w2c traditional goth gf?
>>12545245
Siouxsie & the Bashees concert?
>>12545253
i wish they were still around
but honestly traditional goth is pretty dead currently, seems like there's more punks, psychobillys, tattoo-emos & rap ""goths"" like GBC
or the tinder "emo" girls who unironically listen to 'avenged sevenfold' etc
i can only name like 5 good current post-punk or goth rock bands so it kind of makes sense
i totally relate to this sentiment
what band gigs are the best place to meet girls who aren't just daddy issue clusterfucks because that seems to be the type i attract and it is not a positive experience
I've been dressing in a post-punk/early goth influenced style for years, and I haven't come across a single trad goth girl to cop yet.
>>12545298
post fit desu
>>12545253
this image has always been the definition of "goth" to me. It's like a little bible. Theres a few goth dance nights and groups here in LA but youll find most goths already have a significant other.
>>12545291
>daddy issue clusterfucks
Good luck, they all tend to be like that unfortunately. Sad that post-punk is a dying thing. I remember going to a Peter Murphy show with my first proper girlfriend (total goth). I think he was promoting his Dust album if - must've been like 2003. She had issues too, just as you mentioned. I remember waking up to her cutting her arm with one of my shaving razors.
>>12545245
Try goth nights at your local bar or FetLife. A shit ton hangout on there.
>Also seeking help myself
I'm a broader built guy. Not fat but bearmode with broad shoulders at 6'1.
I'm looking to upgrade my goth wardrobe but have no idea what to buy since I mainly just wear black dress shirts/tees/pants etc. What would be some good items to get given my build?
>>12545326
some bright jewelry should be nice
>>12545305
cutting is just a way to release endorphin when you don't feel like masturbating, it's no big deal
>>12545326
defo some black milsurp
seconding the goth night thing. I have multiple around me, and I live in the middle of nowhere, so I'm sure there's one near you
>>12545394
im curious, where at?
So they dress like that because they are sad about not having boobs?
>>12545334
A few people said red and gold look pretty good on me.
>>12545411
No, they dress like that because it's fun
Trad goths don't really have a clear ethos beyond their fascination for dark romanticism.
It's more about glamorizing/dispaying macabre themes than about embodying them on a personal level. At most there's the general idea that doing hard drugs is a cool way to be self-destructive, but it's not an ethical obligation and it's not specifically goth.
HEALTHGOTH IS BEST GOTH.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=08cZFkmj2UA
>>12545595
Fuck, these guys are from my city
>>12545595
black and white =/= goth
>>12545607
AND?
>>12545595
>sportswear
>house beats
more like niggoth
>>12545608
and these wiggers aren't goth. They look like they're about to attend a hardtek festival in the winter.
>>12545613
>>12545609
GO AWAY, IDIOTS.
>>12545615
> posts a bunch of chavs
> calls them goths
> gets mad when people point out that they're chavs
>>12545620
"MAD"? NO, YOU ARE JUST AN IGNORANT IDIOT WHO SHOULD GO AWAY.
>>12545625
Speaking of "ignorant", even Michae Jackson looked more goth than those hippity-hop ghetto wesh wesh wannabe gangsta kids.
Only eighties goth is real goth.
Mall-goth, emo, Marilyn Manson-core, health goth, nu-goth, street goth and stuff like that is not goth.
>>12545628
true
>>12545628
GOTHNESS CONSISTS IN A REBELLIOUS WORLDVIEW AGAINST THE TRADITIONAL WORLD VIA SATURNINE BEHAVIOUR, SO, EXPLAIN TO ME HOW IS IT THAT ADOPTING A CONFORMIST AND FUNDAMENTALIST ATTITUDE, LIKE YOURS, IS GOTH?
A GOTH IS DEFINED BY HIS/HER ETHOS, AND PERSONAL STYLE, NOT BY ADHERENCE TO NORMS, AND FORMS.
WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS MERELY TRANSPORTING YOUR OWN EXTREME CONFORMISM TO A STYLE THAT IS INHERENTLY INCONFORMIST, WHICH CONSTITUTES AN ABSURDITY; YOU ARE NOT GOTH, AND CERTAINLY DO NOT COMPREHEND WHAT GOTHNESS IS.
>>12545655
Seems to me that you're confusing goth and hipster, little man.
goth is macabre romanticism, not just rebelliousness
Even if you were correct, those kids aren't rebellious in the least: they dress like they're gonna go jogging.
how is a jogger "expressing his rebellious worldview"? How does jogging count as "saturnine behavior"? How does "health" count as "saturnine"?
Also they all look like each other. They're trend-hoppers, not rebels.
>>12545655
>A GOTH IS DEFINED BY HIS/HER ETHOS
No he's not.
He's defined by Robert Smith's hairstyle.
>>12545245
>take photo of random normal 80s girl
>desaturate in photoshop
>now its goth
I dig the OP image
>>12545245
they're out of production due to lack of interest.
>>12545303
>in LA
Any recommendations? Haven't went to any here
>>12545722
>goth is macabre romanticism, not just rebelliousness
good description. also annoys me when people expect goth to be somber and depressed but like i'm pretty happy and generally not depressive and it doesn't mean i'm not a real goth or w/e hahaha
>>12545916
Can I build one from scratch?
>>12546060
bordners blue mondays
>>12546060
I got you dude. look up some of these groups on facebook, that's how I make my events: Perversion, Helter Skelter, Blue mondays, release the bats, batcave hollywood, coven 13
>>12545894
is this goth?
>>12546170
side note, i'm 19 and asexual
maybe i'll get a fake ID but not sure clubs are the best situation
either way appreciate the recommendations i'll drop by them when i can thanks!
>>12546504
Sometimes they let under 21 in - you just can't drink. Otherwise a fake is a good option.
>>12546504
some events are 18+
>>12546520
>>12546523
Didn't know, I'll keep my eyes peeled, thanks
Who else here /driving dead/?
>Pic related, it's my baby.
>>12546578
how does one get this job?
>>12546580
I'm not an undertaker, I just bought a hearse from a funeral home that was going bankrupt. They're incredibly cheap since nobody really wants to drive something that dead people were carried around in.
>>12546600
with low mileage, generally, as well... although the old american V8s don't exactly sip fuel. i'd still love one
i've got an old black mercedes (w201) which is fairly appropriate
>>12546060
Um, you're actually agreeing with the tripfag.
Learn to read, my fella.
The other guy is the one saying that if you don't dress and act a certain specific way, basically dressing and acting like a caricature, you're not goth.
>>12545595
hows 2014 my man
>>12546665
>6665
so close
i think the tripfag is the one saying goth is a 'rebellious worldview'
whereas he is just saying
>goth is macabre romanticism, not just rebelliousness
and i'm saying is you don't have to have the angst of a 14 year old girl who just discovered nirvana in order to be a goth
I think you may have missed "Even if you were correct" as the statements which follow that are conditional upon them being correct, which the poster asserts they are not.
>>12546689
The other guy os merely refute his own assumption about the tripfag... basically saying "no" to what he himself declared.
You're contradicting yourself. You claim that to be goth it isn't necessary to act like a caricature (to be all angsty all the time), but then you agree with the conformist guy.
I don't think you know what rebelliousness is...
>>12545245
I know a few but they're all in their 40s and 50s.
Going by personal experience, most of the goth chicks mid 20s through 30s seem like they either got in on the vampire thing that was big in the '90s through '00s, did fetish, or went cyber instead, though I did know a German girl with a proper deathhawk. Younger and it's mostly hipsters pretending to be goths.
>>12546696
My understanding of the argument
>Tripfag : Goth is rebelliousness, and health goth is real goth because it is rebellious
>Other Individual's Response : Goth is not just rebelliousness, rather macabre romanticism, but if it was, health goth is not very rebellious
Maybe it's "conformist" to limit what is or is not goth, but I was agreeing only with the statement that goth can be interpreted as a fascination of macabre works.
posting the og goth waifu
>>12546728
It's mostly to do with the music, mate.
>>12546738
Yeah, it originated entirely from post-punk/goth rock, and it's that 'dark macabre' image if you will that's associated to it in film, fashion, and other assorted arts.
>been into trad goth music, subculture, and fashion for 14 years
>never had any kind of goth girlfriend despite living in a big city and hanging around record shops
Just kill me already.
>>12546742
I mean, you're overthinking things. At the end of the day, goth is about listening to mopey music, getting piss drunk on snakebite and black at the pub and wearing lots of black in ways you and your small likeminded group of people think is cool. The difference between actual goths and pseudo goths always comes down to choice in music.
>>12546759
>listening to mopey music
Goth music isn't always mopey.
>>12546759
or just trying to avoid sounding elitist, that definition is the most broad i could think of
choice in music is a determinant factor in a person being real regardless of subculture - what would you say are your favourite "goth" bands?
>>12546764
It's called being facetious.
>>12546767
Not a goth actually. I'm way more into industrial and some of the faggier club offshoots of that, though I could definitely listen to the Sisters all day.
>>12546777
i quite like power electronics and ebm
still always open to recs
its called glam rock you underage and it belongs in the trash
>>12546578
Harold?
>>12546790
glam rock and goth had comparable aesthetics
>>12546796
The biggest similarities is that Bowie profoundly influenced both of them. And aesthetically some might have been similar, but that's way too much of a blanket statement. Bauhaus did not look like the New York Dolls.
>>12546685
Healthgoth isn't a fad, chief.
>>12546783
That's a pretty wide net. What kind of recs are you after, Nitzer Ebb style oldschool EBM, or Front 242? Power noise like Soman or Noisex? Synthpop? Trance-y shite like everyone was doing when VNV's Futureperfect came out? Also, what level of entry.
>>12546796
Glam rock directly influenced goth rock. Bowie was the biggest influence for all of the original goth bands.
>>12546852
Bauhaus covered Bowie.
New Romantics were also a huge influence. Compare the hair styles.
>>12546851
EBM, fan of Jager 90 and Frontal
Power noise, Ramleh, Genocide Organ
level of entry just whatever's weird and new to me
>>12546860
I really liked the New Romantic period in music. There were some really fun bands - it's a shame it only lasted a few years.
I know this is more an /mu/ question but what's the basics to listen to for goth music. It's weird trying to get into the music when I usually listen to stuff like Aesop Rock and DOOM
>>12545326
dyed black flecktarn parka, maybe some rick pieces
>>12546504
emo night at the echoplex in LA. never been but heard good things
>inb4 goth not emo
>>12546922
Emo isn't goth, though, so this suggestion is completely off-topic.
>>12545326
dark colors are a safe bet. Take a look at Alexander McQueen's collection from the fall of 2016 for some ideas: http://www.vogue.com/fashion-shows/fall-2016-menswear/alexander-mcqueen/slideshow/collection#23
I really associate the look with more of a facial aesthetic. Pale skin, angular features, and sunken in eyes with dark circles from cigarettes and insomnia
>>12546909
essentials
>bauhaus
>siouxsie and the banshees
>christian death
>the cure
>the damned
>sisters of mercy
post-punk:
>joy division/warsaw/new order
>gang of four
>young marble giants
influences:
>bowie
>iggy pop
>velvet underground
personal recommendations:
>essential logic
>red lorry yellow lorry
>swans of avon
>red temple spirits
>preoccupations
>the sound
>henrys dress
probably missed a lot but it's a start
>>12546909
Start with some of the U.K. classics like Bauhaus, Siouxsie and the Banshees, U.K. Decay, Joy Division, etc, and then listen to some of the early U.S. deathrock stuff like Christian Death (with Rozz Williams; avoid post-Rozz Christian Death) and 45 Grave if you want.
>>12546951
Also, don't listen to other people, Sisters of Mercy sucks and wasn't even popular within the goth scene at the time.
>>12546953
>don't listen to other people
well that's boring and narrow minded
>Sisters of Mercy sucks and wasn't even popular within the goth scene at the time
well they play it everywhere now. Super fun dance music
>>12546947
great list, desu
I'd add Echo & the Bunnymen (earlier work), The Chamelons UK, and Peter Murphy's solo stuff. Some of the Dead Can Dance's music had some real gothy undertones too
>>12546861
Just throwing some random stuff out there since I tend to skew more melodic than muscles and hate: Pouppee Fabrikk, Calva y Nada, Paranoid, Insekt, old Leaether Strip, Plastic Noise Experience. Klinik, definitely. Maybe old X Marks the Pedwalk. Angstfabrikk is newish but does oldschool EBM.
>>12546953
How dare you. It's fun and comforting cheese. You know the DJ's gone for a piss when the extended This Corrosion comes on.
>>12546960
>well they play it everywhere now. Super fun dance music
Doesn't change what I said.
>>12546988
people clearly enjoy it, so I don't think it's fair to say they suck. That's just an opinion
>>12546730
Death is cute cute cute
>>12546996
People can enjoy them, that's fine, but they should avoid putting them on lists of goth "essentials." Lists of essential bands should stick to classic staples of the genre.
>>12547068
You're going to complain about Sisters of Mercy being on there but not the Cure?
>>12547068
>>12546988
>>12546953
Sisters of Mercy are essential. They were very influential, they're a good band that makes good music, and they have a lot of personality. The fact that some early goths weren't into them is pretty much irrelevant.
>>12545303
>LA
Well there's two Nick Cave concerts next week, you could try to find one there.
>>12548564
>massive New Rocks combat boots
>flat hair
not traditional
>>12548564
where does one get a raven?
>>12545245
>>12548564
crowe
>>12545245
Imma scruffle her hair
>>12545655
has this tripfag ever made a good post?
>>12546947
This is a really weird chart. Including nothing except the s/t debut from Killing Joke would maybe make sense if you wanted to limit the list to the goth-y side of post-punk, but then there's stuff like Talking Heads, which is obviously awesome, but clearly on the far opposite end of the new wave spectrum.
Good goth essentials though, friend. I would add This Mortal Coil. Also Killing Joke's Night Time and Revelations for post-punk. And Coil, which is hard to place in a genre but always deserves a mention.
>>12549067
Yeah, he's one of fah's best posters.
>>12549344
you people will latch onto anybody who displays the slightest boldness of character
the guy's a basic dickhead
>>12549423
Anyone but collectivistic mentally ill persons like strong personalities, but that's not just what makes him a good poster.
>>12549126
At least FoM is the darkest Talking Heads album
w2c similar shirts?
I think the goth style to a daily life iis a little cringy, at least these days. I also enjoy post punk, batcave and all the close genres, but honestly, I want to stay away from the goth public in my city. They are analogous to the furry groups, but with more black and make up.
I enjoy dressing in minimalist clothing, tho', black 95% of the time. Maybe it is a good way out, maybe not.
>>12549698
>cringy
baby make big cringies in the potty! cringies smelly!
>>12549700
Kek english is not my first language, I thought "cringy" could be a word.
>>12549702
it's a made-up memeword that only underage youtube-watching faggots use
>>12549700
>>12549705
There is no lower form of life than a fucking 4chan grammar Nazi, you sad cunt.
good goth brands for men? no steampunk/cyber """"goth""""" bullshit
not really the point of the thread, but i'd rather ask here than make an new thread or ask elsewhere
>>12549890
there's no such thing as a good goth brand
Traditional goths create their own outfits out of regular pieces that, when combined together, along with weird hairstyles/makeup, result in the goth look. The most "intentionally goth" shit they wear is jewelry and band shirts.
Wearing clothes designed specifically for goths is the mark of the mallgoth poser.
>>12549126
Those revival picks, god damn those suck. Also, nothing by the Sound? That's too bad. Could also do with DAF's Alles Ist Gut.