Fashion Line Disaster

>putting "career" in scarequotes when talking about kanye west

you understand he's done more with his life than you or anyone you know ever will?

>>10961804
Someone fill me in on this.

Did Kanye West's fashion line fail?

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>>10961825

Guess

>>10961833
I actually said it was trash from when it first showed. But I figured people will buy it still because they are gullible.

Did Kanye West officially fail or no?

>>10961840

Yeah there are some idiots who bought into this, several on /fa/ of course, ever thinking they "see" what normal people don't see, but we can also learn a lesson from "The Emperor's New Clothes"

As to your question, it's answered in the OP picture

>>10961825
lol no edgelords will reject it because it's mainstream but he's selling pretty well.

>>10961991
Looks like he isn't selling at all:

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/6875222/kanye-west-debt-53-million-mark-zuckerberg-invest

>Kanye west 53 million in debt, officially.

>>10962015
the debt has nothing to do with not selling clothes

>>10962067

BUT NOBODY IS BUYING HIS FUCKING CLOTHES

>>10961819
Not OP, but the hilarious amounts of delusion in that statement made me chuckle, good for you.

>>10962067
How else did he get in debt tho?

Either he aint selling music or he aint selling clothes, but I think the label does the music so it must be the clothes.

>>10962067
cmon, man his clothes are on deep sale here in milan, and we have some huge kanye dickriders around, the only thing that sells are the shoes

>>10962015
>underage detected
lmao debt isn't shit if you have cash flow.
If you're paying mortgage on a house or a car, you're technically however much that is in debt. That doesn't mean you're fucking scrounging for money.
For example, Drake recently rapped "I got two mortgages, 30 million in total." This would make drake 30 million in debt.
There's a such thing as good debt. Like not paying for your house in full so you have more cash in hand for other ventures, collecting interest, or investing. i.e. his clothing line.

Didn't any of you autismos take ECON 101?

>>10962110
>expecting anyone on /fa/ to be over 18 and/or intelligent

shiggy

>>10962108
cop me some, senpai

>>10962148
i woldnt do something so horrible to someone

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>>10962110

If debt isn't shit why is he talking so suicidal?

Do you think he is crying while tweeting all this?

>>10962110
His debt is 3 years of his income. That's like an average person being 150.000 in debt, that's quite something.

That's what happens when you try to sell high-priced clothes when your consumer base is middle-class at best and teenagers at most.

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>>10962170
I'm gonna sound like a KTT stan but he's always been one to do way more than everyone else. That's why he's so successful and he's reached a point where his ambitious endeavors require more capital than what he's realistically able to provide.

I think it's safe to say he's 'conquered' rapping and producing. I think it's safe to say he's more or less 'conquered' high fashion as a rapper because what other rapper do you know with a show at Fashion week? Most other rappers have a shitty screen printed tee and embroidered floral jogger brand AT BEST. But Kanye want's more, he's just being very public, and manic (and autistic) with his requests.

He's saying this stuff about his debt so he comes off as vulnerable so people will pay attention to what he's saying and stop trying to make him a meme which is more counterintuitive than he probably thought.

Billionaires ask for funding for their ventures all the time. Pouring all your own money into something is the quickest way to go broke. It's a different way of thinking when you're rich.

Pic related.

>>10962225
the first sensible post

>>10962225
So here's a question for you; why does he think he's allowed a fashion show funded by various billionaires, but I'm not? Why does his musical influence automatically entitle him to produce a line of clothing and have it receive attention, whether it sells well or not?

Only real issue is the price point.
Majority of his followers cant afford any of that shit.

Instead of trying to sell a limited # of items for stupid prices, he should have focused on selling huge volumes of it for much less.

>>10962225
>I think it's safe to say he's more or less 'conquered' high fashion as a rapper because what other rapper do you know with a show at Fashion week?

kys, now

>>10962282

Because people wrongfully assume that having money means having class and taste.

>>10962285
this

He believed he was a designer, turns out he isn't. That's the crux of his debts.

>>10962225
who us p. diddy? sean john???? lololololololo ur obviously undeage

>>10962285
Kanye has never priced anything. In fact, he's said multiple times that he is a big believe in low prices and is working currently to reduce said prices.

>>10961991
A lot of it is in deep clearance.

kim's got his ass covered.

>>10962330
>Kanye has never priced anything. In fact, he's said multiple times that he is a big believe in low prices and is working currently to reduce said prices.

He's been selling t-shirts for over $200. It's not like he's Wal*Mart and he's gotta go off and fight suppliers to get shit cheaper. His line is literally the definition of marked up generic shit.

>>10962343
Kanye made T shirts which were sold through APC ultimately priced the shirts. APC still sells plain white t shirts on their own for almost $100.

>>10962335

If the meme gets out that he's a broke ass nigga she won't be with him for long, surely you can't be that naive

>>10962282
OP here.
Where is it implied that you're not? If anything his recent tweets are encouraging people to try to do more. It would be dumb as fuck to act like a man who's entire discography has gone platinum and has 21 grammys isn't going to get special treatment but he's still failed and learned from it.

Most people don't know this but before this Yeezy Season shit, in 2009 and it failed miserably and got canceled. 2011 he tried creating his own line of strictly women's clothing and it failed miserably and got canceled.
http://www.vogue.com/fashion-shows/spring-2012-ready-to-wear/kanye-west

He told Nike he didn't want to constantly do super exclusive shoes and he wanted to start clothing also and they laughed at him. So he went with Adidas. He tried to go to school to study fashion at St. Martins and he got rejected so yeah he's got fame and money and shit but it wasn't all smooth sailing.

>>10962309
edgy. that's why conquered is in quotations for one, also just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's failing.

I wouldn't wear that shit but it's by no means gonna die anytime soon.

>>10962320
>who us p. diddy? sean john???? lololololololo ur obviously undeage

what? what are you trying to say?

>>10961804
Kanye's problem is that he wants too much too fast. After shoes he should just move into a related category of accessoires and slowly build a brand and build a customer base. This also allows for 'feedback', figure out what works i.e. sells and make more of it. Clients create a brand as much as a designer does in the early stages.

>>10962359
"Oh no, my supplier/re-seller is marking things up like crazy! Whatever do I do????"

This is something ALWAYS covered in contracts like this. It's not like APC ran off and priced things high and Kanye was in the corner tearing up as he read the price tags. They made an agreement to do this. If Kanye actually gave a shit about keeping prices low, he would have sold his crap through WalMart or something.

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>>10962390

JUST

>>10962343
>marked up generic shit
that's 98% of this fucking board.
that's quite literally the definition of /fa/
APC, MMM, Raf, CP, all of it is marked up generic shit. If that gets your jimmy's rustled, I'm willing to bet you own supreme and also post on r/streetwear.

>>10962110
>There's a such thing as good debt. Like not paying for your house in full so you have more cash in hand for other ventures, collecting interest, or investing. i.e. his clothing line.

Sorry but can you explain why this is good? I've heard about the concept before but it seems to me that if you pay off the house in full everything you make after that can be invested as well. If it's a large sum, I can see how it would make a difference for the interest you collect or profit you would be able to make, but wouldn't the gain be neutralised by the interest on the debt?

>>10962225
>>10962282
Literally anyone can host a show at fashion week, it's pretty open.

>>10962486
>all of it is marked up generic shit
And I own none of it for that exact reason.

>>10962508
Interest on a mortgage would likely be far less than interest that would be made on the money saved and then invested. Any half decent person in wealth management could help him make a 10% return at minimum on his income. This especially is important because him and Kim move homes frequently anyway. Same thing with getting the latest car every year. If he were to settle down and not plan on moving anytime soon, it MIGHT be smart to pay in full in some scenarios but he has a steady flow of income so he can comfortably make payments on his debts and use his money to make bigger investments and get bigger returns.

>>10962576
>Any half decent person in wealth management could help him make a 10% return at minimum on his income
Lol no, not consistently at all. 10% absolute maximum in the long term.

>>10962525
but to have it scheduled so it doesn't conflict with other big shows and actually have big bloggers and other influential figures attend...

>>10962595
business ventures and other things aside. Anyone who at least knows stocks and isn't clinically retarded could make a 10% return. This is Kanye though so I'd expect wealth management team to do a little better than that.

>>10962390
He was given a doctorate in music without doing anything. He has no design skill, and his entire collection is just a series of slightly modified ripoffs.

My point was that if I was to create a collection, I would need money that I dont have and also have no way to get, and then it wouldn't recieve any attention because I'm not famous, regardless of how good the stuff I made was. Rappers seem to think they have some kind of influence over fashion when they know jack shit about actual design and just wear heavily branded items in a distasteful manner; usually what they're told to by their stylist.

>>10962390
>He tried to go to school to study fashion at St. Martins and he got rejected

kek

/thread

>>10962452
>Kanye's problem is that he wants too much too fast.

This. He's just an egomaniac (prolly because he's a manlet with inferiroty complexes) with no humility. He's pushing 40 and behaves like 20. That's probably why other narcissistic manchildren like him.

His music is also getting worse and worse, less and less effort. It was okayish in the beginning, now it's just garbage.

>>10962653
lol almost no one knows about his doctorate and everyone knows the doctorate is bullshit. Honorary doctorates only apply on the campus of that school.

The whole point you're trying to make is pointless. You have a point about other rappers but a lot of people do follow artists and try to emulate their styles. Just look at the inspo threads with Rocky, Harry Styles, etc. It would be naive to say they have no influence over fashion and it's a given most of them have stylists.

About the creating your own collection part, Kanye is literally the only exception of an artist who's doing well with his own high fashion brand. Fuck him for being popular off rap before doing fashion though right? He never said he should have higher authority over smaller designers, he just happens to have a bigger platform to work with.

If you don't like his clothing line, that's cool. Me either but to play it down like it's not selling is edgy and try hard. It's obviously selling to someone because it still exists, no? Publicly hating the brand only brings it more recognition. It's like people who go on the internet to constantly bash the Kardashians. How autistic do you have to be to not realize constantly bashing something only brings more attention to it. The best way to kill something is to ignore it.

>>10962683
He was apparently 'too famous'
Being taken as Louise Wilson's protege isn't a bad consolation prize though. RIP :,(

>>10962084
>telling somebody kanye west has achieved more than they will is 'delusion'

>he said he would be the next Louis Vuitton/Ralph Lauren

>wearing kanye west clothing


hahahahahhahhahahhahaahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahaahahahahahhaa

>>10962761
he black doe

>>10962705
>its obviously selling
>because it exists

kanye fans everyone

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>>10962699
>His music is also getting worse and worse, less and less effort. It was okayish in the beginning, now it's just garbage.
Do you think he found 21 Grammy's in cereal boxes or what?
It's fucking mindblowing how often people diminish Kanyes musical influence.

He has made 7 solo albums by now and pretty much none of them are much alike, how many artists actually diverse that much?
I wasn't sure if The Life of Pablo was going to live up to the hype but fuck yeah it did. And you can talk shit as much as you want because you don't like rap or hiphop, but in the end almost all his albums are objectively GOAT tier when it comes to production value.

>>10962282
Because he has the money and success to meet the right people as apposed to building your cedibilty up in the industry. It's a sad truth, but it's the truth. You can't expect to work or collaborate with big names unless you've shown you can be marketable. Kanye has a well known name, how he became famous is irrelivent. His name alone would cause interest therefore attract more possible buyers. It's simple as fuck, but you plebs keep arguing and bringing this up. He's a meme get over it.

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>>10962778
yeah, you're right they probably just put sold out on the websites for fun.

>>10962788

>muh production value

>>10962788
>Grammy's
>measure of good music

You're a retard.

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>>10962788

>musical influence

You know that's a bad thing considering mainstream tastes nowadays, right? Everywhere you see shitty music with shitty lyrics and every single fucking time I have asked why they listen to such retarded lyrics they reply with "muh beat, muh beat muhfugga"

He's shit and so are you

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>>10962788

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>>10962802
>getting platinum on every album for being shit
>not knowing about subjective tastes

the fact that you can even manage to get past captcha amazes me.

>>10962334
Not really. I'd cop if it was deep clearance but it's still £1000 for a fucking jumper.

>>10962526
you prolly own some tasers

>>10962486
>MMM
>marked up generic shit.

kys now

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>>10962836
I really need you not to reply and to just let the irony of this sink in.
Especially what their cheapest shirt is.
Just soak in it.

>>10962818

>slapping a golden sticker on a pile of shit makes it valuable

I bet you think movie critics are the shit too, you gullible fuck

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>>10962861
>tfw they slapped a golden sticker on all 6 piles of shit
>tfw people realize he's shit but keep accidentally buying his albums in droves

You've figured it out anon! Everyone else's taste is shit, yours is obviously superior. You wait here while I go tell the press!

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>>10962877

Guess who buys his albums? Take a good guess.

Hint: The same scum who can't afford his overpriced shit clothes

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>>10962861
You're right! He's just terrible!

>>10962882
I don't think you've ever listened to Kanye West. But please, keep making an idiot of yourself.

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>>10962882
>He browses /pol/

kek! I wish you would've posted this in the first place and saved me the time bud.
It makes sense now.

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>>10962893

>>10962797
only the shoes sold out

>>10962887
>>10962893

>Retards insisting that it's good music

You can slap a hundred stickers on a pile of shit, it doesn't make it any better. Is that so hard to comprehend?

If I recall, several of his stupid songs have retarded as fuck lyrics. How are you going to defend that you shit-tasted pleb?

>>10962898

>gets BTFO
>"uhh LOL RACIST MISOGYNIST SEXIST /pol/tard opinion discarded"

embarassing

>>10962797
so you're telling me he sold out completely and hes still having financial issues? hahahahaha

who ran the numbers on this venture? kanye himself probably

>>10962902
You're right. Everyone but you is wrong. What a ground breaking argument! Did you go to law school?

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>>10962898
>we are all the same I love immigrants they don't even rape that many women I hope white people stop being so racist and let immigrants rape their wives

>>10962912
see >>10962110

jesus you guys are fucked once mommy kicks you out.

>>10962930
>taking out loans is good business

top kek

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>>10962928
>immigrants
>ifunny
Holy shit, what in the entire fuck are you on about? Where did this come from? Are you off your meds?
fucking lol man. /pol/ never disappoints.

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>>10962648
>Anyone who at least knows stocks and isn't clinically retarded could make a 10% return

babbys first bull market

>>10962926

Kanyefags are so mad right now

Like you worshipping a broke ass nigga senpai calm down lmao

>>10962941
>and then he said 'I..I don't take out loans, I...I pay for everything in f-f-full'
>then he invited me to Applebees

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>>10962954
oops
>pic related

>>10962108
Liar.

>>10962824
was gonna say, his new shoes sold out in 4 seconds the other day at the launch, hardly gonna call that a fail

>>10961804
Clever marketing
>claims debt
>people assume clothes aren't selling
>hipsters get boners
>sales rise

>>10963014
well he is in debt but it isn't bad debt lol. Zuckerberg invested 53 mil whihc he needs to pay back. His new shoes sold out in 4 seconds, tried to get a pair to resell but nope.

>>10962084
>implying he's wrong though

I'm sure you are internationally renowned too. When's your next production coming up? I'm sure we all here at /fa/ will be very excited to see it.

>>10963027
not the guy that you replied to but I can say that I am revealing a clothing line soon

He's broke because his price point is too high for the target demographic imho. Kanyefags are HS to college at most and dont have disposable incomes. Drop the price maybe?

Also his fashion line is shit to anyone who knows the very least on men's fashion. Literally rips off older designers

>>10962486
APC and a small amount of newer raf & mmm is,
All other raf, mmm and cps arent

>>10962857
>some of their basic tees are generic
>therefore the brand is generic

yet again, kys now
kys also, because you can't tell galliano from pre-galliano MMM
you are a pleb of the lowest sort, dumb and opinionated

>>10961825
financially but nobody respects it

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>>10962941
Holy shit you're getting really fucking desperate now

>>10962941
>What is Modigliani-Miller Proposition I w/ Taxes

Why are corporate debt markets larger than equity markets retard?

how did kanye fall off so hard? did he have a stroke or something? his first 2 albums and mbdtf were good, he did a fashion show that was a massive failure and presumably gave up on it. but all of the sudden he starts releasing absolute GARBAGE albums (yeezus and pablo) and grinds out collection after collection, no matter how badly they both commercially and critically fail? at this rate he will run out of money in a couple years making more shitty helmut lang ripoffs and then kill himself or end up like DMX

wtf does anybody think that Kanye spent even a cent of his money on this fashion line?
or think that he doesn't get 250k+ in royalty checks every week, let alone the money from his other revenue streams
he's doing fine
saying "i have bills" doesn't mean anything unless you're also broke

>>10964319
>wtf does anybody think that Kanye spent even a cent of his money on this fashion line?

holy shit kanye fans are delusional

he wasted millions on this, it was an abject failure in every field

>>10964229
>nothing bad about taking loans

Keynesian economics go pls

>>10964335
>adidas pays him to design clothes (10 million to be specific, plus royalties)
>they pay for the clothes to be manufactured
translates to he's completely broke and 53m in debt

explain the logic
I didn't even follow the yeezy releases because the prices were high and the designs were straight copies
but, again, where's the logic

>>10964352
adidas bought out nikes contract for 10m

the yeezy boosts probably also netted kanye a few million

his cringey "fashion line" however completely burnt all of this money + much much more. hardly any buyers picked it up, the ones that did arent managing to sell it, and he bloated the production costs by millions of dollars by constantly redesigning shit at the last minute

this season will have even less buyers and lose him even more money.

his album sales are also dropping horrifically (because his music is shit now). he will be broke soon if he keeps egotistically wasting money on fashion ventures thinking everyone else views his "work" as well as he does. he could be smart with his money and invest like 50 cent but instead he is bleeding himself. he will be broke within 5 years at this rate.

>>10964319
250k a week doing jackshit? I don't think so

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>>10964379
>mfw just realized he did more than one season of yeezy

>>10964352

Just jumping in this thread, haven't read etc but I heard that the reason season 1 clothes cost so much was because kanye made a ton of last minute changes in fabrication, etc requiring them to manufacture a shitton of stuff all over again

adidas dropped the clothing collab after the first season and only collaborated with him on the shoes since then, they prob stopped cuz they were like shit we're gonna lose money with this

so if hes been doing a few seasons of clothes by himself yeah maybe not 53m but itll still be a fuckton and he did have that venture in womenswear back around 2010 that flopped and he said in the last 13 years so idk man could be alot of other things too

there definitely is not very much demand for the clothes, retailers have it on discount and ssense still has stuff from season 1 only which prob means they stopped buying it after the 1st time

>>10964379
dude how much money do you think he makes for selling a pair of Yeezys
he might make a two or three bucks per pair, MAYBE (source: bands talk about album sales all the time and it translates to like 50 cents per CD....shoes can't be much higher)
>his cringey "fashion line" however completely burnt all of this money + much much more. hardly any buyers picked it up, the ones that did arent managing to sell it, and he bloated the production costs by millions of dollars by constantly redesigning shit at the last minute
bro he didn't spend a cent on the fucking clothes lol
how can you not see that?
it's like Jordan. even if a shoe doesn't sell, he doesn't lose money .....he just gets smaller checks cuz he's smart enough to let another company handle the production and distribution end; he's only involved in the marketing and the cash checking
it's egotistical (you used that word so I'm throwing it back at you) to think that his fucking fashion line is anywhere near the top of his list of revenue streams. this is a fashion board so i figured you'd know that he isn't a fashion mogul with any cash actually invested in the industry.
which puts him in a golden position to say "I have debt" hoping that enough attention will be diverted his way to increase album sales

>>10964429
youre delusional dude

adidas paid kanye to produce the shitty shoe collabs. adidas did not pay kanye to produce his shitty fashion line, he paid them. a lot. they have nothing to gain off his shitty collections, as evidenced by how poorly it was produced and how poorly its selling. and you think they would finance a second season after the first was a massive commercial failure? delusional.

>>10964429
if you get bleach on my t shirt

ima feel like an asshole

i dont even wanna talk about it

why you on my dick bih

love,

the real

Ye

>>10964429

>bro he didn't spend a cent on the fucking clothes lol

this is wrong

adidas stopped working with him after the first season on his clothes, only thing they do is the shoes

>>10964131
I said to not reply and yet here you are.

>>10964429
>"I have debt" will increase album sales

The delusions are real. The "too big to fail" meme needs to die. He fucked up, he's in debt, he'll have to reconsider what he's doing unless he wants to end up totally bankrupt. As simple as that.

>>10964441
I just think people need to chill the fuck out about his tweets he'll say whatever he wants to stay in the headlines
and I bet a lot of people could claim to have that kind of debt too; it doesn't mean anything

>>10961804
the curse of taylor. last time he talked shit about tay tay his mom died. this time he goes broke

dont fuck with tay tay kanye

>>10964429
Kanye west 2012 was out of pocket.

Kanye west x addidas 2015 was a licensing operation

Same with apc

Both weren't super lucrative because he poisned his name with kanye west 2012

ITT: >I don't know how economics works.
>I must show everyone I disapprove of Memeye
>How will they know I don't approve of his mainstream clothing if I don't argue it on this Malaysian man child forum?
>I must apply my NEET welfare logic to this man's multi-million dollar lifestyle and show everyone how he's fucking up and I'm right
>Hopefully I get reddit gold once they realize that his music is shit and acknowledge my sonically superior music taste

>>10964485
okay fine
but if he only did a super limited number of pieces for each item, out of pocket costs can't be more than a few million

hahahahahhaha people in this thread trying to rationalize how getting 53 million dollars in debt is a good idea

you retards are in for a world of hurt once you get into the real world with an attitude like that. stay poor forever with loans

>>10964492
his adidas lines were not limited run at all, which is the main reason they failed miserably; there are a very limited number of consumers who are willing to pay for ugly, made in china clothes just because they have kanyes name on them. there are even fewer who will pay ridiculously high prices for them (unlike the lower retail on the adidas collabs, apc collabs, etc)

you are probably thinking that the run is limited because very few buyers actually picked up his shitty clothes. this is not a good thing for him, it means hes lost much, much more money. barely any of the money going into this line is in actual raw materials or production costs, seeing as its shit and mostly made in china. hes made a huge investment on this and no buyers means he has no chance of ever paying it back. hes doomed.

>>10964532
if it's all shit and made in china then how can the costs be high
not making money on something doesn't put someone into debt
that just doesn't add up, man
and you can't assume that he spent any money on any of the clothes that Adidas produced and paid him to design; that's not how it works
like okay
Tiger Woods
he was making ludicrous money in a Nike endorsement deal
when the deal fell apart he didn't go into debt and have fucking cases of polos in his garage
the checks just stopped coming in; that didn't mean he went into debt

is this entire thread 19 years old or something

>buying rapper clothes

kek who does this?

it's like people think that an unsold MA1 can translate into debt
when he's raking in half a million + a portion of ticket sales every day on tour

>>10964547
>if it's all shit and made in china then how can the costs be high
youre so fucking stupid i dont know why i bother arguing with you but; almost all of the raw costs are in securing factories, securing materials, that kind of thing, not in the physical materials or the physical labour of 2c an hour chinese workers that were contracted through 5 middlemen, sow when kanye "genius" west switches the materials, patterns, production, etc. 20 different times for each piece because he cant make up his thick fucking mind, this drives up his costs, probably doubled them (look it up) and thats only a small portion of the money he wasted
>not making money on something doesn't put someone into debt
unless you perfectly break even, it costs you money. costing you money may or may not put you in debt, depending on your liquid assets. but youre still a failure.
>and you can't assume that he spent any money on any of the clothes that Adidas produced and paid him to design; that's not how it works
holy shit man youre legitimately fucking retarded, 5 differnet people in this thread have told you adidas did not pay him to produce his yeezy seasons, look it up, read a fucking book my man, you can compare him to jordan, tiger woods, and 1000 other celebs but the situation will not be the same. you are fanboying so hard youre going to have an aneurysm. use your fucking skull.

>>10964491
>"like this if you support Kanye despite what people say"

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>>10962802
>i was born in the wrong generation

>>10964579
nah I don't like his clothes but I think people are reading too far into his twitter rants
http://www.highsnobiety.com/2015/10/07/yeezy-season-2-pricing/
seriously there's no way he paid for it himself he must have gotten investors to cover the costs

>>10964612
literally has nothing to do with his twitter shit this was well known well before

do you realize in the past two years he bought an 11 million dollar house and paid almost 30 million total for his wedding. Last time I checked season 1 is mostly sold out

>>10964699
he makes 500k+ every time he does a show
he's doing just fine

Its ridiculous that they let him take out that much debt in the first place. Even for Kanye, 53 million is a lot; he is a millionaire, not a billionaire.What if he can't pay it back?

The banking industry is a joke.

>>10961804
poor guy thinks hes white. his whole career was created in a lab by a white man. he thought he could shake the black disease he has by trying but he cant. just another victim of PC culture

>>10964717
this

this is what happens when you try to teach black people they can be whatever they want. it always ends in tears. you only have to look at a history book to know what full blooded africans are capable of. kanye should have been happy with the career his white masters made for him

>>10961819
>>10962754
Stalin achieved more than I probably will. Mao has as well. That doesn't mean they aren't retards who failed at everything except charisma.

Kanye is good at making beats and he is charismatic, and that is it. Intellectually, he is retarded, politically he is retarded, and at fashion design he is retarded too. At all three of those things I am better than him, I just can't make beats like he can.

People always assume that being "talented" or "successful" is a statement about the totality of you as an individual, when in reality people are successful at certain things and such dick at others. I dk why we have so many celebrities and pop stars engaged in multiple ventures, 99% of which blow

>>10964702
source?

>>10964730
http://thesource.com/2014/10/27/kanye-west-rejects-vegas-4-5-million-offer/
damn that actually would have been cool

either way every other site inquiring about his cost for booking lists 500k+

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>>10962788
>implying music awards matter
Music awards are the most rigged awards in all of existence. Whatever label bribed the most radio stations to play its songs automatically gets it; the music industry is one of the biggest shitshows in America today.

Lady Gaga, Justin Bieber, Chris Brown, and other garbage tier artists all have plenty of awards, including grammys, yet plenty of insanely famous indie artists would never have a shot at it.

Kanye West is influential within pop music, sure, I'll give you that. But pop music for the last ten years or so has been festering like rotten jizz in a sock. Its all marketed towards people either too busy or too fucking stupid to look deeper into the possibilities of music

I'll give you that there are a couple of good songs on the new album. No More Parties in LA is pretty good; however "Waves" is in my opinion the worst song he has ever made. I can't tell the fucking difference between Chris Brown, the weekend, justin bieber, or any of those other pop r&b clowns; the beats are far more repetitive and stereotypical than any EDM, and the voices and lyrical content are fucking identical

>>10964777
lol don't forget Jethro Tull beating Metallica for best heavy metal perforformance

>>10962508
You're right

>>10962648
Are you actually an idiot?

>>10964727
Stalin was uncharismatic as fuck. He was a genius political tactician who just didn't really give a fuck about individual human lives. Mao was probably the most talented guerrilla general of all time, defeating the KMT was brilliance.

>>10962508
Don't worry, you've got it right, these niggas don't know what the fuck they are talking about.
Its "good debt" only if you use the extra cash in a way that generates more money than had you just let it sit in a checking/savings account. In Kanye's case, he invested it in making a bunch of cheaply made, ugly clothing, so anyone saying Kanye's debt is "good debt" has their head up their ass. Unless he makes over $53 million back, its not good debt. Even if he makes around 53-54 million in fact, its still not good debt because the opportunity cost for someone like Kanye is incredibly high.

That being said, Kanye could just be lying about his debt like everything else he tweets.
>>10962576
Are you claiming that buying a new car every year is a "good investment"? Holy shit, you are a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge dumbass. You certainly can't make back 10% on your investments, I'll tell you that much.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/investopedia/2011/02/11/buying-a-car-the-worst-investment/#8d8d552060e9
Cars are widely known to be the worst investments possible. In fact, immediately upon driving your new car off the lot, it loses an average of 11% of its value.

Housing markets vary, but he likely lost a large amount of money during the housing bubble crash and during the 2008 recession, as the high value luxury houses got hit pretty hard.

>>10964886
its impossible to make profit with loans. loans are a jewish constructed trap and a good way to stay middleclass forever.

the only time a loan is acceptable is if you really just dont care about money and want to live comfy and be happy. rather than having to claw your way to your first home then work your way up from there

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>>10964847
I don't disagree. Stalin was uncharismatic on a personal level, but I think its undeniable that he had some form of charismatic authority or manufactured charisma in the public eye, no matter how artificial it may have been. In this way he is a lot like many pop stars, who seem to have huge personality defects but hide it through a manufactured image.

I was being a bit too blunt with my rhetoric; obviously Mao and Stalin were both very good at politics as well. I would argue that Stalin wasn't very good at tactics though; they tended to win conflicts through sheer brutality and endless manpower.

If I remember correctly, though I could be remembering it wrong, Mao took a lot of credit for others accomplishments during the war and was simply the most charismatic of the leaders when he was appointed leader of the Communists, not the most qualified. Its been a while since I've read about Mao though

>people who don't understand economics/NEETs criticizing economical choices of a multi millionaire with worldwide influence
kanye's tour with jay z racked in something around 53mil for 43 shows if iirc

>>10962015
>be in debt
>put out new album
>make it as hard as possible for people to legally buy it

What did he mean by this?

>>10965540
my 2 fresh ILLEGAL copies of tlop are sitting fresh on my harddisk and the only thing i can tell mr. Kanye Memeari West is, 'sent ;)'.

>>10964886
>Are you claiming that buying a new car every year is a "good investment"?
No that's the exact opposite of what I'm saying. I'm saying not paying in full for a car you'll upgrade in a year. Same with them moving houses but then the totals of those things can be calculated into their debts. It's good debt though since he has a steady stream of income and can make payments without worry.

>>10965518
>expecting welfare NEETs to try to apply their basement logic to a multi-millionaire's life
That's where you fucked up anon. There's a reason he's got millions and we're posting here :)

>>10964893
>take out big loan agianst low interest
>loan out small loans againat high interest
>profit

>>10962084
man. you're not convincing anybody...

>>10964727
lol, you didn't even argue if he's done more than you ever will or not. Just fall back on your "lol he's stupid!" excuses, that's why you're still living at home.

Is there any logic with this pricing? I understand that it's made in Europe, but so is more prolific designer stuff with half the price. Or does Kanye have exceptionally good production line?

https://www.ssense.com/en-us/men/designers/yeezy-season-1

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Dude Like How is 53 millions of Dollars Debt Is Real? hahaha Like When You Was In Debt For +1 Millions Just Stap Hahahaha Like Stop Wasting The Money That you Dont Have, Idiot.

>>10964447
>gets btfo
>b-baka!

>>10966235
What are you even saying

>>10966202
I don't understand Africa-American "fashion". Why would I pay hundreds, possibly thousands of dollars, to look poor?

The question isnt did kanyes line fail, but when. The international fashion world isnt made of hypebeast ye dickriders and wont just eat his shit up because its "yeezy". Eventually he'll have to change his line up with new designs and it doesn't look like thats going to happen with how similar season 1, 2, and 3 look. Even tricky rick and hedi who constantly get shit for pushing the same thing over and over have more variety. So unless he cant keep it fesh he'll be done.