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Veganism is a meme

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good article regarding the vegan trolls

http://authoritynutrition.com/top-5-reasons-why-vegan-diets-are-a-terrible-idea/
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>>35152905

>good article
>uses saturated fat denial as a point
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vegans aren't troll they're just completely autistic.
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>>35152905

>2015 Update: This article was written in 2013. I have since changed my mind about vegan diets. I do think that they can be healthy when properly planned and based on whole, unprocessed foods.
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>>35153350
BTFO
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Veganism is just as healthy as a non-vegan diet. Arguing over veganism is retarded unless you're willing to consider ethical philosophy.
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do you people actually think humans were meant to eat meat?
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Dumbest fucking article I've ever seen. Read the literature dumbass. Stop looking for articles to pander to you.
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>>35152905

The energy and recources needed to create equivalent protein in a vegetarian diet (including dairy and eggs) is far less than that of meat. The beef industry is the #1 water polluter in the country.

The only reason to go vegetarian would be environmental (moral, if you want to call it that).
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>>35154141

This whole idea of "meant to eat meat" is pants on head retarded. Are you suggesting we were designed then? That a specific goal was in mind when we were created?

If we didn't start out as omnivores, we fuckin are now. Deal.
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>>35154230
don't make it too complex savage. Just get informed. The human body is the body of an herbivore. If you want to eat meat you can but don't act like your body is designed to process meat and dairy. If it was than we wouldn't see the correlation between animal products and chronic disease.
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>>35154230
church
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>>35154255
>designed

Literally no human was "designed" for anything, get the fuck out, sop trolling.
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>>35154255
>don't make it too complex
it only seems complex to you because of your iron deficiency.
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>>35154255
he was saying that the body is not designed. our bodies have evolved naturally based on environmental circumstances. you're acting like a dick being straight up kindred.
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>>35154230

>If we didn't start out as omnivores, we fuckin are now.

A behavior that's not advantageous in the year 2015
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>>35154307
>>35154310
>>35154313
Jesus Christ. Arguing about a word. You get the point.
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>>35154331

You don't get to decide that. Survival of the fittest will decide that. So stop making these ridiculous posts you pen so you can shit on people you disagree with.

That goes for you too OP, there's no reason to shit on Vegans or Vegetarians for their adult choices.
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>letting your body dictate what you eat
i guess flint tipped spears are wrong too :^)
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>>35154363
It's advantageous to use tools and weapons. To gain progress. It is not advantageous to eat something that causes chronic disease.
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>>35153350
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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vegan here . brb saving animals.
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>>35154417
is it also advantageous to not waste time on an argument that's been proven over and over again to not change minds?

Just like loli threads.
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>>35154441
What are you doing to save them?
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>>35153350
An all meat diet could be healthy if planned meticulously, but it's still objectively inferior to an omnivorous diet. The same holds true for veganism.
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>>35154141
How does it feel to lie so obviously? Do you just think that the more audacious the lie, the less likely it is to be challenged?
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>>35154541
No actually not. See scientific literature that says that optimal meat consumption is zero.
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For the people saying meat and dairy is shit...

No. I'm pretty fucking sure dairy is shit but meat is not. We have been eating meat for a long time during our evolution but we have not been eating dairy for a long time. Dairy is even proven to be allergenic and immunologic. Lots of anecdotes of this too. Go look it up if you don't believe me. Is meat allergenic or immunologic? Fuck no. Why would a certain food cause problems to people's body if we were meant to consume it?

Why would cigarettes damage people's bodies if we were meant to smoke?
Why would alcohol damage people's bodies if we were meant to drink it?
Why would dairy damage people's bodies if we were meant to drink it?
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>>35154552
how is it a lie? Just get educated please.
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>>35154561
Meat causes chronic disease. You're misinformed about this subject.
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>>35154556
Yes it could. Indigestable meat fibers can mimic the role of cellulose in the diet, and you can get every multi vitamin from an animal product if you vary your sources enough. Is it ideal just because it's possible? No, but neither is veganism, which is the point I'm making. Possible doesn't mean ideal.

>>35154562
>jaypeg referencing a no name author shilling for veganism somehow trumps over a century of anthropological and biological science

Fucking kek.
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>>35154141
Humans aren't supposed to eat peppers, that's why spicy is painful. Yet we still do it and have culture built around it. Also there are health benefits to eating spicy foods too. Point being, humans excel at fucking nature in the ass and using it to remain at the top.
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>>35154592
wat
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>>35154593

Peppers cause an allergic reaction.

I don't know about you but I don't like my tongue burning, nose running and then later on my asshole being on fire.
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>>35154541

>An all meat diet could be healthy if planned meticulously

no it can'tt

>but it's still objectively inferior to an omnivorous diet. The same holds true for veganism.

no it doesn't

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3967195/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4073139/
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>>35154604
Are you fucking retarded?
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>>35154600
Not that hard to comprehend.

>>35154609
It's not allergic really, at least not entirely. There's a few factors at play that make you react that way. Personally I love spicy foods a ton.

>>35154613
Ok bro.
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ITT: Delusional meat eaters who are scientifically illiterate.
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>>35154230
>>35154350
>>35154307
>such reckless autism
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>>35154631
You understand that there is enough food for animals and humans right? In fact if we all ate vegan we would actually have food for all the starving people in the world because we wouldn't be giving most of our grain to enslaved animals. Plus its way more land consuming to farm meat than vegetables. Meat isn't sustainable. Watch cowspiracy for more info.
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>>35154682

>had an agenda

Obviously, it had an environmentalist agenda
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>>35154682
You've got to be retarded. Is this a troll?
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>>35154661
We already have enough food for starving people, and then some. It's because of capitalistic reasons that those who need it don't get it, not because of animals. Are vegans really this ignorant?
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>>35154705
What im saying is that starving families sell their grain to give to cows in the united states etc. etc.
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>>35154636
>>35154347
That matters, because there is no such thing as a peg which fits perfectly into a hole called "perfect human diet". We weren't designed for anything. From an evolutionary perspective, the only thing that matters is being able to produce as much viable offspring as possible. We were not "designed" to live as long as possible, even though we want to. And we use tons of unnatural medications and treatments to keep ourselves alive, even though we weren't designed for them. That doesn't make them wrong, but the point is that there is not some sort of single, perfect path in life. Something that's beneficial in the short term could theoretically be catastrophic in the long term. That doesn't make it right or wrong. It just is.

Even vegetarians don't all eat the same plant, and even fruitarians don't all eat the same fruit. We're not a car designed with some specific fuel in mind. Humans are capable of thriving on tons of varied diets, and we're different enough from person to person that the diet that one thrives on could be destructive to another.

Every single choice we make is made up of innumerable costs and benefits. It's not like when you choose your food you're selecting between premium, regular or unleaded fuel. It's not even remotely that simple.
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>>35154731
this picture is erotic, am i gay?
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>>35154800
MODS
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>>35154613
>cross-sectional online survey
>7th day adventists whose religion specifically encourages VEGANISM and has the obvious residual confounding factor of increased religious adherence

>>>/trash/
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Why are people trying to stop others from going vegan? If they want to look like shit, that's their own problem.
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>>35154492

Absolutely nothing of course.

They think that by merely cutting all animal products from their diet, they are going to save the planet.

They speak of empathy, friendliness and compassion, yet vegans are the angriest and most passive aggressive fucks I have ever met.

Because you are either a saint for being a vegan, or you're a violent socyopath meat eater.
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>>35154634

As if vegans ever where.
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>B12
>B12
>B12

What is up with this stupid meme? You know you can just supplement it. Same with DHA and Creatine. If this is the best argument against veganism that is really sad considering all that is coming out showing animal product's correlation with cancers

Meat eaters are fucking stupid
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>>35154141
>I put stuff in a chart so it's true now!
These 'facts' are nonsense. How often do you chew 'side to side' you cow?
>Omnivores have a large mouth opening vs head size.
Pic related.
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>>35154141
>Carnivores and omnivores have no digestive enzymes
No way this is real
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>>35156768
Literally why even eat something? Just use total parenteral nutrition, it's so much superior to every diet.

I can't believe how some of you still believe in the "eat" meme.
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>>35156768
It just proves that we aren't supposed to eat vegan. We need b12 and if you can't get it in your diet then you're diet is wrong
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>>35157296
This is some redneck logic if I have ever seen it
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Keto is a meme
Raw veganism is a meme
Regular veganism is mostly a meme
Paleo is probably a meme
Macro ratio diets are almost certainly a meme
Why can't you autists just eat a balanced diet without sperging out?
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>>35157350
>Why can't you autists just eat a balanced diet without sperging out?
>autists
Answered your own question there desu. Normal diet is boring diet.
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>>35154561
Things aren't divided cleanly into "healthy" and "not-healthy." It's about pros and cons. Smoking can make you more alert, relax you, and suppresses appetite, but the smoke itself is ducking horrible for you and increases risk of lung cancer and COPD. Alcohol can be a good source of micronutrients but alcohol itself is technically a toxin and can cause problems in large or chronic amounts. Some foods can be healthy micronutrient-wise but have shit macros (Fruits) or be too calorie dense to eat on a cut (Nuts). Food is all about context.
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>>35153350
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>>35154141
are you this retarded?!
this chart don't include other predatory feature that the human have: like eyes oriented to the front not the side , acute visual motion detection ect...
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>>35157310
B12 isn't made by animals faggot, it's made by bacteria mostly in the dirt. Eating animals is a passive way to get it, you can also just harvest the bacteria culture and fortify food with it.
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>>35157521
weak bait
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>>35157417
>Some foods can be healthy micronutrient-wise but have shit macros (Fruits)
You fucking what?
Fruits have virtually the perfect macros for humans to thrive, live healthy, and have tons of energy.
Your arbitrary unhealthy macros do not change the basics of what it's macros are vs what our bodies should have.
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>>35152905
>not becoming a flexitarian, eating meat once or twice a week whilst enjoying 90% of the health benefits veganism has to offer
>2015
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>>35152905
If you're a vegan you're a LOW ENERGY MALE
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>>35158338
What? I'm not some ketard who thinks all carbs are bad, but that doesn't change the fact that fruit is literally just fiber and sugar. Yeah, fiber's good, but the sugar is unnecessary unless you need energy for some activity. Most have fuck all protein and fat, so clearly it's not the "perfect" macros to thrive.
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>>35157277

underrated post, also CHECK 'EM!
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lol vegans getting btfo
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>>35158369
>calling a normal diet flexitarian
>basically 2016
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>>35156768
>y-y-yeah my diet it's healthy!
>I supplement everything it's missing!

Fucking what?
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>>35152905
Hitler was a vegetarian. It is the evil man's lifestyle diet choice.
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>>35154561

>No. I'm pretty fucking sure dairy is shit but meat is not. We have been eating meat for a long time during our evolution but we have not been eating dairy for a long time

This isn't an argument, this is an appeal to nature fallacy.
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>>35156768
>5% of population gets a type of cancer
>6% of meat eaters gets the same type of cancer

MEAT CAUSES CANCER HURRDURRR, VEGANS UNITE
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>>35159972

>Meat eaters be like

"Just gonna get a little cancer, Stan. Tell WHO it's okay"
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>>35152905
You people are wishful idiots who are looking to jump on a bandwagon just so you can feel like you're above others. You're going to get cancer as you get older anyways you massive faggots.
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>>35160176

>being this scornful

a nice vegan diet will smooth out those mood swings senpai
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>>35160208
A vegan diet will do the opposite desu.
>tfw carb roller coaster.
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>>35160246

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22333737

>implying carbs don't improve mood

http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2004/carbs
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>>35160272
>Implying carbs are superior to the mighty proteens.
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>>35160002
>tumblr
plzgo
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>>35154721
America uses mostly domestic grain and grain refuse for feeding it's cattle. We don't have impoverished Ethiopian farmers selling us their lentils.
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>>35154141
do you actually think humans were meant to use computers?
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>>35160272
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22333737
>VEG participants were directed to avoid all animal foods except dairy for the 2-wk trial period.
>avoid all animal foods except dairy
>except dairy
>dairy

Is dairy vegan?
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>>35160517

same in full vegans

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25415255

no meat means happier people
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>>35160580
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25415255
>The improved mood domains were not consistent with those found in other studies, which may be due to methodological differences.

Sounds really convincing, I will stick to my dairy thank you; inb4 prostate cancer.
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>>35160614
Lol this. It's like vegans don't even read the links they take off of veganshills.org before posting them.
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>>35160614
The biggest factor to colon cancer is slow bowel movements. Dairy has little impact on stats.
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>>35160715
huh? I said prostate cancer. Dairy calcium increases the risk of prostate cancer last time I checked.

Dairy actually lowers colonrectal cancer:
"This meta-analysis supports the inverse association between nonfermented milk consumption and risk of colon cancer in men, and provides an evidence base to assist in the formulation of dietary guidelines involving dairy foods."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24499149

Not that it matters I'm probably going to die of lung cancer anyways.
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>>35160808
Sorry. Misread senpai :/
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>>35154141
What a shit-show
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>>35160808
Everything gives you cancer apparently. No fucks given at this point.
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I'm just going to leave this here: http://www.livescience.com/24875-meat-human-brain.html

vegans are literal, LITERAL degenerates. Like, the actual meaning of the term degenerate instead of /pol/ memeing.
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vegan be like
> yeah but you dont eat meat raw out of the carcas

well you dont eat potatos and carrots raw out of the soil either do you?
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>>35152905
Meat, especially beef, is terrible for the environment. If nothing else cut back on beef and stick to chicken/fish. Most parts of the world, including most of the US, is already using an unsustainable amount of water and beef is really really bad for water consumption
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>>35154609
Scrub
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>>35160272
>Failure to monitor weight of the participants beyond the baseline BMI calculation was a study limitation, possibly missing weight fluctuations that could confound mood.

fatties lost weight eating more calorically dilute foods and felt better

wow omg it must be the meat!!!1
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>>35153350
Fucksake.
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>>35154609
>allergic reaction

No, they bind to the vanillin receptors on your tongue.
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>>35159014
>Hitler
>evil
>vegetarian

Pick one
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>>35162051

So what you're saying is

>meat makes you fat
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>>35166083
too many calories makes you fat
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>>35152905
>mfw friend of mine tried to tell me that people aren't designed/meant to eat animals whatsoever
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>>35166249
Humans are frugivores.
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>>35166253
Pls be b8
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>>35166265
Educate yourself.
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>>35157658
>harvest the bacteria culture
Wtf? You think people would have ever known to do that, historically speaking?

I'm with >>35157296
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>>35166253
fruit is a laxative in humans, you'd literally die on a fruit-diet
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>>35166253
>>35166316

Become a fruititarian, it'd be a hilarious way to hear of an anon that sort of accidentally an heroed
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>>35166334

tell that to these two
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>>35166380
>more vegan propaganda b8
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>>35166380
>Freelee Fitrawvegan
>'Yes, I changed my name I am so committed'

KEK
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>>35166380
Does this diet have any evidence that it changes peoples bodies for the better? Or a 2 skinny bogan cunts enough to fuel this meme?
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>>35154141
>do you people actually think humans were meant to eat meat?
>wear clothes
>fly planes
>travel into space
>build computers
>keep other creatures as pets
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I like eating dead animals, fuck off.
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>>35168357
Lol it's evolutionary novel.
Don't think so small, we will conquer the stars, reach the edge of the universe - and stick our hand out.
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