>>6554334 I'd be into cuff play. I like the idea of being completely vulnerable to someone and having them not hurt me because of it. I'm not particularly into collar stuff, but it wouldn't take any convincing to get me to do it.
>>6554334 I want a tight, elastic collar that I can feel while breathing (but isn't so tight that it makes breathing difficult). Matching cuffs and a cock collar would be glorious. Don't know if anything like that exists.
>>6554346 Trying! I've been feeling uncharacteristically optimistic and I want to share that.
>>6554352 That's OK, you just keep feeling better and I'll keep believing for you.
>>6554368 I'm normally a pretty pessimistic person but your posts are kind of charming. Maybe it's the cute pictures.
>That's OK, you just keep feeling better and I'll keep believing for you. Don't believe in yourself, believe in the me that believes in you!
>>6554365 Never really had one to be honest. Closest thing I've had was my most recent "partner". She was pretty dominant at first, would tempt me, play games and tease me, make me beg and then suddenly decided she wanted to be a total sub. Kinda sucked, was really confused by it.
>>6554372 >>6554376 I wouldn't have believed it either. I went through some awful depression, triggered by feelings of abandonment. If you keep feeling bad, look for professional help. You aren't alone at all.
>>6554377 I definitely don't get off on making people feel better... >Don't believe in yourself, believe in the me that believes in you! Exactly what I was thinking!
>>6554373 A girl in my law enforcement class in highschool joined the National Guard. I guess she would be the closest thing to a gfd crush I had. She wasn't really outwardly dominant, in fact we had mostly similar personalities.
>>6554376 It's all good anon. I used to be severely depressed. I learned to be incredibly selfish and generally only care about myself or people I'm close to. Other people become incredibly optimistic and cheery.
Different strokes, different folks.
>>6554384 You're cool man. I've been hitting the rum for the last two hours and you're making me feel pretty chill.
Animated films: >Garden of Words >Kiki's delivery service
Anime/Manga: >Witch Craft Works >Freezing >Madan no Ou to Vanadis >Morobito: Guardian of the Spirit >Monster Musume no Iru Ichijou >Soredemo Sekai wa Utsukushii (The world is still beautiful) >Akame ga Kill* >Infinite Stratos >Accel World* >The Pet Girl of Sakurasou* >Danna ga Nani o Itteiru ka Wakaranai Ken >Tasogare otome x Amnesia >Tonari no Kaibutsu-kun >Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki-kun
Manga/Light Novel: >Kono Onee-san wa fiction desu >Unbalance x Unbalance >Oyomegatari >Sensei Lock-on >Arakawa under the bridge >Natsuyuki Rendezvous >Otomen >Tramps like us >Hokago play >Game Over
*/gfd/ is not the main focus of the story. Don't read/watch it purely for the /gfd/, make sure you enjoy it first and consider the /gfd/ a bonus.
Some guys in the previous thread said Arakawa and Mysterious Girlfriend X shouldn't be on the list. I'll leave them on for now and see if more people agree. If enough people oppose it, I'll remove it from the list.
>>6554396 10 years here. I just decided it's never going away and I'll just have to live with it.
Though it's starting to hurt. You know that weird pain in your chest, behind your heart that isn't gas or anything like that? I get that a lot, and no it's not because I'm unhealthy, I'm quite the opposite.
>>6554365 He was a frail alcoholic posh boy with very pale skin and skinny wrists. Once I got drunk and pinned him to the floor and made him repeat after me that I was his physical superior in every way before I'd let him get up.
Not like I have the money to fork over. Almost all the money from my job's going to my car payment, gas & food, my parents are already paying off my student loans, car insurance, health insurance, etc.
I can't wrap my mind around why anyone is expected to pay for something like counseling or therapy, much less for cancer treatment, hip replacements, heart transplants... I dunno, maybe I'm just a kooky communist.
>>6554365 Can't really tell. I had a "girlfriend" in elementary school but other than that I've never really been romantically active. However, for as long as I can remember I've found teachers and older women more attractive than women my age.
>>6554397 >I was wondering, even if the guy is on top, would it still be /gfd/ and/or /rr/ as long as he's being pegged? If you ask me, it's all attitude. A woman can be on top and still be submissive. Another woman can be on her knees giving her man a blowjob and still be entirely in control.
>>6554419 >Ah, you sound heartbroken. It's a bad feeling but kind of addictive. But I've never met anyone to be heartbroken over. It doesn't really feel good or addictive. For some reason its making my limbs ache as well. I don't know why I feel like this.
-Really cool tomboy I knew in high school, captain of the girl's fencing team at some point. Really artsy and outgoing. Probably when I realized how much I like tomboys.
-One time in gym class we had to play one of those annoying tag-like group games because the teachers didn't know what else to do with the students. When I got out a girl who was a year behind me started teasing me hard, calling me tag boy, telling me not to be shy and join her in some game, hung around me a lot and giggled whenever I spilled the spaghetti. She may have been bullying me but I never saw her snicker with her friends, and she was generally cool to me besides that.
>>6554404 >medication No. I'd rather be sad and know what I'm dealing is real than take meds and run away from reality. Deficiencies are different, but artificially creating happy feelings in my head is something that's never going to happen.
>>6554405 I know the feeling you're talking about. I think it was after about four years that started happening and the suicidal thoughts came on really strong.
>>6554423 > I'd rather be sad and know what I'm dealing is real than take meds and run away from reality Good. I'm glad. Meds ruined my life and made me miss out on a lot of things because I stopped caring about them. They don't make you any happier either, they just make you not kill yourself.
Yeah that feeling is new for me, only within the last year. I started off with the thoughts, then the meds took them away and I have them again, but with this shitty new feeling.
>>6554407 >Not like I have the money to fork over. Sucks living in the US. I started going to a therapist and it's free. The only problem is that the sessions can be a bit short and apparently it's going to be once every two weeks.
>>6554443 Not him but it's not perfect. There's no way to get the exact amount needed at the exact time, and the unintended results are often worse than just dealing with it, at least in my experience.
>>6554473 I understand. I personally don't feel like I'm living in a fake world, I just feel less pain/anxiety/depression/fear (which is all "inner world" stuff, if that makes sense). You could try meditation or exercise, really helps some people. Anyway I'll stop, I don't want to hassle you.
>>6554492 Paroxetine reporting in. Had a brief period where my dick didn't work right, kinda sucked but now it's fine.
I've been exercising for almost 3 months now practically every other day, and yet it doesn't seem to help with the awful mental state I've been in for the past month. I guess I could try meditating as well.
>>6554497 Effexor is not mainly for anxiety, it makes anxiety worse. Lexapro is an SSRI but it may surprise you that it's a different drug with different side effects which is why it's marketed under a different name.
If you don't like it, you don't have to take it. But you do owe it to yourself to try.
>>6554334 I like that stuff. Bondage things in general. No better way to lose control.
>>6554365 My stepsister had a friend who took a liking to me. She would make me sit in her lap and would playfully slap my butt whenever she got the chance. We got along pretty well too. Then my stepsister caught us making out one time and things got weird. Were still friends tho. Just not more than that.
>>6554550 >I'd have to pretend to be hesitant about pegging. Ditto.
>>6554550 >>6554557 I'm quite lucky that the domme I've been playing with has already said that they'd like to peg me at some point. Just working on stuff with each other and getting to a point where we can make it happen logistically.
>>6554365 Oh gosh I think I just figured myself out. I have an older cousin who I pretty much had a crush on (I was only six years old). She would talk to me like an equal but she'd also tease me about my height by resting her arm on my head. Sometimes we'd walk to the corner store and she'd buy me ice cream. I really want to recapture that feeling.
>>6554365 He and I were the two "gifted" kids in our tiny rural school. We spent a lot of time in "independent study", aka the teacher made us go to the copy room and read the encyclopedia and other reference books. We talked a lot about stuff. We even made our own version of D&D. He understood be being teased for being a tomboy because he got teased for being a "sissy" (he really wasn't that girly, he just didn't like sports).
Our siblings played sports together so we'd be left alone to explore the forest while they were at the ball field. Lots of childhood wrestling and I would always win.
Had no classes together in middle school and fell apart a lot. Reconnected a bit in high school. But at that point I'd "fallen in with the wrong crowd" and had to keep up a badass imagery so people didn't kick the shit out of me for dating girls. Everyone, including him, probably assumed I was a lesbian.
We met on a major fluke about four years ago. I was in the city to write my LSAT and he went to the university it was being written in and was doing a summer internship. I had no makeup on, in sweats (which I almost never am), hair was a total mess. And he was in a suit. I could have died.
I really couldn't stay to talk, I was running late. But he had a bag of oatmeal cookies he'd made himself for his lunch and he gave them to me to eat during the break for good luck and walked me to the building so I wasn't late trying to find it.
I actually sent him a card through his mom (who my mom still sees sometimes) thanking him. I aced the LSAT, got into my first choice school. But after he graduated he moved to another country to work for some big engineering company. I know he makes a lot of money now and I'm still scrapping by while I do my articling.
>>6554560 >>6554565 Really? I'm really, really glad to hear that, here I was thinking that people would eventually say "someone please shut her up", haha. Alright, I'll go back to adding more dialogues! Any other suggestions are welcome too!
>>6554365 Had a girlfriend towards the end of highschool who was ~2 years older than me and we referred to each other as little brother/big sister etc. Shit like that. Was also crazy, in the bedroom and the rest of her life. Constantly talked about wanting to peg me, would often cuff me to the bed and edge me with two fingers in my ass. Among other things.
Was a fun time but the aftermath was NOT worth it at all.
Everyone always told me I looked really angry in highschool. To the point where my law enforcement teacher pulled me off after class a couple of times to talk to me about it. I just with people would have tried to connect with me more.
She walks over to me, throws me on the bed, takes her clothes off and pushes her pussy in my face.
>"Forces" me to lick it >I start licking her >Im flicking my tongue on her clit, she is moans in passion >I go around the lips, back on the clit, back around same way, back on the clit, then full circle and repeat >She tells me im a good boy >I go around and flick, then push my tongue in her pussy and flick it back immediately >She cums vocally
She moves down
>Starts passionately kissing me >Licks my nipples >Teases me down my stomach She leads me down the bed on my knees
>Starts rubbing her feet on my dick >Lovingly talks me through it >I cum over my belly >She laughes, clearky statisfied and turned on
>>6554626 >>6554647 Feeling those "serious" expression feels. Everyone always told me how sad looked even when nothing particularly bothered me. Got lots of "why so serious/sad, anon?" questions back then. Might be why I smile a lot about silly things nowadays.
>>6553887 Thank you for posting that. What you went through as a child was completely wrong and nobody should have to suffer through that. That kind of withholding of empathy is nothing but harmful, especially from the people who are supposed to be there for you in life.
In a really weird way I can relate to what you said about parents screwing with you emotionally. When my parents were happy with me they'd swear up and down that I could be a better painter than Michelangelo without any practice, and when they were mad I was an annoying disabled immature weirdo who was going to be messed up for the rest of his life. Eventually I had to take everything they said with a pile of salt.
What you describe as a good relationship is exactly what I'd like, but what I've been told my entire life is unrealistic and impossible. I will admit part of it is me being lazy and not wanting to mess up, but another part of it is a feeling that anyone I date could do better than me. Why would I want to fight to keep a girl with me and my issues when she could be happier with someone else? That isn't even getting into GFD with mountains of subs for dommes to pick from. Either I'm up front about who I am and get passed over, or I lie and have more of that for however long the relationship lasts.
That isn't getting into what a huge deal breaker it is to have an almost exclusively insane family. Not insane in an emo they won't let me drive the Mercadies way, but insane in a "grandpa owned a nazi uniform, uncle basically murdered his dad, the holocaust is a lie and other grandpa is vocally worried about the government sponsored Mexican invasion of Napa" way. I can't completely separate myself from them, because they claim my life will fall apart without them helping me with it. Given how much they lie, I don't know if that's true.
Pushing through all of that to find an intelligent and attractive girl who likes me better than anyone else doesn't seem like it would be worth the effort.
>>6554674 >a feeling that anyone I date could do better than me I struggle with this, too. But I'm realizing that I assume too much about what others want from a relationship. Poking around FetLife made that pretty clear. I'm sure there's a girl out there for you. Maybe with an equally crazy family and a need to share some gentle, unpoisoned love.
>>6554674 >another part of it is a feeling that anyone I date could do better than me
I definitely get this. The guy I have a crush on right now is just so much smarter than me. He works harder. He's achieved more. He has his issues (anxiety, probably borderline autism) but he's so bubbly and friendly. But every girl he dates turns out to be an asshole.
And yet I can't see us together because he'd eventually realize what a fuckup I am and dump me.
I just hate feeling inferior constantly. Thanks for sharing, Anon. I definitely know what it's like to have a fucked up family. I constantly think that no matter who I bring home, a girl or an rr boy, they'd leave me after they saw my family.
>>6554677 I've discovered at least the stone face is good for practicing law. Having a very serious default expression helps when a judge is grilling you. I can be completely at a loss for words and still look like I know what I'm doing.
>>6554785 >>6554708 >>6554674 Do it. Taking the risk and getting disappointed is better than being stuck with that god awful thought of "what if?" lingering in the back of your head. Yes, I've been turned down quite a bit but I still feel it's worth it.
>>6554708 I wouldn't have believed you if not for the person who posted under you. There definitely are people who have awful families and want a good relationship. The trouble for me will be getting physically away from my family once I can afford to.
I don't know if this will make you feel better, but I'm a friendly, bubbly guy with a 4.0 GPA, have done things I've proud of, and have anxiety and a communication disorder like I said. I wouldn't care at all if a girl I was dating had a screwed up family, because having a screwed up family doesn't make you screwed up. Don't sell yourself short either. If you're a practicing lawyer and holding your own in the courtroom even when you're at a loss, you are a smart person.
I can't speak for the guy, but you are not a fuckup and having a bad family doesn't make you one. When you do bring someone home, they could be the kind of person who snuggles you when you're feeling sad and talks about how they completely understand. Even if they don't know firsthand what it's like to have a screwed up family, they can know that you're fantastic and aren't defined by your relatives.
>>6554821 Thanks for the shoulder, Anon. It's kind of anti-rr in that he's also a lawyer (well, we're both articling to become lawyers) and we're just on totally different paths. He's specializing in corporate and I spend a lot of time talking to drunks. Mind you, my boss loves to trot me out to clients because I went to a good university and I'm usually the only person in the office dressed nicely enough to meet clients.
And, of course, we now live a couple thousand miles apart. But we made plans for a Christmas meetup when I'm home and I already found him a perfect gift.
gfd story about the two of us: >No idea how the topic at the house party turned to strength but it did >Crush: "Bet you can't lift me." >He's like 6'1" but skinny as hell, maybe 160lb >been working construction with my dad since I was like twelve >immediately get him into bridal carry and hold him easily >everyone thinks it's hilarious >I carry him around for like twenty minutes while he holds my whiskey glass and feeds me liquor when I ask for it
Woke up the next morning hungover and dying of embarrassment. We never talked about it again.
>>6554853 That's why my family is a problem. If I tried to move out without them wanting me to, they'd blackmail me into staying "because they want me to have a good life." I wouldn't put identity theft or forced institutionalization past them. I'm going to play along until my life is separate from theirs.
>>6554865 I'd say tell them off. Seriously if they can't take a hint call them all fucking morons and walk out on them when you can support yourself. Worse case get a court order against them to leave you the hell alone.
>>6554862 See? You went to a good university, dress better than everyone else in your office, and your boss is using you to impress clients. You're definitely smart and accomplished.
That story is adorable and you're really brave to GFD him at a party like that. At least you know he isn't opposed to it, since he let you carry him around and fed you whiskey when you asked. I still can't speak for him, but from what you said it sounds like you're in good position with him aside from the distance. If you got him a gift you know he's going to love, it's going to improve.
>>6554871 My plan is to walk out when I can support myself, but I can't now. They're paying for college and I'm only in my second semester.
>>6555002 I think it's more reasonable to get RPG in the expansion. Had an insane Lost run earlier with Glass Cannon, Polyphemus, Whore of Babylon, and Death's Touch. I was taking out multiple rounds in Greed mode with one shot.
>>6554996 I went to my grandparent's 50th anniversary party stag and got real sad when the romantic slow dance music came on so i started hitting the free liquor a bit hard. Feels like no one wants a hairy bara man around here.
>>6555004 I mean, I just like sitting down and playing a game every now and then. I don't have the time, especially with the various girls, dommes, etc I'm involved with at this point, to grind for shit. So I grabbed a save just before Afterbirth came out.
>>6555024 >>6555026 The online girl is someone who I befriended on IRC ages ago. We got to doing some lewd roleplay and both of us really enjoyed it, to the point where we decided we wanna pursue more.
The girl who wants to sub for me irl I met on IRC as well, then we hung out at a few local kink events. They know I have a decent amount of strength and knowledge enough of where & how to hit a person, so there's that.
The next was also (hurr durr) IRC. Went to a party at their house and talked with them a lot. Lots of flirting led to hanging out a lot. And now we're trying to schedule play and hanging out in-between their four partners.
The last I met at a munch at random, chatted for a while, and they gave me their number without my prompting. We've been chatting and flirting a lot online, and maybe there will be more if she's ok with poly stuff.
What I"ve done is just talked to them a lot, flirted, worked on building friendships, then getting to a point of exploring more. The one with four partners, we're not in a dating thing, but hell, that's just because they have FOUR PARTNERS. They barely have time for that, haha.
Just become friends with people you like and be honest about what kinda relationship you want? Idk, I've stumbled into literally everything.
I don't even understand how to get into situations in which there are like-minded people around me like that. I don't even know where to go or what to do. I don't even have any real hobbies anymore besides coming on the internet like this and doing what I'm doing right now.
Or how to ask someone to hang out later. Or carry conversations without all the small talk. Or get contact info. Without being wretchedly awkward and nervous.
>>6555051 It was six or seven months doing stuff in my local kink scene before any of this happened. And...come to think of it, everyone has given me their data. Not really the reverse. I can ramble on which helps me, but I'm totally awkward as hell.
The person who's helped me build up the most confidence though, is the domme I've been playing wtih...who has almost a kink for awkward people. So yeah....
>>6555028 over 100, but they were all relatives. when everyone started slow dancing it made me feel really sad. there was a mariachi band that was playing the most romantic stuff and i had no one to share it with. Ive never danced before but at that moment i felt extremely alone.
>>6555012 You couldn't ask her because you ran out of time? I can tell you being on the fall part of it wasn't exactly fun or "Free" as some made it out to be. A time of having too much of one useless thing and having too little of something really useful. I'm no Vatnik, but I can say now is the best time despite useless sanctions.
Man I would feel so fucking weird going to one of those kink events, or munches, or whatever you call them, especially by myself. What are they even like, most of the time? I'm sure it depends on the occasion.
>Your date may hint or even admit that he or she isn’t good at relationship or doesn’t believe in or isn’t ready for marriage. Listen to these negative facts and believe them. Ignore vulnerability, bragging, and compliments.
>>6555092 Then I shall not share! but in synopsis close friend of mine has taken to the mothering role after watching me go through four failed relations, tried to get her to stop but now it's elevated to struggle snuggle and questionable status of my strength.
>>6555105 Eh, that's debatable I mean a good chunk of us wanted something similar to the Soviet state still as a way of not giving up entirely on the system but that was ignored promptly especially with the constitutional crisis. I'm sorry to hear that, but I'm sure there are others no?
I mean there are bits and pieces in there that make some sense, but shit like those ten "red flags" is absolutely ridiculous. It's basically telling people to look for perfection and anything less is a red flag.
>>6555129 forgot an image. getting rejected three times in semester struck a huge blow to my confidence. I just gave up on finding someone who would like me. only within the past couple of months have i been feeling up to building a relationship.
>have a friend who gives me JOI weekly >every time she tells me to shoot right into my mouth, or, worse, lick it up >tried it once >super slimy and the saltiest thing on earth >spit it out the first time despite her saying to swallow >haven't been able to do it despite her telling me weekly >just tell her I do it Do you eventually get used to it or something? I don't wanna change my diet just because I wanna eat my cum
It's been ages since I've come here, it's usually such a lovely place. I haven't read the thread but I hope I don't see any shitposts on the way down. >>6554365 She was a girl I met on my middle school's academic team when I was in the seventh grade. She was in the grade ahead of me. I always looked up to her--she was smart, pretty, and cared for me like a big sister. I fell for her during the state championship for our academic competitions. I was the captain, and she'd always be so supportive of me between rounds, and we'd go off on our own and talk as well. When we were walking back to the bus after the whole thing, she put her arm around me, and that's when it happened. She would often tease me, and call me her husband, since in a play we were in, we got married. In high school, she became the highest rank in the schools' JROTC; she looked so good in uniform. In high school, though we were still friends, we didn't talk as much, but there were times where I felt close to her. I was always too beta then to make any moves, though I had all the chances in the world. We're at different colleges now, and it's probably been a year since I had any contact with her. I've mostly moved on but I think about her sometimes.
>>6554365 She had to be the only woman I've met and gotten to go out with that honestly just, for the lack of words, "drained" me. Like her presences just sucked the energy out of me for some reason like I was big 6'3" but she towered over me, lorded over me with her height and weight. Her chubby and yet, fit body kept me intoxicated specifically when she wanted me to roll over like some pet nd take her loving, fighting back was pointless my arms would turn to noodles as soon as she got ahold of my wrist...God I miss that broad.
>>6554590 >>6554626 I'm not as big as her or anything, I just look a lot like her in the face and I lift so when I posted a progress pic in a workout group, someone said I look like her. Still, it made me super happy.
>get job few months ago >now new car >feels like i'm getting shit in order and being real adult >still no one to come home to and cuddle with and get pats from and cook for and worship why even both ;-;
>>6555373 Yep, he's teasing her. I originally wrote 1.50 but changed it to 1.40 to make it more obvious. Though I guess he doesn't know what's the formulae to convert feet to cms either, but he is able to tell she's somewhere close to 1.60.
Who /beingusedfortheirbody/ here? I have a friend who I have been in love with forever and we've hooked up a few times, but she's always said no to a relationship because 'it might ruin things'. But whenever she has relationship troubles we end up hanging out at my place and she get's really aggressive with me.
Just last night she was "on a break" and we watched some netflix to help her feel better and then she just hopped on top of me and rubbed herself against my crotch. She ended up finishing on her own and then cleaned up and left with nary a word. I feel like this is how girls who are booty calls feel desu.
>>6555650 She started out last night by saying "I'm having bad thoughts" all flirty and I said "Well let's just watch another episode of Trailer Park Boys instead!" because I honestly am feeling tired of falling in that cycle.
But literally in the middle of the episode she just got on top and I couldn't stop myself... I feel so not in control when she's like that.
>>6555647 >Just last night she was "on a break" and we watched some netflix to help her feel better and then she just hopped on top of me and rubbed herself against my crotch. She ended up finishing on her own and then cleaned up and left with nary a word. sue her for rape
>>6554365 She was a year younger than I was, surprisingly, quite a bit shorter, me being about 5'10" her being maybe 5'2-3". She was just that girl that seemed like she had her shit together and she was planning on going into the marines. I had honestly felt like we had a connection until a christmas party at the end of 2011 where her feelings about me changed on a dime.
It was like something out of a bad movie, instantaneously she went from sitting in my lap to wouldn't even look at me for the rest of the night. Still was never told why, but I heard that she now identifies as male so that's the reason I tell myself.
Anyways, shit took a turn for the worse and it took me until mid 2014 to stop feeling sorry for myself. I've tried to get my life on track since. and might have found another girl who seems like she might be RR. I hope.
>>6554384 also >recommending no weight lifting >doing deadlifts with a dumbbell >picture of deadlift is actually Romanian dead lifts >thinking bodyweight leg extensions do anything >increased estrogen and decreased test results in lower bodyfat >thinking no fap does fuck all >being so weak that you need C25K 10/10 triggered
>>6555653 Hmm sounds like you're her "safe place" I.E. an emotionally supportive and there to help her relieve sexual frustrations, but instead of this being a good thing you're getting boned because she's not giving you the serious relationship option because she's afraid it'll fall apart and she'll have one less reliable person in her life.
>>6555964 >WWRD (what would Rachnee do) Gag him before he can say "No, means no"?
>>6556059 I always find it funny when people say cardio is worthless. Having a strong heart is important. Do cardio if nothing else. You're not looking to get big for cuteboy aesthetics. Light resistance training and cardio is the best for just about anyone unless they're looking to be some sixpack fag.
>>6556059 If you want something gfd based, do deadlifts until you get too muscly+some bodyweight stuff for your abdominals obliques etc (google plank/pushup progressions) and then keep up with the bodyweight stuff and do weighted hip thrusts for cute buns. Correct for muscle imbalances as needed, but by the time you get to the point where you might want to stop with the deadlifts you'll be fairly comfortable doing it on your own.
Focus on lifting more each time you work out, try not to go much higher than 8 reps and no lower than 4. If you find yourself stalling on a lift or a movement, try doing an exercise that isolates one of the weaker muscles used in the earlier lift/movement for a while and coming back to it.
>>6556206 You mean this quote? >3 minutes Low Oxidative Greater than three minutes of low intensity workout uses the Oxidative system. You're also ignoring the part where he specifically says that wright lifting does not work the Oxidative system, but does work the Phosphagen System. 3 sets of 8 does not a continuous workout make. If you did in place jogging in-between sets it might. Yet he still later goes on to say that weights do not offer the same workout for the heart as cardio does.
whatever this is boring, you clearly don't actually lift or run because of the level of newbie shit you've said already. do your own actual research and you'll find that weightlifting is more than enough for building your heart and aesthetics
>>6556222 I don't lift, no. But I do run and do bodyweight exersizes. Don't act like I don't know what I'm talking about when I source the same article as you do, but I actually read it instead if cherry picking it.
>>6556246 I'm sure low intensity extended weight lifting does work the Oxidative system. Three sets of eight reps with rests in-between doesn't. You're obviously extremely defensive about this and you still haven't answered my initial question of how weight lifting can strengthen the heart the same as a 20 minute run. Hint: [Spoiler]it can't unless you're doing 20 minutes of nonstop weight lifting.[/spoiler]
>>6556260 The image doesn't actually say that. It talks about reducing test and increasing estrogen. It also talks about reducing body fat. It does not say increasing estrogen and decreasing test will reduce bodyfat.
>>6556284 >I'm dumping the article because it came from someone that actually knew what they were talking about instead of the idiots on /fit/ Also, heart rate at 130+ for one minute intervalsdoes not strengthen the heart nearly as much as a 20 minute jog does.
>>6556318 i wish there was a way to filter a typing style because yours reminds me of the snotty kid who gets in facebook arguments. not even going to address how stupid it is that you don't think they would have learned more about it than you have when it's literally their job to stay as healthy as possible for as long as possible while also maintaining their physique.
>>6556327 okay, whatever. it doesn't, you win. that doesn't mean that it's the best for most people to just jog, because you won't build any aesthetics and weight lifting builds your heart in a pretty significant way to begin with. call it backtracking, but people should still weightlift.
>>6556353 Oh I know low bf% takes a big diet change too. I've talked to plenty of women about it, at muches, college and work. Most of them that aren't really mainstream sheep don't like low bf% even with muscle.
>>6554365 I met some girl over the internet in like 7th grade that I thought was the hottest shit until pretty recently. When I first met her she was smarter than anyone I knew and was sad all the time and I was a fucking mongoloid that was sad all the time, but she had reason's to be sad. I guess we "dated" for a bit but shit happened and I ended up not talking to her for a year or so and being the most depressed I had ever been, got seperated from my IRL friends at school and went to a different middle school than them and I knew no one there, so I wasted every hour I wasn't at school playing WoW and every hour I was at school trying to remember her or sleeping. I ended up searching her on Facebook and started talking to her again on and off for a few years but so little had happened in my life so I never was interesting enough to hold an actual conversation. Eventually we got into arguments and I figured that I didn't really like her and, much earlier, that she didn't like me so it was pointless to continue. Life is kinda mellow now and I'm too shy and socially inept to meet other people or even talk to irl people other than two guys I met in like 6th grade, but they'll be out of school soon and have their own lives and I don't know what I'm going to do after that
>>6556371 I consider anything sub 10% low. Most people tend to find BP already attractive, though. You mentioned astetics first. I just specified that low bf% are worthless and most people I know find then unattractive. Mind, I'm at about 10% bf right now just because I forget to eat most of the time.
note the abdominal v lines, commonly called the adonis belt. these are best gained through enlarging your hip flexors and obliques through hypertrophy, and one of the best ways to cause hypertrophy is high weight and low volume weightlifting.
So question, how many people here find the line of hair going down a man's chest/stomach to his navel attractive? Also what do you call it, I've heard it referred to as the Treasure Trail more often than not.
Well, I'm a bi guy and I can't stand them. I'm always trying to shave mine, but it just feels like putting off the inevitable, it just comes right back after 2 weeks. I don't really mind a little bit of hair in other places but not there. Ugh.
>>6556408 >everyone in this thread is a man if i want them to be!!!!
a lot of these are a little too male focused to have really been drawn by a hetero guy, for one.
what did you ask them, specifically? it really sounds like you said something like "ugh, don't you think bodybuilders are GROSS" which is a pretty common sentiment, but most bodybuilders are fuckhuge and at 4-6%, if not lower, during a competition.
>>6556411 Just trim. Use an electric shaver. much faster, pretty much the same result unless someone is so close they can taste you. I'm hairy as fuck and there's no way I'm going to razor shave my entire body - I'd need to do it twice a week. Using an electric shaver on the closest setting saves an insane amount of time.
>>6556405 I've always known it as a snail trail or is this something seperate?
>>6556417 TAS is a dude, like that majority of people here, and I know three of those artists are hetero. But sure, let's say they aren't for sake of argument. Do any of them look like they lift? Aside from the bara? I specifically asked them about low bodyfat lifters. Mind I live in northern MI, where 17% bf muscley woodsmen are the norm.
This is pretty much what I already do, I don't trust myself with a razor around my nether regions. I just trim it down as much as I possibly can, along with rest of my pubic area, but all just grows back so quickly. Annoying as shit.
>>6556425 yes, actually. also, I'm pretty sure you probably said something like "I mean really big weightlifter guys idk" because you know so little about lifting, and also what the bodies of athletes really look like to begin with.
those shoulders and chests come from either hard bodyweight training (which is hard to do properly if you don't supplement it with weightlifting anyway, so moot point) or weightlifting. not to mention the thighs of the boy on the right.
>>6554499 again, hip flexors and thighs. looks pretty similar to my body.
>>6554558 shoulders and chest. artist has a really, really good knowledge of anatomy and knows what a stomach looks like in a person curled up, kudos.
>>6556442 No, I didn't say that. I specifically asked them about low bodyfat lifters. Not " LOL U know the really big ones" or any other bullshit you can come up with to try and justify your position. >tfw I was an army brat and did PT with my dad until I was 14 >tfw I was running for my track team in highschool
You really need to stop assuming stuff. >>6554338 Looks like a lean guy who does regular arm exercise, no heavy lifting required.
>>6554499 Those abs look special, but the thighs look like he does regular bodyweight squats, nothing more >>6554558 Shoulders look about the same as the first image, but with hairer arms and a good amount of work on the pectorals.
>>6556473 I wish someone would understand this. I sometimes want to get therapy to help me with this but I know exactly what the treatment already is and I really don't have anyone I want to connect with emotionally.
>>6556459 you didn't talk about the thighs though, they're huge. not to mention that if you're that small to begin with you won't get noticeable shoulders at all with...pullups? I can't even think of any not-advanced bodyweight exercises that target shoulders that well.
>>6556927 I feel like the earlier stuff in this thread was heavily shaming big, athletic guys, and that's just not cool. I know guys in these threads tend to be quite insecure but gentlemen, don't let some faggot on 4chan make you feel bad about lifting. Anyone who finds it unattractive has pleb taste anyway. Go forth! Squat! Row! Press! Get fucking huuuuuuuuuge!
>>6554365 He was a skinny frail looking white boy with brown hair and giant blue eyes. He had this look to him that seemed like he was always scared, but just in the eyes (think michael mcdonald from madtv).He seemed to be legitimately intelligent which was something rare in the people I knew. His grades were good as hell and everything went for him. He got appointed as the head of our EC program after a few months of being there and got a paid work abroad assignment handed to him by our program leader. Another guy who was there for 2+ years was hoping for the job and then left after he got snubbed for the position. He was close with both program leaders and was mentored by both of them. He did not like me but I still wanted him to be my friend and talk to me about interesting things. I also had fantasies of domming him which didnt happen before. He seemed very pure and innocent, unlike a lot of angry nerds I come across. He was trying to go after a girl who lived with her chad boyfriend, lol fuck.
>>6556092 >thinking a beginner knows what part of the chain is the weaker muscle I agree with the rest, though. But that part is gonna end up with someone doing a bunch of other shit because he thinks stuff that isn't ttrue Hell, Dan Green (IIRC) thought his squat was weak because of a weeak posterior chain - turns out it was weak quads. And he's a fucking professional.
>>6556263 >resting a fucking half a fucking minute between deadlifts Stop. Please stop. >>6556303 >Supermang being in charge of anything positive >Jeff posting on /fit/ I don't know who's trolling who anymore.
>>6556408 I'm the one who drew that comic. I must say that I don't think bodybuilders are appealing to me, especially when they have those Johnny Bravo/inverted triangle proportional where their legs look short in comparison. I do prefer bara with a bit of muscle when it's drawn, but in real life I prefer men with a bit more body fat, because I like being able to grab some skin and if I rest on top of them, I want to rest onto something soft.
When I was younger I used to be into cuteboys, and I thought traps were "so kawaii uwu", until I dated one. My ex was an underweight closeted-crossdresser (who recently ended up realising she was a lesbian transwoman) and really, it hurt cuddling up, all I could feel were her bones. During that time, having a boyfriend cuter than me made me feel pretty insecure too, haha. I realized I was just fulfilling my teenager fantasy, but there was nothing more after that. This was 6 years ago, so I knew next to nothing about trans people. Prior to that, I also dated a woman once, but we both realized we couldn't be sexually attracted to women, so we stopped right when we were about to try sex, haha.
But yeah, all those experiences helped me realize I prefer bigger guys, with some body hair.
Where are my cooking buddies at? I'm looking forward to Thanksgiving this year. It's going to be a little complicated because I'm working third shift this year but I got plans to make stuffed turkey, both greenbean and yam casserole, my garlic mashed potatoes and brusslesprouts and cauliflower for side veggies. I have some premade pies coming in because I don't have time to make them myself but I am making my own whipped cream for the pumpkin pies.
>>6557273 Oh, you are right, I messed up, haha. It really is confusing.
>>6557350 I have been with one for the last 4 years and really, no matter if you are skinny, chubby, hairy, apathetic, sarcastic, old, young, etc, everyone can be as cute as a "cuteboy". There's no need to look androgynous. It's all in the attitude and feeling comfortable about it, I believe.
Honestly, dominant women interested in sub baras isn't a rare thing, but nobody's going to be out there with a sign. Just look at all those straight/bi girls interested in Gamagori/Tsumugu from KLK, Metal Gear/TF2 characters, some Shingeki no Kyojin characters, Detective Gumshoe, etc.
>>6557343 I'm making vegan borscht and brewing beet kvass for Thanksgiving this year. My folks are hosting for the extended family so I plan on helping with the turkey and maybe making cornbread and some cookies as well. It's the first time I'm back with the family in half a year so I'm pretty sentimental.
>>6557082 >But yeah, all those experiences helped me realize I prefer bigger guys, with some body hair. <3 Someone who can snap any chain you put on them, but lets themselves be bound. Someone who can tower above you, but still make you feel in charge. Someone who crashes your plane with no survivors.
>>6557343 I'm making all of thanksgiving for my family. I've got all your southern traditions. Smoked turkey, green bean casserole, sweet potato casserole, squash casserole, home made cranberry sauce, mash potatoes, an apple pie, a pumpkin pie, and a gingerbread pumpkin parfait.
>>6557108 Because you hate clothes and enjoy it when people pet you? He looks utterly happy, and it's hard not to envy someone whose existence revolves around roaming the neighborhood and receiving random affection.
>>6557504 I think I do m8, given that I was very recently on the shitty end of it and he broke my fucking heart. Do us a favour, don't try to find a dom if you're that flavour of fucked up. We need our affection reciprocated.
>>6557512 Subspace Leathers do some nice simple ones, or Top to Bottom- both of those are UK based and have online shops. However, those are aimed at BDSM practitioners and so can be pricey- you might be able to get a good quality leather dog collar for a lot cheaper.
I just want to wear a collar so I feel cute. Wearing something for a dog isn't going to make me feel cute or horny but whenever I see nice collars they're way too expensive for something that I'm not even going to be wearing for someone else at the moment.
If you think women don't like low body-fat I'm afraid you're an idiot. There are girls who like chub and bearmode as well as everything under the sun, but there's a reason handsome young male actors and heartthrobs all have low bodyfat. It shows the definition of the male form beautifully. I wouldn't date a guy with bodyfat higher than 10% personally, but I'm an athlete myself so I don't have much tolerance for chub.
Most girls who are interested in heavier guys are heavier themselves in my experience. Fit people usually hook up with other fit people.
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