FALL / WINTER 2017 DISCUSSION THREAD

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Sweaters like this are gonna be the hottest shit this year

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This has been a very strange season for me, with lots going on as fashion reacts to a world of flux. An uneasy atmosphere has been developing over the past couple seasons, and I feel like this is the season that alot of the tension is being finally released. We are still unsure of many things, but the industry seems ready to strap up and take its next step forward.

I feel quite detached from the happenings this season as I stopped scrolling through my instagram feed everyday like I used to, but part of it is also being tired of where fashion has been for a while now, and not being excited or passionate about the proposals being made. There also seems to be a ton of new labels and movements popping up which are hard and tiring to keep up with, but it is a sign that the sense of community and collaboration among the younger generation is really solidifying which is interesting. Seeing all this activity constantly forces me to reexamine my own position and proposals, whether I want to channel this energy and say something or be a discerning observer while I plan and time my next move.

E. Tautz had a couple standout looks, but from what I've heard it doesn't pull apart well into solid enough of a range. Which kind of makes sense, alot of the neat looks only seem to work because of the specific composition of certain elements within each piece ("that" texture / tone of denim what "that" weave of wool), but it isn't easy to achieve that same effect / arrangement with only 1 piece, then trying to buy / find other specifics to substitute / play with the same elements. Nice yes, but there isn't much else that would convince consumers to choose their basic wool trouser over another brand's.

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J.W. Anderson is as consistent as ever, and i think the pace of his growth and brand is absolutely genius. It's very organic and every season I find myself drawn to his work more. This past sale season I bought my first piece which was a logo sweatshirt, and while it was really nice I let it go because I wanted to do it "right", and incorporate his core propositions into my dress instead of signaling through a logo. Easily one of the best right now, has such a strong signature and being able to build a universe around his brand (with his other projects that makes all of its output oh so wantable) at such a young age is absolutely remarkable.

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Charles Jeffrey's 3 season run under MAN has come to an end, and while I admire the eccentricity and loudness of expression in his work, its progression has felt somewhat uneven to me and I am still left a little confused as to what his overall message is. I very much admire the theatrical nature of his work as well as the extravagant references to costume history, and the general energy / movement behind it all. I would like to partake as I relate to some of the ideas / subculture being pushed, but I cannot relate to alot of the pieces themselves. I think it would be great if he finds a way to manifest his signature into a basic staple like a sweater or tshirt, so that it still remains niche but is just a little more inclusive of its many admirers.

This shearling jacket is fucking phenomenal. Oftentimes it's the hardest to put your own signature on an established garment and still have it stand on its own, this just absolutely NAILED it!!

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Wales Bonner won last year's LVMH Prize so I was really excited to see how that would affect her brand, but I was kind of disappointed this season. She seems like a very thoughtful and intellectual person, and what I really liked about her previous work was that its scale and intimacy reflected her qualities and made for a very genuine, emotional output. This definitely feels a little more commercial and ambitious to hit a wide range, but dangerously close to, dare I say, dilution. Even the silhouettes were a little all over the place and felt too passive, especially for a "fall" collection. The presentations were gorgeous, the recent shows detract from the magic.

But I've looked at enough collections and experienced how it translates to the sales floor to the wardrobe enough not to judge an entire season's work based on looks and styling. Just wish there were more standout looks / pieces here, I honestly can't find a single one personally whereas before I wanted just about everything.

The pattern mix at some parts were enjoyable, like the trousers and shoes here.

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>>12251321
Nobody cares, cuck.

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Kiko - been watching him for the past 3+ years and it's been inspiring to see how far he's come along. Not very compelling for me yet but given the scale of his operations and the fact that he seems to be a very product oriented designer, we'll just have to keep watching to see how it grows. His customers will be looking for a "Kiko trouser / jacket", etc.

He also seems to intentionally tailor his trousers to give them a "non-fashion" fit, which I am not so sure of. It makes sense given his love for Yohji and work / utility wear, but man some of those cuts look straight up nasty to me. If I were him I'd probably establish like 3 basic cuts (slim, tapered, wide), then just work off those all the time. But I'm not him so lol

All of these designers are fucking trash and you may aswell post streetwear because I'd rather look at shit which is overtly trash instead of shit which is pretentiously trash

>>12251543
True.

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The Prada collection was strangely very comforting and relaxing, a safehaven during a time of chaos. Phenomenal range. Very appropriate for the moment, albeit on the other end of the spectrum. Such a tasteful proposition from one of the most intellectual women in fashion. Bravo!!

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Onto the meat and bones of this season. Absolutely loved Balenciaga, they really hit the nail on the head with this one. Fuck, where do I even begin? This is so freakishly appropriate for the RIGHT NOW and how I was feeling, Demna & Co. always seem to be exactly 1 step ahead and are always able to be the very first to offer the aesthetic and products that people knew they wanted but couldn't quite put their finger on.

I thrift alot and it can be said that this is "thrifted clothes executed with high fashion level production", but that is exactly what is so good about it (and what was good about Hedi's Saint Laurent). It also frames certain design elements and styling methods in a clever way, revealing the charm in what most find tacky.

The tag on the cuffs of outerwear can often be found on old thrifted suits, a "passe" idea of luxury and formality, as are the diagonal all over logo print (the epitome of diffusion, what "bill" finds to be a "nice shirt" at Armani Exchange, the store that sells "nice clothes"), the cheeky "HOMME" graphic, etc. Many fashion faux pas which are reframed for reconsideration, such as dark shirt + light tie, functional layering with disregard to form, LOW WAISTED trousers (if this does come back it'll be the ultimate testament to Demna's unstoppable influence on fashion), all buttons done up on coat, floor-length silhouette that drops abruptly from the shoulders..

There is often an overlap between what is considered the most and least fashionable, on perfect display here in all its clever, cheeky glory. A common criticism is "it's not new, it's literally thrift / walmart, anyone could do that" - yes, anyone could, but they didn't, and they didn't do it now.

>>12251608
>I thrift alot
Not even surprised, lmao.

>>12251546
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>>12251528
not op but jesus christ you guys are plebeian

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Really like this look and the way it plays with the masculine dynamic. The heavy shoes evoke a sense of power, groundedness, and intimidation, while the thigh high socks are quite homoerotic and "up and personal", who the man is when he retreats to the privacy of his own home and sheds his corporate persona. What are in the multiple leather shopping bags seen in some other looks? Anniversary gifts for his wife? Corporate gifts (bribes)? Both?

It's quite unfashionable to project too active of an interest in fashion. Unless you are blessed with the right features and your lifestyle provides proper context for much of fashion, it's too easy to look like a victim. If you can't look "on point" via high fashion, you have the one other option that offers equal (or potentially more) cultural capital, which is to look "on point" via non-fashion. There are so many people out on the streets who lack fashion consciousness, but because of the lack of that mental filter (barrier) they are able to end up with very interesting outcomes (old people and hobos are fly as fuck). The reason Vetements (purists, not hype graphic print oriented consumers) and Balenciaga are so appealing to people like me is that it lets us be "stylish in secret", it fulfills our guilty pleasure of wanting to look more "lower class", more "authentic" than we actually may be, lets us project a sense of NONCHALANCE, which is the true luxury in these clothes. An experiential luxury. People may say "that's cringey, fucking posers" but that's how it works & how it's always worked, even outside of fashion : individuals in low and medium classes wanting to look like each other. We know it, and Demna knows it. That is why he offers what he does. People aren't buying it because they think it's the objectively best looking garment to everyone else. They're buying it to disassociate with parts of fashion they don't like, and BECOME the primary source of inspiration for themselves and others who share the same tastes.

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Speaking of corporate work there was a new brand on the radar this season called BILLIONAIRE, which I thought was really funny and badass for how unforgivingly hypermasculine it was. It was actually refreshing to see conservative menswear turned up to the max in a time where traditional masculinity is so frowned upon.

Huge cock core

Going to bed, will be posting more in the morning and throughout the Womenswear shows in the coming weeks.

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>>12251651
what i like most about Gvasalia's design for Balenciaga (and in for vetements too) is his semi-ironic sense of buisness: everyone gets crazy for his avant-garde and cutting edge fashion, but really most of the pieces from balenciaga are perfectly wearable by everyone.
And I loved the last vêtements collection cause it gets even further: as people expect vêtements to put out some weird shit (aka the played out oversised sweaters), he just makes a normal collection. most of the clothes were litterally normal, looking unintentionnaly badly cut or boring. It doesn't look like "normcore" (if the expression is still in use) or antifashin, it just looks completely normal. But the buisness sense is still present, a lot of pieces are still "vêtements-staples" (it's fun to see that a brand existing for only 4 years aldready has staple pieces)

>>12251496
Looking like some Tudor Armour man.

>>12251639
We get it, op.

>>12251727
epic

>>12251608
Hedi's "thrift store" style was ingenious and original with inspiration drawn from rock & roll related subcultures of the past and had actual charm. This is just fucking over the top and has no fucking appeal.

>>12251752
There was nothing 'thrift' about hedis slp tho, I don't know where you are coming with this
It was just "hey how about we take iconic peacocky rock'n'roll items and make them slim"
Ironically enough the latest show where Hedi was missing and that touched more on 80s was genuinely the most interesting to date.

>>12251710
is there a single vetements piece that isn't fucking garbage?
i love this brand for being a dipshit identifier.

>>12251766
i wouldn't wear it; i thought that the brand was garbage too, but when you look at their collections, the first have some cool asymtrical clothing and so on, and the last really moves forward by putting purely normal/ugly clothing on the runway. Vetements does what I hoped Martin Margiela would make when i started looking up the brand

>>12251832
thanks for a reasonable response to my shitty post my dude.

>>12251838
but yeah, seeing a teen wearing the vetements basic sweathshirts makes me want to put my eyeballs out. the other day i saw a fat girl wearing an oversised vetements sweatshirt (but as she was fat or maybe that she even bought it too small, it just looked like another roomy sweatshirt that every 15yo girl has), paired with black leggings and red rafs ozweegos, i both wanted to pull my eyeballs out and become violent. spending almost 1k on clothes at such a young age to look like a moronic teen makes me so fucking mad

>>12251481
>incorporate his core propositions into my dress instead of signaling through a logo
that's beautiful OP and definitely don't let this go - we have to prove to designers it's sometimes more about the fashion than it is about the branding.

>>12251861
>getting upset over what other people wear
wow anon how come you are such a pretentious faggot

>>12251866
thats not what pretension is

>>12251873
True enough it's elitistic unwarranted faggotry
Though I'm assuming he is pretentious fuck as well, usually the people who judge other people on how they dress tend to be

>>12251879
pretentious faggot here
i don't judge people over their clothes, i don't care about clothes all that much. i don't care about people dressing badly or not caring about how they dress because obviously that's not their problem.
the problem is that someone so young spends that much money (her parent's money obviously) to look that bad. i have an issue with teens using their parents money to buy expensive clothes in general (canada goose, supreme etc). an other issue is that their parent's behaviour that make the young people think this kind of behaviour is normal. then, second thing wrong: spending that much to buy things that are not completely normie-brands (vetements is still kinda cutting edge, at least where i live) to look that normal. buying certain brands should imply that you have the taste to wear it and not look like a moron, and the intelligence to look past the "muh ironic heavy metal designs on oversized sweatshirts" (when you surely don't listen to heavy metal). i know that around 90% of the people that buy vetements think like that and that's fucking despicable.
people's clothes are statements and are linked to a whole mentality, and i don"t judge her for how she looks, but for what she bought says about her.

>>12251907
>i don't judge people over their clothes
> it just looked like another roomy sweatshirt that every 15yo girl has), paired with black leggings and red rafs ozweegos, i both wanted to pull my eyeballs out and become violent
You do.
You are a huge fucking faggot to be honest, your attempt to 'justify' such bullshit is fucking pathetic, get over yourself.

>>12251907
>buying certain brands should imply that you have the taste to wear it
jesus christ do everyone a favor and go accesorize with a bullet in your skull right now that's the pretty cutting edge and tasteful

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>>12251921
vetements-hoodie wearing asian teens detected

>>12251939
Good thing we have such enlightened and fashion-savy intellectual individual among us to tell us who is worthy of wearing fashion brands and who is not.
Pity the day that poor teenager realizes that she liked vetements for all the wrong reasons and didn't even have your approval to wear the brand, she must feel like such a fool.

>>12251918
that's not a pathetic attempt at justifying myself, that's an explanation of what i think. i don't judge everyone by their clothes, i judge some people over the choices they make. then again, if you see nothing wrong with 10 year olds wearing moncler, i guess it's fine, go live your happy life thinking that what you buy says nothing about you

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>>12251528
>genuine attempt to use the board for it's intended purpose and this is the response

you're the reason we can't have nice things

that aside Dior Homme was a big winner for me. lots of intimidating looks with color palettes to match but not too outlandish. a real dystopian clandestine operation feel to most of the looks. props to KVA for this one.

>>12251980
Fuck that coat is beautiful.

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>>12251950
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>>12251918
(You)

>>12251987
>that fucking second to right
s-stop making my favourite sneakers look like shit

>>12251966
>that's an explanation of what i think
Which is literally you trying to justify your completely unwarranted hate towards something
And what it boils down is "It's bad because I don't like it" or in hip 4chan speak
>muh feelings
Which frankly, no one gives a fuck about
>. i don't judge everyone by their clothes
But you do you dumb fuck, that post was
>I don't judge people
>but here is paragraph of me explaining that I judge people
Is your IQ 2 digits or are you pretending to be dumb

>>12251966
>if you see nothing wrong with 10 year olds wearing moncler, i guess it's fine, go live your happy life thinking that what you buy says nothing about you
But anon there is nothing wrong with that. If 10 year old likes it then that's all there is to it.
>thinking that what you buy says nothing about you
I never said that, you just assumed this. Everything is communication after all so of course what you buy says something about you.

>>12251998
>muh feelings
the man never said anything about feelings

>I don't judge people
>but here is paragraph of me explaining that I judge people
but he didn't say that, it was more like 'I dont judge people based on this, I judge them based on this'

I dont even care about this argument, but quoting like this triggers me

>>12252006
>the man never said anything about feelings
No he did not but that is how he justifies being elitist prick, literally nothing to do with anything other than that he feels that it's the wrong thing to do, so his argument is nothing but
>muh feelings

>but he didn't say that, it was more like 'I dont judge people based on this, I judge them based on this'
That is LITERALLY what I said, he claims he doesn't judge people then goes to write wall of text saying he judges people, what a dumb dummy.

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>tfw I just want to discuss fashion but the threads been overrun with autists bickering

>>12252000
>But anon there is nothing wrong with that. If 10 year old likes it then that's all there is to it.
Not him but, although there is nothing wrong with it and it doesnt make me angry, it does irk me a bit personally seeing expensive clothes worn like fast fashion

it just seems like a waste I guess

like people wearing geobaskets badly as 'flexing' pieces or whatever

>>12252019
>it does irk me a bit personally seeing expensive clothes worn like fast fashion
right
well that makes you a pretentious elitist faggot
>it just seems like a waste I guess
Because you come up with some bullshit in your head thinking it's like that, it has no basis in reality unfortunately. How do you even 'wear something like fast fashion'?

>>12252000
seriously? it doesn't bother you at all that people spend 1K on fucking kids' clothes? it doesn't bother you either that kids can grow up thinking that this is what they are entitled to? it's not even about looks or brands or quality or fast or low fashion, it's just about having an education, learning about the value of things (and spending so much on a coat that the kid will be to tall to wear next winter is,all else aside, a huge waste of money)

>>12251987
lmaoo pic this is so embarassing

>>12252034
>it doesn't bother you at all that people spend 1K on fucking kids' clothes?
Why would it? I'm not very preoccupied with how other people spend their money. They make clothing for kids that costs a lot, of course there is a market for that, they wouldn't sell otherwise.
>it doesn't bother you either that kids can grow up thinking that this is what they are entitled to
No, again why would it. Your background doesn't determine you becoming an asshole, I've met plenty of poor people who were total idiots.
>it's just about having an education, learning about the value of things
You literally just assume someone who is wearing something is like that, you don't know them, this is why you are pretentious faggot.

>>12252024
>well that makes you a pretentious elitist faggot
ok

>it has no basis in reality unfortunately
are you saying that there is nothing objective about the quality of fits?

>How do you even 'wear something like fast fashion'?
badly

the way you probably wear your ricks

>>12252043
>Your background doesn't determine you becoming an asshole
socioeconomics status has a massive environmental factor in how people behave

>>12252047
>are you saying that there is nothing objective about the quality of fits?
I'm saying that YOU judging people inside your head has no objective real life quality, it's just you being petty pretentious gaylord.
>socioeconomics status has a massive environmental factor in how people behave
Interesting, wanna point me to the study that links being asshole with socioeconomic background?

>>12252043
>You literally just assume someone who is wearing something is like that, you don't know them, this is why you are pretentious faggot.
i've known enough of these people to assume they are like that, yes. these are the people that go to shitty overpriced buisness schools where it is only thanks to their parents' money that they are allowed, that do coke on week days payed with their parents money, drive fast cars before getting a well payed job at the end of their studies thanks to their network. these people grow up to be assholes never stepping out of their golden bubble.

>>12252071
>i've known enough of these people to assume they are like that
I've known enough those people to know they aren't like that. Your anecdotal evidence unfortunately does not have any weight in real life, you are just further cementing that yeah, you are just pretentious projecting dick.
And you sound bitter as hell, maybe try improving your life instead of being jealous of those who have it better.
Funny how this derailed from discussion about 'justification' of wearing something to you venting, but feels probably good get it out of your chest, now to fix your attitude problems.

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>>12251463
There is some serious talent here.

I mean just look how he managed to make a giant wall of text about some cringy utterly blatant shit coming from noname shit designers that nobody cares about.

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>Thread that might go beyong the "bruh this fire nigga w2c" is ruined by mind-reading pseud telling how its bad to judge based on appearance while he judges another anonymous retard on slave trading cartoon forum.

>>12252095
>noname shit designers
What are same designers that you like?

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>>12251980
Justify this though. There are some nice pieces in the collection but KVA seems to have randomly picked a popular theme; comes across as extremely vacuous.

>>12252088
you do know that you're applying to me the same judgment you say i'm applying to others, right?

>>12252121
what exactly needs to be justified here?

>>12252137
Printing Christian Dior with that slogan underneath. Honestly cringe worthy.

>>12252143
it goes along with the theme of the show you dunce

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>>12252121
I've always been indifferent on the whole erratic graphic and text on designs. I don't hate them but I still haven't seen one that I like enough to even think about maybe buying. Raf and his popular parka is probably the biggest culprits of this. I agree this is probably the worst of the collection.

the whole rave sublimation print shit isn't as bad but I still wouldn't buy

>>12252123
I'm just calling you out for being pretentious, don't take 4chan meme speak hyperboles so serioulsy

>>12252149
Which is? Rave?

I liked KvA a lot a while back, but his last few collections have been embarassing. It's like he's trying to do something like Raf did at Dior with honoring the original Christian Dior and design collections under an overall theme, but it just comes off as tryhard and fake. Rave culture and a luxury designer label do not match. "just let us rave", "hardior", "#kvasquad" (aka people we pay to wear our clothes)...it's quite embarassing.

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>>12252155
I was using the sweater as the epitome of pretty much this
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>>12252165
he's been struggling to find his path at homme
but dior's corporate focus will always be on the women's rtw and hc, homme is the ignored child
especially with the current women's, homme is absolutely overshadowed, so he has to find something that'll make waves, and this collection was awful

>>12252165
>Rave culture and a luxury designer label do not match

who said? this all plays into why he made the collection, to move to house and the world of fashion forward and keep boring people like you out

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>>12251321
It honestly baffles me how people can like the new Balenciaga menswear. It looks like someone tried to recreate old Raf and Margiela collections with bargain bin clothes. It's honestly kind of offensive how shamless some of these looks are ripped off. The suits with the sneakers, the leather shopping bags...and it's all so incredibly ill-fitting and bland.

look at this. It's looks like a fucking /fa/ waywt fit

>>12252188
People who buy Dior clothes that appropriate rave culture are the epitome of boring in my book. And I don't think even KvA himself would describe his work as "moving fashion forward". Dior homme has been stagnant for the last five years.

>>12252189
>It's looks like a fucking /fa/ waywt fit
Dont be rude, it looks way better than /fa/ waywt.

>>12252095
>j.w. anderson
>wales bonner
>noname designers
you must be new to fashion in general

>>12252189
lmao why are you even here, literally everything went right over your pleb head

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>>12252189
>look at this. It's looks like a fucking /fa/ waywt fit
fuck you're right

at least you tried, OP

>>12251762
did you even watch the SS16 SL show? it was literally based off of california kids who thrift all their clothing

>>12252193
>People who buy Dior clothes that appropriate rave culture are the epitome of boring in my book.

>want designer cuts and quality
>want to try something new
>"hurr boring"

ok

>>12252217
Eh it was more just take on grunge, which admittedly has that kinda homely worn look

>>12252222
not that anon but c'mon dude, as a huge hedi fan, his aesthetic was inherently thrifted heroin chic
there's even photos online of clothes found at a thrift being near 1:1s with new saint laurent clothes

it's not a bad thing
but call a spade a spade

>>12252203
Oh please teach me the deep hidden secrets Balenciaga and Vetements have to offer. Like putting Bernie Sanders campain logo and Kering's logo on sweaters and pairing it with illfitting trousers that show off your junk...I'm sure there's something I don't get.

>>12252222
no, that was FW13

I literally have show notes and it denotes the cast as "california kids"

>>12252233
yeah what you posted is exactly what you don't get, it's all laid out here for you

>>12251608
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>>12251710

sorry if your limited exposure to high fashion prevents you from understanding

>>12252241
It seems more like the people buying Vetements and Balenciaga are the ones that don't get that they have become the butt of the joke. If I see someone wearing a Vetements hoodie on the street nowaways my expression is usually a mix of second hand embarassment and pity.

>>12252233
demna is a cheeky cunt
everything he has done so far is him blatantly acknowledging that his followers are teens who cannot afford anything he designs
the bernie clothes and kering hoodie are perfect examples of this
he's been very political since throwing his name in the mix, and in my opinion, it comes off as facetious
he's laughing at us
so i get why you dont like it

i dont like it either, but my reasoning is a bratty approach since margiela means so much to me, demna just seems like the diet coke version

>>12252249
why? cause they found joy in clothing and a fit that they like? i think it's a pity that other people's choice in clothing affects you so much

>>12252251
But I get that. This is exactly why I don't like it. I don't have a problem with using humor in fashion. I actually think fashion needs more of it. But there's a big difference between, say the humor JW Anderson uses and the cyncism displayed in Vetements and Balenciaga. And what baffles me the most about it is that Vetements did not feel like this at all when they started out. It seemed like they had a genuine passion in breaking out of the system and doing their own thing, which now turned into playing with and using that system to get rich.

The perfect example for this is their current collection with all the collaborations. This would have been a chance to give people access to their ideas that usually couldn't afford their clothes. But instead of selling an Eastpak backpack for the price it usually costs, they are selling it for 650€. It's literally an Eastpak backpack with a slightly bigger handle. It just makes me sad.

>>12252278
you didnt see this from the beginning? really? i got the "you're not in on this joke" feeling since they first made waves
the eastpak isn't that different than the dhl tee
it's expected of them, at least for me

maybe it's a meta approach to consumerism
maybe demna and his brother are just dickheads

what issue do you have with them making money?

>>12252278
I don't think there really is cynicism in it, they are just taking the piss out of everything, the whole ss17 collab bullshit was hilarious, there is hardly any irony in it anymore. And it feels like they had insider information about the Supreme x LV because the timing was too perfect

>>12252286
But I have the feeling that Vetements and to a lesser extent Balenciaga only work as long as this "your not in on the joke" thing still applies. Because there's simply not much else there. The designs themselves are nothing new or exciting in my opinion. It's all been there before (sometimes not even more than 2 years ago). Maybe it's just hard for me to grasp this, because I don't see who benefits from this "meta approach to consumerism" at this point other then Vetements themselves. Why would I want to spend this much money on a brand that's looking down on me as a customer? Why would I want to spend 2500€ on a bomber jacket made by alpha industries when I can buy the original for 100€ when it only shows that I'm a victim of how hype in the fashion industry works?

>>12251907
Someone hasn't read Style Rookie. Pretentious, ageist, judgemental twit.

Are you sure you aren't just jelly of their privilege? I like to see kids taking an interest in fashion. Sure they won't get it 'right' for a while but who cares?

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>>12252311
you saw designs like this less than 2 years ago? pray tell where

>>12252121
This is very nice

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>>12252325
Dries opened his fw2017 with this coat he designed in 2008. This oversized aesthetic has been there before. I'm not saying Vetements didn't play a role in bringing it back, but it's not original in any way. I mean the "power shoulder" is basically an 80s thing.

>>12252356
nothing is original but demna is definitely pushing boundaries

>>12251321
hey OP I don't actually have anything to add but I want to say I appreciate this post

I thought I'd say that because the angry autists are the only ones commenting

>>12252100
>0-3 sad onions

>>12252319
i care. fashion isn't about buying expensive pieces from more or less edgy brands, it's about having a personnal taste, knowing how to wear clothes and not where to buy them. a big part of fashion is wearing ugly clothes nicely at that age. buying expensive clothes should come later. in the case i was talking about, the clothes are ridiculously expensive and the result completely plain. it's all just taking to the extreme the idea that to be a cool kid you had to wear abercrombie, or canada goose, or moncler; no good comes out of that because the purchases and the style are motivated by hype, not by taste
then again, we most surely all looked cringy at some part of our teens. i know i did, but i didn't spend that much money on looking cringy

>>12252311
that's the whole point of vetements i think, this whole half ironything; in themselves, the pieces don't stand out, and if i had the money to buy such expensive clothes i'd buy something else. but it's really fun to see what they're doing from pretty far away

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Y/Project has been a brand I've been looking forward to seeing in the past 2-3 seasons. The excitement came from its high risk balancing act, but this season I felt things went too far off the deep end. Their strength for me was offsetting the chaos of the looks / collection with crazy but wearable denim, but this season the denim was not "wearable" at all.

They've also been somewhat of a "vetements alternative" for me, they play with many of the same elements which makes sense given the designers went to school together around the same time, but I think Y/Project would benefit from further differentiating themselves, as sometimes the similarities (even the video format of the show) are too striking and I feel people tend to glaze over it because of this.

I picked up a pair of the super long jeans last season, definitely a brand to watch that I'm looking to buy more into in the future.

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Love this shot from Loewe, reminds me of Wes Anderson movies

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Loewe (and JWA to a lesser extent) has been one of those brands that you really have to invest in to get it right, I've been admiring from afar for years now, one of my favourite propositions for the idea of "luxury" at the moment. I'd love to get into Loewe with some Prada if I had the means

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Nevermind the Supreme collaboration, it is what it is and a very well executed move. The clothes were great, love this sort of loose layering. LV is one of the only brands I can think of that have different designers for mens/womens while both being really good.

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Been getting into Dries alot lately, it's recently just "clicked" for me because of how much of a dick waving contest much of fashion has been for a while. I think the coolest, the most "avant garde" thing to do right now in reaction to the culture of hype and feigned hardness / edge is to demonstrate a mastery of the more classical elements of men's dress, which is what these clothes allow you to do. Then you hint at a sense of playfulness or something otherwise "unmasculine", avoiding being seen as #menswear but someone who is self aware (this is the key) enough to subvert that in ways the audience had not been able to consider before.

This coat is absolutely phenomenal, one of my favourite pieces from any designer this season. I have a feeling that oriental Chinese aesthetics (which is what this coat reminds me of) are slowly making their way into the mainstream, it just feels very appropriate for the moment.

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Yohji was very disappointing yet again this season, this look was kind of neat though.

I have a feeling he's almost done, this last stretch has been stagnant and lifeless.

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As formulaic in structure and range as ever, CdG H+ was just another season of reworking the same house codes, nothing new here.

This look was fucking great though. I really want those shoes

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Outstanding debut at Berluti by Haider

>>12253187
man Berluti prices are insane, at least i can settle for HA

>>12252189
I'm assuming this season's sneakers are gonna be in the $400-$500 range, which is a shame because they're fucking amazing and wearable as hell. Can anyone think of any alternatives that could be had for like $200 or less? Frankly the new yeezys seem like the best option thus far but I really don't like being involved with that whole scene.

>Inb4 le epic air monarchs meme

>>12253202
yeezys
ozweegos
newbalance

>>12253157
i am smart genius fashion man formulaic in the construyction of this thesaurus watch as i say absolutely nothing meaingful and show that i am a middle american dumbass mindlessly saying nothing about anything but desperately writing as though i actually do in hopes i can fool noobs

>>12253202
sorry please leave this thread

>>12253222
:(

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And finally Gosha was one of the best for me this season, it was one of the most emotionally impactful menswear shows in a while.

Highly reccommended viewing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6agDSFvgkQ

>>12253235
vetement, gosha the list of invnvoantros fcou8ld go on if u refer to pave 6 of my thesaurus that was mandotory for my community college english class, mascuilinity means manly... really makes u think how theya re men ojn the runway huh really cool impactful

>>12253238
the impactful insightfulness of the lines of the fashionj are really frank in their masculinity

>>12253248
>>12253238
For some reason it feels like you didn't watch the video.......

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I love Vetements for the same reasons I'm into Balenciaga that I mentioned above, I thought this collection was a perfectly timed pause / return to their roots at a time where overexposure almost seemed to be harming the brand.

I'm also very much into the idea of characters and life / dress as theatre, this perfectly satisfied my obsession with caricatures / archetypes both in my fantasies and in reality on the streets.

>>12253256
yeah i just cant understand it because i dont have your genius first year ocmmunity college english encyclopedic knowledge of literally saying nothing meaningful about any collection but congratulating your prostate on how great it is because your head is rammed firmly up your ass

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I remember I was really taken aback after seeing Raf's Spring 2016 collection, thinking "wtf is this shit" but was astounded a season or two later when I realized how much sense it made, how ahead he was.

This definitely isn't as strong of a collection for sure, but already I've come around to seeing the appeal in some of the cuts and styling elements.

This is one of my favourites, the necklace is such a great touch, really makes the entire look.

>>12253323
here ill translate

this fashion is cool but weird... but im like smart and i get the weirdness you know.... im like damn look at the shape of this clothing i mean i can understand that someone might like how this looks look at this necklace i think it looks awesome

notice how know meaningful observations have been made

>>12253235
that was a great fucking show, thanks 4 making me watch it

>>12253157
are you kidding he looks fucking autistic and those shoes are piss

>>12253350
yeah that retarded bitch doesnt even have a bogo O_O why isn't his sleeves down to the ground what a fag!!!

And finally the last "menswear" collection of the season, Raf at Calvin Klein

I was super excited when I first heard of the appointment as I thought it was a perfect match while providing an alternative source for Raf's flair without associating with the Raf Simons brand, which is very much Fashion with a capital F. He's already injected a feeling of intellectualism into the brand, highlighting the potential / best parts of American sensibility. Although there isn't much I'd personally like to wear in this collection, I appreciate the message and thought the peel away shoulder construction was very clever, it'll definitely be a recognizable / wantable motif for people buying into the new CK.

Can't wait to see how this will develop in the coming years and trickle down to the sub lines.

Off to lunch, be back in the evening to post about some of the Women's shows

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>>12253390

Forgot pic lol

This thread will be useful.

>>12253390
anon pls translate this too

>>12253306
I'm not even OP what you were saying was just not correlated in any way to what he posted

>>12253235
gosha is trash

>muh slavic gym rat brotherly companionship clothing

>>12251752
>slp
>"ingenious"
>"original"
next time just tell us you're retarded beforehand

>>12252106
h&m
asos
nike
adidas

get btfo

>>12252189
>>12252233
>ill-fitting
no, that's quite literally how they intended it to fit. how stupid are you

>>12253638
Yeah, Mr. H&M is a pretty cool guy.

>>12253235
I'm actually really looking forward to that season. Anyone have an approximate of when it'll drop?

>>12251710
Defending gebalia is just showing what little taste you have.

Fashion is dead and gevalia is the symptom. He's awful and ruining balenciaha.

Good work op

>>12252425
he used to give me my first asmr back in the late 00's and early 10's, his vids were so fucking comfy.

>>12251879
>on /fa/
>deriding people for being pretentious

>>12251907
this post was autism and the ensuing argument was poorly executed by all involved.

>>12252088
People with no knowledge about fashion (the majority who purchase these items) wearing high value clothing not only reduces the supply of the already scarce commodity, but pollutes the demographic of people who are knowledgeable and have taste that express those qualities through their hard earned purchases with no-nothings and parrots who put no effort into fashion.

When someone with absolutely no refinement (the knowledge of an artform, time invested into learning about that artform) parrots those who have invested that time, it undermines the effort that the few "refined" individuals have put into learning and working toward the pieces that they've bought and incorporate into their wardrobe.

It also looks horrendous and that in itself has merit in the fashion community.

>>12254809
*know-nothings

>>12251330
Yo how did this fly under the radar
seriously fucking underrated posts my peeps

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>>12254809
>pollutes the demographic
>earned purchases
>who put no effort into fashion
> "refined" individuals

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>>12254814
Word!

>>12254809
lol please tell us how knowledgeable you are about high fashion, buddy

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>>12254823

>>12254858
More than some basic bitch wearing market minded vetements sweaters and meme'd up geobaskets

>>12251987
lit crew skreet skreet

>>12254872
that has nothing to do with i said, and i'm not any of these posters defending vetements

why are you positioning yourself so high and mighty over others? what's your background in fashion? what do you understand that they dont?

>>12252968
its literally a jojo character

>>12254881
My original reply was to the argument in which someone was called pretentious for insulting someone who wore that outfit.

I'm not positioning myself any higher than where you are, I own no designer pieces. I'm supplying an arguement for someone who could couldn't handle the bants. Why do I have to have a background in fashion to understand the concepts of taste and how it applies to fashion? Do I need a background in fashion for logical arguments?

>>12254888
>logical argument
>literally RRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEE STOP DOING THINGS I DON'T LIKE

this thread is pure wank
i remember my """""intellectual fashion discussion""""" phase taking myself so serious and sounding like an absolute tool posting this shit
and thank fuck its over lmao

>>12254890
Read my post, two clear contentions.

Care to rebut those instead meming at me with your comedy arrows?

>>12254897
This your post:
>>12254809
Cause there is nothing logical about this, it's kinda insulting you are even using the word 'logic' in the context

>>12254902
Elaborate. Don't just make claims.

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You two don't even discuss fashion, so stop it or take your hen fight somewhere else.

>>12254907
This is good exercise for my brain :)

I'm trying to impart a lesson as well.

>>12254904
>Elaborate
jesus fuck
you are just saying "the reason these people like thing are wrong because I say so" there is fuck all to elaborate when you haven't made any point to begin with, think about your post there you aren't saying anything objective, just that people enjoying fashion their way is wrong. Elitism is not logical or rational stand point and that's all you have.

>>12254888
if you have "absolutely no refinement" in the art of fashion, how could you possibly have a concept of taste in fashion?
per your argument
your "logical" argument for why people who have "no taste" shouldn't be purchasing high end garments is that they're essentially ruining something for those that have: taste, money, and fashion knowledge.

your argument is dependent on the person with tasting now looking like shit because the person without taste looks like shit

>>12254914
I'll break it down.

Main contention:
People who have taken the time out of their day to learn and invest in fashion will obviously feel undermined and or upset at people who have no knowledge of the area of study that they have dedicated themselves to.

That is the unfortunate thing about fashion and why you see rich chinks with no taste. They have money, but no knowledge about the styles, motifs, history, specific designers, basics (silhouette, color theory, textiles, patterns) of fashion.

>>12254921
You don't have to own lots of clothing to understand fashion, you study what you see in magazines, listen to designers, watch trends, gain knowledge (this place seriously lacks knowledge these days).

Owning Rick doesn't mean you understand Rick.

>>12254921
My argument was that people who
1.learn
then
2.invest monetary sums with that knowledge
are those who have taste.

>>12254921
also wtf? I can barely understand what you're fucking saying. Is English your native language?

>>12254933
that's not my argument at all
you can get a fashion degree and understand construction and fashion concepts from a classical training background
you can work in the industry and be someone's apprentice
you can spend all day on the internet reading old magazines, interviews, reviews, analyzing runway shows and collections yourself
you can have access to clothes by purchasing them and looking at how they're built, reverse engineering the construction and why it works

there are tons of ways to understand fashion, but again, my argument is not that you need to own clothes

so, if you have "absolutely no refinement" in the art of fashion, how could you possibly have a concept of taste in fashion?

>>12254928
>feel undermined and or upset at people
See that's the thing
There is nothing logical about this
They are upset because someone is consuming same things they are, it's textbook elitism
It's like you are at the grocery store and see someone buying free range eggs and then you are upset because you ASSUME that the person doesn't even know everything there is to know about producing eggs and farming chickens
> They have money, but no knowledge
Says who? You just assume there is no 'knowledge', did it cross your mind that they are doing exactly what they want with the clothing they buy for their reasons, that you are the one who doesn't understand and doesn't have the deeper knowledge and 'refinement' to see why they do that?
>motifs, history, specific designers, basics (silhouette, color theory, textiles, patterns) of fashion
None of this is relevant whatsoever, cool if you are in to that and like it but it's silly to assume you HAVE to know it, fashion is just clothes. Wearing something because you like how it looks is just as justified as wearing the same thing because you understand everything there is to understand about the piece in wider context.

>>12254939
lol i have one typo in it, what don't you understand?


>>12254936
so then it's not possible to
1. purchase clothes
2. become knowledgeable about the clothes

that's how the majority of stylists get their start
so do stylists not have taste?

>>12254936
Your argument is build on what 'taste' means and that you get to say who has taste and who doesn't so it's kinda shit
Someone dressing in full H&M can have more knowledge about fashion than you ever will, you are just projecting on people and judging them on their appearance.

>>12254940
I don't get this argument you're making.
>if you have "absolutely no refinement" in the art of fashion, how could you possibly have a concept of taste in fashion?
So I'm assuming your giving the "unrefined " person the benefit of the doubt, and saying how they don't know anything and thus, can have no concept of taste. Got it.

Their ignorance has no bearing on the people who have studied fashion. When you dedicate your life to an area of study, and see people flaunting the things you've invested time in, acting like they have any kind of taste or knowledge (that's why they're buying those pieces, they think they have taste) which they don't as we've agreed on, then it undermines and disrespects the time and effort you've put into this field, something thy have not. They're using clothing as pieces of flair to gain social status, not to appreciate the artwork that designers have produced.

>>12253235
Great presentation, but fits are SO FUCKING TRASH. Gosha should switch to playwriting with the theme of edgy troubled youth.
I know there is a concept of "worse is the better" exists, I guess it's a fine example along with the vetememes trash and others slavish imitators.
But you faggots will defend anything.

>>12254941
Are free range eggs art?

>>12254953
>acting like they have any kind of taste or knowledge
You do realize this is just your skewed perception on them?
Even if they are 'flaunting' them there is literally nothing wrong with it.
> they think they have taste
Do you not realize how dumb this sounds? Obviously they have 'taste' they bought things according to their taste, they wear them that is their 'taste'.
> it undermines and disrespects the time and effort you've put into this field
No it doesn't, how the fuck does that even work? You think this kinda logic in any other context and you realize how stupid this argument is
>two guys walk in to a gallery, someone who just got new eyes after being blind and other who has dedicated his life to understanding and enjoying art
>the ex-blind man buys a painting
>"Why did you buy that" the artman asks
>"Cause I think it's beautiful" the ex-blind replies
How in the fuck and in what world does any of this 'undermine' or 'disrespect' the artman? Even if the ex-blind goes around bragging about the painting and showing it to everyone it has nothing to do with the art enthusiast.

>>12254953
>They're using clothing as pieces of flair to gain social status
Welcome to fashion!
>>12254956
That is completely irrelevant. And to the guy who is very invested to farming chickens, they might as well be.

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>>12254949
I'm not the gatekeeper for taste, I just understand the criteria that one requires to have taste (whether I have it or not is no concern to this argument).

Maybe I do wear H&M? I never said what you wear right now defines your taste in fashion. I said (again!) those who study fashion and are knowledgeable *as well as* those who are knowledgeable *and* buy the pieces they want are undermined by tasteless goons.

>>12254968
>I just understand the criteria that one requires to have taste
Well you obviously don't, you just have very elitistic view on what 'taste' is. Liking something for ANY reason whatsoever is showing taste.
>undermined
What others consume and buy has no effect whatsoever with you, unless you make it so, but that is entirely in your own head and is unfortunately not a real argument.

>>12254966
>>They're using clothing as pieces of flair to gain social status
Welcome to fashion!

Not everyone does that maybe?
>"the majority of people who buy those pieces"

>they might as well be.
Good one! that one gave me pause
But while free range eggs may have a great deal of knowledge and expended effort that goes into their production, it is nowhere close to the philosophical tenant of aesthetics and all that goes with that (the philosophy of art)

>>12254953
i am not giving the unrefined person the benefit of the doubt
i am using the original argument that people with no refinement in an art form hold no merit

i asked the poster if they had a background in fashion, and if there is something about fashion that they understand that others don't in the thread.

the poster ran circles around me questioning their fashion background and instead deflected by focusing on ownership of designer pieces, specifically their lack of.


instead of giving into their deflection, i kept at my true argument questioning their fashion knowledge, and therefore the validity in their argument

> "When you dedicate your life to an area of study, and see people flaunting the things you've invested time in...then it undermines and disrespects the time and effort you've put into this field"
no, it does not all
that's an emotional response and not a logical response
and that would lead into a whole different argument about people still treating fashion as a secret club

> They're using clothing as pieces of flair to gain social status, not to appreciate the artwork that designers have produced.

you cannot confidently say it's not both
however, the lack of knowledge could cause the appreciation to be something as minuscule as "i like how it [feels/fit/looks]"

>>12254976
>it is nowhere close to the philosophical tenant of aesthetics and all that goes with that
lmao this is again just your elitistic view on this shit
This discussion is kinda pointless if you can not even begin to understand that there are other viewpoints than yours in the world.
I feel like you should go post the original argument of yours to /lit/ they would probably destroy you in few posts, english isn't my first language so unfortunately it's kinda hard to explain this thing in philosophical logic cause I lack all the terms in english.

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>>12254971
>Liking something for ANY reason whatsoever is showing taste.

Refined taste. That gets into semantics; what is taste? Taste defined as one's particular likes and dislikes or the equally valid "knowledge of a certain artistic subject and enjoying things pertaining to that subject which are widely known by others who are knowledgeable as being good and contributing to the field as a whole". Ex. "you must have taste is you selected the Eames chair for your reading lounge"

>>12254986
>Refined taste.
Which has no defined meaning, you aren't arguing from any logical point of view just on your personal way of looking at it, it doesn't hold any water in real life because you aren't the authority in what is taste.

>>12254984
they probably would, and that's okay because I'm only starting my debating skills, and plan on picking up some Aristotle when I get the chance. Platonist metaphysics is cool, but I'm an empiricist through and through.

>>12254976
http://the-rosenrot.com/2016/09/the-myth-of-fashion-as-self-expression.html
Here's a read
She puts it in words lot better than I can

>>12254991
So I'm going to an art gallery with those who study are, in this hypothetical situation I point out pieces I like based on the content and history of the paintings and they say "you have good (refined) taste"

what of that? What of the usage of the word taste, one that has been used time and time again for around 2 centuries now (or greater?) Does that have no meaning?

Again, semantics here; is saying someone has taste and implying it is refined a colloquialism? Or does it really have an auxiliary meaning other than simply "preference".

>>12254997
I'll read that for sure, but look up the study of "semiotics" and see what that has to do with symbology, meaning making, and communication, it's everywhere and in my opinion is inherent to fashion.

>>12255007
If you mean 'refined' as in knowing the backgrounds it makes sense in the context but nothing makes it inherently 'better' taste than just liking something for it's face value, don't get the fact that there is the word 'refined' there misguide you to thinking it means that kind of taste is "better" in any objective sense.

>>12255017
>knowing the backgrounds
It's more than that, it's the entire artform of fashion.

I think you're getting into he whole "beauty is subjective" argument, but postmodernity like that doesn't stand up to the amount of effort that goes into beautiful works of art that have cultural significant value.

I tap out, thanks for playing.

>>12255023
>postmodernity like that doesn't stand up
m8 you can't just say shit like this without any explanation, not liking post-modernism personally doesn't make it or it's importance any less relevant
and at the end of the day, again it's just clothing, something you wear, the subjective beauty is the single most important aspect of buying and using a piece of clothing, where that view of why something is beautiful stems from is irrelevant
ton of people love raf ozweegos and adidas collabs, I think they are ugly as shit personally, beauty very much is subjective

>>12253235
gosha was the best show this season for me, actually the only one i watched in it's entirety

>>12254953

OP here

Gonna reply to a post for the first time in this thread

Briefly skimmed over these posts and sorry mate your argument is just retarded and most likely stems from the fact that you're just insecure

I have objectively more "refined taste" than you and I don't give two shits when I see chinese people designer'd up head to toe, that's just how it is and that's how fashion works. I'm not thinking "wat da fuk man dey dont get da artwork fashion design man omg wtf dey dont even know they havent done enough internet research like me fucking plebs", and the fact that you think this shows how unhealthy your attitude in general is, like wtf dude

This doesn't seem to be about fashion, more so about your own insecurities and ego. Check yourself

whatd you guys think of burberry?

knitwear was strong
shitty outerwear
shitty long sleeve vetements meme
asymmetrical brogues make me uneasy

>>12251980
>>12252121
yeah this sweater was very cringe
the showstudio paris recap panel ripped into this so hard lmao

can anybody give me a summary of this thread? it seems to be an utter shitshow but I can't be fucked to read it all

>>12257732
>you don't get high fashion
>you're a pretentious faggot

repeat 50 times

>>12257732
>OP is literally the only person talking about fashion
>Retards derail thread by arguing about nothing
>Handful of shitposters drop by and shitpost
>OP is still the only one who posted anything about fashion
>fa is kill

>>12257732
>let's discuss fashion
>I hate it when fuccbois wear designer shit for status
>you shouldn't
>I should
>you shouldn't
>I should
>you shouldn't
>I should
>you shouldn't
>I should
>you shouldn't
>I should
>you shouldn't
>I should
>you shouldn't
>I should
I myself can't say I hate it, I just find it funny. I laugh at how they think they're deep, fashionable people while they're just signaling to everyone the exact opposite, but why would I hate them? Let them do their thing, it's unavoidable anyway. Maybe they'll learn, maybe they won't.
As for the guy who claims everything is subjective and there is no such thing as objectively good taste - while I agree in principle, in a social context fashion is used to show more or less who you are, so if you're obviously just buying clothes for status you're signalling your shallowness to the world.
You can argue if this can be called bad taste or not, but that is just semantics at this point.

>>12258059
> that is just semantics at this point.
Maybe you oughta not even comment on the discussion when you are this fucking dumb m8

>>12258062
>Look, I'm shallow and less knowledgable than I think
vs
>Look, I have bad taste
How is it not semantics? Unless you guys are literally arguing metaphysics and not fashion, in which case - good luck.

>>12258072
You tried to dismiss the entire discussion on that it was 'semantics' when semantics was one of the main things discussed for fucks sake.
SEMANTICS doesn't mean irrelevant, how you can not follow that little of what the guys discussed is beyond me

>>12258072
>Look, I'm shallow and less knowledgable than I think
>vs
>Look, I have bad taste
And that wasn't even what the discussion was about, you just proved yourself even more dumb
Cool that you dropped in and proved your superiority to everyone tho with your 'semantics'

>>12258092
To be fair I didn't make it until the end of the discussion. All I saw was two guys stating the same opinions over and over again with slightly different wording, maybe it got better at the end.
And semantics does basically mean irrelevant since you're just arguing about language at this point, when it's clear you both just attribute different meanings to the same word.
Seems to me like just another case of a post-modernist trying to force his beliefs into everything honestly.

>>12258111
>different meanings to the same word
Again that wasn't at all what the discussion was about in short
>I hate people for wearing x
>that makes you elitist
>No, but you see my view is more noble than anyone else's because it's mine and I'm better than others
>so elitist
>No, you see..
etc.
Semantics came in to play because the guy started to use 'taste' and 'refinement' on the subject to justify his views, which are meaningless words unless you define them (semantics) and you can't in objective way, hence his point was moot.

>>12255506
OP confirmed for stupid faggot.

>begin with positioning himself above me
>"objectively"
>gives personal opinion
>plays psychology card

Stick to reading vogue m8

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thoughts on this season's off-white show?
i know this board doesn't discuss o-w often and when you guys do you dismiss it as streetwear trash but it's getting better imo
Virgil seems to be moving away from the diagonal lines meme while keeping the brand's signature, easily recognizable edgy prints and designs
it's cool to see the brand go from literally screenprinted champion hoodies, tees and shorts with lines on the arms and "WHITE" on the back to a collection of pieces that are actually presentable in a show
the show itself was really good as well, if you don't like his clothes you have to at least admit Virgil is absolutely amazing at presentation
i mean it's not quite there yet but i'm honestly excited to see where off-white goes from here
pic related is probably my favorite look minus the cap, the black overcoat with the arrows and "WATER?" on the back was probably my favorite piece altogether

>>12258667
this is his first solid menswear collection
his last 2 (arguably 3) women's collections have been really great

he can't go away from the trash streetwear because that's what funds it

his early stuff+association with kanye will always leave him blackballed, especially with the edgy kids on here who just so happen to have this immense, godly knowledge of fashion

>>12258667
not sure why he bothers with women's clothing, never seen any females lust after off white clothing