Top 5 designers

KVA is a hack

>>10659063
>Hedi Sillyman
>number one
Nice b8 m8

>>10659063
hedi isn't a designer, he's a stylist

>>10659063
1. Yohji
2. Tricky Ricky
3. Juun j
4. Junya Watanabe
5. Ann d

>>10659081
Weeb trash

>>10659084
Only 2 are Japanese

>>10659063
imo
1. Julius_7
2. Hedi Slimane
3. Yohji
4. Rick Owens
5. Ann Demeulemeester

>>10659070
It's just the general taste of /fa/, in general we love skinny people and the skinny frame A LOT. SLP delivers that.

>>10659102
seconded. Julius_7 is god tier.

1.ccp
2.thom browne
3.dries van noten
4.yohji yamamoto
5.junya watanabe

>>10659124
Genuine question because I don't really know much about him
What makes Thom Browne good?

>>10659110
>It's just the general taste of /fa/,
No it's not, SLP threads are a fucking joke here and literally no one outside those threads likes Hedi or SLP

>>10659073
shut the fuck up

>>10659160
this, SLPkeks are cancer to this board

Ralph Lauren
Calvin Klein
Karl Lagerfeld
Raf
Dries

Gosha
Raf
Van den Akker
Junya (more or less)
Poell

No particular order

>>10659161
Butthurt Hedi chuck detected. The SLP 'aesthetic' is just Hedi rehashing thrift store clothes. Just accept the fact that you're a filthy brandwhore.

>>10659217
>Gosha
Really? I mean his stuff is cool but top 5?

>>10659217
>gosha
>raf

hows highschool these days?

Iris Van Herpen
Ann D
AF Vandevorst
Jun Takashi
Yohji Yamamoto

Belgian designers and Japanese designers are currently the strongest atm

in no particular order
gosha rubchinskiy
raf simons
kanye west
yohji yamamoto
errolson hugh

In no order my favorites at least -
Martin Margiela
Maurizio Altieri
Rei Kawakubo
Helmut Lang
Takahiro Miyashita

>>10659237
You're a literal retard. I don't even like SLP. Leave this board and never come back.

>>10659142
He has created an aesthetic that is unique and respectable and that is not too offensive with high quality materials.

>>10659063
>1. Hedi Slimane
L O L
O
L

In MENS only, only living people, and only considersing the last 10 years:

1. Martin Margiela
2. Ricardo Tisci
3. Vivienne Westwood
4. Yohji Yamamoto
5. Dries van Noten

Greatest of all time for WOMENS and MENS:

1. Yves Saint Laurent
2. Alexander McQueen
3. Gianni Versace
4. Karl Lagerfeld
5. Christian Dior

Top 3 worst designers:

1. Phillip Plein
2. Ralph Lauren
3. Rick Owens

All 3 of them lack formal education.

>>10659249
you really cant say that raf isnt a good designer, and gosha is really inovative, puting a trubeld russian teen skater in the context of high fashion just works

>>10659270
> Kekye West

Good b8 m8

In terms of what's going on in the actual industry outside of /fa/'s teenage internet taste:

1. Nicolas Ghesquiere
2. Alessandro Michele
3. J.W. Anderson
4. Maison Margiela
5. Vetements

Honorable mention :

Marques ' Almeida
Undercover womenswear has been going fucking HARD for a couple seasons but mens is still pretty mediocre save a few items here and there

No love for Marni?

In no particular order

1. Peirong Wu
2. Siki Im
3. Takahiro Miyashita
4. Yohji Yamamoto
5. Stephan Schneider

Honourable mention: Jan jan van essche

3.

>>10659352
>Karl Lagerfield
Hahahahaha
He's the Hedi Slimane of womenswear.
>not including Balenciaga

why the fuck are people even suggesting hedi
PLEASE kill yourself (PLS kys) shaking my head to be honest

>>10659329
>>10659124
idk man he doesn't do his own tailoring so its not like he's a wizard with cuts or w/e
+ his entire line has gotten sloppy recently loads of awful looking items

>>10659270
almost had me baited there l a d

>>10659352
why did you write only 3 times in your first sentence? ;)

>>10659063
1. Richard Saturnino Owens
2. Boris Bidjan Saberi Moghaddam Teherani
3. Martin Margiela
4. Helmut Lang
5. Yohji Yamamoto

according to my taste, not objective

>>10659352
>2. Ralph Lauren
OH boy

>>10659975
He has done a lot in the grand scheme of things

>>10659352
>All 3 of them lack formal education.

this means nothing, just look at the art

you are a pretentious faggot

1. Rick Owens
2. Gareth Pugh
3. Acne Studios
4. Stephan Schneider
5. Alexander Wang

>>10660355
>Acne
>Alexander Wang
KEK

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>>10660365
I know, meme brands. But I don't think anybody does the "nonchalant and cool" look as consistently or well as Wang does. The different fabrics he uses is interesting also.

I like Acne for their creativity, cuts, and presentation on both the men's and women's side.

>>10660387
I'll give you A Wang, but Acne is horrible. Basically the Zara of contemporary brands. They shamelessly jump from trend to trend. In terms of creativity, cuts, and presentation, lots of other brands do it much better. It's around 75% marketing and 25% execution for Acne.

>>10660402
>lots of other brands do it much better

Such as...

I'm genuinely curious to know.

1. Rick Owens
2. Raf Simons
3. Usually what
4. I'm dressed
5. In

Jun Takahashi
Tatsuro Horikawa
Junya Watanabe
Ann Demeulemeester
Takahiro Miyashita

kinda in order

>>10659081
Yo junn.J got mad graphic t shirts. Feels like raf

meme list

1lang
2rick
3raf
4yohji
5hedi

>>10661688

other way around

Imo this for the last 5 years
1 Hedi
2 Ann demeulemeester
3 Julius

Then objectively Rick and ccp round it out in no particular order. Maybe you could put in thom Browne if he didn't just generally fuck off for the last few years.

>>10660402
is acne that bad
ive never had any issues with their cuts or presentation
it is just "expensive" fast fashion tho
expensive relative to other fast fashion brands like asos,zara,h&m

Haider
Soulland
Sunnei
Geller
Ervelly

bonus round:
fairy lorenzo
thisisneverthat

Favorites, not greatest, alphabetical order because comparisons are odious, more than five because fuck it I could narrow it down if I wanted to but I don't:

Cristobal Balenciaga
Errolson Hugh
Martin Margiela
Issey Miyake
Daisuke Nishida
Rick Owens
Miuccia Prada
Sruli Recht
Jun Takahashi

Dude from White Mountaineering
Dude from Visvim
Dude from Snow Peak
Dude from Mountain Research
Dude from Briefing

>>10662031
balenc
margiela
owen
prada
recht

cookie cutter edge lord mde fanbase muccvoid(thebrand)

>>10659063
tatsuro horikawa
takahiro miyashita
ann demeulemeester
yohji yamamoto
issey miyake

>>10662046
What the fuck is mde and what the fuck is your problem?

Also like seriously if you're talking designers on that list that you'd tag someone as an "edgelord," which is a stupid way to talk anyway, for liking... you include Balenciaga and Prada and leave off Hugh and Takahashi?

1) Yohji Yamamoto
2) Jun takahashi
3) Rei Kawakubo
4) Helmut Lang
5) Alexander Mcqueen

I respect them all at different aspects so the list doesn't equate to what i rank them as

>>10662100
memes brao

>>10659063
no raf no rei no mm baka

>>10659352
rick owens doesnt lack formal education he is easily the most skilled patternmaker out of all of the people you have listed.

>In MENS only, only living people, and only considersing the last 10 years:

>1. Martin Margiela

the man stoped designing clothing 2006...

ricardi tisci does nothing but abuse gaudy graphics season after season, same thing with versace, vivienne is an old hag protesting consumerism by selling ugly t-shirts for 200, mcqueen is a failed tailor that resorted to over the top runway shows, hes not bad but def not top5, dont even get me started on lagerfeld.

from the list you posted i can conclude that your level of knowledge of fashion is equal to that of a 17 year old girl that calls herself a fashionista

>>10659237
>>10659073
>fashion illiterate detected.

>Jun Takahashi
>Takahiro Miyashita
>Ann D
>Rick
>Raf

>>10659255
It's Takahashi btw

Raf simons
Rick ownes
Yohji yamamoto
Helmut lang
Maurizio amadei

No particular order.

>>10662217
rick doesn't even sketch he just make pieces on a mannequin as his design process hes og

rick owens
whoever julius is
anne demuelemeester
boris
carol poell
helmut lang
alexander wang
philip lim
plokhov

not from an artistic standpoint, just wearable designers that can work together in a wardrobe.

>>10662288
>whoever julius is
Tatsuro Horikawa

>>10662247
which is called draping
every designer drapes

>>10659255
Iris van Herpen is Dutch though.

>>10659102
>>10659123
>Julius_7
>Designer
Yikes

Rick
Isabel Benenato
Yohji
Miyake
Lang

>>10663275
I think if he said Tatsuro Horikawa nobody would have known what he was talking about.

>>10663297
It has been said multiple times throughout the thread, so no I completely disagree.

That shouldn't be something that is catered to either. Lack of knowledge isn't something that should be accepted, rather it should be a promotion of knowledge/learning.

>>10662288
>wang
>philip lim
>plokhov
>anne

spotted the new fag

>>10663258
yeah but every designer makes sketches and moodboards prior to draping, rick does not

1.Poell
2.Maurizio Altieri
3.Rick
4.Thom Browne
5.Haider

>>10663310
God you're pretentious

>>10659110
I love the SLP aesthetic and I love I'd suck mad cock for some of those pieces, but placing Hedi Slimane on no. 1 is autism at it's finest.
The guy is pretty much a hack by now, he hasn't done anything new or interesting in the last 10+ years, he hasn't evolved at all, he is barely relevant nowadays outside of /fa/ and most of his new pieces suck.
Also, have you seen the spring/summer 2016 show? It's beyond saving.

ITT:
people listing Hedi, Raf, Rick and Kanye because that's literally every designer they have ever heard of (i.e. the meme designers of /fa/)

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None. High fashion is a terrible hobby for me and I don't care for X trend in women's fashion.

Fashion is only interesting to the extent that it's like people watching. Kill yourself if you like it for any other reason.

>>10662217
>tisci is gaudy
>mcqueen is a failed tailor
>...

I hope you understand that insults are not a valid way of critique, since you can come up with an insult for anyone.

Rick Owens has no formal education in clothing design, but only in materials manufacture, and from a shitty school at that. Rick Owens was unable to find a job as designer until he met his granny-wife Michèle Lamy at age 40. She is the source behind every good Rick piece you've ever seen. Rick Owens only ever did one haute couture collection and it flopped. To sum it up: Nobody ever wanted Rick as designer, he is just the front-end of Michèle Lamy because he's a guy and an American.

Ricardo Tisci went to the most prestigious design school in Britain with 17. He became the youngest couturier in history with only 30, after Givenchy dragged him in for a huge sum of money. At the same time he was appointed to the prêt-à-porter line as well as accessories. His success in haute couture was so remarkable, he increased the number of customers from 5 to 29 (and those are 100.000€ dresses mind you). Loads of very qualified artists have endorsed Givenchy after Tisci. To sum it up: People literally scramble for Tisci and everything Tisci makes.

If you can't understand that Givenchy, being an established fashion house for old rich people, limits Tisci's creativity, I'm sorry for you.

>>10662224
agree first 3 but i think raf has fallen off SO much

>>10664731
>people watching
wow the same dumb basic bitch who i briefly dated liked to go to starbucks and do the same thing
nice taste u have there pardner

>>10664854
>ranking people based on where they went to school
class act anon

>>10659160
Replace SLP with Rick Owens and you have truth.
As if anybody outside of /fa/ thinks fullrick looks anything but autistic

>>10664896
>ranking people in a field by the recognition they get from their peers

I think that's reasonable.

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>F3
>"jeremy scott"
>0 of 0

really guys what the fuck

>>10664903
literally every fashion forum is obssesed with rick

>>10664927
>literally every English speaking fashion forum, that is therefore inhabitet largely by Americans, is obsessed with an American fashion designer

FIFY. Truly unobvious!

>>10664955
no, literally every fashion forum is obsessed with rick

>>10664972
Proof?

>>10664972
I suppose what I meant by outside /fa/ is outside fashion forums, forgetting that there were others.
Essentially, nobody outside of the Rick circlejerk thinks it looks good on its own merit without being attached to a designer.
People who don't know what Rick is just think it looks like shit

kanye
donatella
baby phat
ann demulestsetsrsrs
yohji

>>10659063
I'm new with designer knowledge but so far I love polo Ralph Lauren because his designs are so versatile and useful for everything and also many artists of the Antwerp six who knew how to use Colour and literally slaps autistic /fa/ggots in the face with the whole all black meme.

In no order:
1. Dries Van Noten
2. Ann Demeulemeester
3. Ralph Lauren
4. Walter Van Beirendock
5. Marina Yee

>>10665174
>slaps autistic /fa/ggots in the face with the whole all black meme.
>lists ann demeulemeester

>>10665246
Hey, she has non-all black stuff and sometimes all black is alright as long as it's not done lazily.
Chill

>>10664987
keep telling yourself that, thanks to numerous celebs and tumblr, rick has become attracted to many many normies

No specific order:
Raf Simons
Alexander McQueen
Hedi Slimane
Jun Takahashi
Rick

Mine

1. Jan Jan Van Assche
2. Rick Owens
3. Ann D
4. Haider Ackermann
5. Jun

>>10665174
Yes Polo Ralph is a god

>>10665936
You're arguing against yourself without even realising it m8.
>thanks to numerous celebs and tumblr
Thinking clothes are good because you see celebrities or people on tumblr wear them, or because you know how expensive they are and so over time trick yourself into believing they look good because in your mind, their monetary and status value gets conflated with their actual value as an item of clothing/piece of design work.

If you didn't know who or what Rick Owens was, and you saw somebody wearing fucking Ramones shoes you'd most likely think they looked awful.

Whereas, if you didn't know what Saint Laurent was and saw somebody wearing some Hedi 30's, D02's and a nice shirt/leather jacket you'd most likely think they looked pretty good, not just because you knew their outfit was expensive.

Perhaps I did pick a slightly riskier Rick piece than SLP, but i feel like my point stands desu.

SLP looks good independent of anything else, whereas the only people who seem to like Rick are people who like it for the sake of it being different and expensive.

Pleb here

What is the best way to learn about different designers and their styles? Is there something to read or some shit?

>>10666283
Browse their websites, watch their runway shows on youtube, e.g. I was just watching this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skiJ0bvLelQ
Lurking here occasionally helps as well :)

>>10666392
Forgot to say though, you will have to research which designers are behind each house for whatever season you're looking at etc.
Not too hard to find

>>10662100
>>10662188
what is mde?

1. ccp
2. rick owens
3. raf simons
4. helmut lang
5. rei rei kawakubo

>>10666283
i like to go through boutiques then research the brands/names that constantly catch my eye - it helps you spread out

it's like going through compilations and discovering bands you might like

>>10659063
h&m

>>10659063
hedi isn't a designer
how can you like hedi and rick at the same time
kris is washed up and never made anything good at his own label
acne is just shit

1. Rick Owens
2. Helmut Lang
3. Yohji Yamamoto
4. OG Raf Simons
5. Carol Christian Poell

>>10664854
>prestigious design blah blah
csm is literally shit lad, he probably sewed two things in his entire 'academic' career

>rick school
he's not talking about his school, he has a trades education from actual factories where he worked for years

people that want to learn to actually cut up fabric and stitch pieces together to make clothes do not go to 'fashion school' trust me

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>>10664854
>>10664921
>>10659352

1. Sk8thing
2. Helmut Lang
3. Martin Maison Margiela
4. Christopher Raeburn
5. Christopher Kane

In no particular order.
Honorable mentions: Kanye West, Rick Owens

in no order

McQueen
West
Demulemeester
Simons
Malygina

this thread is no fun without some explanations/descriptions. it's cool to know what people are into but dumb if people just toss out names

>>10659063
is this in order? in any case i seriously question the relevance of hedi slimane and kris van assche alongside rick owens. imo (and i'm someone with no desire to dress in a gothninja way) rick owens has done transformative and deeply impactful work for many many years for menswear AND womenswear. he is conceptually driven but has built an insanely strong brand and a lasting vision that has evolved over multiple seasons and permeated the rest of the fashion world. i think slimane can be measured to have the same "impact" if you just look at the amount of press they've gotten, but rick has an overall conceptual strength and a greater range that hedi when it comes to fashion contributions

but i have a strong bias towards designers who can effectively build menswear and womenswear brands that have distinct but related identities, where one doesn't feel like a diffusion line/weak offshoot.

for me such designers would be rick owens, dries van noten, jw anderson, thom browne. anyone else have ideas/favorites?

>>10659142
to just purely speak of the menswear (bc that's where i think he is knockout extraordinary) he does an amazing job of engaging with ideas of what is classical masculinity, classical masculine strength, classical WASP fashion, and subverting those concepts with sartorial provocations. i'll dump a few images to explain

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exaggerating the idea of a football linebacker (prototypical american symbol of youth, vigor, masculinity, power, status) through the enormous shoulders, to the point of ludicrousness/pastiche, maybe engaging with this idea of the fake showmanship of sports and the veneration of athletes (idk man i'm just telling you how i feel about it, this is not necessarily The Truth of thom browne, but this is why i respond to him)

the runway show as a whole also used a decent bit of leather accessories styled in a way that felt somewhat s&m/subversive in that respect

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using construction to exaggerate the idea of hypermasculine musculature, with pleated fabric expressing the fibrous ripples of muscle. pastel colors render it weirdly childlike and delicate. makeup again forces you to view it as a pastiche, as comical, so overall it kind of deconstructs and interrogates our fascination with muscle and strength in men

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engaging with typical WASP symbols (the navy, nautical shit, the anchor) with exaggerated proportions and odd cuts (the very trim waist, the billowy pants). the anchor motif is made fun and a bit kitschy in the way prep tends to re-emphasize motifs and iconography by displaying the anchors on the knees. the ruffled socks and the red lipstick are elements that are classically feminine, it feels like there's a narrative of the naval captain coming onto shore to woo a local girl but intriguingly encapsulated all in one person and one character, forcing a reconsideration of our viewpoint of a masculine naval hero

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>>10659255
i used to love iris van herpen but she's been really disappointing me. her collections are really so enormously lush, this fantastical concepts that are beautifully explored, some really great expressions of fashion x technology or fashion x biology, very modern technological manufactured shapes and biological organic fractal forms

fuck, talking about her has me excited about her stuff again. but sometimes i feel there's this gap where iris is very out there in terms of concept and she cannot bring it down into a wearable garment to save her life. in some senses she feels like more of a sartorial sculptor than a fashion designer to me, bc i have a lot of trouble seeing her clothing as having a specific and intimate relationship with the human body. like the clothes and the body do not work together to realize the garment—rather, it is a conceptual garment that just needs to hang on a body but doesn't interact with it

lots of stuff feels very "wow, 3d printing" but in a way that is ultimately flat???

idk here's a picture of one of my favorite looks though

>>10659476
yesssssssss agreed, alessandro michele has been such a knockout and terribly engaging

kind of reserving judgment on margiela. tbf i wasn't the biggest fan of galliano at dior, though. i went into a boutique recently and thought that the f/w stuff was a beautiful representation of margiela themes with a galliano hand (his kind of luxury and excess but turned towards really interrogating deconstructionism)

but! he's still so new and honestly after martin left his house there was such a looooooong period of stagnation, imo

vetements and jw anderson are just the best

are you a guy btw? i feel like many guys are deeply in love with uc women's, but i often feel that there's this jumble in the subcultures they reference. maybe it doesn't translate well since i've grown up largely used to western streetstyle, but there's a cuteness to uc womenswear that feels curious and dated. but in general i am a huge fan

>>10667008
Actually, this is new romantic inspired.

>>10666191
friend of mine owns rick, people fucking love her geobaskets when we go out together. as a singular piece there is something strong and personable and striking to them and the visceral reaction isn't always "oh, ugly, weird" or w/e...have seen basic bitches in zara get excited and interested by them and chat her up.

i do actually think there is an appeal to rick for "normal" people and it's often in the elements that are more sportswear focused and street-y (for menswear and womenswear). there are also incredibly elegant and poetic pieces on the womenswear side that sell well to wealthy women who aren't necessarily into fashion and want to be goth ninja or w/e

btw you are incredibly ignorant and should stop expressing your personal reactions as undiluted truth

>>10667022

Yes I am a guy

more than anything i love uc (esp. womens) because there is this alternate fantasy universe that is created, like it's this uncanny jumble as you say of fantastical and real world elements which i love, i think 1 thing im personally really inspired by are the childrens books that i read as a kid, both the type of art and the story, and jun's whole thing with the GILA / graces and all his twisted graphics and motifs totally are totally all about that childrens book thing that i have a thing for. other than that yeah i dont relate to much of his other stuff like the menswear, its like i want to but i didnt grow up with musical subcultures and tech jackets etc

yes its very cute im always torn between taking things very very seriously and being super luxurious baller maximalism like nn fw09 or haider ackermann & playful cute clothes like uc womens, cdg cdg, etc

regarding margiela yeah the team did a good job of keeping things coherent but the world and industry moved on, they weren't, the stuff that ended up in stores wasnt terribly engaging either, so im excited to see how galliano is adding a shitton of drama at the 'blank slate' of mmm, i read he is taking over menswear too and will present for the upcoming fw16 season, which i am very excited about but sad at the same time because i felt margiela mens was quite strong past couple seasons... but whatever the cool stuff never ends up in stores so cant buy it anyways

>>10666283
1. check out shows. when s/s or f/w shows come out (i often skip resort and pre-fall bc i'm lazy and they tend to be less game-changing and adventurous) go through vogue.com and nowfashion.com and just look at shows. read reviews too so you can get a sense for what fashion industry people respond to, what details they pick up on, what they think of diff collections (but be comfortable in having the opposite reaction, it's ok to like what you like as long as you try to understand other viewpoints)

2. it's really helpful to subscribe to a few fashion blogs or at least read their reviews during fashion seasons. i really like reading dazed reviews in general, susie lau of style bubble, cathy horyn (previously ny times, now at the cut) and alexander fury.

3. talk to people about it. i mean, go on /fa/ and make threads and post some looks and hope to god you get some anons interested in having a serious discussion. idk. honestly /fa/ is not good at runway show discussions so i usually take it to other places

>>10659110
top cringe friend

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>>10659063
In order where 1 is my favorite
1. Yusuke Takahasi
2. Yves Saint Laurent
3. Sk8thing and co
4. Shayne Oliver
5. Takahiro Miyashita
Really would like to hear opionions and shitposting about my list.

>>10667003
>>10667005
>>10667008

you know im doing a homework assignment inspired by secret societies at prestigious universities and totally forgot this is exactly what thom does so fucking well i often forget how much of a genius he is, also i realized this shit is fucking hard, people critique designers for always 'doing the same thing' / 'building off the same idea' but in some cases thats actually fucking harder than reinnovating every season because it's like 'what can i add to this dialogue now' and you're just digging deeper and fucking deep

his presentations are phenomenal too

vetements is super smart right place at the right time doing the right thing, alot of it is gimmicky which i dont like but you gotta bankroll your business someway

very excited to see what demna gvasalia will do at balenciaga, but hope the work at vetements doesnt suffer, its only like 4 seasons old and id like to see it evolve past the established house design vocabulary and staples. i feel like theyve pinpointed an essense of the now but would like to see them take that further, its great but not like one of the 'greats' level great you know? more like an exciting contemporary up and comer..

actually wtf am i saying? thats exactly what theyre going for and why theyre so successful.. idk i think itd be cool to see a more sophisticated part of what they got going on as well, maybe that'll shine through at balenciaga

>>10666283

https://www.youtube.com/user/SHOWstudio/videos

This is probably the easiest entry. Industry figures discussing fashion shows and fashion weeks as a whole

give the panel discussions a listen whenever you got free time, morning coffee, commutes, etc

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>>10664854
You cant "fail" at being a tailor. It's a trade, you learn it like plumbing and are set for life. Failed fashion designers become tailors brah. McQueen was just too busy coked the fuck out in the basement of Gieves and Hawkes pissing over all the old suits down there, then he went and started his own thing.

imo, speaking purely from a menswear perspective:

>Jil Sander
> Raf
> Yohji
> McQueen
> Galliano