be on the P.H.A.T routine for strength and that hypertrophic gains.
But adding an extra day for my weak spots.
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>>35176816
>222
Iirc 300 is where you become a candidate for trt.
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>>35176894

250 Test Enan
400 Tren Enan
60 Epistane ED
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>>35176906
>tren
>epi
>first cycle

Typical chem fucking people up.

Anon just use some test and try not to get gyno and acne.

After that you can think about something as harsh on the body as trenbolone...

Chem is the type of guy to do 3 lines of cocaine, 4 points of molly, 7 shots of vodka, and 3 hits of LSD at his first party
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>>35176906
Im not doing tren my first cycle....
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>>35176906
>Tren
You're a mad man.
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>>35176893
Hah, they're not all that bad, some of them are forgiving enough, anyway.
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>>35176925

lmao bruh just do what I'm doing

500mg test enanthate. Pin 250mg 2 times a week (every 3.5 days)

That's honestly the best thing you can do as a beginner. It'll take you 3-5 weeks until you see gains, but once you do it'll be worth it. A lot of people do 4 weeks of dbol to kick-start them because it's kinda depressing waiting a few weeks to see any gains, but it's pointless desu and you'll only gain water-weight from it.
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Source fucked up my order, ended up sending me some deca and tren ace along with three bottles of test. I had only ordered the test.

Save the deca and tren for later? I have enough test for 16 weeks @ 500 mg, so maybe I can add one (or both) in at some point? Thoughts?
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>>35176919

>MUH BABBY DOSE TREN
>SO HARSH MUCH CRAZY

Trenbolone is being researched as an alternative to Testosterone for HRT. It causes less benign prostatic hyperplasia than Testosterone and also elevates hemoglobin levels to a lesser degree.

And Epistane is one of the least hepatoxic orals with a huge sides/gains ratio

Stop parroting nonsense
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>>35176970
That's fucking awesome.

Yeah, save them for later. Maybe bulk up with deca later and cut with tren? Or why not bulk with tren?
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>>35176975
Chem
Bby pls

We all know even one steroid of tren makes all your hair fall out
We know it turn people into angry monster ren is super evil all the time and people don't exaggerate the sides at all
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>>35176969
So im assuming test E is the one you dont have to take a pct with...since it has a long life and slowly tapers off. I forgot it was E
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>>35176925
>>35176938
>>35176969

Fuck it, I'm not even going to try anymore.

>and this is why /fraud/ looks like ass

>>35176970

That's enough Deca to run an mL a week for 10 weeks. Assuming it's somewhere between 200-300mg/mL that'll make quite an impact.

Save the Tren.
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>>35175734
>Because opiates and women are the devil.??

>Because women are the devil
fixed
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>>35177009
oh btw buddy I've rolled for the past two weekends in a row

some random sad feels hit me today

how likely am I to just fuck my shit up if I keep up this pace

this chemical is magical
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>>35176988
Well, it's my first cycle, so I was doing the 250 mg every 2.5 days.

>>35177009
Correct, 300 mg/mL. Should I dose that once a week or divide it?
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>>35177018

That's not good. Like, pretty damn bad for you. I did that for a while then you lose the magic, you just feel fucked up and slightly happy.

MDMA really should be a monthly thing at the most.
>>35177020

Just pin 1ml Test and 0.5mL Deca twice a week.
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Hey /fraud/, I injected my upper quad last night and the PiP is quite bad. I'm not worried about the pain as it was a virgin site, but the swelling and pain is lower down my thigh than where I injected. Is this a problem and what caused it?

thanks senpai pic related
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>>35177044
how about a bi-monthly thing, like once every two weeks?

im becoming dependent on it for clubbing basically lol

cant compare just drinking/coke/anything to the roll feels in that environment when it kicks in
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>>35177049

Gravity causes the oil to travel downwards a bit. I often got knee discomfort when I'd pin quads.

Honestly though, just fuck every site but glutes.
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>>35177058

That's still pretty bad.

Try to cut it to once a month. I can't party or anything without a good drug. So I just party once every month or two.

if you insist on biweekly, try 4-FA instead. Somewhat similar, cheap, less neurotoxic.

All that shit fucking reks your gains though.
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>>35177080
I easily get by on 1k calories per day on friday/saturday when rollin'

it is truly a gains goblin deal
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>>35177093

Not to mention fucking up your electrolyte balance by sweating/pissing every ounce of water out of your body and your CNS getting raped.
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>>35177063
thanks family
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>>35177106
meh, I just feel like it's akin to a lot of cardio and don't really worry about it

the neurotransmitter downregulation is scary though

don't want to give myself clinical depression by accident lol
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>>35177008
You have to take pct with pretty much everything mate
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>>35176894
Those screwed up proportions though.
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Run test + Tren = no acne
Just test = all the acne

This happen to anyone else?
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TFW can't see endocrinologist till about a month after my cycle finishes and didn't get any estrogen blockers how fucked are my man boobs gonna be

(12 week test E cycle BTW)
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Hot damn, someone just got like 1942 on only 175 of the Pokemagic.

At least one part of their lineup is legit.

>mfw second >10x in as many reviews
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>>35173506
Do you guys ever get hated on by fat power lifters at your gym?

I think They're probably just butthurt that a shredded 20 year old can out diddly them.
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>>35177018
Keep it up and you'll fucking hate your life. Add tren and you'll want to die.

Drugs and bodybuilding DO NOT mix
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>>35177283
>taking ai off cycle
I hate this meme
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Do any of you know about cycling doping? I was looking at xenon, but it's expensive as fuck. Best alternatives to EPO? And if I do use EPO now, would it be detectable down the road? USAC is getting a bit more thorough with drug tests.
>inb4 "you aren't lance armstrong"
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>>35177018
seems to build up. I told myself I could handle weekend use, after a few months it was crippling depression that took many more months to go away after stopping.
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switched to psmf, was fine first day now I feel so fucking lethargic and lightheaded

Should i get some stims? if so what ones?
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>>35177559
Gw101516 but I don't know anything about detection times on it. Check Datbtrue it's stacked with something else to improve the effects iirc.
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>>35177559
What do you need that for?

Last time I even looked into epo I read something about having to wake up in the middle of the night to do cardio or you'll literally die.
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>>35177590
Ec for appetite suppression and energy

Clen is too much for psmf. You'll crash electrolytes and twitch/cramp like crazy.
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>>35177510
i'll take your word for it coach

no more rolling here for a while

>>35177590
ephedrine + caffiene will make a world of difference
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>>35176975

To be fair, you're pretty delusional.

"Lmao I'm doing high doses of harsh steroids after almost dying haha but why don't people trust me!?!"

"Yeah my liver and heart were pretty messed up by lmao but what's the worst that can happen?"

Youre crazy, man. Don't expect people to listen to you tell them how to treat their body with illegal substances when you literally don't know how to take care of yourself.
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>>35177604
>>35177609
I can't get ephedrine in Australia. Is there any alternative?
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>>35177591
Thanks!

>>35177596
I have a chance to go pro, but I really just need a slight boost.
And that cardio thing is called slushy blood, there are some pro teams that spend all their nights on race days training to not die.
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>>35177645
self dosing dutch speed
theres some aussie vendors on darknet that sell it 110/g
works out a lot cheaper than buying dexies or ritalin
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>>35177274
Basicallly why i want too.
I was a surfer for 7 years
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>>35177609
Crashed serotonin sucks too much. Stick with something mild like greenery. It doesn't hurt gains at all and gives the sickest pumps.
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>>35177659
Which market I couldn't find any?
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>>35177645
Amps
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>>35177673
forgot which market
but the vendor ausking
probably nucleus
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>>35173579
Just play along and play the game dont say what you really want to and it all goes away. Anger managment made me angrier. They will try and troll you to see if they can piss you off dont fall for it
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Just stopping for a little bit to say that I finished 9 quizzes and a test this afternoon/evening while hopped up on Adderall and god damn this stuff feels like magic. I sat for 4 and a half straight hours in my lawn chair I use at my computer and just rolled through about 6 quizzes and homework before I realized I hadn't eaten since noon.

Also I've found that I love ephedrine. My preworkout stack is starting to get a little bit out of hand this past week.. something like 2-300mg caffeine, 25mg ephedrine, 10mg adderall, 40mg dbol, 400mg ibuprofen, 2g taurine, 1g niacin, grapefruit juice, and some nasal spray shit to maximize my nose airflow to keep up with the lung boner this ephedrine is giving me.

Plain caffeine powder tastes like fucking ass though really. It tastes bitter and chalky and has a terrible aftertaste of chemicals too. Maybe I'll put all the powders into the grapefruit juice now..
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>>35173929
I believe you I went to college at 15 graduated with AA at 17. I have no idea of my IQ
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For those that blast and cruise on test year round, if you add a cycle of tren in there will you retain anything from it when you go back to just test cruise?
Im cruising test right now but cant justify the extra expense if tren unless something long term comes from it
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for some reason i woke up at 7 am instead of 5
i swear i dont remember my alarm going

i look at the traffic info

fucking fucked in the ass, it's hopeless now

wonderinging if i should just wait a few hours before leaving to work or actually enter the traffic
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>>35177803
Tren gains are lost. The look, the crazy strength increases. It's such a potent anabolic that your body has no chance of keeping those gains off cycle.
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>>35177838
Just to be clear, your saying that even if i continue the test cruise after stopping tren, ill still lose all the tren gains?
Ill be cruising on test 200 for life
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>>35177803
You will retain everything except the dry full look.

>>35177838
Yeah no... You keep the strength and the size. If you're losing strength and size you're programming and dieting wrong.
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>>35177838
>>35177987
Only thing I lost was extra vascularising and the nice 3d shoulders
Strength and size stayed the same
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>>35177987
Per you and mt advise I made a wrist roller and gave up wrist curls. I thought it would be nice to use it at night between games. The pumps are actually making it hard to play vidya properly. Soooo much better.
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>>35178211
>vascularising
That's what I get for using a phone to shitpost
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>>35177693
Mental wards do this too, fucking trolls.
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What are the best anti-androgens? Just learned that a lot of steroids dont convert to DHT and simply attach themselves to the receptors in hair. Spiro will make me into a trap or something, anything besides RU58841 and Nizoral?
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>>35178544
The only way you can apply anti-androgens selectively is by topical solution, any ingested anti-androgens will have a systemic effect, e.g. counteracting all the effects of the steroids you're taking, not just hair loss.
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Does tren actually age your face or is that just broscience???
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>>35178751
I can't speak for a lot of tren or for doing it a long time
But I did about 600pw for 4 weeks and all it did other than muscles was give me a thick dick, extra aggression and focus, thicker facial hair
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t3/clen/anavar 12 week cycle for cutting starting in january

yay or nay?
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>>35178816
nay

>test/tren/dnp
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>>35178826
cant pin in the next 6 months due to reasons. orals are fine tho
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The fuck does 'lay the wood' mean?
Is this girl saying she wants to hit me
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>>35178840
Cut natty and wait it out I guess
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>>35178840
no point running any orals, anavar isnt strong enough

if your desperate cycle dbol 30mg and dnp on and off just make sure your ai is good
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>>35178843
You know the answer to that silly. She wants to peg you with her giant futa cock
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>>35178848
>natty

why no t3/clen?
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>>35178673

Yeah man im not gonna take anti androgens any way other than topical

Spiro is what traps take to transition, It probably has a nice effect on mpb, but it might just absorb through the scalp.

Also my hairline is fucking growing back! I noticed babby hairs right at the edges of my current hairline.

Lipogaine is the shit senpai, not a shill srs
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>>35178862
Can't recommend t3 without something to protect gains. You can try clen/alb, yohibmine, eca, and dieting magic to help cut until you can pin tho.
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>>35178886
>without something to protect gains
thats why i was thinking about anavar. gotta be enough to protect gains aye?
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>>35178871
l cysteine, 3grams ED.
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>>35178905
Your var dose would have to be high af to offset t3 catabolism, assuming you want to run t3 at 50mcg or more. A stronger oral would be better. no test cycles are frustrating, and 12 wks of orals is not great for health.
Maintaining muscle is the goal for cutting "cycles" and t3 makes that tricky.
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How much do you increase your calories on gear as compared to being natty?

I'm on MGF and tb-500 specifically.

Your thoughts?
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>>35179006
300 - 500 cal but im probably in the minority
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>>35178989
what about 8 weeks ana/t3/clen and t3 not more than 50mcg. dont need to cut that much
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>>35179006
Depends how much gear you're on.

+300-500 for lean gains on a typical blast.
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>>35179033
just take dnp
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>>35178751
Taeian can explain it. In short: Yeah, it does.
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>>35179038
but i cant get my hands on dnp and work a physical job
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>>35179033
Don't use 50mcg t3 for a cut. Speeding up your thyroid that much is counter productive for cutting. You would use a dose like that with gaining blast like GH and tren. T3 speeds up bowel motility so you can eat more food. And GH and tren lower thyroid. Idiots just recommend it for cutting because it makes them drop weight quickly.


Clens fine especially at that does. Take 3g taurine daily to protect your heart.
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>>35179033
Better, that will be cheaper then var atleast. T3 should run at 50mcg or more imo, 50 is not a crazy dose. 100 is when I saw noticable size lost.

But still I think other cutting aids would work well and you wouldn't have to worry about it.
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>>35179043
>Taeian
>reputable

PICK ONE YOU FUCKIN TINFOIL FUCK REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe
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>>35179060
clens never fine, clen is shit
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>>35179058
Just do it naturally honestly clen is shit and sure you could run t3 and anavar but in reality you're just going to shut down your test with something that is considered one of the weakest steroids, which clearly won't benefit you. T3 will just just fuck you over as jj said.

Unless you can pin you really shouldn't bother.
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>>35179064
>>35179081
so maybe just an eca stack?
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»35178751
It does age your face. Actually grows your jaw and jawline.
http://pastebin.com/hthFBre7
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any thoughts on On cycle therapy, PCT, and Anti estrogen products that work really well? brands, drugs and over the counter supplements?
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>>35179114
If you feel you need it I don't see why not.
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>>35179127
Exemestane for AI, Tamoxifen and Clomiphene for PCT. As long as they are pharmaceutical grade they will work as intended.

>deluge masterrace
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>>35179114
Yes, Gl
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Do you guys still have rest days if you're on very heavy cycles (3g+ or 1g of tren a week)?

I do about 1ish hour of lifting but with high intensity so I feel tired and have not much left in me by the time I'm done.

I work out 2 days then rest 1 but I kind of want to work out more since rest days kind of bore me and I might be missing out gains since I'm enchanced anyway.
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Whatever happened to that guy who had never trained at the gym before and jumped on a cycle of Test and Tren?

I remember him posting about two months ago but haven't seen anything of him, he was using a trip but i forgot what it was
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>>35179217
hes kill
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>>35179217
Mathtest, him and the 30lbs dbol bloat guy are slacking on the updates.
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>>35179233
RIP in pepperoni
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>>35179204
I never take rest days, even when natty
The body has enough muscles that you can have a decent workout any day of the week, or you can do cardio or lighter weights
Now that I'm enhanced I sometimes lift the same groups two days in a row
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>>35179278
no rest, so thats why you're still dyel
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>>35179289
Is it YOU that keeps peeking through my window while I shower??
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>>35179300
yup, trying to figure out how to be dyel with all this gear, mystery solved
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>>35179304
That explains the furious fapping I can hear every time
I make sure to get extra soapy for you bby
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>>35179316
That's partially my fault, I'm tossing anon off whilst he is looking at you
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>>35179368
Thought I hear a pommy accent
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>>35179392
I think that might be swolltech behind me
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>>35179408
ah that explains a lot
How many of you fuckers are outside my house btw?

It's the only explanation for how anyone knows how I currently look given I haven't uploaded a picture since............. Early October kek
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>>35179469
There was about 15 of us the other night.
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First time running tren and strength is going up despite being on psmf, how long until this stops?
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>>35179518
faaaaark now I get why I am always hearing so much noise. That's basically all of fraud
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>>35179533
till tomorrow
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Swimmerbrah why you no email
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>>35179469
Waiting for a CB. Can't wait to see the transformation you made in 2 months
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>>35179245
People called mathtest a faggot when he posted pics. Literally looked the same as the before pics.
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can someone with experience explain the difference between drol and sdrol, without shitposting?
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>>35179713
yes
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>>35179821
"Without shitposting" kek
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>>35179713
Drol aromatises and sdrol doesn't. Sdrol if lean bulking, drol if bulking. Sdrol will dry you out and give dry gains and substantial strength gains whereas drol will basically do what dbol does to a lesser extent with less sides.
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>>35179838
>tfw can't find sdrol
guess I will just have to do halo then
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>>35179838
>drol aromatises
what, no it doesn't, it's strictly andro. but it does have a weird way of causing water retention. also drol is much stronger than dbol in every way. are you sure you're experienced? I've used both dbol and drol and your explanation seems pretty off.
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>>35179853
I have yet to try it but I have heard it's phenomenal.
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>>35179862
Interesting, I had no idea anadrol didn't aromatase. I just assumed since I bloated hard on it and read about lactating nips, strength was really the only thing that it had over dbol for me.

Then again my memories are probably clouded from that sweet sweet dbol euphoria.
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>>35179911
nip lactase also has nothing to do with aromatisation, its all about prolactin. it's a big issue with nor19s, including tren which is not known for having any estro effects.

I'm not sure why you or anyone else is so crazy about dbol. I tried it on my first cycle of course, and it gave me a great start, but I swear I must have put on 50 to 75% more weight and muscle on drol, water retention being around the same. I'm fucking crazy about drol but I want to see how all the orals stack up, especially since I'm considering a cut cycle next year

>>35179863
I heard it makes you wake up screaming in the middle of the night wishing for a quick release.
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>>35174510

I don't understand americans. So you don't automatically get tax deducted from your pay?you have to pay it all at the end of the year or someshiy?
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>>35179936
Dbol took me from 83kg to 95kg, granted I was bulking and alot of that was water but for me it just worked. I might give drol another chance next bulk.
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>>35179968
Yes. But you still have to file your taxes and claim your overpaid taxes or pay what you underpaid.
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>>35179973
yeah, 30 lbs isn't uncommon for drol either
it seems to be an endless battle, maybe it depends on the person. my individual experience with drol has been much better, but that might have to do with dosing and workout protocol.
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>>35179986
What's "filing" taxes? Is it not easy to take advantage of?
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>>35180186
It is easy if you are poor or lower middle class.
If your pay grade is above that you get watched more scrutinously.
In freedom land the gap between rich and poor is getting wider and middle class is shrinking.
Fuckin capitalist pigs desu Senpai.
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>>35179701
I'am glad people did. I hate those yolo's. They think there is a easy way out. NO, even with gear you need to eat proper food en train your ass of.

People who don't know how it is to gain as a natty and start gear from the start are fucking lazy pieces of shit. They will never accomplish anything.

I'am gonna call them all out
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>>35180416
>>35180416
>>35180416
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