>tfw all your clothes are made in sweatshops with extremely

>>8361867
like i give a fuck

>>8361867
mine are made in the finest ateliers in italy.

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>tfw don't care

>not buying locally produced clothes made of locally produced materials

I don't even know what you're doing, mate

>>8361879
>tfw live in Southern China

>>8361876
>>8361871
edgy

>>8361873
lol you know they bring workers from china and have them work in sweatshops in italy in order to keep the "made in italy" label at the lowest cost possible. we're getting fucked in the ass no matter what we choose to buy

>>8361887

Not edgy. I just really don't care. It's not like I'm buying it with the purpose of hurting sweatshop workers.

It's just not something that matters to me.

>>8361892
what about Made in USA?

>>8361902
same shit but with mexicans. shit, the french minister of economy championed a brand of "made in france" clothing which actually had their shit partially made in sweatshops in northern africa, then assembled in france and sold at insanely high prices.

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All of my everything was made like that


I dunno what to do about it


Well scratch that I have a couple of AA shirts

Which did this, only reason it's still together is because of superglue

>>8361887

>implying you care

It's a good thing I only wear clothing produced by Olmar & Mirta.

Actually my shoes, socks, hats and pants are made in England.

I like to buy local if I can, at least ethical if not. I know it doesn't affect me but I like not having had someone suffer for my clothing.

i don't give a fuck, why anyone should?

none of my clothing was produced in a sweatshop

>>8361952
because your choices have consequences you fucking child

>>8361882
best response

>>8361955
they dont you moron

>>8361976
>if I can't see it, it doesn't exist
keep being everything wrong with the world

someone should whip up a little infographic with details on the construction conditions of various effay brands (dick ovens, dior/raf, etc)

>>8361992
i'd argue with u if i wasnt watching heat v spurs atm u tumblr bitch

>>8361997
fine u whiny apathetic /pol/ bitch
go spurs, btw

where would those people feed their families w/o that job???
dont try and fuk with the way markets work

Are you trying to tell me that if I don't buy a shirt then all of the chink slaves will be freed? Because I'm pretty sure if I don't buy the shirt, then only one less shirt will be sold and the Chinese slaves will continue to slave away making shirts regardless.

You realize that sweatshops bring more capital to these areas and pay more than the average pay for these people right?
In other words, it's nod good pay or good hours, but it's better than child prostitution and field work in the sun. So it actually does help these places. Remember that Britain and the US had many sweatshops in the 1800s and we eventually put in labor laws

>>8361892
The workers are getting fucked, I'm not. There is still high quality control in French/Jap/Italian made stuff, and that anecdote sounds like bullshit.

>>8362001
lel spurs gonna get rekt go heat

>>8361997
omg grow up

>>8362057
ok mom

>>8362002
>>8362009
>>8362003
here come the neoliberals

Doesn't the existence of such places and the incentives to keep them from growing show how much capitalism is bullshit?

No, you're doing the right thing by wearing the clothes you do... Go you!

>>8362128
Without capitalism you would be wearing a government issue smock or jumpsuit

>>8362141
Not necessarily. Capitalism isn't the only productive economic system

>>8362141
Is that what they wear in Denmark?
What about all the other socialist countries?
They don't even wear that in nork-land.

Capitalists confirmed for full of shit.

>>8361892
Italy doesn't have any laws regulating the inclusion of that phrase. Most "made in Italy" stuff is just made in China.

>>8361955
>because your choices have consequences you fucking child
Actually, in terms of garment production, they probably don't. There's huge demand for "Made in America" stuff due to the heritage market, but brands continue to move production overseas at an increasing rate.

>>8362151
name me a more productive economic system

>>8362202
natsoc

>>8362155
>denmark
>socialist

>>8362202
Why is exponential economic growth the only rubric for success? Your request merely telegraphs the fact that you've already made up your mind on the subject.

>>8362202
Socialism. Not any kind that has been realized thusfar, though. Mao was kind of close but he didn't make it democratic enough and he hated education too much

>>8362207
Not an economic system

>>8362173
True. "Made in Italy" olive oil doesn't actually have to be made in Italy to get the label

>>8362209
It's a hybrid of socialism and capitalism, just like every other economy on Earth.

>>8362219
Not North Korea

>>8362224
Ah yes, I had forgotten about them. And, I mean, honestly, there are other states that don't conform to that model, but the vast majority use some combination of both.

>>8361867
how rude to say that about my house and about myself

>>8361902
that's like a don't buy this shit

never buy anything made in the Americas except for coffee and corn and sometimes cotton

>>8361992
>if i cant see it, it doesn't exist

American logic and knowledge in a nutshell

>>8362009
economics in a nutshell

this thread was made by some tumblr retard who thinks money literally grows from trees and everything comes from another realm

>>8362255
>implying I'm not a grad student in political development
>implying mainstream economics isn't backwards and neo-colonial

>>8362211
all forms of collectivism (even those theoretically based on voluntary cooperation) can only be maintained by a central authority of some kind

a central planning authority has to be endowed with powers that would impact and ultimately control social life, because the knowledge required for centrally planning an economy is inherently decentralized, and would need to be brought under control

in centrally planned economies an individual or a select group of individuals must determine the distribution of resources, these planners will never have enough information to carry out this allocation reliably

I'm brazilian. In my city (São Paulo) there's a shitload of dark sweatshops with bolivians and peruvians working as slaves producing to brands like Zara.

>>8362255

>money is made from paper
>paper is made from trees

>implying money doesn't grow from trees

>>8362277
Federal Reserve Notes are made from cotton you fucking dunce

>>8362277
>money is made from paper
Isn't it some sort of blended cotton? In the US, at least.

>>8362267
>political development
It's a shame that there is no job market and that if you pursue a career in academe, you'll be doing LOA work until you die of starvation. Mainstream economics may indeed be backward and neo-colonial, but it is damn good at making sure everything that might disagree with it is marginalized.

>>8362325
;_;

>>8361909
Jesus christ, what do you want? A 40-something WASP millionaire making everything by hand for the thousands who order every week? If it's made in the USA, it doesn't matter, because the money's staying within that country (to an extent).

>>8362303
Yeah, that sure showed him. Money made out of paper and cotton sure doesn't grow as if on trees.

>>8362276
wow brazil has really evolved, the last time i heard about that place it was full of niggers and everyone was rioting because they live worse than nuggers

good job Brazil, maybe in a couple of years you can be like Chile

>>8361894
>I didn't fire that gun with the INTENTION of hurting him, it just did! He should be fine.
You really are a fucking child.

>>8362277
>not getting the paradox of money

stay ignorant

>>8362330
Or a machine

>>8362350
No wait, a child would have more empathy than this cliche spoiled piece of garbage.

>>8362356
A low level of manual labor production needs to be kept in the US in order to keep it relevant. Otherwise it's dependent on the fluctuations of international demand for intellectual capital.

Not everybody can become engineers to fix those machines.

>>8361867
Not so much in China... but you know the garment trade is fucked when China is outsourcing to Bangladesh. Those brownies have a huge fucking set of problems to deal with, i mean the workers.

Slavery still exists, yo.

>>8362328
I have a humanities degree, so I'm right fucked as well.

>>8362180
Which is specifically a consequence of the choice to buy whatever is cheapest. Good God, you people will rationalize anything that gets you cheaper clothing.

>>8362350
>>8362357
The issue is far more complex then you are playing it out to be.

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>tfw

>>8362842
I wasn't rationalizing any of my own behavior. There are other factors at play beyond consumer behavior that will cause a company to move its production overseas. Look at New Balance; there's been more interest in that brand recently than at any period during its history and it's still moving production out of New England to compete. Buying American or First World or whatever is great, but your purchase today will never bring back even a single part of the industry tomorrow. Baring a few cottage industries, our actions mean next to nothing.

>>8361912
>superglue
nigger, how oblivious are you?
it's fabric held together with thread, and when that simple system fails your best response is to fix it with SUPERGLUE?!

hahaha! what the hell is needle and thread..?

o i am laffin

christ we millenials are gonna ruin the fucking world...

>>8362248
>haha stupid americans!
like you're any better you ignorant fuck, you just generalized a whole country retard

>>8361867
Feels good saving all those poor souls from a life of prostitution and drugs :^)

>>8362128
>capitalism is bullshit
reminder that the dogs may bark but the caravan moves on

>>8363368

this is so true.

>>8362269
what if in future we have special computer programs for distribution of goods and urban planning? they would have more than enough of reliable information to distribute enough goods equally

>>8362361
my economics teacher in finland has a brother who did some paper machine repairs as his job here but when the factories moved overseas (one was in Brazil and other one was in Asia somewhere) they have the same guys fly over to fix the machines every time theres a problem lol

>>8362224
north korea is only as bad as it is because of american neoimperialism in the region. I suspect it's good for the american capitalist interests to maintain one "failed socialist state" as evidence against alternative ways of distributing power

>>8363917
oops I mean neocolonialism lol

imperialism is imperialism, nothing about it has changed... so I meant to say imperialism or neocolonialism, not neoimperialism. my bad.

>>8363917
>>8363945
u have spent too much time on tumblr m8

>>8362224
North Korea is not even a socialist/communist state. It is an authoritarian dictatorship that follows a racist ideology derived from Imperial Japan.

>>8363970
yup, american imperial discourse distorts even the most basic distinctions. all part of creating a world map that calls things "democratic" or "communist" depending on how attractive they look. north korea is a shitty place to live so we call it communist. america bleeds the third world for its resources and we call it a democracy... truth is we have the same corporate masters as the "communists" do. it's all a load of shit. but we really ought to look at north korea as a cautionary tale, it's true. it's a picture of what out own society is going to look like if we leave capitalism unchecked.

>>8363992
u people will make anything up

>>8364007
do you even foucault, motherfucker? or chomsky?

>>8363917
Jesus Christ, kill yourself

>>8364041
which part of my post was hard to understand?

>>8364026
>MUH POSTSTRUCTURALISM

How's first year politics treating you, you invertebrate?

>>8364048
Insulting me rather than addressing my argument... pretty sure you learn not to do that long before first year.

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>>8364026
wow those are some real hot economists u got there

>>8364007
>>8364041
>>8364048

why

>>8364084
you can find an economist to support just about any theory. it's not an exact science and I wouldn't be surprised if some economists are heavily influenced by ideology or corruption,

>>8364087
this post is someone else, not me, fyi.

Anyone know the quality or conditions about stuff made in Portugal. I'm curious, because a lot of my favourite designers / brands produce their stuff in portugal.

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>>8364026
>foucault
m8 u know foucaul about philosophy
>>8364107
honestly quality from portugal isn't that good, they didn't really have any of the infrastructure or legacy of producing "high fashion", and I can say from personal experience, considering the MIB Raf and Ann that I've owned and handled vs the MIP items from both brands - the level of finition is p poor from poortugal. Perhaps that's just emblematic of a lot of changeover/cost-cutting measures from the houses, but to me, manufacturing in Portugal is just a low-rent way of being made in Europe

I know the factory conditions for Engineered Garments and Patty E, that's mostly good enough for me

>>8364123
you know fuck all about pronouncing french names

>>8364126
it's pronounce fuko, i know, that's why i dropped the t
it's close enough, nobody likes a pedant

>>8364129
if it's not close enough to make a pun, just son't bother. People don't like puns that much anyway.

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>>8364134
u still *probably* know fuck all abt philosophy

>>8364134
get aids

>>8364129

Actually, it's prounounced Foo-Ko

>>8364163
yeah, i put "u"
as in fu-ko, not fuk-o
i can speak french well and good mister

>>8364169
should have told him you meant to write fuk-u

>>8361867
>>8361867
I refuse to buy new clothing because of this reason.

>>8364178
why dont you just buy rick or something instead

>>8364191
Not enough money plus I like shopping vintage.

>>8364208
>buying vintage
>worried about supporting cheap labour

what

>>8364191
Because the reason he doesn't buy new clothes is infact that he's poor.

>>8364218
Most of the things I buy come from eBay or local thrift stores.
>>8364220
Nope. I'm a middle class American, if I wanted too I could purchase new clothing, if I saved for a while I could afford Rick. I enjoy scouring eBay and thrift stores because I find it fun, it's like an adventure.

>>8364225
If you can afford new clothing but you buy from thrift shops you are essentially stealing from the homeless.

>>8362269
>all forms of collectivism (even those theoretically based on voluntary cooperation) can only be maintained by a central authority of some kind

no

>>8363970
Still not capitalism mixed with socialism

>>8362350
The difference is that guns are literally made to hurt and or kill people. When people buy Nike clothes or whatever their intention is not to hurt the people making it, they just might not consider the ethical implications and politics behind buying said garment of clothing.

>>8364084
>economists

>>8364532
this. economists are a joke. the hero of every libertarian, Milton Friedman, was just a shill for Reaganonics, and look how much damage that did to the US.

w-where should i buy clothes then

>>8364558
That's the point. It's really sad. I mean you could buy "locally produced clothing" but then you'd look like a hippie

>>8362141
>confusing economics with government

>>8361892
They're not from China. what you've suggested is completely asinine.They're African and Southern Asians immigrants usually. Conditions in factories are on par with china's factories. The pay is equally paltry too. Italians are p. racist on average and social mobility for anyone from developing countries is nil.

Sources: Personal experience with people who've worked in Italian factories

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>>8364590
>Sources: Personal experience with people who've worked in Italian factories

>>8364603
it is true though. The cities with the factories have a high # of chinese immigrants. A lot of people do this including fancy luxury fashion houses. All of this information is easily attainable on google

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They don't let chinks or niggers touch premium materials.

Enjoy your 10% cotton, 90% poly crap, plebs.

>>8364610
>They don't let chinks or niggers touch premium materials.
Keep telling yourself that.

>>8364612
What kind of shitforbrain (aside from you) would let an 8-year old girl from Bangladesh or some nigger found in the African bushes handle cashmere?

Check mate, nigger.

>>8364631
Tame and cashmere GO TOGETHER

Cashmere makes perfect BETTER

>>8364609
They don't bring in Chines immigrants though. Why would they when there's so many other people willing to work long hours for next to nothing? They come by their own volition.

I met a Vietnamese landscaper over there. This was last year. Seems like a lot of SAs are immigrating to southern Europe as of late. It makes no sense to me but whatever.

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>>8364643
Cashmere is heavenly.

Vicunja is godly though.

>>8364631
Lol. They're adults and they've been working in garment factories their whole lives, they know how to handle cashmere.

Don't buy high end shit at all if you don't want to wear something made by dark foreigners.

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>>8364653
>they know how to handle cashmere

Irrelevant.

No sane person would allow a nigger to handle cashmere, under any circumstance. And I know for a fact that my cashmere sweaters have not been touched by niggers: they don't smell like shit.

Seriously, I highly doubt that producers like Loro Piana, Drumohr, Johnstons of Elgin etc. allow their products to be made by third-world people.

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>>8364653
Although you'll notice that the fast fashion crap with the uneven stitching and threads sticking out all over the place is not only poor quality, it's guaranteed to have been handled by some sweaty worker that has to pump upwards of 500 to 1000 of those a day.

Stay away from f21.

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What is a "racist idiot"?

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>>8364665
>2014
>being racist
>on /fa/

captcha: umed seemed

>>8364673
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=792
http://www.xojane.com/clothes/toxic-chemicals-cheap-clothing

>>8364688
Everyone knows nazis were /fa/ as hell. They were /fa/ to the point of being /ss/.

>>8364724
But he's not only a "nazi", he's also immeasurably dense and arrogant. Probably self-hating too.

>>8364688
>not being racist
>implying liberalism is fashionable

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>>8364745

>>8362330
>it doesn't matter, because the money's staying within that country (to an extent).
tch more like being western unioned down to rural mexico

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>>8364745
You're a slave to this "fashionable" cult, because...

Lel, nvrmind you probably don't' know yourself, you just follow the crowds, right? Gotta fit in..more money in your overlords' pockets.

>>8362347
>like Chile
i hope that never happens

>>8364758
See? They're not libruls, and they're cool doods.
>>8364785
W2C translator?

>>8361887
it really isn't edgy though

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>>8364665
god, that seam is a masterpiece, looking at it makes me all nice and warm inside

>>8365021
w2c english language comprehension, you mean.

For you ,because you don't seem to understand what it means to be filthy, mindless trend hopper.

>>8361867
keep working Ching Chong Chan, my sick fits aren't gonna thread themselves bra 8-)

inb4 LE EDGE XDXD

>>8361867
Thank goodness.

I live you Gap and Nike. Never change.

>>8363064
do you use so many buzzwords in irl conversations

>>8362303
>cotton doesn't come from a cotton plant

My clothes are made by tailors in Europe.

>>8361887
not buying it would put them out of work, faggot