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Who here /making it/? Post your progress bros.

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Who here /making it/?

Post your progress bros.
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No one here making it?
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I'm trying. First week at they gym and sore as fuck.
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>>35149272
No
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hitting a bit of a plateau desu
gonna rejig my routine and hit it harder
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>>35149141
Got back into lifting from taking a year off. Idk if it's muscle memory, along with my genes, but i gained 12 pounds in 3 months while losing bf. Making it so far.
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i think ive done pretty well losing some weight and making so trap gains
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First time posting something like this, took last pic today, first year was a bit slow, picking up speed now.
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>>35152296

fuck yes man.
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>>35149141
>alt art of jake the dog
>inspirational quote
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>>35152296
Holy shit dude keep it up!
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>>35152296
This is the kind of stuff that makes me want to go on. Great fucking work, keep it up.
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>>35149555
Checked

Lost 30 pounds since june, while gaining some muscle, so yeah, makin it so far, but gotta continue
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>>35152296
Don't slip now, Alfredo. You've gone from fat as fatass to human being. Now its time to go from human being to MAN.
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>>35150380
don't really notice a big difference yet. Probably hard to see in pictures but you'll get there keep at it bro
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>>35152296
Is that the same T-shirt?
Also great work dude
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>>35152296
mirin progress. You're gonna make it.
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>gf of 2~ years leaves me
>shoot myself in the head
>survive
>hospitalized for a month or so
>lost job
>reconnect with family
>move back in with parents
>continue lifts
>break new PRs frequently
>bf% lowering every week
>acquire $60k job a few days ago
>people notice me more
>more girls flirting with me
>going to church again
>spending more time with friends

Every day, week, and month gets better. Some days are tough, with the emotional weight of it all seeming impossible to carry. But I keep moving and keep working. I make my body and mind stronger to be the best version of myself I can be.

There's a quotation that gets posted a lot in motivation threads. "Ask not for less weight, but stronger shoulders to carry it with". Something like that. I keep that idea in my head every moment I can.
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>>35153240
If you tried to kill yourself over a girl I have one tip for you, next time do it right with the gun behind your ear
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>>35153261
Thanks
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>>35153266
Yw, have a nice day
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>switched to doing intermittent fasting/leanagains for the past year and a half
>great results first 6 months
>since then severe depression kicked in, I'm a complete failure in my professional life, broke up with my gf of 2 years
>these days probably 60% of my calories come from alcohol and I keep telling myself that it will be okay bc IF will help me keep the fat off
>still look shredded to the average person but I can see myself just looking more and more hungry skelly and making no strength gains

Anyone else making reverse progress? Just wanna kill myself every day
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>>35152296
keep going fami
we're all gonna make it
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>>35153288
Stop drinking. Trust me, it's the first step of a long journey to getting your shit together.

Drinking offers nothing if it's alone.
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>>35152296
Wow man, all that hard work paying off. Good for you
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>>35153407
I can't come close to functioning unless I'm at least a little bit buzzed...I can't even remember the last time I was stone sober for more than an hour or two
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>>35153426
Sounds like you are even worse than I was. I probably don't have any advice to offer considering that but I will suggest you need to quit ASAP.
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>>35152296
nice work brother, keep up the good shit
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Wwll, i am not a 24/7 depresed fuck, i stoped playing videogames and i am fucking a chubby that teaches me how to properly fuck.
Also i am not a skelly anymore.

One day i may
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People I haven't seen in awhile are impressed by my gains.
>mfw

Feels good brehs.
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>>35149141
>2 years ago depressed obese (340 lbs) fucktard with 11k debt
>Decide to turn shit around get 2 jobs and start dieting/lifting
>now I'm ottermode, kinds shredded and got 200 euro on bankaccount (payed off all my debt last month, had to work 55 hours weekly thou
>get mired all the time, girls flirting/texting often want to hook up
>turn them all down because the out of 4 times i muttered up confidence to go through with it 2 just turned me down after i took off my shirt and the other 2 didnt say anything but had an absolute look off disgust and didnt broek contact with me after
>have terrible loose skin btw
>die calculations and still have to grind for 13 months in my hard jobs to pay for the 2 surgeries i need to look good without clothes
>dont know if i can bear with it for another 13 months

Look good with clothes on and I'm good with girls but getting crushed like that by 4 girls gave me Some serious intimacy/trust issues. I lived alone for this whole time cuz i got kicked out by my psychotic drunk father at the age of 19 a few months after my heroïn addicted brother had been thrown out. I've also been taking care of him this whole time aswell as being a pillar for my mom who still has to live with my Dad. Dont know how long i can take this anymore...
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>>35152344
ikr xD
internet autists, man.
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>>35155344
I want people to notice but I don't know how to react to it. Mostly because I used to be a fatass so I look better but still not great.
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>>35153240
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>>35153240
Im fucking proud of you. A lot of people would just let the apathy swallow them in that situation. You're a beast of man, keep it up.

>>35155451
All progress is great.
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7 month progress, what body fat percentage do you think I'm at?? caliper says 16%
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>>35152296
good fuckin work
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>>35153240
Sorry if not related, but did you have brain damage from the gun. or did it miss your brain entirely?

Also nice work mang
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>>35155419
Were all gonna make it brother.
I was 300 pounds and I got to 230 in 4 months.
I got terrible breast tissue gyno I can't work off.
It will only make you stronger and more dedicated.
And those girls that rejected you aint good girls anyways, a real woman would want you for you.
You're gonna make it man.
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Started training a year ago now
Up 15kg and sitting at around 14% bf but trying to bulk up to 90kg body weight (at 89 kg now) so almost there
Im actually getting futher from making it, lost my gf and havent gotten laid in almost a year now and i dont know how to break this spiral
>not gonna make it
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>>35155577
Thanks man, just been really down past 5 weeks barely eating or lifting and drinking to much. Feel like all the shit isnt worth it, considering seeing a therapist atm.

Greet job on your progress bro!
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>>35153240
You seriously tried to kill yourself over a girl? Jesus christ, it's like women are literally the only thing that matters to the average /fit/ poster. The state of having or not having sex/a gf is the difference between happiness and sadness here. I don't mean to be rude but don't you have anything else? Hobbies, friends, family, a career, goals, passion...? Is it all just pussy?
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Need to drop about 20 more lbs wanna lose the love handles and have some definition in my arms when they're relaxed

This is about 90 lbs down, I'm 6'2 235(ish)
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>>35155804
Back progress in the last few months
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>>35155830
Marvelous progress m8
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pulled off a chad and banged a hottie yesterday that's taller than me. spent all morning in front of her mirror flexing. was fun.
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>>35155777
Try St Johns wort broseph you can get it at wally world
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>>35155804
Those are some dogshit tattoos m9
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>>35155910
Damn I left out the
>inb4 shitty tattoos

Yeah I know I get it every thread faggot
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>>35155935
Well you should
[spoiler] Cause they're shit [/spoiler]
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m8 said 'you're looking square'
fucking chuffed brahs
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>>35152296
Keep going. You're not there yet.
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>>35155520
13%
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>>35156834
nice back, needs more chest and arms
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>>35156834
Them face gains tho
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>>35152317

this is a cozy picture
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>>35153240

good stuff
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>>35152296
Slaying fat acceptance like a pro
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>>35156834
No way.... well done!

>>35152296
I hope every admiration reply you get motivates you to work even more!
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>>35155520
About 13 I'd guess, I am at 16% and I look much fatter than that.
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>>35155801
For me it was more of just having a partner I thought would be with me for a long time. As time goes on I keep losing best friends due to sheer circumstance, and losing my closest friend yet, it became too much for me.

I do find happiness in other aspects of my life. I have plenty of friends I see and talk to everyday. I tend to be one of the more social ones in the group too. My family is all very close, including my cousins and aunts and uncles. In terms of passions I write music all the time and sketch portraits as much as I can. For my career, I want to contribute to the development of Artificial Intelligence.

It wasn't about the girl, but wanting to share my life with someone who understood me pretty well. At least now that I've felt that pain, I'll be ready for it again.
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>>35155830
i hope you're the lead designer of army of two or something
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>>35156834
Proud of you, anon. Have you tried experimenting with other hairstyles? I feel like something else could suit you better.
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>September of 2014
>Depressed
>Grades are crap
>Going to join the army instead of uni

Anyway, I'm finishing my first semester of university next week.

My lifts have suffered because uni takes up so much of my life but I'll be getting back on track tomorrow.

Feels like I'm making it.
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>>35152296
You gonna make it brah, keep going
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>>35157872
Best friend and brother was murdered. It was one of our favorite games and the phrase itself described us well. Same with the military police insignia on my shoulder, that was for him too.
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>>35155801
>>35157854
This, you really have no perspective or empathy if you think suicide is that simple.
I had a friend kill himself after having his proposal rejected from his girlfriend of several years.
The last few months she was hinting that she wanted to get married, so I can't really blame him since having the closest person to you toy with your emotions like that would be devastating.
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About 2 months into lifting, 180-159lb. only 20 more pounds to go yeah boii
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>>35152344

>nick-young-confused-face-(...).png
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>>35155801
Some (many?) of us actually look for life partners, who mean something to us, for some they are our entire lives, not just a piece of puss to get our dick wet with.
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>>35159984
>looking for life partners
>in the age of tinder fucks, okcupid bucks
snap out of the disney world senpai
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>>35149141
Already made it.
4/3/2/1 while having a 6-pack was my goal.
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>>35160096
Wow nice, how long did it took you? Also routine and diet?
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>>35160096
nice, age/time lifting?
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>>35160123
2-3 years
Diet is clean. I just focused on eating healthy foods with lots of protein and only drank water
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Weighed about 113 kg Mid September, now weigh about 97 kg.

Shitty weather has made things harder for me.
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>Be underweight skellie, 115 lb and manlet.
>Start process. Good diet, workouts 6 times a week.
>Starts to show. arms start looking decent. Upper abs popping. Hips show bulk.
>Weigh myself.
>Lost 6 lb.

wut..
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>>35160203
kek I'm >>35156834 and I achieved those stats in 1 year with a 6-pack
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Complete rookie here, what did ottermode guy mean when he said 4/3/2/1 with six pack?
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>>35160543
What was your routine?
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>>35159901
What the fuck
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>>35160620
Yes lad
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>>35160660
You need to start lifting man
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>>35156834
I bet you look like an executive in a suit.
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>>35160679
>gaining muscle
>cutting 10+ lb of fat a month
>implying I can pick more than 1

how about you go read the sticky before you put your foot in your mouth again boi
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>>35152420
Dude I feel you.
I've been on a cute and dropped 40 but still have so much to go.
Props for the loses and the gains man, I feel your struggle.
Keep it up senpai, we're both going to make it.
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>>35160710
lol
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>>35152296
Good shit senpai
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>>35152296
Fucking great brah.
Keep it up.
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>>35160606
icf -> PHUL -> TM with accessories
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>>35160543
Too bad you look like an ugly baby faced autist with shit proportions.
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>>35152296
Fug man. If someone doesn't say this isn't motivational, idk what is.
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>>35152296

Good goy!
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>>35161018
If I wanted humor I'd ask you to show your face.
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FINALLY put up 185 lbs bench today, started on the road to 225 brehs
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>>35152296
Fuark you weighed my max squat
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>>35156834
m-manlet?
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>>35152344
I'm pretty sure it's a joke?
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>>35152296
Holy shit, that's fucking awesome. Keep it up.
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>>35161239
no, manmore at 5'10
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>>35161298
>5'10"
>not a manlet
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>>35161298
>belly button below the radiator
>5'10
sure m8
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>install tinder after year and a half of lifting
>made huge facial and body gains
>still no matches
Kill me desu
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anyone here go from skellymode to ripped?
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>>35161680
better pictures are needed I bet
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>>35160710
Kill yourself, retard
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>>35162634
I told you to read the sticky brah
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>the last 7 months
>new better paid job with benefits
>things are good at work
>back at school, did great the last two semesters already signed for winter and spring
>lifts are doing, especially bench and squats
>better time management
>have time to relax and watch/play
>going out with friends more often
>working on early stages of my own business


>tfw no gf
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>>35149141
>before lifting
virgin with no hope in sight
no confidence at all
pretty weak (183cm, 65kg)
whack gamer posture from gaming 24/7

>after lifting
alot of confidence
no virgin anymore
had some great experiences with girls here and there
183cm 75kg now and pretty lean
good posture now even tho i still play lots of
lately got super sweet gf

for me i made it. never felt so good
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>>35162698
>good posture now even tho i still play lots of
Horseback polo? Video games?
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the noob gains are beginning to taper off so i guess i need to bulk...

its going to be tough. Whenever i get a little fat i panic and then go full anorexic for a few days to lose it.
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>>35162717
video games m8
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>>35162688
>instant transmission
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>>35162728
i dunno why but the far right pics on both rows look so weird and wrong...
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>>35153240
>going to church
>beliving in adult santa claus

You know if you had succeed in an hero youd have gone to hell, right?
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>>35162728
Nice

You need to attach some more info to your posts. Time frame/weight?
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>>35162779

So the very first pic is january. The first four pictures were achieved from january to june. I was actually anorexic, and went from 85kg at 5 foot 10 to 57kg (the 4th picture is me at about 60 i think).

Then I started doing stronglifts for two months (august + september) before switching to SS because stronglifts is shit. The penultimate picture is me after i decided to stop stronglifts, in early september. I weigh about 70kg there.

The final pic is from a week ago and after almost 2 months of SS. I weigh 74kg. Its slow progress, but the anorexia fucked me up bigtime - when i started lifting i had lost so much musclemass i couldnt even OHP the bar. So my lifts are shit but... you know. its a start.
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>>35161680
a couple of my autist friends, neither of whom are much above average in terms of looks, do great on tinder. they're always talking to some new match

Get better pics
>of you somewhere cool you traveled
>of you doing something cool (rock climbing, hiking, kayaking, some shit like that. It doesn't have to be outdoorsy but that's what came to mind)
>Of you with people having fun (but you're able to tell which one you are)
>NOT JUST A SELFIE

make your bio short and sweet, no one gives a shit
>"my uni" 2016
>6'3" (don't put it if you're short obviously)
>something funny if you think of something good, but make sure you don't sperg out
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>>35162728
>bulk

How about you put in more work at the hoisting house.
Spend less time taking pics of yourself.
And stay the fuck away from here.

Good job. Keep it up. Work harder you soft little bitch.

>bulk
You still fat niqqa
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>>35162961

i know im kinda fat, but im also weak as shit so i cant afford to cut yet
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>Lifts going up
>Anxiety going down
>Starting to feel more confidant
>Made 2 friends (none before)
>Have a date with a qt3.14 asian grill this Wednesday

I'm getting there lads, i'm getting there.
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>>35152296
You went from a 6/10 to a solid 9/10
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>>35163004
Woot. That's where I wanna be in the near future. We'll all make it lad

Good luck on that date desu. You knew her from somewhere?
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>>35163028
Nah went drinking with a friend weekend before last and just got talking to her at the bar
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Went from 130 lbs auschwitz mode to 142 lbs hungry skeleton so far. It's not much, but it's a start. We're all gonna make it bros.
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>>35163073
How did you find the two friends?
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>>35149141
I've been deadlifting for 2 months. My working sets are at 250 and today I decided to just go for it and pulled 300 for 1
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>>35152296
you're going to look real good when you get down to 180 or so

dont give up bro
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>>35163092
Started playing rugby and went drinking with them a few times, team sports is the best way to make social gains man
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>>35163131
Nice, miring your life gains man.
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>>35155419
>11k debt
Nigga...I have over 75k. Don't start with me.
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We're all gonna make it breh
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>>35152296
I wish I could be this happy with myself tbqh lad.
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>>35162898
Should my main picture be a selfie though?
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>>35152296
you're ready, son >>35162025
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>>35162898
lol

You literally described my exact tinder profile, pics bio everything
Bio is:
>hometown | my uni
>6'3

>swipe left im probably too good for you

Four pictures of me doing fun shit or with homies, no selfies

I just hopped on tinder a couple days ago and I've matched with almost all the girls I thought were really hot.
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>>35163154
>nothing is difficult unless its more difficult than my thing

dumb
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>>35157946
gj senpai. kill it.
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>>35163004
Same here bro. Used to have anxiety so bad I couldn't tell if I was real or not and my hands would shake when I am near people. I now walk with so much confidence it's crazy. Keep lifting Bros,it'll teach you that with patience and preseverance, you can achieve your desires.
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>>35162733

How did you fix your posture? did you do anything specific. I have scoliosis and I need help with that
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nearing a yr and a half of going

275x1 bench
185x1 ohp
495x1 deadlift
365x3 squat

(all numbers ive hit IRL)

oh and I'm stoked because I'll be getting approved to get my loose skin removed hopefully in the next week
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4 inches off my waist since May. Tracking it on my belt holes since I need to get back down to a 38" waist before a scale is even relevant.

Feels god bros. I used to be a fucking athlete and I let myself turn into a moon. Never again. I'm going to be the baddest motherfucka in the roorm once more.

>mfw when I could do 20 clapping pushups without getting out of breath in 2006
>today i can finally do 8 regular ones in a row again
>there is no face for this
>but that feeling of muscle building up layer by layer
>hnngh

I miss me. But we're getting back together, me and me
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>>35152296
Keep it up, brah.
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>>35162855
Where can I do this for myself?
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>>35152296
I swear to god, because this is a Chinese image board I read that backwards like you were goin up to 390 and I was wondering why no one posted beefcake cartman yet.

Good jobman.
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>>35162770

Guess God wanted to give him another chance. Whatever His reason is, it looks like it's working out for anon pretty well.

Stop getting salty at the spiritual vibrancy of happy people, Reddit. You're not doing yourself any favors.
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>>35149141
I actually have some sort of chest muscle for the first time in my life. Not a lot by any means, but feels good not being completely flat.
>inb4 gyno
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>>35152296
great job, keep it up bro,
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>>35165965
symmetricstrength.com
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>>35153426
Speak to a doctor. If you're seriously alcohol-dependent you may no longer be able to quit cold turkey safely. But you should try to stop drinking as soon as possible, mate. I've been an alcoholic before, and the sooner you stop the better.
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>>35152296
im so happy to see that no one is telling you to start gains and bulk muscle, keep doing you dude its working phenomenally
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>>35166148
Thanks mate
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>>35152296 Keep going breh, looking good
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>>35162728
Nice ass.
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>>35152296
You're beginning to look like a human being.

Good fucking job, m8
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>>35168828
Shit, I forgot the >no homo
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>>35168828

thanks

its my best feature
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>>35153240
This sounds almost like my situation. Except it was a gf of 3 years and I didn't fucking shoot myself.
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>>35152296

amazing job! keep going man, you're gonna make it
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I'm aware that Imgur.com will stop allowing adult images since 15th of May. I'm taking actions to backup as much data as possible.
Read more on this topic here - https://archived.moe/talk/thread/1694/


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