slowdown of fashion discussion

I mean, fast fashion isn't really all that bad for basics. If you don't mind replacing them every once in a while its not a big deal

>>11251140
people moved on and were replaced by teenage kids who can't really afford to get into higher end designers so "fashion" has become more streetwear centric

Instagram.

I think people are getting bored. Everything is the same tricky ricky shit that it's been for the past 4 years. There have been a few spates with techwear and stuff, but people are also broke as shit so they can't by arconym or whatever, which also kills their interest.

Things like palewave and normcore are nothing. They're just regular clothes. Who the fuck is going to get excited about that?

Smart people left after they've gathered enough information

I'm one of the dumb ones who can't seem to stop browsing this stupid board

>>11251144
>fast fashion isn't really all that bad for basics
>If you don't mind replacing them every once in a while

this is the problem with fast fashion
it's disposable
it's bad for the environment

the business model we've all gotten accustomed to because of fast fashion has ruined high fashion
consumers expect a lot from houses now, and they want it immediately
yeah that dress from nyfw was cool in september when it was debuted, but it won't be in stores for a year, so why not just buy the knockoff that's in zara for $80 instead of that $850 original?

it's disgusting what fast fashion has done to the industry

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idunno but it is the same for all forums, of ALL interests, they are all declining,

i guess people dont feel like discussing their interests anymore

>>11251140
Every single person I've met into high fashion only talks about it within their own social circles. They pretty much only have snapchat and instagram, and all their info comes from actually going to fashion shows and parties. I think forums in general are dying.

Anyway get read for a godawful summer here; I suspect it's going to be the worst one yet.

>>11251419
kek climate change is gonna be making some places uninhabitable soon no joke

>>11251140
Instagram basically killed all the forums. People would rather grow their epeen then talk about the merits of their clothing.

>>11251365
>Things like palewave and normcore are nothing. They're just regular clothes.

This. Once you understand the aesthetic there is no need for discussion about item X or Y. Neither of the aesthetics are about having the best brands or status, just about a "message". No one needs forums for it anymore.

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>>11251427
lol u dont even get what summer means, now thats what i call summer

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>>11251454
so youre saying we 'used' to need em?

we never really needed them right, so thats not the reason

I like talking and building up relationships with other posters online. Making a board culture. instagram is not good for that. wish there was an alternative

>>11251140
I was really into all that designer shit a few years ago but was still in school and didn't have the money.

Now i am rolling in the shekels but don't really care about expensive clothing. I honestly just want comfy clothing that looks nice and is a little more exclusive or unique that most people don't have.

>>11251463
I mean if you're all on the, say, SLP-hypetrain you could always have endless discussions about does X fit, does Y fits me better, should one get thinner, should one get bigger, should one change their haircut, should one shorten their pants etc.
Same with f example hipster style that was the latest hype not long ago and people getting off to the 20s and 50s.
Normcore is basically look so normal that you look special. Pick whatever fits your body, or go even harder and pick stuff that intentionally don't fit you. Bonus points if it looks 90s and has some extraordinarily unextraordinary logo stamped on it. Not much to talk about.
"Older" styles were simply not as straight-forward, I guess.

>>11251482
Agreed, but it's obv going to be mocked and compared to MFA. Fuck this boards culture.

I used to browse /fa/ religiously like two years ago and stopped and im so glad I did. I can tell you all now that the reason its been dying for the last 3 years is because like 45% of the community are so basic that they wouldnt stand out at a primark sale and the other 45% are these fucking autists who think that theres some kindof formula for dressing well. The decent 10% of posters who know how to look alright and wear their clothes instead of making the clothes look like theyre wearing them get completely buried under all the posts of the armies or tryhard retards that have infested this place. My fondness for /fa/ faded with my insecurity and i think that that makes quite a statement for the majority of the /fa/ community.

>>11251558
>the reason
Another one is that the majority of the posters are teenagers/adolescents with little knowledge. They won't be able to write a paragraph to answer the question what fashion is. I think that the lack of responsibility, that is caused by anonymity, has a influence on their posting, their behavior too. Perhaps it enhances delinquent behavior. They surely behave themselves differently behind a computer. They wouldn't be that way when they are in public.

There have been many threads about what the problems are that cause the current situation of /fa/. Yes, changing the sticky or direct communication with the moderation would help, but the problem lies within the posters and I don't know the solution for that.

You could leave, but is that the right answer?

>>11251648
Good points

I think another problem is the line between discussion on fashion and the pure pursuit of self gratification has been thrown way too far off. Everytime i come back here to have a look theres more and more kids dressed like shit trying to boost their confidence. This place used to be cut throat and it set it apart from places like mfa but the users for the most part have grown soft and give compliments to the ugliest most basic fits. Those with decent taste stood idly by while those with shit taste coming here to get their asses kissed shat all over the board.

>>11251140
i've browsed /fa/ for like 6 or 7 years on and off. it was never really any better than it is now.

anyone remember the stupid tinfoil rick image dumps that were somehow supposed to be "fashion discussion" that shit was fucked.

id on grey shirt on the right?

>>11251668
this. waywt are always fucking abysmal now yet people still get compliments when they looks worse than the average caretags poster.

>>11251365
stop following stupid /fa/ internet memes and start following designer fashion
theres more to it that just rick owens raf simons

>>11251365
if your knowledge on fashion ends at acronym/rick/techwear you're probably part of the problem

>>11252434
and if you dont dress like you covered yourself in glue and ran blindfolded through Value Village the only replies you get are "hahahHa reddit meme bait hahaha meme"

>>11251376
this is just normal attrition. why aren't the users being replenished at the same rate? clearly they were at some point.

>>11251365
but why then hasn't what we discuss changed? why isn't there a new rick owens?

>>11251414
>>11251347
>>11251419
>>11251440
i submit my thesis: the forum has become effectively commercialized. discussion increasingly takes place these days on pinterest, instagram, tumblr. sites that promote illiteracy and speech control (for marketing purposes mostly).

>>11251459
i think he was making a joke senpai

>>11251541
i think it's possible to have a friendlier forum culture than 4chan without the level of sugarcoating, newfaggotry, and circlejerking that goes on on mfa. actually i think pretty much every phpbb or vbulletin fits this description. (the newfaggotry is a pretty big problem here actually, a lot of people don't know the basics of the basics and it's impossible to effectively filter their stupidity so the good stuff gets buried.)

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>>11251401
>it's disgusting what fast fashion has done to the industry
Stop misplacing the blame.

The problem was blurring the distinction between streetwear and high fashion. You can blame tricky rick, raf, undercover, post-2006 MMM/helmut lang, CDG Play, Y-3 etc. Diffusion lines, re-releasing the same commercially popular pieces and collabs with street brands - and all the uninitiated psuedo-fashionistas who buy into them without any understanding or interest in the art behind it.

High fashion died when fuckboys clawed their way onto the stage.

>>11252690
> i submit my thesis: the forum has become effectively commercialized
Agreed, but I'd say "gentrified" is more accurate

>>11252735
lol you're an idiot

blurring the line was a way to make designer clothing more accessible
there's a reason why these 14 year old asap rocky fans can look at photos of raf collections, because they're styled in a way that is easy to wear/recognizable

yes, this high end streetwear has brought a lot of "attention" to fashion, but the fact that valentino can show in october for the dresses to be on the floor the following year, only for forever 21 to knock off the print and put it on cheaply made dresses that will be in store by november has completely fucked up the fashion cycle

diffusion lines have always been a part of the industry, because companies need to make money
it's also necessary when having a business because of the simple concept of having the correct price point for your market
there's a reason why the plain tees alexander wang sells is labeled T by Alexander Wang rather than having the regular Alexander Wang, the clients from the mainline do not want to be associated with those that can only afford the basic clothing

>High fashion died when fuckboys clawed their way onto the stage.

i know there's a huge pretentious culture behind high fashion, one that i absolutely love, but jesus christ you sound as much of a bitch as ian connor does when he rants about raf

>>11252743
lol that doesnt make sense. you just wanted to use the word gentrification or what?

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>>11252770
No, I think it's a accurate description of web 2.0 in general. Subsumption of productive communities, i.e. having them be resold to second wave yuppies for a psuedo-creative commercialized 'prosumption', is an essential element of gentrification and essentially the conversion from the organic 'underground' freedom of mailing lists, BBS/imageboard forums, personal sites etc. to the commercial, sanitized psuedo-communities of web 2.0 forums: reddit, tumblr, twitter, facebook, etc.

>>11251140
I used to go to Bapetalk then Bapetalk2 about 6 or so years ago and last I checked those forums were straight up dead.

The whole thing is part of the "bowling alone" future of society I think

>>11252766
>yes, this high end streetwear has brought a lot of "attention" to fashion, but the fact that valentino can show in october for the dresses to be on the floor the following year, only for forever 21 to knock off the print and put it on cheaply made dresses that will be in store by november has completely fucked up the fashion cycle

this has been happening for so long that I can't really see how it's relevant to the main conversation in this thread. sounds like you're just ranting.

>>11252828
>The whole thing is part of the "bowling alone" future of society I think
What do you mean?

>>11252816
thanks for clarifying; makes more sense now

>>11252843
It's from a book titled "Bowling Alone: America's Decline in Social Capital"

Basically it was talking about how people don't really do things in groups anymore that require active participation. Many things like church groups, Boy Scouts, Masonic Lodges, and bowling clubs (book title) have had a sharp decline in membership and people are t interacting together very much anymore. This is from 2000 when the Internet was still pretty new, so now things are a lot worse

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>>11252816
You're batshit insane if you believe that conspiracy is happening under Hiroyuki Admin atm. 4chan is getting more popular thats all, but it has not been a secret club for a decade now. This shit always happened I have lurked /fa/ since late 2009, saw how Knoch (Rudi), Tripsk (Alexia), /fa/scist faggot (Marcus), and a bunch of others got bored of /fa/ & left. It just happens.

Personally I like /fa/ and the styles it has going on atm, this day has been terrible through too much troll threads. Just ignore what you don't like and report anything that breaks the rules, it works super slowly but the bans happen.

Also that copy-pasta in your image of that little girl is cute, hilarious and cringy at the same time but she is just a Gaia Online pre-teen. Can't blame her just look at her art. I wish I still got hyped like she does.

>>11252905

>the bans happen

you sound like you don't know how computers and the internet work

it takes two words of code in a command line to get around a "ban"

>>11252816

you're talking about completely new communities being created and older ones being abandoned. this is the opposite of gentrification to me. something like "white flight" would be a better analogy if we are keeping with real estate... but honestly the idea of real estate doesn't really apply to the internet.

>reddit, tumblr, twitter, facebook, etc.

a few things about these. your post almost makes these seem like corporate inventions or something. these all started off super small and grew organically because each one offers something that wasn't offered previously through stuff you mentioned like forums, personal sites, etc... and as far as I know reddit is really struggling to make any money. you act like its some well oiled commercialized machine when they rely heavily on members buying each other "gold" to stay afloat.

>>11252923
Obviously man but mods check reports very slowly. cant blame them the team is small and they don't get paid.

>>11252940

what i'm saying is that it wouldn't matter if they checked reports at the speed of light when a ban is so easily defeatable.

if your favorite thing to do was shitpost on the fashion forum of an american channel ripoff website, would you stop because you got banned? or would you just reconfigure your IP in all of 2 seconds and go back to doing what you love?

where's the solvency? nothing is actually solved.

>>11251558
Where do you go if you actually want to learn? I have a genuine interest but I'm starting to feel like this is just something where you have an eye or you dont. I think I've been semi interested in this kind of clothing for 1-2 years and have learned next to nothing. Where do you go if you actually want to educate yourself beyond what is trending.

I'll be honest that I'm not really THAT interested, there are many things in my life far more important than fashion but I would still like to be able to dress well. I feel like I've unfortunately crossed a line where I don't want to dress in basic clothing but I lack the knowledge to actually dress myself well because /fa/ is absolutely abysmal for education and all other websites I know of cater to styles I am not fond of.

>>11252940
mods on other boards act fast though. a good example is /vg/. they'll delete entire threads that are off topic and delete porn within minutes.
mods do get paid, its just the janitors that dont.
janitors cant ban or delete anything. they just go over the reports and submit the worthy ones to the mods.

>>11252956
are you me? this is my exact situation and it sucks.

>>11252959
You're the one who thinks here Imma reply to you. True, but are you sure they get paid? Janitors can delete any post just like you can your own posts, I'm pretty sure about that.

/fa/ is low priority for the mods to care as much as the other boards. Reporting & Ignoring is the best tools we have in /fa/.

>>11252973
Is /fa/ the best board to post cp? brb, I'm telling /b/. maybe if we bring illegal shit here the mods will care

>>11252905
Marcus got a real job and used to come back time to time knoch found his popularity off-putting because he couldn't get any criticism also alekzia still browses drop name

>>11252983

I think anything that gets reported gets attention pretty quickly, no? maybe the issue with moderation or lack thereof has more to do with community members not reporting stuff?

Internet fashion forums died with Instagram and then because people like birthday went to the forums designed to be a refuge for the people who still wanted to talk about clothes and effectively ruined them because birthday and users like birthday have only the most rudimentary knowledge about fashion and can't add any insight into a discussion

>>11253008
No, sometimes people post porn in this board. I'm sure people report it, I try to report it at least but sometimes even scat porn stays for days.

>>11253005
Thats true Alexia still lurks I have seen her in some WAYWTs but I always thought it was a troll reposting from her tumblr. And lol not going to do that.

>>11253008
lol no it takes a while.

>>11252766
so what do u propose? pass patent reform, keep dreaming we live in a democracy will never happen more likely to loosen the laws if anything get informed talking to a japanese neckbeard forum is useless

>>11252766
the delayed fashion cycle is the problem, learn how to 2016

>>11253029
what's her tumblr? i want to see her rick fits

>>11253039
http://alekzia.tumblr.com/

>>11253037
i didn't want to be the one who posted but i'm glad someone else did.
i totally agree. if people want instant gratification why wont designers give it to them? that's why fast fashion is great. it's instant and affordable. although it's taken a giant shit on resources and greatly contributes to pollution. they buy now mentality is stronger.
i don't think designers have to sacrifice their art . it all boils down to exclusivity and the associations made with your brand/name. but does that really even matter anymore with the hugeass bloggers wearing designer culture and rich chinks decked out in designer stuff? designer stuff doesn't even phase me anymore desu.

>>11253047
>2016
>tripsk still dresses like shit
some things never change

>>11253057
I like it.

>>11253068
killy, i like you and the shit you post but this kind of thing makes me have some doubts.

>>11251140
What´s that dark jedi fashion?

>>11253086
it's 2009 /fa/

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i don't know what happened but i hate it, i just want to discuss fashion with people on the internet because i have no friends. here where there's no barrier to entry it makes it increasingly difficult to do that. any attempts at meaningful conversation about fashion are interrupted by "newfags" who don't know what they're talking about.

idk man. it makes me upset to think about, i wish there were a place where things were actually good :(

>>11251140
THE ONES KILLING FASHION ARE FAT CHINKS COVERED IN PIMPLES WITH DADDYS VISA WEARING SLP

>>11253079
I like to be positive in a board that is currently going through so much negativity. Especially if its the board I have browsed the most.

>>11253113
No, that kind of people have always existed and nobody cares. Niggers ruined fashion, they started buying designer pieces instead of their usual nigger shit, then hypebeast wiggers started copying them.

>>11253049
caring about the environment isn't /fa, who cares if we ruin the earth faster well b gone anyways

>>11253118
the asians do follow the nigs tho, i see them wearing most yeezys, off-white, nmd etc pure hype

>>11253119
Carign about the environment is /fa/, people who think like you are boring. Obviously the care about the environment shouldn't rule your life but there's no point on causing unnecessary problems.

>>11253126
Asians buy those brands because they're expensive and they want to dress like poor people, they just like the brands, not the style. Wiggers follow the style.

>>11253013
translation: birthday actually looks good and all the ugly faggots with 3,000 posts and no fits gets dissuaded to post because for all their fashion "knowledge" they can't ever look good

>>11253116
>currently

w e w

How to make /fa/ great again

ctrl+c: /^Killy$/
ctrl+v into your filters

Its a small step, but one we can all take.

>>11252956
same, would love a reply to this

>>11252816
Agreed.

It's much safer and more monetizeable for the user's contribution to a platform to be a like or a retweet and not a long text post.

Instagram allows for a pic to spread extremely quickly, but discourages serious discussion. Perfect for an IG celeb or a brand to disseminate its message without too much risk of anyone expressing an opinion about it.

>>11253137
he looks decent in a crowd of absolute trash on waywt, he doesn't offer anything more than that.

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>>11253160
Haha well I gotta admit the gothninja vs dadcore flamewars of 2012 were worse. Its more chill today, the problems come mostly from crossboarders baiting/taunting/looking to start flames it seems.

>>11253169
If that is going to make you happy do it anon don't hesitate. I never take anything personal.

>>11253130
being jaded is so /fa r u crazy

/pol/ ruined effay

>>11253277
The milspec threads are aight

>>11253283
That has nothing to do with /pol/

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>>11253277
The things they post are ban-able offenses. Its a global rule to keep /pol/ in /pol/. You should report them, mods want the kind anons that go political everywhere banned.

>>11253277
how? because someone said cuckcore in 1/1000 threads? stop projecting blame u ate ur own the second u realized the pleb who felt like they owned the board

>>11253289
They encourage military threads =(

>>11253320
Yeah, but military inspo can be non-political.

>>11253313
Remember the guy who made like twenty cumskin threads

>>11253313
When a thread about Asian fashion gets derailed into /pol/ topics such as why Asians are a devilish temptress for the white "Aryan" male and shit, how Asians or blacks are inferior because x or y. That's where its reportable.

If /pol/ didn't shitpost their opinions absolutely everywhere in 4chan the global and the PSA would have never existed. So report it. Even threads racist towards whites or a sexuality are "keep /pol/ in /pol/". Any stupid /pol/ shit is against the rules.

>>11253338
drop name

>>11253313
maga hat threads. That's plain shitposting.

>>11253348
Don't listen to this faggot, I like you Killy.

Shitposting picures like that "here come dat boi!!!!!!" frog one are killing /fa/ too. They contribute nothing to discussions and derail threads.

>>11253367
Report report report
It helps, man
They do delete threads but only if they're reported

>>11253334
jesus i stand corrected that was crazy

>>11253367
they are derailing the already shitty b8 threads from crossposters m8

>>11253338
honestly i been in here since 2009 the racism has actually toned down a lot, i find to this day in those formative years, honestly it really made me look down on any minority trying to be /fa to this day

>>11253358
I appreciate the gesture but don't defend me. I know how to ignore perfectly as I said >>11252905
you caring worries me, don't waste time, the internet is not meant to be taken seriously.. thanks but please there is no need.

>>11253353
>>11253367
That's reportable too. I cant say it enough report what is reportable, ignore what you don't like and if you don't want to bump a thread enter "sage" in the options field (previously e-mail field).

>>11253379
Derailing but still bumping, people should just ignore shit threads. Oh, and I've seen that kind of shitposting in decent threads too.

>>11253385
I don't care about racism but it's not ok to shitpost.

>>11253400
i find that those threads with the derailing images tend to not provoke discussion at all and completely destroy shitposting threads, instead of having little insecure kiddys replying to them all upset and triggered, which is what usually happens when they dont have those images
in turn this generally tends to attract the op to create more shitposting threads to get reactions out of people because it worked last time
compare the /fit/ shitposting threads on /fa/ where they call everyone a dyel and twink and kept coming back because they got reactions, to something like >>11242893

>>11253313
It's far more than 1/1000. Try to talk about any of the following without /pol/ shitposting:

>doc martens
>thick-rimmed or half-rimmed glasses (or any glasses that aren't wire frames, for that matter)
>common projects
>dyed hair
>any race-related fashion (e.g. Asian fashion, or black fashion)

>>11253411
all shit tier but cp

>>11253411
but doc martens are shit! and dyed hair looks like shit most of the time!

>>11253385

I think the more recent "racism" has an agenda, which is why people take more issue with it. Stormfront did a really good job pushing 90s era militant/anternative far right narratives as counter-counter culture just when a new wave of users was looking for a way to stand apart from reddit. The rest just took its course.

On topic I really love this board, or used to when I browsed and posted more often. /fa/ has had some dank memes. I kinda just forgot to check it for almost a year and some change and the discussion here seems to be a lot more basic, which sucks. I can see why, some people move on leaving a larger portion of posters that have less experience. Kinda motivating to actually care more about posting here.

>>11253413
>>11253418
Some of them very well may be shit, but there's a difference between calling out the items for their aesthetic reasons and calling them out because shitposters claim that some specific group wears them.

>>11253423
people should discuss fashion on this board, not political issues, I don't care if they take inspo from hitler or racist people

>>11253407
nice point

>>11253095
When Nigo first sold BAPE, I thought the items were trash but the items I have seen recently are pretty okay AKA mostly clones of early 2000 items. I didn't really like his Human Made brand (or whatever it's called) when it first came out and I haven't checked it since then

I wish I got that BAPE history book or whatever it was when I saw it in the bookstore

>>11251140
Personally speaking, I don't browse or post on mamy fashion forums anymore because I feel rather settled with my style. I used to browse constantly and look for new ideas to build upon.

At this point in time, I know exactly how I like my clothes to fit, how I want my colors to match, textures to compliment eachother, and what items I want to buy. No need to browse often anymore.

>>11253529
do you help other people? I'm relatively new to fashion and I am still developing my own style but I help people with not so stupid questions, I like to ID clothing items so I help /fa/ggots with that.

>>11251401
>basics
I think the dude meant more for stuff like plain T-shirts. Or underwear, socks, etc. Basically stuff that plays a background role in the fit—so a dress isn't really a good example here.

>>11251558
>wear their clothes instead of making the clothes look like theyre wearing
Honestly, I don't have that skill, and that's the skill I'm most trying to learn. But how do you learn that? It seems kind of an obscure, yet important skill. There's no Wikihow page for that, you know? It's extremely important, if not THE most important thing to know when dressing well (especially if you give a shit about dressing well), but it's very hard to appropriately do. Is it a mentality? Is it ONLY a mentality? One person could wear Rick and make it look completely ridiculous/tryhard/anime (eg. ME) and another could take the same piece and work it perfectly well and fashionable. How do you do it? I have no idea myself. If someone here has any idea on how to do this I desperately want to hear your take on the subject.

Some people are saying that poor, uneducated teenagers are the blame; but it seems like we have a good deal of well thought out replies in this thread. So if there are at least a good half dozen of us just on /fa/ in this thread, there must be dozens more out there spread across various other forums. Is the problem with us then? Why aren't WE talking about clothes and letting forums either die off (styleforum) or get overrun with white noise (/fa)?
Or is the answer to consolidate the last minority of enthusiasts who prefer communicating with text than Instagram photos or "likes" into one large fashion forum to hold all the various styles?

Nice thread.

>>11253582

confidence + carefree + make it your own

confidence: act totally comfortable in what you're wearing. don't refer to it -- the same way that a normal, confident person does not refer to their clothing. don't walk around like you're the bees knees for wearing rick. but don't slink around in the shadows like you're ashamed to wear rick. just wear rick, or whatever designers you like.

carefree: don't baby your clothing. don't treat it like you're afraid to spill something on it. don't walk around like you're afraid to crease your shoes. live your life, free of cares about your clothes. if you walk around like
>b-but i m-might spill something on m-my yohji pants
100% guaranteed you won't be pulling off your outfit well

make it your own: don't just wear it exactly how you saw it in an inspo pic. that may be a starting point, but you have to style it in other ways that speak to who you are. you will never wear something in a way that pleases everyone; someone out there will always hate what you're wearing no matter what. therefore, the only person you should dress for is yourself. take a chance and style something Your_Way even if you feel that other people won't "get it" or appreciate it. sometimes it will work out and you'll achieve your concept and feel good. sometimes you will fail and it will look stupid. but at least you're trying to be yourself

>>11252956
Thirded.

I have a strong feeling a large portion of this board is on the same board.

>>11253538
Every so often, yes. Thats the #1 thing I do here. I dont like to give my opinion on things I don't know 100% though. I prefer to give solid advice when I can.

Keep doing what you're doing though. It helps the board environment.

>>11253549
i know what he was saying

>>11252839
i was ranting, specifically towards that one post

>>11253034
>patent reform
no
something has to change the consumer's mind that it's okay to buy a $7 shirt and throw it away and buy another $7 shirt
that shirt was made, at the most, for $1.75, using practices that completely disregard the earth, and the consumer's disposable of said shirt does not help either

however, the same production methods are used for higher end clothing, it's at a smaller scale though, and it can also be changed
dyeing, for example, can be replaced with a new method which injects color into the strands rather than sitting in pools of water that will later get dumped

>>11253037
no
it's not possible to create a quality product without having a production schedule that allows for it
all of these brands that are announcing their "revolutionary" new plan to release clothes when debuting them are going to take dramatic hits to their profits because it isn't a sustainable business model
you need to do a showing prior to release in order to get buyers to place orders and to know what to put under production

this also allows for time to incubate and be creative for designers
see: raf at dior
it's only going to get worse

>>11253049
> if people want instant gratification why wont designers give it to them?
again, not possible to give you a product that's "worth" $850 within 2 weeks
designers need time to be creative
you have no idea how exhausting it is to create an entire collection, to design it, to be inspired by it, it takes such a long time

why don't you try to think of 50+ outfits every 2 weeks that are completely different from each other

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>>11252933
>you're talking about completely new communities being created and older ones being abandoned. this is the opposite of gentrification
Hardly. Brooklyn gangs become integrated with artists looking for cheap studio rent, both get displaced by yuppies wanting to get in on their cool. All 3 represent different communities, still quintessential gentrification.

>your post almost makes these seem like corporate inventions
I don't believe they are, but their inherent structure limits, codifies and reroutes open-ended discussion down more narrow, controlled paths of communication - that they also present convenient monetization & thought policing is secondary (as this anon gives solid argument for >>11253180), beyond arguably being primarily responsible for their current prominence. You can't look at both a mailing list and subreddit and say it's not true the former is far more structurally organic and open-ended.

>>11252905
I didn't say anything about 4chan changing. I said the internet as a whole gentrified with a shift towards different forum structures.

Please stop posting killy. Everyone knows you're too new to even remember pre-hiroshima admin in any case.

>Just ignore what you don't like and report anything that breaks the rules, it works super slowly but the bans happen
Seriously please fuck off

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>>11253169
Filtering cancer enables cancer. Cancer is called that because it spreads when not addressed, newfags trying to assimilate misinterpret the cancer as good posting and imitate it, further perpuating it.

>>11253400
>Derailing but still bumping
The best alternative with sage was removed. If you can't kill a b8 thread, turning into a zombie thread is better than just ignoring it and letting it thrive.

Stop and try to understand its use. Dubposting had a purpose, sage had a purpose, chainpics have a purpose. Chesterton's Fence, newfags

>>11253367
Yo stfu that shit so hilarious

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So are you going to watch the Comet Halley /fa/?

>>11253610
>confidence + carefree + make it your own
But this could easily be said of a fedora neckbeard who has a very specific taste in his Sonic t-shirts and le treasured samurai katana folded a thousand times. So clearly this doesn't seem to be enough.

>>11254879

i think you just answered your own question. of course if you take
>confidence + carefree + make it your own
and apply it to utterly shit clothing, the result still isn't going to be amazing. however, you would still probably look better than if you were to wear those same shit clothes without carefree confidence.

if you apply it to nice clothes, it will enhance how you look in nice clothes.

>>11255054
>if you apply it to nice clothes, it will enhance how you look in nice clothes.
>implying fuccbois with more money than style don't exist
They're confident, carefree, and they certainly can be very specific in the good clothes they wear—but they still look shitty.

>>11253137
Birthday looks fine in the 4chan waywt anywhere else he looks like shit which would be fine but he can't keep his mouth shut, literally never experienced someone more self destructive

>>11251497
No, normcore is basically dress within the boundaries of a certain aesthetic 'code', that is based on a set of very skewed, often heavily 90's-inspired, about what constitutes "normality." either that or just pure pastiche ironic memery that is more focused on single, outstanding items (such as dadcaps with logos, for instance the photoshoot with the guy in the marlboro cap)

>>11255116

you're still not understanding my point.

if those same tasteless moneybois wore the same outfits that they currently wear, but they didn't have the carefree confidence, they'd look even worse.

you're arguing against something that's sort of similar to what i'm saying, but you're not arguing against what i'm actually saying.

>>11255116
confidence+shitty outfit>perfectly dressed sperg

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>>11253047
:^)

>>11255786
did she get a nose job?

>>11255791
I don't know. I like her boobs though.

>>11252956

The most important thing imo is self-awareness as you experiment with various fits and styles.

This might be a long read, but bear with me.

1) Dressing well is relatively easy to do. There are basic principles you should (SHOULD) adhere to. For example, color compatibility, texture compatibility, contours, etc. These principles are learn-able and how well they're applied is observed in every person's outfit.

2) You need self-awareness for this next part. Manipulate these principles to match your own personality and body type. IMO, the biggest reason people fail at dressing well is because they don't understand that they cannot pull off certain looks and the traits that these looks imply. People who are not self-aware look at other people's fits and think, "Pfft, I can pull that off too", without realizing that they don't have the proportions and features necessary to. For example, a short, stubby male tries to wear some all-black goth ninja fit that is intended for a leaner, lankier physique. A great case in point is the evolution of Eminem's personal style. Look at what he wore back in 1999. Look at what he wears now.

3) Don't take other's advice dogmatically. Essentially, someone else's advice is their own abstraction of what's aesthetically pleasing and may or may not suit your own style. New trends appear when someone pulls off something that is, for the most part, in line with basic principles but pushes the envelope ever so slightly. If you don't want to look like the run of the mill meme, you have to know when to draw the line regarding following in others' outfits.

4) Cost does not equal aesthetics. Bape.

Those are most of the ideas I can type out off the top of my head, may have some more later on.

Also, get yourself a tailor who understands what you're trying to go for and doesn't suck dick. If you lack an eye for these things, surely he'll set you straight with the stuff you bring in.

>>11255527
Well, you're not really getting my point. What you are providing, at best, is what you are claiming to be a necessary condition to "wear clothes"—but it is clearly far from being also a sufficient condition.

Come on guys we need this thread

I can't speak for everybody obviously but in my opinion the recent surge of social media and internet culture in general is a big reason. There's no more sub-cultures anymore, people can just find an aesthetic they think is cool with no knowledge or regards to the history and people behind it, cannabilize it and then discard it immediately all for a few internet likes. Look at shit like health goth, fear of god, vetements, neo streetwear or the whole rappers and normies wearing skinny jeans with rips etc. These are the same people who would completely shit on you for doing that only a few years prior. Why would I want to discuss things with or give inspiration to people who potentially have no interest in the clothes, the art or the self expression of fashion? Dressing cool or different ironically, is in vogue right now, once or rather if it stops being profitable to corporations and people stop being disingenuous I'm sure it'll all come back around full circle until the next thing takes its place.

>>11257531
You're not totally wrong about how fast and easy it's getting, but people have been appropriating and commercializing subcultures for decades. To say that subcultures don't exist anymore is blatantly false, but I do get what you mean by it. You can participate in subcultures on a surface level by just buying or consuming aspects of them without having to actually be a part of anything.

>>11251140
it's not that fashion died, everything moved mobile/instagram

>>11252956
>>11253582
>>11252963
>>11253175
>>11253612
I know this definitely isnt the answer you want to hear but its all trial and error and learning from mistakes. Ive learned so much about what works and doesnt work for me solely from seeing my reflection on cars and in shop windows and realising i look like a tit. From there you work on building up a wardrobe that you think you can work and if youre trying to decide on a fit the best thing to do is walk around outside in it because honestly after about 20 minutes youll know in your gut weather or not it looks good or bad. Its nearly not even about how you look but more about how you feel. Your clothes should feel like a second skin that you dont have to think about when youre out unless youre chuffed with what youre wearing. theres no godly pieces of clothing that you can buy to make you look good or any infographics thatll immediately make you into a cool dude. You can dress normally but still make it fashionable with pieces that suit you personally that you like wearing. Thats another thing too you really have to have a fondness for what youre wearing. If you go out and buy a coat and love wearing it youll kindof look good in it because youll look so comfotable and satisfied in what youre wearing. Improving your style is about loving your clothes, not hating yourself anons!

>>11259227
Just curious—how long did this process take to where you actually started to consider yourself fashionable? I feel like every skill takes at least a year or two of dedicated work to become competent at it at some sort of base level.

>>11259031
>>11259031
but its all just shitty selfies with filters on it. there is no discussion. or is there? i cant seem to find any on insta

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>>11260139
see:
>>11259437

Discussing fashion is for people involved deeply in the medium. Every major forum, including /fa/, just gets drowned about either manchildren trying to learn to dress 'like an adult' or fuckboys trying to buy their way into hyped streetwear "designer". Anyone who knows their shit can barely have a discussion except it small, quiet corners late at night between one or two other posters.

>>11260139
My theory is that the older generation 26+ who were into clothes and populated places like SZ and Styleforum have grown out of fashion as an interest. They have their set style and just stick with it, like most men do and which is why you can see guys in their 40's and 50's dressing in styles from decades ago. They are happy with their look and don't change so there is nothing much to say or express.
The younger generation is not interested in textual discussion as other people have noted. They prefer selfies on instagram and collating mood boards on tumblr. So if you want to remain social online in a fashion context you need to give up text and become more visual. Text is dead now due to technological preferences of the younger groups that are relevant and energetic when it comes to clothing.

>>11260136
Stop using your mind so much anon. Its all about your gut. It might take weeks it might take months. Stop stressing about it and itll eventually come to you

>>11260594
>Text is dead now
>On a site where people mainly communicate through text

>>11253385
>the racism has actually toned down a lot

I think it has actually picked up this year much more frequent than in a long time. Most black kids who pop up here get shoo'd off, god help you if you're brown.

Because honestly it's getting tiresome and isn't worth the effort. You can't post about any style or brand, designer, or anything without getting memed to death or spammed by people who don't like that certain thing.

Also it's not just about the clothes and how you wear them anymore. It seems everyone's trying to shoehorn their political/social beliefs into threads for no reason

If I want to look at pictures it's much easier to just search a tag on Instagram or something. I still think this place is the best place to talk about fashion and post fits because it's anonymous so if you fuck up who cares.

>>11263473
Isnt that the point? The OP was asking why fashion discussion on /fa/ and other fashion forums was declining.
fashion discussion is dying; /fa/, SF, SZ, SuFu are dying; these websites are text based

>>11264527
/fa/ is larger than ever before. Do you even know how slow this board used to move in 2009-10?

dont mention /fa/. All the other forums yes, its all right.