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Why is SS and SL recommended to beginners instead of ice cream fitness and greyskull lp? ICF and greyskull have the same strength goals and you add 5lb like usual but also include the hypertrophy accessories so you don't looks like shit.

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>>31060338
Fuck off Blahahahahaha
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>>31060338
Greyskull > all
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>>31060391

Enjoy your strength only
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Jesus, I question the stupid fucking sticky and everyone is silent cause all they do is repeat whats written in it like its the bible

Fucking morons
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Also on SS and SL your squatting every workout like a fucking retard. Then shitpost on /fit/ on how you got t-rex legs when you didn't even think abotu what you were doing
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>>31060338
>not realizing SS is a troll
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>>31060721

SS is not troll, it does exactly what it sets out to do, build raw strength as fast as possible. It is troll to recommend it to anyone who doesn't dream of powerlifting
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>>31060835
>this
Most people don't want to be powerlifters, they just want to look good. SS is not a good program for them
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>>31060417

>implying Blahaha isn't both weak and fat
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>>31060925
>>implying Blahaha isn't both weak and fat
He doesn't do his own program though.
>tfw if he did he might look good
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>>31060900

Exactly. The only reason people ever post is it helps you learn the lifts and gets you started in the gym doing compounds. ICF and greyskull does both of these and more.
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>>31060900
It's a fucking ~6 month program. Anyone expecting to look great in that short a time frame are delusional anyways. SS gets you strong fast, you can easily start lifting for aesthetics when you're done with it, you'll just be stronger than you would be if you had done an "aesthetics routine" to begin with.
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>>31060338
Greyskull is definitely the superior program for beginners
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>>31061033
>6 month program
so are all these other programs
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>>31060338
To begin with, SS and SL is pretty much a troll. The sticky isnt perfect, either, nur it doesn't recommend eating a shitload of ice cream or drinking a gallon of milk a day
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Because ICF 5x5 is an unproven piece of shit made by a fat piece of shit that looks like shit, has shit tier lifts and doesnt know shit.
Your better off just doing SS with accessories than ICF
>inb4 thats what ICF is
No, its 5x5, which is a stupid idea anyway for progressive overload, with way too much volume and no shoulder and chest gains
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>>31061189

First of all, the 3-5rep range is good for strength, 5 is not considered too much volume. For hypertrophy it is considered way to low, as you need 7-15 roughly. Not everyone wants to be a power lifter so making fun of rep ranges when they clearly state why those rep ranges are that they are doesn't make sense.

Second of all, it has OHP, so there are shoulder gains. The incline curls are also for chest. I would question if you even read the routine.

Third, if you think ICF is made by a fat piece of shit look at rippetoe.

Finally, SS with accessories is still bad because you squat every workout.
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>>31060338

experts have this happen a lot -- you forget what it is to be a beginner and you start saying that more and more and more should be piled on the newbies. It's not wrong to suggest that they would gain more from it but it is pointless to expect them to be up to speed that fast. Most people who did a whole lot of accessory work would just get themselves injured and/or burnt out.

Honestly who cares. They will make some gains by the power of being a noob, and then 4 months later they will start adding stuff. They will be fine. It will not make any difference in 12 months that can be seen by anyone who isn't also a fitness buff.
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>>31060417
>durr strength and mass gains are mutually exclusive
I wish you faggots would fuck off with this broscience. I truly believe anyone who says this hasn't done any lifting beyond SS for a month.
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>>31061069
>so are all these other programs
And you certainly won't be making any considerable gains on these programs in 6 months anyway, so your point is moot.
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>>31061360

Sorry I meant Close Grip Bench Press for chest
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>>31061360
Rippetoe looked good when he competed. Blaha has never been good at anything.
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>>31061480
It's not rip.
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>>31061480
Thats not Rippetoe
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>>31061426

You forgo some strength gains for a little Hypertrophy because of the rep range. That is the point. Again, not everyone cares being able to 1/2/3/4
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>>31061189
>no shoulder or chest gains
>mfw it has bench and close-grip bench
>mfw it has ohp and shrug
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>>31061501
>>31061505
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>>31061370
My point of 5x5 being shit is that it has 5 sets, have fun progressing with that once youre past 3 plates.

Yeah, because OHP hits your lateral deltoid so fucking hard.

Rippletits is a strenght coach and his programm is superb for strenght gains, jason blashit made this programm for "hypertrophie", and you wont gain anything but lats and legs.
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>>31060338
I've asked this question several times myself, and my conclusion is that most people on /fit/ are either ignorant or retarded. They'll say that SS is the only way for a beginner to make gains, but as soon as you make some very minor changes (Greyskull), it's suddenly going to give you no gains. /fit/ also seems to think any kind of split is bad, even though you will get pretty similar results to SS (see pic)

tl;dr hit every muscle at least 2x a week with intensity and you'll make gains, routine isn't that important
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>>31061545
google: roger estep
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>>31061426
Are you implying SS will give you results, while these other programs won't? If so, you do realize all of these programs are basically the same, right?
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Greyskull minus neck harness is the GOAT beginner program. I recommend it to all of my friends who are even more DYEL than me.
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>>31061405

No where in the post does it mention that mass gain and strength mutually exclusive. They are not mutually exclusive. I am criticizing that on SS and SL your ultimate goal is strength. You will build mass on it. But most want a little strength and mass, so it is horrible that it is standard on this board to recommend it to everyone
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>>31061571

not sure who you're even arguing against or what you think I'm saying? You generally don't get past 3 plates on these, they're just beginner programs.

OHP is not that great for lateral delts but who cares. They will make good overall gains just by being noobs. They have the entire rest of their training lives to fill in whatever details they find important.

Don't know how ICF is supposed to just give you legs when it has so much more upper body volume?
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>>31061617
>implying that there would be any significant difference for a natty.
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Realistically with a clean diet and consistency the difference in results between SL, SS with accessories as described in the book from week 4, ICF, & GreySkull LP will be minimal in a 6 month timeframe if not unnoticeable.

It's whichever program you enjoy the most and can stick with. After that once you're done with linear weight progression you can specialise in powerlifting, bodybuilding, Oly lifting, aesthetics, whatever.
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>>31061577

Pretty much this.

And if you really want to improve a compound jsut hit it 3 times a week. I'm doing this with OHP because I never did them when I started going to the gym, now my delts are blowing the fuck up.
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>>31061625
He is just baiting
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>>31061625
Because every workout day on ICF starts with squats you retarded piece of human trash
And if you believe blashit, EVERY beginner should squat 4plate within his first year.
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>>31061649

My god what is with you. Are you baiting me?
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>>31061694
Nah he says you should hit 4/3/2/1 on his program then move on to somethign else
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I find ICF quite nice, I added side lateral raises, lat pulldowns and chest flies, really have liked it more since I added those exercises
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>>31061614
i'm doing this one with some other plugins. will i make it?
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>>31061625
Don't forget that you can add lateral raises to ICF if you want to, Jason approves it (I know that many of you guys hate him, but it's nice that the creator of the program officially says it)
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>>31061724
Not ICF then, blashit says if you change something your not doing his workout
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>>31061658

A lot of strength gains come from training the central nervous system to recruit more motor units. A high weight-low rep lifting scheme accomplished just that. Since you're only lifting the weight 3-5 times, you're not stressing the biochemistry within the muscle, but rather the bodies ability to contract the muscle. So this promotes an adaptation within the nervous system (i.e. strength).
When you lift with a low weight-high rep scheme, now you begin to stress the energy systems (as well as the physical fibers themselves) within the muscle and this promotes an adaptation within the muscle (I.e. hypertrophy).

Beginner gains are the most important gains. To just say 'you'll look the same after 6 months either way' is because you don't understand your body on the inside.
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>>31061744
He says you should add facepulls instead
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>>31061743
Yeah, just throw in accessories at the end of each session (pull ups, dips, leg raises, etc). If somehow (not likely) your arms are still lagging then do some curls or tricep pushdowns.
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>>31061788
nice broscience
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>>31061829

It's okay, I give up on you.
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>>31061743
I do this, I like it because it has a perfect balance of push/pull. I also added curls and skullcrushers at the end, but I'm not sure if it does anything, it's just for fun
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>>31061842
Give up on life if you believe your own bullshit
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>>31061800
yeah thats what im planing, but im having some doubts about the workout scheme.
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>>31061829
His first sentence about recruiting motor units and beginner gains being all CNS was right.
The rest was bullshit though, yeah.
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>>31061844
How do you do it?
ohp,chinups,squat
bench,rows,deadlift
ohp,chinups,squat
like this ?
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>>31061625
>You generally don't get past 3 plates on these, they're just beginner programs.
Just because you're a fucking weak skelly... I did 305 1RM on the first deadlift attempt I ever did.
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>>31061976
>bashing others for their shit genes
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>>31061788

To clarify, this is because much of the muscle's energy is stored within the muscle in the form of carbohydrates and fat. When you stress the energy system, the subsequent adaptation is to increase the size of the energy stores within the muscle.
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>>31061957
Yes, and next week you do
>bench,rows,squat
>ohp,chinups,deadlift
>bench,rows,squat
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>>31062134
cheers mate
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>>31061505
>>31061501
>>31061480
For clarification, pic related is rippetoe. Still pretty huge.
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