Running. Pros/cons when already lifting 5x/week?

Pros:
>lower bodyfat
>healthier heart

Cons:
?

Wow that Camel Toe though

>>35168741

ugh, I just want to bury my face in there like a good boy

>>35168774
Cons include fucked heart, knees, shins, hips, spine and many other things. Permanent pain medication is probable.

You'll have to eat a few hundred more calories a day, which shouldn't be a problem unless you're a pussy.
If you've got bad joints or something you might want to start biking/swimming instead.

I used to love running until my knees went achy achy mode :(

>>35168829
>cardio fucks your heart

Lmao that's enough little kid.

>>35168829
Any negative effects?

As far as cardio goes, I think running is one of the worst exercises. Cycling, most machines, swimming, body weight cardio and walking are all way less potentially destructive on your joints/knees/feet. It has the best high and burns the most calories arguably, but I never hear about people regularly getting injured doing any other form of cardio.

>Running

Fuck that shit.
Swim.
It works more muscles and is less painful.

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In the military so i'm pretty much forced to run.

Anyone else use this though. My gym has them and they are pretty good cardio wise.

>tfw 5 sets of 10 minutes

>>35168963
Just do the 50 minutes mate.

>>35168741
Pros
>more blood in body
>stronger heart

>>35168995
I usually go pretty hard those 10 minutes then superset with other HIIT cardio.

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Pros: get mired by chicks around town

>>35168774
fucking up knee joint; Ex: me. Just don't overdo the running and squating. Had to stop various exercises involving legs, and running for 4 months; its still not fully healed either.

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>>35168741
The pros are you don't want to be that guy who can't run for shit.

You don't want to be stuck having to run from something and have your body give out after a few minutes.

>>35169044
You ever think it was you and your form and not just the act of running itself?

pros you get to stuff your face with junk food and not worry too much.

>reach my daily calorie limit, that slice of cheese cake is calling me out.
>go run 10 miles
>feels good
>come home eat cheese cake .
>everything in the universe is good again.

>>35169154
Or,
just don't eat it

>>35168903
with proper shoes and a proper strike.. it isn't that bad on your joints/knees/ and feet.

>>35168903
Why do I get way more tired from running than biking or rowing? I'm in bad shape so like 10 minutes of running makes me wheeze, but 10 mins of rowing or biking I feel more exhausted in my legs than lungs/body.

>>35169528
maybe it's because you use less muscles genius

and you probably don't row hard enough, try rowing at a competitive speed

>>35168741
it will improve your recovery between workouts and sets

>>35168831
I would say being able to eat more is a pro, but coming from an ex fatty that might not be the case if you're smelly skelly.

Unless you're a disgusting fat fuck how does running fuck up your body? Isn't running (with proper form) kind of what the body is built for?

I run just about everyday and feel great afterwards.

>>35168741
It will make you a faster runner. If your goal is actual physical fitness and not just bodybuilding or powerlifting then you should be running. Running will also help with your delts and thicken your ankles and calves more than any lift.

Other forms of cardio are fine, but running is training your form as much as your fitness. A fast cyclist or swimmer will not necessarily be able to run well when he needs to.

>>35169820
>will help with your delts anymore than any lift
top kek
you're saying flailing your arms around with no weight will make your delts grow? fuck /fit/ is retarded.

also, your ankles will never grow unless maybe you inject HGH

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>>35169626
SHOO SHOO

I used to love running, but my knees are not what they used to be. Choose cycling if you still like to see the scenery or the eliptical machine if you live in a bad neighborhood and don't want to be stabbed or hit by a car.

Does cardio after a workout destroy your gains or is this a meme?

>>35169341
But if he can enjoy delicious cake, train his legs and get a runners high then why shouldnt ge? Obviously there is more to gain from eating and running than from not eating.

>>35168829
If you run like a paraplegic maybe you can fuck your spine. No, it's not a cons of running.

>>35168840
>>35170361

>knees
Change shoes and run with proper form. 99% of the faggots with that kind of aches are running with wrong shoes. Bring your old shoes (really!) to a trainer or a sport shoes seller and they will guide to a proper choice.

>>35168903
>I think
I think you should educate yourself before expressing an opinion.

>>35170361
It's a proven meme. There's this thing called internet, search for publications on this matter.

>>35170088
Have you never seen a sprinter? Yeah, if you swing your arms hard and fast a lot they will grow. That motion is basically why your delts exist.

>your ankles will never grow unless you inject HGH
Or, you know, work the muscles that stabilize your ankle when you run.

>>35171179
>Have you never seen a sprinter? Yeah, if you swing your arms hard and fast a lot they will grow.
please tell me this is bait.
sprinters do some heavy weight lifting, especially in off season. thats the main reason why their muscles are so developed, not because of the actual 10s run.

>>35169010
I hope so, I can smell her from here, makes me feel dreamy

Lowered heart rate
Better endurance
Helps clear out the cobwebs
Helps keep your bodyweight low.

Will be able to spend all not monkeyfucking that delicious almost too tight cunt on a hot piece of ass like the girl in the OP.

>>35168829
lol

>>35170361
It's a meme. The opposite in fact, cardio increases the effectiveness of lifting.

>>35171101
>Change shoes and run with proper form
trust me I did all of that. i use asics now and also spent $300 on custom made orthopedics

Can't go running on hard cement like i did as a kid anymore
treadmill or grass thats it. or when I get home my knees achy and hurt like a motherfucker all night

Anyone else love to run/jog? I can see how alot of people would outright loathe cardio, but once the endorphins kick in, the pre workout takes effect listening to some Judas Priedt or something else that has a fast tempo, im on cloud 9.

>>35173206
what do you mean by the cobwebs? i think i know what you mean but what do you mean?

>>35173282

no u fuck

take ur shoes off and run on grass like we're supposed to

>>35173373
damn nigga having bad day?

>>35173346
i enjoy it but logically if you run 2 hours every other day your hunger is 4x

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>>35168741

Pros:
>Can outrun basically anyone, even ran from guards when free-riding a tram
>Heart feels fantastic
>easier to relax
>Your fucking lungs feel alive again
>You get into relaxing thoughts and even forget that you're actually running.
>Sex. Oh God. The sex gets hardcore.
>enjoy living long if running in moderation
>softer skin from rejuvenating it with the sweat.
Cons:
>It takes time
>You might want to leave your boring, mundane life when feeling the freedom when you get good technique and pace.

>>35173371
You know that feeling, like your heads stuck in mud and everything is in a haze or your minds stuck on GO AS FAST AS POSSIBLE?
That.
If I can't run I just do high rep high intensity full body bodyweight workouts till I'm exhausted.

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>>35170088
>one annons opinion
>calls entire fit retarded

Maybe its you who is the person in the pic?

>>35173460
>sex gets hArdxofe
Is this because you can go for a really long time at full speed?

>>35173460
>rejuvenated skin

I'll have 2 of what you're smoking plz!

>>35168829
if you find any cons to running you're literally a human fuckup in the flesh. humans were actually born to be able to run long distances...it's actually what has brought us to the top of the food chain.

>>35174118
>running long distance is what has brought us to the top of the food chain
kek

>>35169528
Impact

>>35171101

"correct" shoes are what makes you run wrong, subsequently destroying your knees if you ever switch shoes.

We have learned to run completely wrong, due to the shoes we wear. There's a tribe in Africa that hunts by literally out-running their prey. The prey escapes, but they just keep jogging, eventually catching up and tiring the animal down slowly. I'm not sure about the exact distances, but they can run entire days on rocks and sand with no shoes and rarely have knee injuries.

>>35168741
Cons:
Money, you need to change shoes every 3-6months, and they're expensive as shit.

>>35169619
>less muscles genius
Fewer, genius.

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>>35168829

>>35169528
You're going too fast

>>35174413
A lot less expensive than a gym

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>>35174209
>We have learned to run completely wrong, due to the shoes we wear.
No.

We learned to run wrong because we never run.

For 99% of the population, a proper shoe is necessary to transition into higher volumes of distance running (from their weak sedentary state).

After gaining efficiency and losing weight, less shoe tech is necessary.

Don't be so polarized about it. The shoe companies aren't out to "get" you.

>>35171101
how do you properly run?
ran 3 times last week while squatting 130k atg twice and had no problem

I run trying to keep back straight and body relaxed

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>mfw OP's pic looks like my girlfriend

>>35174854
poor lenny, if he didn't have super huge organs he would actually look pretty goddamn good

>>35168867
...there are multiple studies of marathon runners, and they commonly have scar tissue build up on their hearts.

>>35171041
Only if you don't want to be strong. You cannot be a runner and be strong. Just does not work that way.

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>>35168803
>tfw she runs her hand through my hair

Cold water (<45 F) outdoor endurance swimming is literally the best form of cardio available to you.

Dat brown fat mayne. Dat mental toughness. Plus swimming is superior in every way to running/rowing/cycling unless you're so physically disabled you aren't able to swim.

>>35168829

>running is bad for your joints
>2015

Thanks for the advice, mom

>>35168829
GR8B8M8

>>35168741
I did bodybuilding for years and got bored, so I decided to train for a 5k that my work was hosting. I did it and had fun so I decided to train for a marathon. It was like physically impossible to retain any weight that I had, I lost 20 lbs in the 6 months leading up to the marathon. Thats the only con I would say, running burns calories that you really dont need to burn if your goal is just looking good

>>35169154
THIS!

>>35176524
This. This is the only thing that's making me hesitant about picking up endurance running. I want to get up to 10km three times a week.

http://breakingmuscle.com/endurance-sports/endurance-training-is-bad-for-your-heart
>According to a study presented at the Canadian Cardiovascular Congress in Montreal, regular exercise reduces cardiovascular risk by a factor of two or three. That, of course, is a fantastic benefit. But the vigorous demand of running a competitive marathon increases cardiac risk by seven-fold.

>>35177415

there is a HUGE difference between running 10km a few times a week and running marathons

honestly you could probably run 100km a week without damaging your heart like that. Running 40km at a time is a huge strain on your entire body - you deplete all your short-term energy reserves and have your heart working hard for 3-4 hours at a time.

There's a reason why people can barely walk the day after running a hard marathon. Running 10km is easy for your body to do - if you build up to it over a couple months you could do that every day with no problem. 40km is much more than 4x harder on your body than 10km is.

>>35177506
Okay, thanks anon! Assuming that I run tuesdays, thursdays, and saturdays, what do you think would be the longest distance I could work up to safely? 20km?

>>35177521
Per week or per day? Because per week you can easily do at least 25-30 mi, minimum.

>>35177608
Per day, so 20 km for every tuesday, thursday, and sunday. 60 km total weekly. Should have clarified that, sorry.

>>35171101
How does one "run like a paraplegic?"

>>35174118
Autist detected

>>35177631
That's doable and will likely only have positive benefits.

Of course, I only run 5k six days a week. But I do go pretty fast.

>>35173460
>free-riding a tram
Melbourne bro?

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>>35168829
>best momscience of the year4

>>35173711
yes, exactly

>>35173854
after a long run >20km my skin feels amazing, no more pimples and soft as a baby

>>35174785
this, shoes get more and more irrelevant with training, but anyway please dont buy cheap ones
>>35177506
my doctor always says a marathon is unhealthy, but the training is

What's the ideal length/time to run every day?

I use to run 7 minute miles every other day (so around 3 miles a week) for around 2 or 3 years until a year ago. I would also do some lifting and miscellaneous exercises as well.

How well does biking affect cardio and your heart compared to running? Will i still get long term health benefits to my heart if I decide to use bike machines instead of running?

>>35168741
do you want to run on a treadmill?

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>>35178662
That is no fun

>>35178662
Other than being on a treadmill, are there any cons to it versus regular running? I like using the treadmill so I can track progression in speed more easily desu

>>35168963
Every session though..

'going to change it up a bit this morning boys'...

>>35178781
mirin running stats
not mirin 3G connection

>>35176524
Yep because when he said "Running. Pros/cons when already lifting 5x/week?" you should always assume he will be running marathon distances, right?
>Being this much of an ape in (current year)

>>35171101
Jesus christ you are an obnoxious cunt. Way to say absolutely nothing of value even in 5 quotes. You type like a passive aggressive 15 yr old girl who just read something racist on tumblr.

>>35178858
Italy is 3rd world senpai

>>35178781

Great if it's your first time on a long run! If you want to compete in smaller 5k or 10k races, you're going to need to pick up that pace quite a bit. You've got a long way to go if you want to compete in half or full marathons.

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>>35178915
Haven't been running since pic related, and never been a great runner anyway, i picked it up at 28 which is kinda late.
I fucked up my back on a bad dl a couple days after, then got a bit lazy and restarted yesterday because gym is closed

>>35178957
>2k calories burned
Shit, and I thought burning 700 total for a day's cardio was good. How do you eat that much bruv?

>>35179008
I just used to run a lot to make up for shitty diet. It was retarded desu

what are pros/cons of swimming?

>>35179008

You don't which is how you get a low BF%

>>35176524
>running 5x a week is at all equivalent to marathon running regularly
there is a huge amount of middle ground between those two things

>running long distance
>not doing HIIT
Confirmed for not making it senpais

>>35168741
Cons :
>cardio kills gains if you're a moron, up to 25-30% slower gains (tested by some studies, not random numbers)

Pros :
>cardio only kills gains if you run and lift within the same 4 hours
>or if you run for more than 4-5 x 1h
>don't die of a heart attack
>lower fat gains when bulking
>faster fat burn when cutting
>sweet, sweet endorphin (incredible confidence boost, sleep better, feel better even in the off days)
>have something in common with cardio bunny and soften the gym meathead stereotype people have of you if you're strong
>you didn't fall for the cardio kills gains meme
>you didn't blindly follow rippletits awful advice

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>>35179389

>do both
>best of both worlds

>>35179390
>>don't die of a heart attack
>he doesn't know about Jim Fixx

I still love cardio, tho

>>35179390
Also, le running is unhealthy meme is the cardio equivalent of saying that squats will fuck your knees.
It's only true if you're a fucking moron and you didn't learn proper form. Fit thinks that it can spend 2 years learning proper squat form but can just start running with perfect form without having to get educated first. Fucking morons.
Google front cycle running.

And studies showing running is bad are performed on people who run too much for their level of fitness (people doing marathons without the proper training, only barely "being able to run for that long" while fucking their shit up). It's exactly like taking a curl bro and having him snap his back on deadlifts and knees of squats, then blaming squats and deadlifts. I have bad news for you.

I usually run 3 miles before I lift usually takes 30 minutes. Am I fucked?

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>>35179465
You should probably do half of that, performance and results-wise, but if you enjoy it then keep at it, why give a fuck?

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>>35179415
> pic
fantastic motivation

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>>35176524
holy shit are you retarded m8

>>35179465
generally best to split up cardio and strength as doing one before the other means you won't have sa much energy for the latter.

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>>35169065
Of course; that thought was constantly on my mind. I forced myself to always make sure to not strike with the heel while running and kept an upright position. Then for squats, always analyzing my squat and deadlift forms, just to make sure that my lower back and knees weren't out of line.

The real problem was that I overdid it as a beginner. Running (literally sprinting) 5k+ 6 days a week under 24 minutes is not very good on your legs if you're a rookie like me. I should have started out slower and with less distance.

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Oh my God this board is officially full of ex-fat now permanently bulking retards who aren't interested in fitness, just in getting as wide as humanly possible. Enjoy your heart disease, wheybrains.

>>35168741

I simply don't get running. I have decent legs from squatting. But every time I go running I'm dying after 10 minutes. Not simply grasping for air, but literally barely can move my legs and my sight is darkening. How can it be that my legs so good at squatting but so bad at running.

>>35179640
different muscle groups being used in different ways
also it takes time for your body to get more efficient at carrying oxygen through your bloodstream

>>35179640

>lifting != cardio

this is like universally accepted knowledge

>>35179640
Your heart is weak and can't get blood to your muscles and brain fast enough for you to do one of the most basic human activities. You're as weak as a fat person. The size of your leg muscles is almost irrelevant to how far or fast you can run.

>>35179426
Running is definitely healthy in some quantities, but if you're running more than a few hours a week, it really is bad for you. Chronic inflammation is a thing, and the constant, steady stress that that sort of exercise puts on the body doesn't do any favours to the cardiovascular system (without even talking about joints or bones).

People who run a few hours a week are healthier than the general population, but people who're constantly doing marathons are actually less healthy in general than sedentary people.

Interval training is also more efficient for improving health, especially in terms of time used, but if you like running then there's no reason not to do it in moderation.

The ideal man runs, swims and weightlifts. Gotta unleash your natural potential c'mon.

>>35179729
This desu. I run, lift, and swim six days a week. I've never been healthier in my life.

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>>35168829
>all those idiots falling for that bait

>>35168829
you forgot sudden death. Always include sudden death.

>>35179729
I ain't gay so I don't care what your ideal is, bruv

>>35179799
I'm sure girls love the idea of a man who is out of breath after 10 min of elevated heart rate.

>>35178957
>Italian masterrace

Have a merry Immacolata my friend

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gotta run daily here for muh PT test, its hard at 240lbs 5'11 but when you lean out it doesnt even fucking matter your gonna get sorta good run times despite your wheight 12 min 1.5 mile is what i normaly do but with DHEA and DIM to increase my hormone level and decrease my estrogen im gonna get lean as fuck on my new diet/life style, pushups 300 rep, squats 300 rep broken into 30 reps in between my running, laptime run a lap and try to hit under that time as much as possible i do 12 laps and the in between , 100 meter sprinting either the long or short alternating days i do 12 laps and the in between and upper back before the running so i have better running posture i do dips, pullups, lat pull down and lat raises all till failure, i do sprinting 1 day and laptime the next with calistinics on inbetween that daily and upper back before i even begin the run, 7 days a week 500mg of DHEA and DIM split amongst the day and endless results/endurance

>>35174854
GOLEM GET YE GONE

>>35180131
What the fuck did I just read?

>>35174139
not that guy, but he does have a point

>>35178781
app? Looks neato

>>35179737
You must eat like an elephant.

>>35180793
looks like runkeeper

>>35179709
complete bullshit

Just make sure your form isn't causing excessive impact on your joints. Run on the side of the road/grass/dirt whenever possible. Trails a best but not everyone has forests in their backyard
Swing your arms straight rather than across your body for best results

I used to be a decent mid-distance runner (17:30 5k, 4:36 mile) and I swear, my lungs just wouldn't quit.
My biggest limitation was leg strength, but lifting and running will mitigate that for you anon

>>35178872
There's nothing "aggressive" in the post you're quoting; on the other side, in yours...

>>35174118

long walks and short sprints actually.

>>35168741
As long as you're not doing Long distance runs then you're fine just do HIIT otherwise you WILL fuck up your lifting.
>Inb4 a mad runnkek with less than 2/3/4/5 starts talking.

>>35169528
Biking and rowing use muscle strength as well as cardio, running is the most cardio-y of all the exercises, with the exception of racewalking.

>>35179097
Pros
>good full body workout
>low impact
Cons
>Drowning
>Literally no casual races like running has, either train for the Olympics or triathlons

>>35179709
>running more than a few hours a week is bad
Literally retarded. Running isn't like lifting, you can do it almost every day with no negative side effects. Running a few hours is like nothing.

Also HIIT is a fucking meme too. I have no idea why people circlejerk to it here, it's for ATHLETES trying to improve racing times, not for fat people trying to lose weight. HIIT will hurt your recovery and burn you out unless you're a dedicated runner. I swear the people who say tabata/HIIT in every thread probably don't even do it or do it correctly.

>>35180793
>>35181156
Yup, Runkeeper

>>35180860
3000-3500kcal a day.

>>35183411
YOU do not do HIIT correctly and you are clearly not allowing enough recovery time if you're burning out.
I do HIIT 5 times a week and have only improved all across the board, especially endurance. Not everyone is a weak bitch like you, anon.
I've been doing HIIT on and off for the last year.

>>35185599
>HIIT 5 days a week
>thinks it's not hurting his performance
Confirmed for not making it.

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>>35176541
>You cannot be a runner and be strong. Just does not work that way.

Yes you can, and yes it does.

You won't be a 250 lb mass monster and run a 5K quickly, which is true.

However, you can be aerobically fit and very strong.

Olympic middle distance runners or decathletes are good examples. Great stamina, and lifts that would put 99.9% of /fit/ to shame.

>>35179640
>How can it be that my legs so good at squatting but so bad at running.

No aerobic fitness.

You probably run too fast for your fitness level (VO 2).

You need to slow down.

>>35176541
lol nice joke bro standard highschool soccer player can run a good mile and put up impressive squat numbers

>>35171179
I already know the picture of the guy you're thinking of, and no, his delts are big because he's on roids which is why he's in the Olympics in the first place.

>>35185747
this. middle distance is the key. marathoners etc are skellingtons but most milers are decently muscular. not by /fit/ standards of course

Im female and I wanna bury my head in that and inhale.

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>>35173206
>cobwebs
?

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>>35185963
>imma feemele and i going 2 bery mi hed in dat and enhele

>>35179709
>if you like running then there's no reason not to do it in moderation.

A whole generation of limp-wristed little poufs that don't understand the concept of "competition".

>>35185599
I do HIIT correctly because I'm a RUNNER, not some fat powerlifter trying meme cardio workouts because he can't run a mile without stopping. If you do HIIT 5 days a week you're literally retarded, or a college sprinter.

>>35187250
>I'm a RUNNER, not some fat powerlifter

Watch it.

>>35187276
I'm just saying most people that do HIIT/tabata are precisely the people that shouldn't do it, at least initially. It's the same problem with Crossfit, casual fitness enthusiasts trying to tackle an intense athletic training program, it will only end in injury. Nobody thinks you should squat bodyweight on your first day at the gym, so why do people recommend a sprinting program to people with zero cardio experience?

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>>35176524
>humans are made for running
>running fucks up your body
I don't understand.

>>35187444
>I don't understand.
Humans aren't "meant" to run.

We're meant to procreate and pass on genes successfully.

Being able to run well was an advantage, in most climates/regions.

If you couldn't run well, you weren't "meant" to live.

Now, because of civilization, we can run if we choose.

>>35187662
But wouldn't it work like this?
>natural selection only allows those who can run constantly to live
>running is unhealthy
>some humans born with healthy traits for running strive more than the others
>so humans today should have no problem running
Seems weird to me. Maybe it's the way we run? I heard that you're not supposed to step with your heel but with the ball of your feet because that puts pressure on the knee.

>>35187759
Yeah, most people run "wrong" when they start out. Hitting the ground with your heel will kill your knees, mainly because heelstrikers tend to extend their legs out in front of them too far, which causes a braking effects. Essentially you're moving forward, but your foot is pushing backwards towards your knee and will fuck your shit up. Make sure you land on your midfoot with your shins almost perpendicular to the ground. The goal should be to let gravity do most of the work.

>>35187662

the only purpose in life is to procreate good meme kiddo :^)

>>35187759
>so humans today
Humans today have been dodging natural selection for many thousands of years.

Agriculture, the industrial revolution, and a sedentary lifestyle have left us ill-prepared to run like our distant ancestors.

>Maybe it's the way we run? I heard that you're not supposed to step with your heel but with the ball of your feet because that puts pressure on the knee.
The fact that people don't "know how to run" just shows how removed we are from our roots.

If I mad you run every day and you could keep your injuries at bay, you would eventually settle into an optimal gait.

>>35187868
>good meme kiddo :^)
I've passed on my genes to a son.

There is more to life than just that, but the universe doesn't give 3 shits about meaning.

I'm guessing you haven't procreated.

May your genes die away, leaving mine to inherit this Japanese fish trading forum.

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>>35187885

may you live forever

>>35168829
yes and you will go to jail

>>35168963
looks like a great machine to get stuck in

>>35178957
>>35178781
what app is that

>>35168741
Name? Sauce?
>>35168803
This very much.

>>35169020
>more blood in body
u wot m8?

>>35187276
Watch it? Watch what? Your gut get bigger? Your back double over as you struggle to get up the stairs? Stick with your permabulk, wheybrain. You're nothing but a wide retard, lifting to justify your degenerate lard.

>>35187759
evolution/natural selection doesnt care about if something works better or is perfect, it just has to be 'good enough' Organic systems have thousands of redundant systems that evolution doesnt weed out because it still works

>>35179637

what the FUCK did I just saw??

Every time I run I get shin splints. What the fuck am I doing wrong? I do dynamic stretches beforehand, walk for like 10 minutes before as a warm up, and do longer stretches after.

>>35187828
there is no wrong way to run, heel/mid/front running all have their pros and cons especially in with a bad form

i hate it that all half informed lazy piece of shits say MountStupidStuff
>heelrunning will always kill your knees and or shins
>also midfoot striking will often fuck up the feet/ankles of heavier people
Master degree in orthopedics here and doing decathlons and marhatons since i was 17

>>35185785
Eh, I don't think squatting ~200 lbs is impressive. Chasing that 600 mark is where you start to earn respect. Plus, that is legs, those kids could not deadlift or bench worth shit.

>>35185747
We have different ideas of strong then. You can be decent at both, or great at one.

Just run 1-3 miles a day/every other day, trying to get a better time on a nice route you enjoy. Great for overall health benefits, practical if you're ever invited to play soccer, basketball, ultimate frisbee, whatever, and keeps the fat off. Switch between a steady pace and HIIT style sprinting.

Or better yet, play a sport with a lot of running, and push yourself.

When I was lifting, I played basketball every Tuesday, and my cardio shot up to respectable levels in 3 weeks/sessions, while my lifts kept going up. We finished off a game with 1v1, 1 shot wins, the winner keeps playing, so he gets gassed and eventually loses and someone else plays until he loses. Eventually, we could all play nonstop for at least an hour.

In other words, I hope you have friends.

Just took a run on the beach yesterday.
Could I do a run today when I am feeling a little bit sore in my muscles?

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>not being able to run a 5k in 25 minutes
>calling yourself fit

>>35194717
Yeah, just take it easy.

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>>35191420
>You're nothing but a wide retard, lifting to justify your degenerate lard.
Nah.

I was a 4:20 miler, now turned powerlifter (1510 lb total).

I just like both disciplines.

Keep generalizing, because I'm sure you've achieved neither feat.

>>35194907
Ok, thanks for the reply.

Daily reminder that if you can't wake up any day of the week and run 4 miles in under 32 minutes, you're not a real man and are not /fit/.

>be me
>realise I'm fat from pics at the pool
>skinny fat
>decide to do something
>decide on running
>go running for 2 hours
>must stop every 2 minutes
>utterly destroyed my knees
>takes 2 months to walk normally again
>after the running, I even "lifted" bullshit without a method or counting reps, literally just moving some weights around like a clueless piece of shit

That's how I "started" back in 2009 or so. I'm ashamed, but proud of what I've accomplished now. Doing serious stuff now, good form, program, and all that.

>>35179485

>guy on the left
>priceless expression

I can row faster than I can run, for every distance except 100-200m

500m, would row faster
1km would row faster
2km (lel, as if I could run 2km without stopping)
5km (see above)

>>35195413
>tfw you're almost there
>still working on thursday

>>35195413
Explain a realistic modern situation where an adult man needs to run 4km at a moments notice where a car/bike/razr scooter couldnt be used instead

No zombie apocalypse horseshit

Pls, im waiting

Fuck you cardio and 'real man' bullshit. Men dont run away from things

>>35168741
Pros:
Muh dick

Cons:
???

>>35196081
Real men run toward things.

Jumping up and running four kilometers is as useful of a skill as a four plate squat to an accountant. Not doing something and not being able to do something are two different things, and he's right, you should be able to run a decent range at any point. If you can't run lmao4km at whatever point during the day, you are by definition not a man.

>>35168903

humans are running MACHINES

its what we did for hundred of thousands of years you fucking faggot

>>35196217
This desu

Can you believe how much these fat losers cry when you mention running?

>mah joints

If running a mile a day is going to destroy your joints, you're out of shape, period. Fuck, in middle school in the 80s we ran a mile every day as a warmup before we started class, which was sometimes fucking running.

Millennials are a pussy generation of man children, baka