prep/ivy/trad/whatever

High athletic socks are def making a comeback in the trad scene imo. Been rocking them with my off white shorts and grey 993s lately

RIP Free&Easy, the premier ivy/trad magazine
Brand new magazine from the same staff, Hail Mary, comes it in a few days
Can't wait to see it

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>>11222305
>tfw went to private school and New England LAC
>dressing this way just comes naturally
Kinda curious why y'all want to dress this way. It's sort of a calling card of a specific segment of society. Nothing wrong with it, per se, but I guess I don't see the appeal if you don't dress this way already.

>>11223583
It's just a different style. Looks a lot more effortless than dandy, tech, streetwear, workwear, etc

>>11223583
I don't go to ivy but I appreciate old fashioned things. Call me fedora lord or whatever. It's likely to make the leftists mad.

>>11223765
I wish Jack Donaghy got more respect in these ivy threads he's the only tv character holding it down nowadays

I'm no stranger to the art of japery. At Princeton, I was in a secret society. I shouldn't tell you this, but one time, we snuck up to Dartmouth, put their mascot in a box, and sent it to Mexico City. We didn't know until the next day that it was an actual Indian. He didn't speak a word of English. Like all Dartmouth men. - Jack

>>11223583
I think that traditionally preppy clothing is different and in my opinion better than modern preppy/frat clothes

>>11222305
People for the most part still dress like this.

However, 'trousers' are rarely worn which destroys the look.

It's ether slim fit jeans or weird/bad fabric camel colored chinos.

Ruins outfits imo

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what are some preppy jackets/coats/overwear? I already have pic related and thigh long pea coat but I feel like i'm missing something

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I remember seeing a photo in one of these threads of a guy wearing a Patagonia fleece vest and a button down Oxford. Cane someone help me out and repost?

>>11225388
Where'd you get the coat?

>>11225490
vans

emergency bump

where to cop high waisted trousers?

>>11226912
J. Press trousers are pretty damn high.

already have some light tan chinos, what colour should i buy next?

>>11228704
Navy, grey, darker grey, stone (light cream), white. Look for different texture and fabric as well.

>>11223583
Well my grandpa dresses this way and it pisses off lefties so that's all the reasons I need

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Polo shirts and cargo shorts - the preppie standard since the late 80's.

>>11223765
>>11228937
I don't see what's being accomplished by pulling the "leftists get mad at preppy styles" memecard because my political views are mostly that way and I dress like this as well.

>>11228965
I can deal with the cargo shorts and polos/button downs (maybe even the shitty quiffs) but Sperrys are cancer to me.

>not being a preppy strasserist

>>11223765
>Yale, Harvard, et al,
>not lefty

top kek

>>11228991
You don't live around California liberals

>>11223583
I don't see what's all that weird about wearing an oxford, khakis, and a sweater. It's not like I'm going around in patchwork madras every day

>>11228991
>Sperrys are cancer
100% agreed.

>>11230303
It's not weird to wear what you described, but these threads tend to include a lot of more aggressive styles.

>>11230045
The actual rich kids who these styles come from aren't leftists. Don't fall for the virtue-signalling.

>>11231321
True, there is some weird stuff posted here. I still enjoy it from a historical standpoint but the most aggressive stuff I'd wear are ribbon/motif belts or the occasional madras shirt in summer. I hope there aren't a bunch of guys at community colleges running around in patchwork madras sport coats, critter pants, and sockless loafers.

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>>11228991
>Acting under the name Student Totalitarians United for Prohibiting Ivy Duds, the coalition said it considers traditional American menswear a microaggression that alienates marginalized identities and reinforces white privilege.
>The group presented a list of demands to the deans of all eight Ivy League schools with a 48-hour deadline for their administrations to issue a ban on the following items: tweed sportcoats, khaki trousers, oxford-cloth buttondowns, penny loafers, argyle socks, Shetland sweaters, rep-striped ties, madras shorts and shirts, boat shoes, tweed caps, duffel coats, schoolboy scarves, duck boots, Ray-Bans, popovers, surcingle belts, critter pants, gold-buttoned blazers, and anything patchwork.
http://www.ivy-style.com/activists-seek-to-ban-ivy-league-look-from-college-campuses.html

>>11231964
This should be made into a steal the look guide.

>>11222305
>>11222305
where can I get trousers like this

>>11233751
With the high waist and slim legs? J. Press

>>11233757
i live in a rural canadian town
i need something more mall tier, i dont like buying clothes online

>>11233773
Buy some stone coloured chinos and get them hemmed by a tailor or your mum

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>>11231964
>links april fools article
>>11233773
better get used to it. you're not going to find anything like this in a rural canadian town.

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More pics please. I like this style a lot, I would like to do a woman's version but with menswear pieces-- does that make sense?

where to get preppy loafers?

>>11233899
Well women's preppy style is extremely androgynous so you're in luck

>>11233905
alden, bass, ll bean, brooks brothers

>>11233905
Alden tbĥ

>>11233905
Allen Edmonds is the most readily available, high quality option, but Bass for lower price and Alden for higher.

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w2c nice sweaters?

>>11234356
lol kjp

>>11222305
W2c good driving mocs?

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>>11234685
You don't travel by sea? Do you even /ivy/

>>11234685
Clarks has pretty good ones. A lot of people near me wear Cole Haans but they don't fit me well.

Allen Edmonds would be my #1 though.

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>>11234704
>Catholicism
>being Irish
>being a Democrat

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>>11234710
Who gives a shit they were super /fa/

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>>11234715
>polo shirt with sport coat

>>11234730
So if you're in a clubhouse that requires a jacket, then you're gonna go out to play another 27 holes, are you gonna change shirts, or wear a practical outfit

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>>11234730
why is that a bad thing?

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>>11234795
>collar outside of jacket

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>>11234799
you know you like it ;^)

>RL makes Olympic uniforms
>Shorts are too long

FUCKING NORMIES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>11222305
avant-garde prep

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>>11234715
HW is objectively the most effay president

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>>11234803
>>11234795
DEATH for kafirs and apostates who don the darted jackets and peaked lapels

BEHEAD those who wear black garments excluding leatherwear and knit ties outside of formal occasions

INSHALLAH we shall keep our shirt collars unlined and our shoulders unpadded

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>>11235026
Somebody once accused him of being a "Brooks Brothers republican." Bush got offended and held his jacket open to show the J. Press label.

The man is too frat to function.

>>11235031
Is that what isis is fighting for

>>11235036
literally all i want out of life is to be bush 41 circa like 1976 wearing 3/2 patch pocket blazers all day and doing dirty CIA shit all nite

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>>11235031
Takbir!

>>11235044
>tfw bought a blazer at J. Press but it's 2-button

I've made a huge mistake.

>>11235042
Ivy State of Ithaca and Southport

who has the prep essentials chart?

>>11235054
what kind? if it's something more formal that's fine. desu i like 2-button better for like grey herringbone or anything in a non-tweed windowpane

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would these look good with new balances

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>>11235160
>desu at the beginning of a sentence

My pants hem are about right below the ankles but some people insist that they're too short. I've seen even higher cut in vintage photos. What do

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>>11235087
Is this it?

>>11235259
Do whatever you feel like. IMO it's too easy for the hems to get dirty on pants that are long enough to break on some shoes.

>>11235260
Happen to know that brand of anorak there?

>>11235264
LL Bean

>>11235031
10/10 pic

>>11235265
Thanks mate

why do I feel and look so tryhard when I try to dress prep but everyone in these inspo pics looks so effortless? what am I missing?

>>11235622
A life of esteem and privilege? Constant posturing from your family to be confident and to carry the family name with pride? Money?

>>11235622
Confident. It'll feel natural eventually. It felt really awkward and tryhard when I first tucked in my shirt for a few weeks. Now it's a natural thing to do like wearing a t-shirt.

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>>11235260
Just went on eBay and copped this one for AU$65. Good feels. Yellow-anorak-raincoat. Do I get double prep points?

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>tfw lower admission standards for poor-performing minorities plus fairly tolerant admission for rampantly fraudulent Chinese and Indian applicants has forever tarnished the reputation of all Ivy League schools and most major businesses have already taken notice

Not to mention the kind of trash that passes as an Ivy League education even for relatively normal students.

>>11235684
goddamn that's sexy, good cop

>>11235807
Yeah but you couldn't reach the grapes anyway, you stupid fox.

I went to a top-20 school and live near Harvard and MIT where I interact with a lot of students. For all the talk about affirmative action and grade inflation, those kids are on another level with very few exceptions. Even with affirmative action the percentages of black and Hispanic students at those schools are significantly lower than their share of the general population, and you're delusional if you don't think the elite universities took mediocre students in exchange for donations back in the "glory days", which is the only way mediocre students, Chinese or otherwise, get in. The fact that the student body is like 40% Asian despite the admission committee's attempts to keep soft racial quotas should be evidence enough that they still value performance and hard work more than checking the diversity boxes.

As for "the kind of trash that passes for an Ivy League education," Harvard still had a first-year math sequence designed solely for the super-genius math prodigies who they recruit in greater numbers than any other university and put to work winning Putnam prizes year after year, considered the hardest class anywhere on earth. Their first year expository writing class is second to none and everyone I've talked to about it described it as life-changing, which is pretty nuts for a freshman English class taught by a bunch of different professors.

Anyway, the admissions standards and competition were objectively lower and family was a much bigger part of the equation back when all the pics in this thread were taken.

>>11236380
basically this

Some of the lesser Ivy schools are getting shittier but Harvard, Yale, and Princeton are doing just fine

what's the most preppy loafer style? tassels, no tassels?

>>11236854
Penny, horsebit if you know what's really good.

Tassels are lame.

>>11236380
>Anyway, the admissions standards and competition were objectively lower and family was a much bigger part of the equation back when all the pics in this thread were taken.

very true, but i dunno if the overall quality of education/students in the present day is really on the level you're describing

it's true that harvard has gotten a lot more selective over the last 30 years, but at the same time the basic fact that the internet exists has made it sort of laughable to say that it's the only place you can get that kind of education. classes like math 55 and up are distinguished as 'difficult' more by their pace than their content, and even then there are always a couple kids a year who skip them entirely, so in terms of sheer numbers it's not like there aren't plenty of kids at second and third tier schools who could handle the coursework

also i don't know who you talked to about expos 20, but although it was reasonably well-taught overall, when i was taking it everyone basically considered it a chore

it's a good school and everything but you've gotta keep in mind that literally every year since harvard was founded it was possible for a complete dipshit like myself to get in just by being from the greater new england area and being better than average at rowing

What are the best kind of socks for Tretorn Nylites (besides none, which is how I usually wear them)? Tried a couple different kinds and they all looks a bit off

w2c cricket/tennis sweaters besides RL or BB?

>>11236897
Well, I go to UCLA. Good school, not great. And there are tons of dumbshits here that got in from athletics. So that's just a thing at almost every uni.

Did you go to Harvard?

>>11236900
white

>>11236922
like athletic socks? or Wigwams?

>>11236897
I'm rowing for Harvard this fall :)

>>11236907
Smart Turnout, Ebay

>>11236935
You that asian guy from navyblazer?

>>11236944
No, I'm the white kid from Dallas.

>>11236917
yeah
>>11236935
grats dude

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>>11236897
Tufts alum here (pls no bully). All I know is that I can tell the difference between someone who went to a good private school and a state school alum after a few minutes of conversation a lot of the time. My friends who went to the flagship state schools readily admit that they aren't challenged and still hang out with the same people from high school.

I know most people at Tufts, and presumably Harvard, are just there to get a job in finance, tech or consulting, but that's at least a more interesting route than going back to work at your dad's used car dealership and marrying the first girl who gives you a handjob.

I agree that it's POSSIBLE to learn a lot on your own or with less-sharp classmates, but the structure, resources and competition I saw at college seemed to help and avoid a lot of wasted time, plus a lot of the most interesting people I've ever met. You'll certainly have thin odds of getting into the REAL academic work of original research without good advisors and lab or library resources that can't be found on the internet.

Maybe it's because I'm from an economically depressed part of the Bible Belt, but I look at Tufts as a bit of a fairy godmother as far as my personal development. It might be easier to take that stuff for granted if you're from New England and went to Choate or something, but for me it was a whole new world.

BTW, rowing at Harvard is rad as hell. Saw one of your teammates (looked like a lightweight) with a bangin' little Asian girl a couple of weeks ago and got a little nostalgic for my own college days. Some of those guys are savages though. I remember seeing one of them punching some girl at a Tufts frat party for no reason my freshman year.

>>11236995
>that's at least a more interesting route than going back to work at your dad's used car dealership and marrying the first girl who gives you a handjob.
This used to describe a highschool graduate. Why are these people in university?

>>11237004
College is the new high school diploma. A lot of parents pay into a fund for 18 years to essentially pre-pay their kid's tuition at those schools, so they might as well go.

>>11236995
>state school
reeeeee

>>11237017
To be fair there are shit-tier private schools that were normal schools and teachers colleges just a few decades ago that are worse than most big state schools.

what do you call the mix between normcore and prep that brands like Noah NYC do?

>>11223809
yeah, i don't see a lot of frat kids walking around in norwegian sweaters and barbour jackets.

i avoid summer prep clothes because the associations are inescapable, but in the winter it's easy to tell the two part, and the more traditional stuff is actually really warm and practical.

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>>11237023
>mfw my state school was a normal school

>>11237031
>not dressing like the biggest douche and rubbing it my out privilege in everyone's faces
Get a load of this nerd.

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>>11235164

>>11237031
Madras is good for summer, doesn't have that much of a frat connotation. Go for basically anything but boat shoes and no one will think you're a fratstar

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>>11237033
Run along, little roach. I've just revealed to you a very small part of the machine, but you'll never grasp the whole mechanism.

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>>11237111
>mfw hiding assets and attending for free so I can buy my way into grad school

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>>11237120
>"hiding"
I've already said too much. Not that you'll figure it out, roachie.

Just a pawn in my little game.

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>>11237139
Enjoy your student debt, normie

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>>11237159
Why would I go into debt? I'm a National Merit Scholar on top of being loaded.

You and I don't exist on the same plane.

>>11237178
So am I, normie. I am graduating at 20 with no debt, what do you have to show for yourself?

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>>11237188
fuck

>>11237197
>>11237188
>>11237178
>>11237159
>>11237139
>>11237120
>>11237111

>Autism

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>>11237202

>>11237202
>triggered by banter

>>11236380
>>11236380
The student body being "40% asian" [citation req'd] is no indication that Harvard values performance or that it's a highly selective High Achiever's Club. You're buying into stereotypes the same way Asian families who send their kids there buy into the prestige of Ivy league schools like Harvard. and it's not just better "performance" that's required to succeed but discipline (what employers look for primarily).

As for grade inflation, Profs are almost expected to give high grades, which appears to be fairly common.

>Anything less than an A- would result in endless emails, crying during ofce hours, or calls from parents. One student once cornered me and said: “I hope you’re happy you’ve destroyed my chance at Goldman and ruined my life.”

http://qz.com/#157579/confession-of-an-ivy-league-teaching-assistant-heres-why-i-inflated-grades/


> Thanks to American K-12’s relentless culture of assessment and testing, everything our students have done since the age of 5 has been graded—but almost all of those grades have been “exceptional,” so the exception is now the norm.

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/education/2014/05/why_professors_inflate_grades_because_their_jobs_depend_on_it.html

>University officials say they're worried that expansion would dilute the value of their brands, but the message of grade inflation is that the brands have become excessively precious.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/12/05/harvard_grade_inflation_the_real_problem_is_admissions.html

>>11235249
you know that 4chin automatically turns tb.h into desu, right? you fucking weeb

>tfw gonna go last year on the country's finest boarding school
>can't wear my sick fits anymore

shit sucks, I have to go over to prep

>>11237297
Discipline and performance aren't mutually exclusive, smart guy. In fact they usually go hand in hand.

The grade inflation at those schools makes perfect sense when you realize that the people doing the hiring at firms like Goldman can get in trouble if they hire someone with a weakness in their record who then fucks up. Disqualifying everyone who's already climbed a long way to be in the running for not getting music theory or something doesn't serve anyone's interests.

>>11237381
I'm not saying they're mutually exclusive. On the contrary, performance is closely tied to discipline.

>not getting music theory or something

I'm not sure what you mean but if you're not able to motivate yourself to hunker down and study subjects deemed "boring" or extraneous then you're demonstrating a lack of discipline and risk appearing fickle and undependable. That's what might be seen as a "weakness". You've gotta show a capacity for self motivation to excel.

>>11237482
Okay, I'll break it down more instead of just trying to explain what I mean by quoting you. Bad 4chan habit.

Let's separate ourselves from the whole undergrad circus a bit and look at medical schools. There are many parallels. You enter, pay your money or ride scholarships, and at the end you get a job. Now, how do employers decide who to hire? Some would say that they care a lot about what classes you took, extracurriculars you did, and grades you got, that these either are or should be the primary ways in which job candidates are evaluated. To this end, most medical schools give our letter grades for the preclinical coursework and then come up with elaborate ways to rank students during their clinical rotations. Others, however, say that so long as you don't totally bomb all your grades it matters more who you know. If this is the case, then there's little harm done in letting all but the real fuckups get comparable grades and let the connections they form and impressions they make do the rest of the work. To this end, Yale medical school has decided that they're not going to rank students. Turns out Yale grads get jobs comparable to those of similar schools where students are ranked with autistic attention. Yale students claim that this arrangement benefits everybody because they can cooperate rather than compete while still being top-tier students in a top-tier training environment.

It could be argued that Harvard and other elite schools that have seen grade inflation are just doing what Yale has done but leaving a little more room for kids to fuck up (not everybody gets an A- or better average, but nearly everyone graduates from Yale Med). They know they have top students, and they know they have top professors and professional alumni connections that can set these kids up to be good bankers and such. Why put one of their Grade-A1 students who happened to be tone-deaf or something at a disadvantage against a kid from a B-Grade school with a 4.0?

>>11237613
-continued

Now, if connections are what matters, then why adjust the grades at all? Why not just give out lots of Cs and let the chips fall where they may with the networking? Because the people doing the hiring have to cover their own butts. There's an old (or as old as a saying can be that relates to computers) saying that, "nobody every got fired for buying IBM," meaning that if you acquire something that's well-credentialed and it fucks up, nobody blames you, but if you buy off-brand and it fucks up it's your fault for cutting corners. Therefore the people making hiring decisions still care about GPA, but not because they think it's a strong indicator of ability. This gives incentive for elite schools to inflate grades, because that just creates more "IBM," while lower-tier schools have to have tough grading for any of their grads to qualify as IBM.

MIT and Hopkins are well-known to not take part in much grade-inflation, but it's worth noting that they've both started offering not only pass/fail grading in the first year, but even pass/no-record and "covered" grading.

>>11237644
As far as hiring practices regarding ivy league grads go, I can't confirm anything you've said with absolute certainty 'cause I don't really know myself. But as far as rumors go, Ivy League students do have a rep that works to their favor, hence the zealousness in maintaining high gpa. Seems to me like going to a top tier school is synonymous with upper class privilege. The prep aesthetic itself carries heavy connotations of old money and the idea that as soon as you graduate you are a guaranteed shoo-in. I guess that's where the IBM analogy comes into play? The implication is that you are hiring a candidate that's been 'groomed to succeed.'

Academics tend to affirm that employers choose grads not on the assumption that they are in possesion of specialized knowledge but that they have the discipline to complete the years of higher education it took to get the degree. One of the most important aspects of higher ed is to help foster the mindset that would make one a suitable candidate.

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What's the verdict on class rings, if they're from an Ivy League university? I'm graduating this year and am considering picking one up for prep/trad fits

>>11237884
The schools that are known for their class rings get a pass
Otherwise avoid class rings it's just a scam

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>>11237884
Just do what suits you, you're the one who's gonna be wearing it. The consensus shouldn't decide what's best for you tbqh.

>>11237902
you're right but I was looking for a sanity check anyway, thanks /fa/m

>>11237937
Basically unless you graduated from Texas A&M or West Point it's kinda weird in my opinion
Are there any other schools known for their rings, seriously?

>>11234715
>JFK buttoning both buttons
Jesus H. Christ.

>>11238048
you're aware that they were intended to be buttoned right

desu

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>>11238034
MIT

>>11238056
This has to be bait.

>>11238137
literally look it up, it's a certain kind of sack suit with a button stance that requires both.

>>11238155
sorry, *sportcoat
it might not have anything to do with sacks either
all i know is that it's meant to be that way

is there a way to incorporate elements of prep into your wardrobe without going all the way? i think going all the way would be poseurish

>>11238155
>shilling for an Irishman this hard
You must be DESPERATE for potatoes.

>>11238171
i like potatoes

>>11238170
You're describing how most private school kids dress. Some prep, some comfy-core, some outdoor gear like Patagonia, some ironic hip hop stuff.

>>11237884
I think Cruz's ring looks dope, as long as you get a signet and not something really gaudy I think you're all good

>>11238170
It's not too hard to do, just avoid embroidered pants, patchwork madras, or Ivy League gear. Generally, keep it simpler - Stick to white and navy for polos, classic colors (white, blue, uni stripe) for oxfords, and try simple sneakers like Sperry CVOs or Tretorns instead of penny loafers, bucks, or god forbid, boat shoes. Surcingle/ribbon belt in uni colors works, shorts in pastel are really pretty standard these days. Patagonia snap-T fleece is a good comfy choice so long as you avoid wearing it with Chubbies and a visor or other frat shit. Make sure your pants fit normally, maybe no break or half a break.

Prep style is usually pretty unassuming and classic if you're not intentionally dressing like an Easter egg or copying photos of Princeton students from the 1960s. Don't wear anything you think is strange, be comfortable in your clothes, and no one will think you're a poseur.

>>11238288
>>11238201
thanks for the advice
i think i'll still wear penny loafers tho

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>>11237306
soooo solly entgrish not 1th rangaueg

>>11238415
>when you find out you're not as rich as the other Chinese students and your dad's suits aren't actually Hermes

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>>11238420
that's a good thing, right?

>>11238375
You sound like you'll be fine. Simply being aware of it is usually enough.

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>>11238430
>he doesn't wear all-Hermes everything

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>>11238531
>Herpès

>>11238557
Only from all the bitches I fuck due to wearing Hermes.

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>>11238582
Normie get the fuck out

>>11222305
Are cardigans preppy? w2c a nice cardigan

My local Macy's has some PRL (I know) knit oxfords for sale. I don't mind the little pony, is it worth trying?

>>11239437
Nothing wrong with a Ralph button down

>>11239444
Yeah but it's pique knit like a polo. I think it's damn cool and would be good for summer but I don't want to look like a massive tool.

>>11231964
>The group presented a list of demands to the deans of all eight Ivy League schools with a 48-hour deadline for their administrations to issue a ban on the following items: tweed sportcoats, khaki trousers, oxford-cloth buttondowns, penny loafers, argyle socks, Shetland sweaters, rep-striped ties, madras shorts and shirts, boat shoes, tweed caps, duffel coats, schoolboy scarves, duck boots, Ray-Bans, popovers, surcingle belts, critter pants, gold-buttoned blazers, and anything patchwork.

I can get behind this

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>>11234710
Buckley was an Irish Catholic yet more prep than you'll ever be

>>11239465
>cuckservative

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>>11239482
but he liked Pinochet, is that edgy enough for you?

>>11239490
Pinochet was incompetent so no

Need a pair of Levis (I know) but 501s are too baggy. Should I get 513s?

>>11239465
>from Mexico

lol no

build the wall

>>11223583
I come from a section of society where dressing this way is vaguely expected, but I like dressing up and doing it well so I guess this is just more ideas and inspiration.

>>11239726
511

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>>11239490
The leader lives in death!!!! Wow!!!!!!!

1973-1982 all star monetarist champions and TRUE HONEST fascists 14/88 BROTHERS!!!!

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>>11239179
Really depends on your budget and desired material senpai
Dehen, LL Bean, Lands End, Lifshitz, O'connells, Harley, Wool Overs, Drumohr, Boncoura...

Pic related is Brutus I think, more cross-pond aping than the real thing but still cool nontheless.

Even ghetto stuff like Muji or Qlo works in a pinch (although you do generally get what you pay for)

Vintage stuff is pretty nice&Cheaps

>>11240543
>>>/pol/

>>11237057
Really depends on the location.
That may have some truth in the Midwest or further north, but madras in the south is like denim in Japan - shits way too played out. May as well wear VV at that point.

>>11241261
>denim in Japan
denim is probably the most common fabric at any given location

>>11225388
Burberry trench, Barbour/Belstaff anything, unstructured car jackets, certain athletic-esque cotton shell jackets (Arpenteur has some nice ones), sports blazers. Technical jackets or raincoats can work too, so long as the rest of the fit is a little more dressed-up.

>>11241261
>not ironically wearing vv

dae le #preppy kjp xDDDdDd

Levi's 501 or 505?

>>11242169
KJP, more like KYS, amiright?

>>11223583
I am german and studying finance at an elite uni in my country and I like to dress this way.
I guess I just like the anglo american look and imo it is a lot better than european stuff.

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>>11243461
501 duh