/d/ Meta Thread

first for wtf they seriously banned /efg/?

>>7522409
So how many threads does each fetish need? Let's not avoid the issue.

Does futa need as many threads as it has?

>>7522409
it is pretty sad how easily baited they are desu famalam

>>7522420
I think Futa has both enough artists and enough... 'followers' to warrant a rather large variety of threads.

There's a very big futa spectrum desu.

>>7522409
I've been coming to /d/ since '08 and haven't exactly been a common visitor for the past two years. What the fuck is happening exactly?
If it's the issue of too many posts and not enough pics, do we just need a ratio then?

>>7522437
Nope, dickMod is pretty specific in only targeting a few specific threads.

If it were just the image to post ratios we would have lost like 10% of the board.

>>7522434
Depends on how you rank bleed over, does a bondage futa belong in the futa, bondage or a dedicated thread?

Were seeing a lot of dedicated threads towards more niche futa.

>>7522451
Well, lots of people don't like to mix their futa/trap/gay and their straight stuff, so futaposters avoid doing that often.

>>7522451

The problem with futa is that there are still a lot of people who don't like it, so they don't want futa in their bondage threads. Futa isn't really a fetish anymore either, so there's no reason for there to be a generic futa thread.

It sucks but it's still kind of necessary. If /efg/ is embarrassed female general, there's no reason for that here. It's an /e/ fetish.

>>7522451
I hate to be that guy but I remember when we didn't have mods. There weren't exactly that many issues either.
What exactly is being deleted? I know the /r9k/ fools have been flooding here in some threads, and that the femdom threads have descended into /soc/-tier sadness.

As for futa, let then keep to their niches. Not everyone who likes futa likes bondage or rape, and then there's that age old debate of balls or no. Futa is so widespread it's crazy that anyone would expect it to stay to one or two threads.

>>7522458
>embarrassed female general

ha, it is (was) erotic fiction general, ie /d/ smut

>>7522464
Are you telling me there's an issue against writefags now too?

>>7522468
mod doesn't like words

>>7522463
anything with too much text, (captions/efg) and censorship&denial threads (because he doesn't get it, mostly.)
wouldn't be surprised if he went after chastity threads next because "hurr why would people lock their genitals in a porn board?"
also
>implying this is a porn board and not NSFW/tg/-lite

>>7522463
The writing, cyoa, voice and i think one or two others.

>>7522468
Has been for years.

This has been a long standing issue, despite a fair number of users persistently being interested, /d/ authorities has been weirdly hostile to basically anything involving words. Captions, quest and the remains from the /tg/ purge were all swiftly smothered.

Also at the moment were hovering at roughly 20 threads with (or close) to a 2 - 1 ratio an a handful over that(mostly discussion) with /d/ games aproaching a 5-1 ratio.

>>7522468
Yup, literally everything community based was banned. The purpose of 4chan, the whole reason for anonimity, the reason for jewpasses being the way they are to want to contribute more, the way the site gives priority to newer threads instead of old ones, is lost once you take that away.

Might as well consider /d/ dead since reddit invaded and as OP's pic shows, thinks it's funny to mess to people's lewds. They also think its funny to leave furshit like the dragon thread and "monster"girl (anthro animal girl) thread out of this because it's also funny to watch people complain about it.

In other words, pack up and join a /d/ discord somewhere, because /d/ is kill.

>>7522458
Futas are male with boobs,so they are usually used by homos to project their fantasies on kids.
Everyone understands what traps are but with futa things get complicated,there is still pedophilia in this world.

>>7522480
>>7522481
If we have a mod that hates writing, he shouldn't be a mod. /d/ style writing, be it CYOA or captioning, isn't an issue. Now if the question is how much is reposted, everything is a repost of a repost. If the issue is quality of said reposts, at least it's in it's own thread. We used to do this all the time when monstergirls just didn't exist beyond those one-page comics from that one guy who made Monster Musume. We also used to do this with alien threads until it both became mainstream. I understand that /aco/ doesn't have this problem.

>>7522495
I remember when we had /d/ hookup threads. It was both a bdsm general thread for safety and fun, and a place to meet up. It wasn't cancer like the femdom threads because no one cared about what you liked, unless they liked it too.

Speaking of really old shit, anyone remember Paparu Koneko?

>>7522495
got any good /d/ grade discord servers?

>>7522504
>>7522504
None I'm willing to post and get banned for. I just got a jewpass, so I want to use that shit to it's full extent. Getting banned just means a wasted $20, and time I could have used posting elsewhere instead of a ban crazy board

The biggest issue I have with these sudden "lol it's not /d/ content" thread bans is that it's not like threads were being pushed off because of them, meanwhile there's at least two sub-10 post threads for specific artists, several threads that should probably be on /y/ (male vore, fat males, and giant males), a couple of think veiled scat threads, and the goddamn "animals fucking human women" thread that are left alone.

It's a rule that seems like it was made up solely to antagonize a specific style of thread. If we were seeing this strict rules reinforcement across the board, it wouldn't bother me as much.

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here we go again

tell us again how on a website where you have no rights and the mods are expressly allowed in the rules to do whatever they want you have somehow been subjected to an "injustice" when literally nothing has happened because this is a website and isn't real

>>7522495
>literally everything community based

Except for literally every other thread. Your threads weren't special. You weren't the only communities on /d/. The fact you can actually think this way is insulting to every single other community on this board.

What makes even less sense is you acknowledge the existence of discords... you know, COMMUNITIES.

>>7522513
Go back to sucking the mods cock, its the only thing your good at.

>>7522516
watch out buddy, your on the list too.

>>7522511
it's almost like that's not really why they were banned, and they got banned for being autistic as fuck, posting cringey shit, and causing problems by acting as a gateway to low quality shit, and the mods used the rules as an excuse to get rid of a serious problem

which makes it sounds like they're doing their jobs as mods

>>7522519
you're*

weren't your threads mostly about writing? isn't that the kind of thing you should know about?

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>>7522513
You seem to understand that the mods are abusive, which is literally a problem.
And do you think it's not a problem that should be talked about?
Even if the site isn't "real" it still affects people and people should talk about it, because, you know, they make up the actual community.

>>7522530
If you didn't read the rules before posting, that's your problem. If not a single person in your community read the rules before posting, that's all your problems. If not a single person in your community has been on /d/ long enough to know that you were allowed to post out of leniency, not because of some dubious interpretation of rules which the mods aren't even required to follow, then that's your fault.

I've yet to hear a single thing that is the mods' fault. Let me know when you come up with one. It's not the mods responsibility to sit every single person down and make them read the rules. If you don't understand the rules, ask. Don't just presume you're allowed because no one said "stop".

If you didn't read the rules, understand them, ask about them, then why is it anyone else's responsibility to do that for you? Are you children incapable of doing anything for yourselves? Are you invalids? Mentally unfit? If that's the case, you shouldn't be here anyway.

Since you all got banned you've been showing everybody quite perfectly that you don't have the maturity to be here, and this thread is no different. Until you stop whining and complaining and show some responsibility instead of screaming and blaming everyone but yourselves I can guaruntee you that you're either never going to get unbanned, or at the very least if you ever do, you'll be the black sheep of the board the way previous communities have been.

Go ahead and scream at me, like it's my fault or the mods' fault you got banned. You'll just be proving my point.

>>7522541
>inb4 10+ replies to this and every single one of them evades the points

>>7522541
Imo they should change the rules. I didn't participate in those threads but they certainly didn't bother me and it at least keeps the board more active. /d/ is slow, it can afford to keep those threads around.

>It's the mods fault theyre abusing the rules
>It's the fault of people reporting us
>It's people bullying us
>It's everyone else but us
>We did nothing wrong
>We are perfect
>Stop criticising us
>We got banned because everyone else is wrong and we're right

do let me know when you think you're being misrepresented when we quote you

>>7522542
>the points

>Mods can do no wrong!
>You don't have rights!
>Should've followed rules that didn't exist before a mod retroactively invoked them!
>You'll never get your precious communities back unless you worship the ground the mods walk on!
>Posters simply do not matter! [sounds of /d/ dying in the background]
>You all
>You all
>You all

it's just autistic screeching, same as usual for our beloved shitposter-kun

>>7522541
The rules are subjective, and if used to target YOUR community for literally no reason, you'd be "screaming" too

>>7522550
Low quality threads have low quality content. The more threads which are full of low quality content, the more other threads have low quality content posted in them, because people see low quality shit and think that makes it acceptable to post it everywhere else. That in turn makes it seem like low quality content is more prevalent, which makes people think it's more relevant, and more acceptable, and it turns into a deadly cycle.

>>7522551
>>7522554
If you needed any proof that you guys are just being baited by people pretending to be on both sides of the argument, here it is.

You are being tricked into acting immaturely, because it makes banning you seem more justifiable.

>>7522556
No I really wouldn't, because imageboards don't matter to me that much. I don't see getting banned on a website as a "tragedy of justice", I get up from my computer and go outside instead, because it doesn't matter.

>>7522558
Low quality is subjective
This just means "everything I'm not into is 'low quality' and we should ban it"
I don't understand this at all
Just don't click on the thread?

>>7522560
Look at this loser, being here just to be autistic.

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>>7522561
This reminds me of an old screencap.

By your argument, low quality is in the eye of the beholder, and everyone's art is equally good. There is no such thing as high or low quality art, right? So everything should be allowed? We shouldn't have any kind of standards on /d/?

>>7522564
/d/ is pretty much the alternative to all other hentai.
It's where people just come to touch their peepees.
As long as the baseline rules are clear cut and defined, such as no furshit, no scat and no gore, which are full on tags, it's okay.
But recently, I guess it hasn't been.

>>7522564
You are being a completely disingenuous cocksleeve. Consider walking away from your device and into an open manhole.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

>>7522558
Now that would be understandable if it were applied consistently, the issue here being thats its not.


There are numerous low quality threads that remain untouched, regardless of content so long as it is not on specific topics

>>7522566
Why does being alternative have to mean we allow shitty content?

>>7522561
>>7522569
>low quality is subjective
>give an example of low quality
>FUCK YOU FAGGOT

Glad to see you're as mature as
>>7522541
said you were.

I'm going to take your advice, and get up from my PC, go into town and enjoy the sunshine. I feel sorry for anyone who is so invested in a porn site on the internet that they are unable to do the same, and they're going to waste precious moments of their life posting the same opinions over and over in the hopes of creating an echo chamber which will, in some vain hope, make other people care about something which doesn't matter as much as they do.

>>7522571
you could quote this and put it in the sticky

pretty much sums up the whole argument

>>7522571
this

>>7522566
>no furshit
>"monster" girl thread still up
>even though that shit is just scaly/furry girls but pre-fixed monster instead of animal
>expecting mods to actually do their jobs here instead of shitpost
>expecting nu-4chan redditor mods to do their jobs and not just leave actual rule-breaking to make you mad for the "lulz"
Lol at your life m8. There's nothing you can do but cry about it

/d/ was one of my most regular places to check out, mostly due to the captions and whatnot, now that that shit's gone, I've barely been coming here, since all the other stuff is readily available in other sites, this sucks, the mods are absolute faggots.

>>7522571
Prove that the overwhelming majority of content in every banned thread was of sufficiently low quality to justify being banned. You can start with the erotic fiction threads.

>>7522571
>shitty content
Subjective argument. Rules have always been clear cut as was stated. No gore, no scat and no furshit. The new mods are just having a good ol' giggle at your sufferring.

And I used to think the /co/ and /mlp/ killers were dumb. But I guess fighting for what makes you happy isn't as dumb as I though

>>7522551
>>7522554
wow this is really pathetically obvious. do you guys get that you're being baited yet? or do you need more proof?

protip: if you're feeling emotionally invested and upset, that's exactly what they want. they have tried their damnedest to make you feel that way because it makes you so much easier to talk rings around in these threads, and your arguments get flustered, less coherent, easier to defeat. they turn this very minor issue into a huge argument, it's life and death, tyranny, oppression, etc, because then it makes you guys look like morons to literally any outside observer.

you guys have been falling for this over and over for more than a week now. wake the fuck up.

>>7522571
>blueberry thread has low quality westaboo image
>still not removed
It has never been about quality, it has always been about what gave you a boner

>>7522558
>this much slippery slope fallacy
the board quality was fine beforehand. if anything it will be lower now because a bunch of people are gonna be pissed off and leave, reducing amount of content regardless of quality. I'd rather have a lot of diverse content with some questionable quality stuff mixed in than much less stuff but of high quality.
>>7522564
As long as it isn't garbage mspaint tier shit and has reasonably correct anatomy, I don't have a problem with it. A lot of very niche fetishes are mostly fueled by amateur content.

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>>7522580
I'll start with the CYOA threads if that's okay with you, since we have folders full of proof pre-prepared.

>>7522572
>art about things I find weird is low quality!
>creates immense discussion about the nature of art, artistic license, dignity, and the human experience
>low quality

you tricked yourself, fampai

>>7522585
>I don't have a problem with it.
And of course you are the arbiter of all art. You decide what quality means, right? Ironically, very subjective.

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>>7522580

>>7522582
Some people just like to argue, my man. As for outside observers, we're anonymous.

>remember that time a few guys got mad in a /d/ thread?
said no one ever

>>7522585
No slopes, anon. More like Herd Immunity.
https://www.vaccines.gov/basics/protection/index.html

Low quality art is infectious. If you give it a foothold, the deviantartists will feel welcome again. It took us years to get rid of them, I don't think anyone does, or should, want to see them back.

>>7522589
Ideally the "low quality" rule shouldn't be a thing. It really does become a "ban anything I don't like" rule in the wrong hands

>>7522593
you WERE anonymous, but then you personified these threads so hard. i say you, probably they.

anyone can look at this thread and say "there are the remnants of the banned communities". you are individually anonymous, but in a group, like in this thread, you have an identity, a very easily relatable one, too.

>>7522586
STOP liking what I don't like
people CANNOT be allowed to enjoy this
BAN THEM

>>7522596
You obviously weren't here for the special snowflake fetish wars, anon.

Trust me. The rules on every board exist for a good reason. They are the results of years of problems. Even if the mods are abusing them, the alternative is MUCH worse.

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>>7522582
Neither side has ever been coherent. These threads just give enough content for the sekrit club on normiebook for us to laugh at. Face it, you guys are never gonna win, and /d/-fags are the biggest doormats to exist, so I doubt you guys will get your own killer either.

This drama is almost as fun as laughing at both sides during the 2016 murrican prez election.

>>7522589
some measures of quality are objective, i.e. how correct is the anatomy, and does it not use mspaint.
There's an obvious difference between someone who scratched shit out in mspaint in 10 minutes and something with a modicum of effort and care put into it's creation.
>>7522586
>>7522590
I don't really see how this is low quality, these are just character sheets. not my thing, but it would be sad to loose some board population.
>>7522603
>special snowflake fetish wars
fill me in senpai, I don't know about this

>>7522600
you asked for low quality posts/content, here you go

don't be upset when we actually find a lot of it, because the threads were rife with it

>>7522606
this isn't an ERP board, people posting their ERP furry characters is detrimental, especially when entire threads become devoted to nothing but that

but i think these arguments have been made in the last 3 threads, so please refer back to those

>>7522598
Being the pet obsession of discord and IRC cancers isn't something I imagine most /d/enizens mind; all they do is provide more posts and make meta threads like these more visible. If they really wanted this issue to die, they'd stop posting. But they won't, because they feed on drama like all losers.

>>7522603
Nope, never heard of it. And I've been here for a long time, I just never clicked threads that didn't interested me.

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>>7522558

Totally reasonable sounding, but is it actually true? As those threads got more popular was there meaningfully more low quality stuff *outside* those threads? Now that they're gone, is there meaningfully less low quality stuff?

Mods can do whatever they want, it's just annoying is all.

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>>7522511
>male vore, fat males, and giant males
How are none of these /d/-related? "BAAAAWW IT'S MALE FETISH CONTENT" doesn't stop it from being alternative hentai. In fact we should probably see even more male fetish stuff here since that's alternative as fuck compared to women with big TnA in hentai.

>a couple of think veiled scat threads
If you don't actually see poop, it's not "guro" and therefore allowed. Let's start calling vore threads "thinly disguised gore threads" next because of the implication of people being digested to death.

Some of the people in this thread are just whiny children who don't know how to use filters.

>>7522606
You don't know, man. You weren't there. All I'll say is the rules are there for a reason. Specific fetishes are banned for a reason.

Other than the occasional non-/d/ thread like "Long hair!" showing up, my only complaint at the overt /lgbt/ trannyposters who show up to play amateur psychologist in certain threads. That shit needs to be permabanned on sight.

>>7522617
it's low quality bullshit. Come on, we've been having this discussion for hours.
Low quality = ban
Nothing complicated here

>>7522613
If you really think it's just discords and IRCs at this point, that lack of self awareness is alarming.

You just said
>provide more posts and make meta threads like these more visible

That's not a good thing. These threads are being intentionally manipulated to make you look bad to any outside observer. I wouldn't be surprised if the vast majority of /d/ thinks you're a bunch of chodes.

>>7522611
and likewise, we're waiting for the globalized fetish threads to be banned. Seems like it's not actually about ERP shit at all, though, so maybe you shouldn't mischaracterize mod actions to benefit your own wrong ideas.

>>7522615
see
>>7522595

>>7522624
>>7522521

>>7522621

Yup no nuance here
Nope not a one

>>7522614
top kek

that convo was cringey as fuck anyway, they did you a favour

>>7522621
we should probably ban most of the people in edit threads then.

>>7522622
Oh heavens, users with no power to change anything think users with no power to change anything are a problem!

What will the public think of our precious fetish community?!

Get a fucking grip

>>7522626
>>7522600

>>7522625

Makes sense, in theory, but was ~months not enough for a "foothold"? If it was, we'd have seen the infection. I don't click like 90% of what's on here so I honestly don't know if other fetishes were getting invaded.

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>>7522632
I forget 4chan isn't remotely a democracy
This is why the smaller communities of Reddit are better

>>7522632
If you don't care what everyone else on /d/ thinks, more power to you. Thats your prerogative.

But just so you know, that lack of board awareness, lack of community, is why /bdsmg/ aren't here anymore. Eventually they pissed everyone else on the board off so much that their threads were being bombarded with shit every time they made one.

I've seen it happen before anon, I've seen all of this happen before, and it's all heading in the exact same direction. After /bdsmg/ got unbanned, the rest of /d/ never forgave them for how they acted while they were banned. It was like that scene in FMJ when they beat the shit out of the fat guy.

You might get your threads back to find the trolls never leave, and they've multiplied in number a dozen times, and they shitpost every thread you make into oblivion.

If I was you, I wouldn't underestimate what everyone else thinks of you. There's a lot more of them than there are of you, after all.

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>>7522636
>REDDIT IS BETTER BECAUSE MUH FREEDOMS

>>7522636
finally, we can all agree on something

that this guys a faggot

>>7522635
Of course we would've, anyone could've created a metathread at any time to say "hey, these captions are flooding our threads" or "hey, less stories, more images."

But of course that never happened, because it was never an issue. /d/ threads are mostly self-contained. Why would someone who faps to futa go into an inflation thread? Or why would someone who posted in /efg/ post their fiction in a futa thread? This stuff just doesn't get crossposted.

>>7522637
If the hate for [X] banned thread were authentic, you'd see it outside the meta threads beforehand (ie during these past few months). That hate doesn't exist, it's almost purely manufactured.

>>7522644
That hate hasn't really begun yet, because people who are banned have only just started to shitpost in other threads. When people realise that's not going to stop, that you're going to keep shitposting about being banned in other threads, THEN you'll see it.

>>7522647

Given the actions of shitposter-kun and his ilk, I have absolutely no doubt that 75-90% of the supposed shitposting in other threads is them intentionally trying to piss off those fappers.

>>7522649
given that the only person who uses the phrase "shitposter-kun" in these threads is a confirmed troll
>>7522551
>>7522554
i think no one gives a shit what you think

>>7522649
Yeah it's pretty obvious now that you, whos been calling everyone that tries to bring any kind of order to these threads shitposter kun, is just here to stir shit. Nice try faggot.

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>>7522647
>you're

I have a dayjob, shitposters don't, so I guess they'll just have to be annoying for me while I'm at work

>>7522650

I'm sorry you're late to the party, but there's a specific shitposter-kun we speak of and if you weren't late to the party you'd know of who we speak. Suffice to say, he is deserving of the -kun. He'll probably show up in tomorrow's afternoon EST.

>>7522652
pretty sure no one is taking those strawpolls seriously anymore anon, it's just as likely that either side in this argument is abusing them to try to make the other side look bad

>>7522654
you already proved to everyone in this thread you're just a troll, give it up, they're stupid but they're not stupid enough to ignore it when it's right in front of their faces

>>7522656
you act like there's just one person who uses the name shitposter-kun

>>7522659
>damage control

>>7522659

Anon please this is just embarassing.

Why the flying fuck were caption threads removed?

>>7522666
Your community started to let shit captions be posted with no criticism. People like you're-chan who can't spell. You should have done something about it.

>>7522666
Internet fetish drama? I really don't get it either. I don't give a shit about fetish communities on these other platforms, I prefer my status as an anonymous lurker. This is super cliched and frankly, really confounding.

I'm mostly just disappointed in the administration of 4chan in the era of our new owner. It's really not just this board, I feel as though moderation is generally more poor than ever on most boards, as of recent at least /mu/. The threads they allow are shameful and full of hollow discussion, it's horrific.

This is really sad too. I like this board a lot and lurk in a lot of threads, but I really did like the erotic fiction general thread and the caption thread, too. I just wanna get off. I share this board with people who have fetishes I can't fathom. I don't mind. Hell, EFG and captions are mostly miss for me, I'm really only interested in maybe 1/4 of what's in them. I just really like that 1/4. Same thing with this board.

I'm totally willing to share. I don't harbor any kind of ill will to people with other fetishes. I'm often exposed to kinks I'd never otherwise indulge in here, and I love it. This board would be molasses slow without broad communities of perverts. This only is going to hurt /d/.

Right now it's just this half dozen or so threads. But, if there really are fetish communities plotting against others (which feels like a MDE bit, might I add), they're only hurting themselves. There's a fetish totem pole, and guess what? Fiction made by horny people isn't pretty usually, usually it fucking sucks. So yeah it's at the bottom. But there's a good chance you're have a kink that isn't much higher up.

Anyway, I think if you're gonna participate in the conversation you should be able to ignore obvious trolls. I'm not here to argue or flame, because I really doubt that will do anything, I just wanted to empathize with those who want to get rid of something I enjoy.

Fuck discord I don't want to use i

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>>7522541
"No bestiality, guro, scat, and other extreme stuff, and no western art"

Please anon, point to anywhere in the official board rules it says posts that foster community or discussion aren't allowed. Here's the rules, right here. This is what the mods are hired to enforce, on top of making sure everything is legal. If you're going to quote that caveat under the global rules at me, paraphrasing it as "mods can do whatever they want", then ask yourself what the point of even having rules in the first place is? There's no point in laws if you just decide to not enforce them, or to enforce your own made-up rules instead. If you're seriously arguing for mods to just do whatever they want, I hope you like EXACTLY what the mods do, or you're going to feel very stupid when they finally come for what you're into.

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>>7522621
>low quality content is defined by me

>>7522690
No shit, they've also invaded /a/ calling crossboarders newfags and banning people with non-anime reaction images too, even cross-over edits weren't exempt from that. Hiroshim00t is really killing this place, guess that's revenge for the nukes or something

>>7522700
The mods won't attack us that don't care about your /trash/
>>7522636
You're pretty close to the mark, if they don't like it they can just migrate to a different website or board. They won't because they have a blindspot that makes going to any other chan or even reddit seem like a horrible idea, even though it means they'll be free to continue posting rubbish, with their fellow rubbishposters. Literally bought into the "4chan is the only good website" meme.

>>7522753
I used to think that when the caption threads were gone and the censor threads were alive. Now censor threadposters are literally living their fetish. Guess /d/ will just /d/ie then.

I just don't get why there's such a focus on images over text. I mean I can operate gelbooru or whatever on my own, I don't come here for the images. I come here for the discussion and commentary. And even if I loved /d/ images, it's way too slow to provide constant content.

>>7522777
Exactly. what's the point of an imageboard without the board? This is basically the only place for niche content discussion that isn't mind bendingly slow.

>>7522420
I like futa but not traps; combining the two bugs me a bit but having ALL futa-type fetishes in one or two trail mix threads sounds downright awful to me.
Nothing takes me out of the moment like broad shoulders to go with that meaty dick, and I know there are others who feel similar

>messy thread is full of low quality images and westshit
MODS

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>4chan.org/feedback
HOLY SHIT, this existed?
Wait, I forgot I was on 4chan, even the mods don't give a shit.

All the things being contested here were assumed by everyone to be deleted on sight back in 2008-2010.

This board was created for hentai of the alternative nature. i.e. Japanese drawn pornography and nothing else. Back then a thread could last multiple months; these days people remake the same thread every single week with the exact same reposts. Now a person can not upload a doujin and expect it to be present the next day. This has severely discouraged posting of new content, and led to these 'generals'. That's now how you post content. That's cancer.


Back then there was a dedicated moderator that would delete multiple pages of low quality and/or off-topic content, but that person disappeared and /d/ has devolved into the state that it currently is in.

Really it is the lack of moderation of /d/ that has created the idea that these things that break the rules of the board are allowed. They were never allowed, they simply slid by because /d/ has had a severe lack of moderation.

Some of you may have been here for many years, and believe that the amount of time you spent here while posting such content justifies it, simply because it was not moderated. The reality is you have been re-purposing /d/ for your own interests, not that of the original goal of this board. And your presence has almost completely drowned out the original users of this board.

If some of you were sensible and have been here as long as I have, you would understand this and understand that you should be arguing for a board that suits your interests, not the re-purposing of /d/. The creation of a western board was one of these things, but it did not capture all of the contraband topics that were present in /d/, hence the pushback that people such as yourselves created.

The reality is that you do not belong on /d/. Neither does your content. What you should be arguing for is a board that serves your interests, and not to take change a board that has been neglected over the history of 4chan.

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>>7522858
>board evolved into having community driven content which people were happy to participate in
>which was the main target of the system of 4chan to begin with
>nature of board encouraged not clicking threads that which the topic does not interest you
>then this faggot comes along and complains about shit that he had no reason to see
OH BOY, OH GOODIE, THERE'S THREADS FULL OF FURSHIT AND OTHER THREADS FULL OF LOW QUALITY WESTSHIT, AND THIS GENTLEMAN RIGHT HERE THINKS HE KNOWS JACK SHIT ABOUT THIS PLACE. WE REALLY FELL OFF THE DEEP END AFTER REDDIT INVADED WHEN /pol/ WELCOMED THOSE FAGGOTS

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>>7522858
>people take stabs at making content
>some content is not as good and gets related feedback to be better next time
>this faggot thinks that's cancer
You sound pretty cancerous to me anon. Just because you never felt love, you can never give it back. You're a cancer onto society, just do yourself a favor and end yourself

>>7522858
>implying
I've been here since 2009. Nothing of what you're describing ever happened.

>>7522858
There are a lot of things wrong with your post, but an everything but furshit board (because if you allow that it will flood the board, they already have /trash/) that's a cross between /aco/ and /d/ would be a good thing to have in my opinion.

>>7522870
Most furry stuff is western though. It seems a little redundant to have a board for western stuff and a board for everything but a certain western subject. Like imagine if /h/ was every kind of hentai except futa.

>>7522857
>you should report them
BULLSHIT
http://desuarchive.org/d/thread/7496696/#7501298
THESE
PEOPLE
ARE
FULL
OF
SHIT

>>7522877
no furshit is already global everywhere but /b/ and /trash/ anyway
I have no issue with the content but any place it's allowed tends to become dominated by it, plus they already pretty much have their own whole board over in /trash/. Well over 50% of the threads are furshit.

>>7522889
Then why the absolute fuck are they in /d/?

>>7522891
because the /d/ mods are shit.
also said hypothetical board could also allow non western stuff, maybe loosen rule 3 a little.

>>7522891
See >>7522884

>>7522892
Too late, already made a whole board to justify removing it.
At this point I'm just going to help these mods make their ideal board so the actual posters here can speed up a solution after half the fucking board is banned.

>>7522897
>/d/ posters doing anything
Like >>7522604 said, all you fags are fucking doormats. You'll never do anything for yourself. You'll never fight for what makes you happy. You will NEVER get what you want.

Those who have alternatives already left to those places, those who don't have alternatives are still here crying about it. You've got nothing faggot.

Ok, I'm not here for like a few days and I see this stuff. What is going on exactly?

>>7522907
I already have alternatives for what I want. I'm clearing /d/ of anyone else who mistakenly thinks they're welcome.
Not my fault if it turns into a fucking joke wasteland. And joke+vore. And joke+vore+futa. And joke+vore+futa+hats. And joke+futa+hats.

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Oh God, to see all you fags get cuckolded by having something taken away from you and being destroyed like this. THIS is the kind of porn thread I need.

>>7522913
A bunch of losers are losing their board, and I get to jerk off to reading them cry about it

>>7522916
Is it about those stupid text-based threads like those CYOS or whatever they where called where people where allergic to posting pictures and only posted ''Rolling'' ?

>>7522919
Yup, and every other faggot too

>>7522924
Actually the faggot threads seem perfectly fine.
>>7486035
>>7466927
>>7522127

>>7522924
Good. That shit was borderline neo-/b/ stuff and shouldn't have been on /d/ in the first place.

>>7522927
>/y/ threads are still up
SASUGA MODS

>>7522927
Traps aren't gay, the dicks only make it better.
>>7522929
Pretty sure traps aren't welcomed on /y/ actually, yaoi is generally slightly more manly.

>>7522930
Good news, we have that too!
>>7479320
>>7462781
Remember, fat people and tiny buildings are high quality.
BUT WAIT
WE CAN GO HIGHER
>>7491203

>>7522930
I see a trap thread over there and it seems like they are enjoying it.

>>7522930
>pictures of men
>men fucking men
>petite men with fat dicks
>fat men
They're men, they go into /y/, unless you're about to tell me they're boys, in which case, underage material is banworthy too

Muscles, anyone?
>>7457034
>>7448884
>>7501967
>>7476969

>>7522932
Those are obviously not /y/ material because they're weird mate.
>>7522933
That might be a slightly recent change then. I always thought traps and such was better fit on /d/.
>>7522935
I'm not going to discuss why traps are different from normal dudes.

>>7522937
Explain how those threads do not belong. Here is a small sample of /y/ content.
>>>/y/2373364
>>>/y/2395710
>>>/y/2385382
>>>/y/2392704
>>>/y/2398896
>>>/y/2393324
>>>/y/2391459
>>>/y/2401418
>>>/y/2402146

>>7522943
Maybe those threads don't belong on /y/ either?

>>7522937
In all honesty, traps propably still belong on /d/, simply cause not every trap art is going to be male on male or male solo.

Defend these too while you're at it.
>>7354227
>>7505246
>>7502554

>>7522944
Then why are every single one of them 1 to 4 months old?

>>7522495
>Monster girls
>furry
This fucking guy.

Come on my dude, you said obviously. Did you not have a response in mind when that male+shitpost dribbled out of your mouth?

>>7522513
> the mods are expressly allowed in the rules to do whatever they want
wrong.
The mods job is to serve the community. they aren't allowed to do whatever they want if it hurts the community.

You can go back to baiting retards now. Be sure to tell future threads how these arguments were presented and debunked!

>>7522947
This has already been explained in these threads.
>>7522950
I'm sorry, but I don't have time to babysit retards 24/7.
>>7522951
One of these is actually in the rules, the other isn't.

I don't particularly care that the threads were deleted - there are alternatives. 4chan's size and centralization made things easier, but this sort lazy moderation and outright encouraging mods to be subjective never ends well for anyone.

I've been around long enough to see various sites and platforms come and go. And the 'going' almost always starts with moderation getting less consistent, until enough people have been driven away to death spiral the site.

/d/ is niche, but 4chan's revenue is overwhelmingly from adult boards according to web statistics, and is barely making ends meet as is. How many 'weird porn boards' have to die, reducing revenue, before Hiroyuki determines 4chan isn't worth it anymore (he's on record already complaining about the site) and pulls the plug?

I cannot see who in the long run benefits from driving out niche groups one by one over the site. It's just baffling.

>>7523041
>/d/ is niche, but 4chan's revenue is overwhelmingly from adult boards according to web statistics, and is barely making ends meet as is.
kek

I'm still not quite sure why the censorship threads were banned. Last time I was in one, people shat on the anons posting low quality images

>>7522970
>>7522974
God it's fucking poetic. This is perhaps the most cowardly post on the site right now. You can literally feel the insecurity coming out of the text.

>>7522974
>This has already been explained in these threads.
Then paste it.
http://desuarchive.org/d/
This shouldn't be a problem if you remember it, right? Paste exactly why mods are taking 4 months and counting remove a supposed against the rules /y/ thread.

>>7523094
I'm just fucking tired of explaining these things over and over again.
>>7523109
>Then paste it.
That would defeat the point.

>This shouldn't be a problem if you remember it, right?
No, it would still require action on my part. When all I'm trying do is to get people to research the topic before they post. I'm sick of spoonfeeding this simple shit to you people.

>>7523111
not one word of this post is an answer

>>7523113
Congratulations on knowing English?

>>7523117
not one word of this post is an answer

>>7522937
>Those are obviously not /y/ material because they're weird mate (Male fat/male inflation/male giant)
>>7522943
>Explain how those threads do not belong. Here is a small sample of /y/ content.
(Rape/Monster boys/Feet/Milking/Male pregnancy/Fat green people/Hyper dicks/Micro+Macro/Latex+Rubber)
>>7522944
>Maybe those threads don't belong on /y/ either?
>>7522947
>Then why are every single one of them 1 to 4 months old?
>>7522974
>This has already been explained in these threads.

Clear-cut summary for the lurkers. Three hours and rising without a proper answer. Will he fuck off until I leave again? Will he come up with something? Will I get banned? Very exciting stuff.

>>7523129
>"This has already been explained in these threads."
Fucking where?

>>7523147
The location is literally in your quote.

>>7523148
Fine, lets say I'm retarded, point it out to me, because I legit can't see it.

>>7523151
>Fine, lets say I'm retarded
Fine, fuck off retard.

>>7523148
>Male pregnancy is not weird
>Fat people are weird
Is this right?

>>7523154
I don't think so, why are you asking me?

>30 futa threads allowed with all manner of garbage
>BRAAAP threads with shitty photoshopped stink lines are allowed
>Captions aren't

mods can actually kill themselves

>>7523156
Too lazy, you do it

>>7523152
>literally no justification there
>insists there is
>can't point it out
Shit goes into /y/

>>7523129
Doesn't fucking matter. It's low quality content.

>>7523158
>>can't point it out
*won't

>>7523155
There are two locations where an explanation can be offered in >>7523129
>Those are obviously not /y/ material because they're weird mate
>Maybe those threads don't belong on /y/ either?

You just disagreed with the first point. Are you saying that the second one is the explanation?

>Maybe those threads don't belong on /y/ either?
>Then why are every single one of them 1 to 4 months old?
>This has already been explained in these threads. (Maybe those threads don't belong on /y/ either?)

Is this what's going on in your head?

>>7523159
Don't change the subject you fucking low quality vermin. Answer this question.

>>7523160
**can't
There's literally no excuse faggot

>>7523161
>You just disagreed with the first point.
Okay, we're at the point now where words are put in my mouth again. This is my last post.

>Are you saying that the second one is the explanation?
No. I thought that would be obvious.

>>7523161
>threads are in /y/
>they feature males
They belong in /y/ alright, and so do the rest of those from /d/. There, that's the justification

>>7523166
So, in conclusion, after five hours...
The threads don't belong on /y/ and the reason they haven't been deleted in over 4 months is because they don't belong on /y/.

>>7523169
Don't try to reason with them, they don't care.

>>7523169
The threads clearly don't belong on /d/ either since it's obviously low quality content

>>7523166
Every time someone posts shadman or dmitry or any other western garbage (hurr durr Russia isn't western) I die a little inside.

Well this new ban is proof of what we've known for months: The current mods are gigantic faggots incapable of administering a board without becoming senselessly butthurt and banning content that has been acceptable for years.

>>7522502
Hello newfag! Futas are females with dicks. Males with boobs are a different genre entirely called "BustyBoys".

>>7522503
I honestly think the amount of reposting that happens with CYOA threads is an issue, there's only a new CYOA every 1-2 months, we don't need a new thread with the same 10 CYOAs every single week.

But banning the content is a retarded solution. We need innovation from Hiromootki-san. What if e.g. when a thread reaches the bump limit, all of the text-only replies are deleted? Or what if we got a CYOA sticky so people wouldn't have to post the same CYOAs all the time?

>>7523212
Why not tweet at him with the issue?

>>7523212
I mean, the proof is right above you man. >>7523169
Literally, "threads that don't belong on /d/ get deleted because they don't belong on /d/"
Just grab your general and vacate. They have their head so far up their ass on this it could be a new fetish.

>>7522923
That is... surprisingly hot. Author have a name? Is it even in the booru?

>>7523215
By your logic, threads that belong on /y/, stay on /y/ because they belong in /y/.

So a lot of shit needs to migrate now.

>anthro threads
>not deleted because they called it monstergirls
>duplicate anthro threads
Okay now this is some bullshit

>>7523162
The answer is simply that shit is low quality content and should be removed.

Send emails to hiro if you actually want something to change.

>>7523237
Or tweet at him

>>7522858
Old fag of 2007 here, your full of shit.

>>7522923
That looks /d/ as fuck.

Can anyone tell me (without raging/trolling) how /d/raw isn't a fanart thread?

>two dozen homosexual threads at all times is fine
>caption threads are not

interesting tidbit, the cyoa thread in trash has fifty posters where this has 40

>>7523237
what's his email, anyway?

my number one complaint is can we please actually crack down on loli/shota? I hate seeing it, and this isn't /b/, so maybe enforce the rule that it isn't allowed?

>>7523228
You're the only one who thinks that monstergirls are furry, suck it up and ignore the threads.

>>7523287
They're doing the waiting tactic, where they wait for a month and then come back.

>>7523297
Global rule 3 does state that loli/shota isn't allowed, so the best option is to report all loli/shota you can find.
If the mod gives a shit for actual rules he'll do it.

>>7523118
not one word of this post is an answer

>>7523215
I need six images of "Heads up own asses" stat

>>7523312
You should be a comedian.

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>>7523281
First tell me how this doujin isn't fanart. Bonus points if you can tell me the difference between these high-quality translated words and a caption.

As for your query, maybe /d/raw was producing some original characters. We definitely know /futaquest/ was.

>>7522409
Sauce on the chick?

>>7523326
prepare for your dick to explode, my man

https://e-hentai.org/g/857177/3dffe6e2d0/
warning: set is out of order

>>7523324
This isn't drawn by somebody on /d/ making it not fanart on this board, and the meaning of the text was made by the original artist making it not a caption.

>>7523351
So it's just art/works by board users that's not allowed?

Better get rid of /dgg/ and e/d/it.

>the meaning of the original artist is important
I agree, that's why we need high-quality content like
>The insides of your pussy are coiling around me, Patchouli-sama
>Even though I'm a girl, I'm scraping your pussy with my penis
>It feels so good
and classic lines like
>It feels so good I can't stop moving my hips!!
and
>That's good. Don't hold anything back.

Truly great content. Now this is what I call high quality!

>>7523381
Jup, that's not what I said.

>>7523385
Then lay it out for me. I'm not understanding what you're trying to say.

>>7523324
You pretty much just proved my point (that the rules need to be changed) for me. That was literally the next point I was going to make.

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>>7523351
How about rewrites?

The cake frosting one is a fucking classic.

>>7523405
If the mods allowed rewrites but kept captions banned, that would be pretty funny from a standpoint of original content creation

like, captionfags would have to channel all their energy into making weird and horrible rewrites eternally

>>7523408
>original content creation
As I understand it the current opinion is "go die in a fire", so anything would be an improvement.

>>7522916
Same famalam.

These newfags are pathetic. My dick is shaking.

It is kind of sad to see how the butthurt people in these threads are so angry they're driving away even people who want to help.

>>7523285
one of those involves writing gramatically terrible and poorly spelled shit to force a narrative onto someone elses art. not exactly equatable.

>>7523477
Yeah, I guess sad's the right word. I tried helping people here a little bit, but it's just a nightmare. But they did it to themselves, so it's like like watching somebody kill themselves, in the end it's them who's fucked.

>>7522458
>they don't want futa in their bondage threads
Bondage is basically vanilla. They can take that shit to /h/

>>7522495
>Monster girls are furry

I have never been more triggered in my life. Weve been having monster girl threads for a decade now.

>>7522560
>because imageboards don't matter to me that much
Why are you even here if you have no investment in this community, let alone this website of derelict rejects?

real talk, if you post something along the lines of "rolling" in a thread of that nature you need to get fuckin real because those are literally garbage posts, fuck off with that.

that being said one or two thread out of the fifty or so that are active at any given time having copious garbage posts do not warrant this kind of a hardline zero-tolerance response, particularly on a community small enough for one or two people to individually evaluate whether nor not a thread belongs based on the spirit of the rules and not the letter.

knock that "rolling" shit off though, jesus fucking christ.

>>7523562
For porn? To discuss things? You don't have to get so emotionally invested that you smash your face on your keyboard in frustration when the mods make a decision in order to be here.

What is it with kids today and thinking everything is either 100% or 0%?

>>7523572
This is a pretty shit thread for porn, and the discussions here are pretty awful as well. I think he was talking about this thread though.

>>7523562
>WHY ARE YOU EVEN HERE IF YOU WONT SCREECH AT PEOPLE LIKE US
>I CAN ONLY UNDERSTAND THINGS AND VIEW THE WORLD THROUGH THE LENS OF CONFLICT
>WITH US OR AGAINST US REEEEEEEE

not everyone is as autistic as your little minority

>>7523572
>What is it with kids today and thinking everything is either 100% or 0%?

well you yourself just made the jump from a sober discussion of rules and what people want from the board to "smashing your face on your keyboard in frustration" so maybe we're all pretty intellectually lazy.

>>7523572
>To discuss things

One of the points in the sticky is that threads mainly for discussion do not belong on /d/.

I am just one guy but I just want to state that I specifically came to /d/ for caption threads as I find them to be very enjoyable. Now I am not sure where to find such content, nor do I have much of a reason to come here. I am very sad.

>>7523581
They do caption threads on /trash/ I believe. That's sort of the spillover porn board for everything prohibited on /d/ and /h/, among others.

>>7523580
that sticky is a fucking day old and is one of the moderation decisions that people are pissed about.

>>7523577
Oh why am I HERE? In this specific thread? That's not what was implied by >>7523562 but sure. I'm in this thread, I assume like most of the people lurking here, because of the links flying around like crazy.

Before you ask "WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE THEN GET OUT OF OUR THREAD, I stayed and posted out of a kind of morbid fascination. It's kind of like going to the zoo, but a sort of quasi-human zoo. We get to sit on the sidelines and say, "wow, that's actually a person, a real life actual person actually thinks that way, can you fucking believe it?" Right now I'm being rather cheeky, of course. What I'm doing by even replying to you or posting here is the equivalent of rattling the bars on the cages.

>>7523580
Except for the meta thread, which is specifically for that purpose. Which is the one we're in. You're in that thread. You know that, right?

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>>7523572
>>7523578
>>7523586
/d/ started going to shit shortly after the T_D raids before the election. Hmmm....

>>7523587
Are you saying you wouldn't come to /d/ normally if these discussion threads weren't here?

>>7523588
>GET OUT OF OUR THREAD REEEEE

It's sad that you want an echo chamber out of a thread meant to promote discussion. An opposing opinion is a chance to learn and improve your own arguments. The only people who are afraid of opposing opinions are people who have no good arguments of their own.

>>7523596
Lets run through this again.

>>7523562
Why are you here if you don't care as much as we do?
>>7523572
To discuss fetishes and look at porn.
>>7523580
Threads mainly for discussion aren't allowed on /d/
>>7523587
You're allowed to have one thread which is entirely for discussion, the meta thread
>>7523596
>Are you saying you wouldn't come to /d/ normally if these discussion threads weren't here?

How did you come to that conclusion? Of course I'd still come here. This meta thread is mildly interesting at best, it's not the only reason I'm here. I can discuss fetishes in other threads. As long as the ENTIRE POINT of a thread isn't discussion, it's fine. Anyone "should" be able to understand that.

As I type this, in 2 other threads, I'm continuing conversations with other people, because I enjoy discussing fetishes on /d/. Guess what? Those threads haven't been deleted. Your entire thread won't be deleted if there's a discussion taking place, just don't turn the entire thread INTO a discussion. That is what the meta thread is for.

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>>7523597
I came to this thread as a totally neutral party. Truth be told, I barely know whats going on. I saw a post that made it seem like you werent even from this board, let alone this site. I called them out on it. The only one screeching here are the butthurt redditors I called out.

>>7523588
awwdid we hurt your fee fees?
are we intruding on your SafeSpace(tm) *no one will ever disagree with you guarunteed*?

>>7523602
As someone who enjoys discussion on /d/, what would you say is the harm in threads primarily for discussion?

>>7523606
When somebody reports a text-heavy post, reading the post may be necessary to determine what rules it breaks, if any.

This is, obviously, discrimination against our illiterate mod. also your an ableist bigot.

>>7523606
Because this is an imageboard first and foremost, and in order to discuss porn and fetishes there has to be some actual content to discuss, or at the very least, give some framework to the discussion. There's nothing worse than someone who talks about something as though they know anything about it without ever actually engaging with the subject matter.

>>7523610
Where does it say text heavy posts are banned? I see a lot of them in other threads. The only difference I see between those threads, and threads which are banned, comparing them to the archived threads, is the threads which got banned rarely if any had any decent /d/ worthy fap material in them, and the ones that haven't been banned still have plenty by comparison.

Maybe there's some nebulous number between "0 content" and "pretty much anything over 10%" where threads get deleted when they drop below it.

where did this "only people who are on one extreme side of the argument or the other are allowed to post in these threads" mindset come from?

>>7523617
redditors on both sides

if someone seems upset, assume they're a redditor and ignore them

>>7523617
What's the middle ground? You can't half-ban thread(s)

>>7523617
Where have you been the past 8 years. Any community here developed some kind of herd mentality blaming whatever outside group for anything not conforming with their own opinion. MAL, Gaia, Reddit, Tumblr, /v/, /b/, /a/, liberals, sjw etc. It's always about US vs THEM there is no middle ground.

see >>7523618

>>7523619
>WITH US OR AGAINST US REEEEEEEEEE

It is possible for both sides in an argument to have valid points. Not every argument is black and white totally one side or the other. If you seriously can't understand that, that's pathetic, but it does explain why these threads are so awful to read. Any group which is entirely incapable of listening to the outside, that insular, that defensive, that isolated, is bound for trouble.

>>7523611
If people are having an in depth discussion about a certain fetish, does it matter if there aren't many images posted?

So... anyone else suspect this is a state sponsored Russian troll training exercise?

I am probably just being paranoid.

>>7523623
Yeah, kinda, because not everyone gives a shit about your discussion. The discussions I'm having in other threads? I understand that maybe people don't care. So I post images along with my posts, so that the thread doesn't become 10 pages worth of text for people who don't care about what I've written to scroll through just to see an image.

You have to remember the 10-1 rule. On average there's probably 10 lurkers for every poster in a thread. Let's be generous and say half of them care about your discussion. What about the other half? Why should they have to wade through a bunch of shit they don't care about just to find an image to look at?

It's just common courtesy and a little self awareness, and it's kind of frightening that other people don't think that way. It's a really selfish mindset.

>>7523626
that actually sounds a little more plausible than the conspiracy theories the banned brigade keep throwing up

>>7523628
Just use gallery mode in 4chan x (or your app if you're a filthy phoneposter) if you hate text anon. It's not hard.

>>7523642
Why should everyone have to use 4chan X for the sake of two people replying to each other over and over? Again, what an extremely selfish mindset.

God, these threads are sad and confusing.

How does it come to a point where moderation is in question on a fucking porn board?

I honestly don't have a clue what's going on, who's responsible for all the autism?

>>7523628
I don't get why these hypothetical lurker anons would visit and read a thread they have no interest in. If there's a thread for discussing a specific fetish, one would think the only people interested in discussing or reading discussion about that fetish would attend.

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>>7523654
>why would people lurk on 4chan
yeah I think we're done here

>>7523661
>thread for discussing a specific fetish
>people would somehow lurk this thread if they have no interest in the discussion

It doesn't add up.

>>7523644
>Oh no, I'm burning your precious .2 second it takes to scroll past a text post
If it makes you feel any better, I always attach a relevant image to my discussion posts, but it doesn't bother me in the slightest when people don't, even if it's not a discussion I care about.

>>7523661
Good job, you totally ignored his point, moron

>>7523654
>>7523661
>>7523662
>>7523666
how in any way is that missing the point

>>7523662
>>7523666
I'm confused. At first you were talking about
>If there's a thread for discussing a specific fetish
Which basically encompasses every thread on this board.

Maybe you should be a bit clearer about what you mean, as people seem to be misinterpreting it from your intended meaning.

>>7523669
The point is that topics of a specific subject (fetish image dumps, fetish discussion) are generally only attended by people who enjoy that subject.

Saying that discussion-heavy threads are bad because people who are lurking will have to slog through the text is a pretty faulty assumption because there's no reason to lurk the threads if you're not interested in the subject.

>>7523670
I mean largely textual discussion. Not just "post <x> images" threads.

>>7523673
Ah well there's your mistake, anon.

>I mean largely textual discussion. Not just "post <x> images" threads.

/d/ is ONLY FOR "post <x> images" threads. Because this is an IMAGEboard. Discussion is allowed, not required. Images are the key point. If you just want to discuss things without posting any images, why are you on an imageboard? You should just go to a forum or something where there are no images posted.

Imageboards allow images for a reason, they are usually vital to the topic of discussion. What you're looking for is a DISCUSSION board.

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Okay, here's a little example I threw together. Before anyone says it's unrealistic, I'll show you plenty of examples of threads which were banned which were worse than this.

Question: At what point in this example do you feel that this thread has encountered a problem?

Hint: It's not the ban post.

>>7523680
The video games boards?

>>7523680
I know, which the sticky asserts. I'm questioning why mostly-discussion threads are bad and the best answer people can give me is that anons lurking the threads have a bad time because there aren't many images.

Aside from just saying "the rules are the rules", I haven't seen a convincing argument for why mostly-discussion threads should be prohibited.

>>7523689
see
>>7523686

If you don't see a problem, then just because YOU don't see a problem doesn't mean there isn't one.

>>7523689
this is an imageboard, when images are giving way to discussion, there is a problem

>>7523690
>If I have a problem with it, then everybody else should!

Only one person has responded to me asking about how the /d/raw thread is ok. It's literally a fanart thread. Also, before anyone says that it's not fanart, it is. Fanart isn't limited to characters owned by multimillion dollar companies, the same rules apply to a character I create and put on deviantart.

>>7523686
>Question: At what point in this example do you feel that this thread has encountered a problem?

This is my first post in the thread, but, in the example you posted, verbatim?

That's spam. Making the exact same post over and over again, with the same word over and over again.

>>7523693
If I don't have a problem with it, then nobody should!

This argument has no end, anon. It's just two sides arguing opposite ends of a spectrum.

The difference is one weighs much less on probability than the other.

>>7523686
If everyone there's enjoying the discussion, what's the issue? If people there don't want to post text, they can post images. Also I'd like to see the examples of this happening in actual threads please.

>>7523696
Yeah I got lazy. Let's ignore the fact I'm a lazy faggot though.

>>7523692
Is there a minimum quota of posts containing images here or something? If people want to discuss the details of something over text, they should be able to.

>>7523699
here's one prime example
http://desuarchive.org/d/thread/7292668

Seems like it's mostly just people posting "here's what I would pick". Something genuinely only they could possibly care about.

In my example, they were at least discussing the fetish. In that thread, there's not even a discussion. How do you discuss "HERES WHAT I PICKED" 0 replies "HERES WHAT I PICKED" 0 replies?

It's just people sharing the results they got in a facebook quiz over and over.

>>7523704
Well, I'm not an expert.
But evidently, the moderation team has made it clear they want posts on this board to be mostly image related and less discussion related.

>>7523694
It's there because the mods like it. They'll scream "LOW QUALITY" every time they see something with words, but clam up when it comes to something that's explicitly against the rules.

That said, I don't think /d/raw threads should be banned either.

>>7523707
I'm in agreement, but, the confusion seems to be on focus. Do you focus on the discussion or the content posted?

The latter is what the board is stated to be for, where incidental discussion is permitted and encouraged, but not over the focus of the posting of content.

>>7523707
Putting an actual number on it shouldn't be necessary. You shouldn't have to tell people to post images on an imageboard, especially a porn board which is primarily for the posting of images.

At that point you might as well give up on giving anyone the benefit of the doubt at all. Which is an extremely depressing thought.

They COULD put a hard line "your thread must contain this many images" rule out there, but then people would just spam shitty quality images to try to meet the quota.

You should post images because that's what you do on /d/, not because someone told you to do it. If you're just here for attention and to spam text, then you shouldn't be here. /d/ is a porn board, and a porn discussion board. PORN is the operative word here.

>>7523709
I do agree that CYOA threads get pretty repetitive because there's nothing dynamic going on. I'd be okay with them migrating to /qst/ or something.

But for threads for discussing a certain fetish, like slavery or whatever, anons detailing their thoughts on the matter add to the overall discussion even without images.

>>7523707
I could not agree with
>>7523715
>>7523715
>>7523715
more. This perfectly sums up the situation.

Discussion is fine, but not when your discussion isn't board related.

>>7523718
They can do, but eventually you run into the threads which have 200 replies and 12 images, and you think "well if there's only 12 images what was the point of posting that on an imageboard?"

Anyone who is just here for porn, which is quite a lot of people, are going to see that thread as a waste. There's no porn in it. We can't go and make a second Slavery thread to fill with porn, because then we're just spamming the catalog.

Besides, an academic discussion on the merits of slavery from a sexual perspective would, like most discussions I believe, at the very least be brightened up by lots of topic related images.

If it doesn't hurt not to post images, then surely, it can't hurt to post them either. And seeing as this is an imageboard, and I would say (entirely guessing here but it seems likely) that the majority of users are here for the images, that seems very much like a waste of a thread, even if it's only a waste of it's potential.

>>7523715
Does fetish discussion not count as content? If we're classifying images as the only content of note on /d/, then the idealized /d/ would be 100% images. At that point you might as well just go on pixiv.

>>7523044

It's true. I looked up analytics for 4chan from various firms, the overwhelming bulk of their revenue comes from the adult boards. And Hiroyuki has complained about making ends meet, and 4chan had to make the old 4chan GOLD meme a real thing with 4chan pass to keep going.

I would be only mildly inconvenienced if all of /d/ was gone, but deleting topics and boards based on what certain groups like instead of clear universal rules is a slippery slope that has killed many, many web sites/platforms.

The people who thing /d/ is for weirdos or losers and would be happy to see it gone, will complain when the mods get used to banning whatever they want and eventually start banning stuff said people end up liking.

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Can someone remind me, what's the problem with a single thread about fiction again? The content of the stories was essentially various /d/ material, and no the quality wasn't nearly as bad as caption threads who on average both bad art and writing. This isn't a fast board either, even before bans there was no problem for other fetishes threads to stay on the board for weeks at a time- including unpopular stuff.
There was circlejerking and dick-sucking for the "biggest" oc-posters, which is never a good thing, but does that really warrant nuking the thread? Isn't it sufficient to ban their asses for a time if that's a problem, and let the others carry on? The threads would be real slow, but that's okay.

I'm asking, because there's no other board to do that sort of thing that I know of, but at the same time, there's NO WAY even all of the text orientated folks would fill an entire board with their stuff. And don't tell me to go to /trash/, it's called that way because the average quality level there makes the bad threads of /d/ look stellar.

This whole thread has made me wonder, I enjoy drawing people's requests in threads and making my own relevant content. My art isn't amazing but it's at least a few rungs above DA tier (and definitely above some of the lower quality eastern stuff I've seen) is that sort of content still going to be welcome around here going forward? I normally do western style but I'll cater things a little more towards eastern stuff when I make stuff here.
>>7523719
I also agree with this. I love the discussion but the board is primarily for content. At the very least, attach some images to your text if it starts to run too many posts without any.

>>7523725
>Anyone who is just here for porn, which is quite a lot of people, are going to see that thread as a waste.
Or they'll just go to a different thread.
>We can't go and make a second Slavery thread to fill with porn, because then we're just spamming the catalog.
Then why not just post images in the already existing thread?

>>7523714
>>7523694
I don't think, "But why isn't this other thing that I also like also banned" should be your argument here, especially with a moderation team that can, essentially, ban that as well just to spite you and say, "ok. It's banned too. Happy?"

In a very bad example, you shouldn't be indignant that someone DIDN'T chop off your right arm when they take your left.

Your indignation should remain focused on the left arm being taken.

>>7523714
me either. I like the nature of draw threads, but I also like the nature of the Caption threads and the voice threads for the same God damned reason. Not every post/contribution is of extremely high qulality, but sometimes an individual put's hours if not days of hard work into something to make a great piece of work.

>>7523728
It does, but only to an extent. Images have a much broader appeal than text. Sure, some people might be here just for text, and a lot of people are here for both, but I'm sure both of those are dwarfed by people who really couldn't care less and just want to fap. This is a deviant porn board, after all. I find it highly likely we are outnumbered by cretins who live in a hive of their own hardened jizz.

>>7523731
>There was circlejerking and dick-sucking for the "biggest" oc-posters
>but does that really warrant nuking the thread?

IMO yes, it's embarassing and that kind of behaviour doesn't breed a healthy community. When someone has fans, then those fans will defend everything they do, and shut down any form of criticism or constructive comment. That has happened repeatedly in the past.

As soon as you're not being criticised, and you're surrounded by people who will tell you everything you make is great no matter what, then your quality is bound to dive.

>>7522420
Futanari is a "fetish" just like women are a "fetish"

It's a fictional third gender, not bondage. Futas exist within every other fetish.

>>7523737
Okay, so theoretically you'd be cool with threads primarily for discussion if 80% of the posts had incidental images attached? The issue for me here is that it by allowing discussion as long there's images you're encouraging people to randomly slap a vaguely fitting image on their text post so it counts as approved content.

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>>7523732
Hells yeah, I don't want to see any of the good artists on /d/ leave. If a thread gets nuked, it should be nuked because we have to take off and nuke the site from orbit, because the ground is so infested it's the only way to be sure.

From the examples people have been posting, that was certainly the case for the threads which got nuked.

>>7523731
There is none, it just got caught in the net of WURDS = BAD. Nobody's ever posed a bad example of fiction from EFG in these meta-threads or had a specific complaint about quality. People just deflect deflect the arguement saying "But who cares about EFG, caption threads were shit!" or "All OC is low quality, I don't need to give examples."

>>7523731
What's baffling is that the majority of people writing/requesting stories in /efg/ would post images to go along with them, when a main concern ITT is that there's too much discussion and a dearth of images.
>>7523739
That just makes it sound like there was a single person making OC in /efg/, when that clearly wasn't the case. There was plenty of constructive criticism to go around.

>>7523733
If people are HERE for porn, then they don't HAVE porn.

That's like saying:

>People who go to the water fountain for water, only to find the water fountain surrounded by a mob of people talking about water, and can't get to the fountain to get water, should go to the other fountain which doesn't exist.

>And if they wanted water, why didn't they bring water to the fountain? Despite not having any and going to the fountain for water in the first place?

>>7523742
Okay good to know. I figured I was fine because my stuff is usually well received seeing as I almost exclusively do it in super niche content starved threads and I try to maintain an "I can fap to this" quality level.

>>7523741
Precisely. See >>7523716

That's why we don't need an "80%" rule or anything like that. We need to encourage a general community where posting images is natural and expected.

A thread should never get to the point where it's being deleted for not having any, because you should post images on an imageboard, and if you don't get that, you shouldn't be here.

>>7523747
Let's be honest here: if people want to find a lot of porn, there are way better places than /d/. It's pretty slow and has scattered threads. I pity the person who comes to /d/ just for the porn.

>>7523734
That in itself is a bad argument. You're assuming that I liked /d/raw at all. It would be awful to see Mods do that, but the reason why I'm pointing out this inconsistency in the modding system doesn't mean I want a flawed rule enforced to full force. The point of bringing this to light is to inform people that since your "right arm" was taken, then there's no reason they can take your "left arm" if they so just feel like it (regardless of what you say or do). If mods believe that certain things of certain criteria should not be allowed on /d/, then they should change the rules to reflect that belief. Instead, they are enforcing it biased how they see fit and that's not right. As much as it pains you, the very nature of selectively choosing what is right and what is wrong (contrary to rules you are supposedly guided by) lead to situations where everyone's "arms" get taken. If /d/raw thread goes, people will find a way, but not all subjects are as extremely popular as /d/raw or games. The thread I enjoyed was the voice thread, but it was taken down on my first request. Even though every request was /d/ related and even had pictures of the hentai, it was still taken down (which is more than what can be said for games). I don't want to have /d/raw taken down, but I do want fairness and mods who aren't corrupt.

>>7523745
Care to show us a thread which had "plenty of constructive criticism to go around"? Also, could you please ensure that thread had plenty of "images to go along with them"?

You can use desuarchive and loveisover, easy to search if you've never used them before.

I ask because I feel pretty confident that the mods would be willing to listen if you showed proof rather than what most in these threads have been doing which is to just scream and scream until they get their way.

>>7523728
>Does fetish discussion not count as content?
The simple and short answer is no.

The longer answer is discussion is absolutely encouraged. But not before things like images. At the very least, this is what has been stated by the moderation team in the sticky. Is a sexy story sexy? Sure. Is a sexy story about dickgirls possibly relevant? Sure. However, not what the board was made for. The truth of the matter is we post pictures, and incidental discussion about the images or topic of the images is encouraged. Not the other way around.

I know you like erotic fiction, and text and hot sexy stories, but, mostly, this is for smut of the more directly stimulating type.

>>7523751
See, but that has the same issue. Saying people should post images on an imageboard just cuz it's an imageboard only encourages people who would normally make text posts to slap an image onto their posts.

>>7523754
Yeah. You'll occasionally find an image that's totally new, but you could find stuff that's relevant to your interests much easier by just going to a booru.

>>7523754
/d/ is a great place to find porn because instead of having to ask a search bar or tag system on a booru, you can say "hey does anyone have any X but preferably where they also Y"? And in a day or so you can come back and find something that probably doesn't have a tag anywhere, or a suggestion for a doujin or artist you would have had trouble finding.

>>7523734
I guess the problem with the analogy you gave is that this situation isn't so much as me having my right arm chopped off and then me putting my left arm on the chopping block, as much as it is me having my right arm chopped off and looking to everyone around me on the basis of "are you okay with this?".

>>7523759
Exactly. The important thing is to try to bring back the /d/ culture of quality content. You should come to /d/ hoping to share something you've found, and see if anyone is interested. Sadly, /d/ seems to have become very scarce in terms of content providers.

The long and short of it is the only way to do that is to execute a total purge of low quality content (which is what seems to be happening) until the overall board quality goes back up, and people posting low quality stuff leave.

Threads need to be self regulating, and report low quality/rule breaking stuff immediately, so the mods can purge it. If they don't, they're essentially allowing it to stay, and that's what turns threads shit.

>>7523754
/d/ is about the most populated board of it's kind, anon. take a look at the /d/ or equivalent on any other board and you will see the true definition of slow and scattered.

>>7523761
Except you can go on pixiv or a booru and find as many image with X and also Y as you'd like, and everything in between. Asking for stuff here is both slow and non-comprehensive. As I said, I pity the person who gets their porn just from /d/.

>>7523768
>You should come to /d/ hoping to share something you've found, and see if anyone is interested

Isn't this what caption and censored threads were about? People shared captions and censored edits they made with people who enjoyed them.

>>7523771
A lot of art isn't on boorus. I have plenty of stuff saved on my HD which isn't on any booru anywhere. Doujins, artists who disappeared 10+ years ago. If someone wanted those, the only place they would get them is on /d/, from me, or god help me if anyone else still has XKZ art, for example, still saved, you old bastards.

This is like when companies say "you don't need to speak to our customer care team, your issue can be dealt with by our automated system".

>>7523757
Here's a thread that was made shortly before they started getting nuked:
http://archive.loveisover.me/d/thread/7467513/
Those posting new stories, continuing old ones, or making requests are typically attaching related images.
http://archive.loveisover.me/d/thread/7467513/#7468523
http://archive.loveisover.me/d/thread/7467513/#7474175
There are also posts like these throughout the thread, which see contributors providing constructive criticism.

>>7523774
Good point, there is some old stuff that's not common. Still though, I'd wager like 80-90% of the images posted here that aren't OC can be found on a booru or pixiv.

>>7523773
Not really, no. It was to begin with, when the writing quality was higher. But when it dipped, that was taking content which already existed and essentially making it unpalatable to 90% of the people browsing /d/.

When you add text to an image, you narrow the market on people who still like it.

As for censored threads, at the risk of kink shaming, when you're just using Paint programs to put black boxes on art, that's a sign it's time to stop. At the very least (most) captioners had the decency not to cover up the image with their text.

>>7523768
The problem is, a lot of content that by the board's rules should be banned, sticks around because the people here don't care nearly as much as the mods. I'd bet nearly half of the images on this board right now are western, cribbed from tumblr and the like. The people who are just here to fap don't feel nearly as strong about the issue as the mods, so the vast majority of rule-breaking images go unreported and fly under the radar. Unless it's something truly egregious, they just don't care.

>>7523651
Mod +/- a janitor or two are being kind of dickish and persecuting a handful of threads. Mod made s sticky claiming standards are why, yet there are many threads which feature a great deal of discussion and shitty western art.

A lot of people thing the mod is being a hypocritical cunt.

Theres also a band of assholes on IRC and Discord deliberately fucking things up and trying to troll semi successfully. Mostly trying to bait people from the persecuted threads and false-flag to make them look bad.

>>7523780
People were still interested in that stuff no matter how low quality it was perceived by some of the rest of the board. The fact that it had recurring threads was a testament to that. I don't like inflation threads but I understand they have an audience here.

>>7523780
>Not really, no. It was to begin with, when the writing quality was higher. But when it dipped, that was taking content which already existed and essentially making it unpalatable to 90% of the people browsing /d/.
How is something like this:
http://img.booru.org/dcaptions//images/2/d49592ee7d5855d2ca16ebad9525628b20193264.jpg
"Unpalatable" compared to something like this:
http://img.booru.org/dcaptions//images/1/2a18d01c814b5ea4abf87f2041bbce903d581e07.jpg

>>7523776
A quick analysis of that thread:

319 posts, 54 images.

Of those images, 14 are either reaction images, non-/d/ related images, or low quality images. That leaves 40 /d/ related images which isn't bad. The amount of non-/d/ valid images, however, might pose an issue, considering they made up ~25% of the images in that thread.

A Ctrl+F of the word "good" resulted in about 3 posts which I consider critical, and the vast majority of them were just "keep up the good work", "this is good", no actual criticism. If I read the entire thread much more closely, maybe there would be more criticism to be found.

The word "bad" has 9 results, and none of them were critical.

Again this is just skimming the surface, but I can see problems with that thread. Not absolutely horrific like CYOA, but problems.

Do you have an example of a much better thread than this? If this was a bad thread compared to what these threads are usually like, I would say that maybe /efg/ wasn't so bad. If this is representative of the /efg/ community, however, I can start to see why maybe they got banned.

>>7523785
And yet inflation threads continued existence is another testament to inconsistent moderation. 99% of the art in those threads is western. It's a much worse percentage that the shortstack threads had when those were declared to be a "western fetish" and banished to /aco/.

>>7523756
>That in itself is a bad argument.
Conceded and stated. Yes, it is.

I understand what you're saying here. You feel that there's no rhyme or reason to this and feel their enforcement of one dumb rule and less of another seems arbitrary.

And you'd be correct. Enforcement of rules, and the rules themselves are entirely arbitrary. To risk a tangent, humans are the very best at one thing, and one thing alone: Recognizing patterns. To the fault of even when there are none. This means we segregate in our mind different patterns and groups. Even groups and patterns that do not exist. This means that a lot of the way we sort things and differentiate, from an objective standpoint, is very arbitrary. The rules and segregation of content on this website is arbitrary. But at some level, the line needs to be drawn as to what goes where. The line is drawn based on what the administration/moderation wants. You want the line to be based on popular user opinion. 4chan isn't now nor has it ever been democratic. I'm not trying to be a downer here but it is what it is and you have to kind of make peace with it. As a user, I'm fully aware that my usage of this site isn't really a right, I'm just here because I enjoy it.

The moderation is here to be biased towards their own and the administrations' biases. The site exists for their biases. It's coincidence that some or many of their biases coincide with your own, not a result of the staff catering to yours.

This sounds really harsh, and I don't mean it to be, but, the moderation and administration here isn't presented as a service to you. Though, I have to point out that a lot of this is all a layover from when 4chan was created and doesn't really mesh well with Hiroyuki's current design strategy.

>>7523785
Just because people were interested in it doesn't mean it automatically belongs on /d/. Reposting the same stuff over and over is just a waste of space in the catalog (although you could make that argument about other threads too, their art is, at least, quote unquote "high quality")

>>7523787
Because most people probably don't want any text added at all?

Think about it this way. To people who like captions, that image is great. But that's a small part of the majority of people on this board. By modifying the image, you make it so only a small minority can enjoy it.

>>7523776
>>7523790
So further to this, I suggest you go back and do a pretty thorough check of the last, say, 20 threads. Compile some numbers, show some examples. Not just individual examples, show extended discussions of criticism, constructive arguments, people giving feedback.

Show threads which had an abundance of images to outweigh the lower-image-count ones.

That would form a pretty solid argument for the reinstatement of your threads. That's something you could bring to them and say "Hey, we got banned, we would like you to take a look at this and maybe consider unbanning us".

>>7523787
Imagine for a moment I have a fetish for, say, covering up 80% of an image with a black box.

That is great for me, and so I post it on /d/. A few other people are also into it. But to the VAST MAJORITY of people who don't have that fetish, what you've done is rendered that image essentially useless to them.

>>7523798
Worst case scenario, somebody has to reverse image search or ask for the source image. Also, since when is each image on /d/ required to cater towards the "majority of people on this board?"

>>7523798
>But that's a small part of the majority of people on this board.
I think only a small part of the majority of the people on this board will enjoy any given thread. Unless you appreciate every single fetish, only a small portion of threads will appeal to you in the first place.

Then again, whenever somebody makes a ballbusting thread, tons of people flood in to scream "Why does this exist!? Stop liking what I don't like!" and there's always people who like to spam "TRAPS ARE GAY YOU FAGS" in every trap thread. People will always go to threads with content they weren't planning on enjoying just to complain.

>>7523739
/efg/ was more than those guys though. They were a major presence yes, and the thread would be very slow without them (and that's fine), but the authors themselves were mostly chill and not on a egotrip. If they're such a problem, kick'em for a while (tell the comissioners to quit namefagging or .D to quit posting garbage 3D futa), let the rest stay.

>>7523770
Infinite chan's /d/ has live threads that were last bumped in 2015.

>>7523805
That doesn't work so well when no search engine recognizes the image, because it's so cluttered with text.

It means every person who wants that image is going to have to open up an editing program, the same way the person who added the caption did, to remove it.

There's a much easier solution there. Don't add captions to images in the first place.

Again, this wasn't an issue when the caption quality was high. That has changed.

>>7523767
While I stated the analogy was bad in the first place, I think the problem is you may be taking this personally; the content provided here isn't for your benefit, but coincides with your interests.

Though the administration and moderation philosophy of, "this is our site, we're just letting you use it" is counter-intuitive to Hiroyuki's philosophy of, "Money plz."

The original design philosophy of 4chan was moot making this site for himself and his friends and anyone else who wanted to come, and if you didn't like it, fuck off. It was very much moot's site and he made it for himself and his friends and for the community he transplanted from SA. More accurately, he made his own casino. With blackjack, and hookers. Without the blackjack.

But how much this meshes with current design philosophies or not is an entirely different tangent and conversation and I don't think it's too terribly relevant.

The short answer here is that you come to 4chan knowing it's not your site and you're just using it.

>>7523811
>ask for the source image.
Also,
>Again, this wasn't an issue when the caption quality was high. That has changed.
It really hasn't. See:
>>7523787

>>7523809
Why go to all that trouble when they can just delete the thread? It's not everyone elses responsibility to police your threads for you. Do it yourselves. If those people are a problem, and you KNOW they're a problem, do something about it. Say something, report them, get people to voice their concerns.

No one is going to come into your threads and carefully clean up after you, it's your job to keep your own threads clean. If you can't do that, the thread will just get deleted.

Yeah, /efg/ may have been great, except for those guys. So why were "those guys" still around?

Being banned is the final step in a LONG trip towards becoming a shit thread, and the people in those threads are given a lot of chances to rectify things. When the mods decide to ban a community it must be because they have decided that that community is NEVER going to create a good thread, which is a pretty hefty decision.

>>7523734
>that arm was good for nothing
>it resembles this arm, though
>don't bring logic into this, stick your neck out and get your head lopped off buddy

>>7523801
If amount of criticism or ratio of images to discussion were truly the issue, it would have been nice to have a warning so people could bring things up to what the secret level of standards were, instead of "I don't like the way your threads have been looking. Your discussions and criticisms weren't detailed enough. This is now banned for eternity."

>>7523816
I can give you worse analogies if you prefer.

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188KB, 1200x1147px

>>7523813
Okay lets do this again. Pretty sure we tried to do this a few years ago and got screeched at for criticising glorious leader perfect captions.

They use *action*s. They use a font which apparently capitalizes every letter except "i", but only sometimes, as other times the letter "i" IS capitalized. Shit like "mfufu" and adding "~" to the end of lines. Repeating letters to emphasize a word is lazy at best.

Not to mention this is the 1,000,000th momdom caption, futa or not. The text nearly overlaps the goddamn image itself.

This is a bad caption anon. Was this supposed to be your example of a good one?

>>7523818
Why do you deserve a warning? I would rather communities which cant self regulate turn shit so we can get rid of them. Again, why is it everyone elses responsibility to tell you what you're doing wrong?