Reminder that /aco/ (you have to type in the whole url, you can't even link to it since An Hiro hasn't figured out how to properly add boards yet) is now a thing, so any western art goes there and not here.
I don't even browse /d/ this shit's disgusting, I just thought I'd pass the word from /qa/
Answer honestly and truthfully:
Do you regret finding this board at all?
RIP /d/, so many 10-post threads are gonna slide right off both boards because there isn't enough content in niche fetishes without including both sides of the ocean. Or does this new board allow eastern art as well?
If it allows eastern art then there's absolutely no reason for it to exist in the first place since at that point it's just /d/ 2.0 with less pages.
I can't help but think some assmad weeaboo still pissy at the fact the "no western," rule not having been enforced for years decided the ascension of chink moot provided a golden opportunity to get their way and went and bitched for it. Nobody else who's been a /d/ regular for the passed 5+ years cares or sees a reason for this.
I mean, just take a look at the Orc Chick thread. That entire thing would have to be moved, there's virtually nothing eastern in it.
Yea, how about you fuck off. Good porn is good porn, and alternative really doesn't have that much anyway. Fuck off with your elitist bull.
Go back to whatever boring board you came from, we've got daily Dimitri posts which are Western that arn't going anywhere. 50% + of the content in here are non slit-eyes style, nothing's going to change because it's what /d/ likes.
Are we going to enforce that just to piss on this a-hole? I mean, /d/'s community has 9/10 been fine with Western for a while, as in all honesty it's just more content from exceptionally niche fetishes.
>I just want crazy shit to rip my dick off too.
Don't we all
I don't mind western shit since there's good stuff among the bad, but fuck there's like 1 good for every 4 bad. I like cartoony, but the ones with more realistic faces are unfappable most of the time, and everytime I'm in the transformation/fusion threads I have to wade through stuff made by that one thick lip bimbo transformation guy or that fat slime + fusion artist guy. Unfortunately these are still material that keeps the thread alive so their removal would probably kill lots of threads around here, plus we'd lose the few good ones.
Except like people have said, that's going to kill off a shit ton of content here and people on /aco/ aren't going to like the freakier stuff.
90+% of the tf threads aren't from Japan, for instance.
I remember a time before normies took over. When /d/ as a whole looked down on western art.
Maybe this will finally set us free from the PC gang roaming the trap threads, the relationshit crap, all those inane western kinks like berries and inanimate tf.
I'm gonna lurk harder. I stopped coming here since 2010 because I couldn't tolerate the bs anymore but things are gonna change now
We should just change /d/ to "Alternative" tbh, and make it the exception to the no western rule.
Mainly because, at this point, there's too much overlap.
In an ideal world /aco/ wouldn't habe an effect on /d/, and would basically be a board for western rule 34 and western porn, which is a good idea imo. You know autistic weebs won't be able to leave well enough alone, and we'll end up with a segregated community which means less prob for everyone as /d/ is already slow enough as it is.
>inb4 some retarded solution like an all western /d/ alongside hentai /d/ because they don't want their board shit up with "obscure fetish shit."
>dupe threads with nothing but reposts and stupid chatting
Have you been to /u/? Less content doesn't prevent people from making the same thread over and over again. When threads are slower, people start connecting with others who share their interests. Soon, you return to the thread, not for images, but for discussion. Then you realize the horrible truth. You're in a general thread.
This is by an artist basis and not the theme, correct?
Japanese artist drawing a dickgirl of Wonder Woman would go here but a Western artist drawing a giantess of Princess Peach would go to /aco/?
/aco/ is a new board; it hasn't had time to develop a culture. Plus, the mods say that Western/Alternative content goes there. As such, it's perfectly safe for /d/ to invade it.
If anyone on /aco/ is inclined to complain about weird porn winding up on a porn board, they're shit out of luck.
Nobody likes this decision except maybe 1 in 20, why the hell are you enforcing it?
/d/ doesn't shit up the other boards, and usually just keeps to itself and it's own little fetishes. Why are you fucking this up?
A lot of staple threads will be hurt, with traffic being split up between multiple threads in multiple boards. /d/ will be slower and have less content, and more niche fetishes will be lost in the shuffle entirely on whatbwill inevitably be a faster and more populated, broader topic board.
More that I think there was no harm in it, still isn't. /d/ fetishes are the far end of extreme and there's barely much content as it is, I simply don't understand people wanting this rule enforced.
>there's barely much content as it is
maybe for the really, really obscure shit
but people were just posting western art for fetishes that already had a lot of eastern art, just to post western art
Basically the only /d/ fetish that there's a shit-tonne of art is futa, and I remember the days of /d/ being only eastern art and it was basically 95% futa.
We've got so much more than just Futa, I personally enjoy most of the weird shit here, we lose more by enforcing this rule than we could ever gain.
Pretty sure fetishes like vore and size related shit have hundreds if not thousands of pieces of eastern art
except no one posts it, leading to the conclusion that there is no eastern art of it
and there's plenty of fetishes where there is much less western content, like cyclops or tentacles, or monster girls
>The 'ban' on Western art is like the US's ban on weed.
they're hardly comparable now that there is a designated area to post it in
Great, now I'll have to wade through hoards of faggots and their eternal Adventure Time, Steven Universe, Frozen, etc threads and other boring vanilla threads in the hopes of maybe finding one of my obscure fetish threads if they haven't already been pushed to page 10 by normie shit.
Even on your example of Vore, Same-size vore is exceptionally rare in eastern. The problem is, by denying based on a style really does narrow down our selection for really stupid reasons
The problem is that Western Art general is too broad a topic to support smaller frtish communities.
Just like how Hentai is too broad for alt shit, which is why /d/ exists in the first place
In your thread?
Then allow me to repeat what many already have said:
Well, /d/, say goodbye to half your content. Introducing a new board which will also have half the content and even more spread out due to being a splinter of like six different boards.
As if new content wasn't already scarce enough.
I enjoy both eastern and western art. /d/ was a convenient onestop for most of my kinky, quirky shit, and has been for years. Didn't give a fuck where something is drawn or in what style if it can get me off, and having a board dedicated to collecting art for all of my fetishes was great.
Now the community will be torn in two, and most content and discussion will be lost as a result.
To all the people complaining about lack of rare content, then commission it or learn to draw.
/d/ was always about posting the finer stuff, not being your personal feed.
It has been enforced. But with little real hard and fast guidelines or notable exceptions other than demitris and no toons.
Seeing threads full of western after being banned for posting western has become a big problem.
Hope the new board is a fix.
Samesies, I just wish I could believe that /aco/ will be a good place at all. It won't, we're sharing with /h/, /e/, /u/, and /y/. I can look down this board and be interested in half the threads and find a bit of good content in each of them. Now there'll be half that in /d/ and a tenth of that in /aco/. RIP
holy shit this is going to end badly
/d/ is for weird shit, /h/ is for vanilla hentai
im fine with vanilla western going to /aco/, but /aco/ can't handle all the fetishes on /d/ along with normal porn
yes but the people posting eastern typically have the courtesy to not post shit they found on deviantart
and I wouldn't say they're equally shit
western is about 60% shit and eastern is about 40%
Why can't /aco/ just have vanilla western shit (like /h/ just has vanilla eastern shit) while /d/ has freaky shit from wherever. I don't like that my fetish porn is being sub divided by origin, I just want to fap to some specific shit.
It's just logic, the eastern 2d porn market is so much bigger than the western one
eastern artists usually draw to make money
western artists usually draw just to draw (b-but muh patreon)
there's just an intrinsic difference of quality expected
don't be a retard, physically moving hundreds, thousands of miles is much different than 3 clicks
Yeah, because we totally had a huge Family Guy spam problem right?
Kiss the bimbo threads and a good half or more of the fantasy threads goodbye.
Also, I don't think you guys realize this, but there are a shit load of western artists that contribute to the draw threads that aren't going to be allowed around here now.
Why does /aco/ have so few pages compared to /d/?
Honestly, my smut folders are about half and half eastern and western but at this point I'm done with /d/. If it's just going to become a slow gelbooru then I have no reason to be here.
I've been here a long time, and I legit havn't seen either of that,
>wanting to fuck kids
There's a line dude, don't cross it
There's nothing more disgusting than wanting to fuck kids or see kids get fucked. Take the happiest memory you have as a child. Now change that scenario to you getting fucked in the ass by the sweaty gross fuck you currently are, before you developed the twisted fetish you have and before you had a chance to understand the reasoning.
And as it stands, my /d/ fetish involves women of consenting age, without cocks, without bodily fluids covering them, without lack of fucking able consent. So you still win the disgusting title of worst fetish possible. Necrophilia would be better.
I don't think you understand what you're saying.
If you commission an artist or draw it yourself it is a Western product and as such it would be against the rules.
One-stop porn shop is closing. May as well make my own /d/-themed Reddit multiboard.
Feel sorry for the drawfags/whores/friends though. This board has an almost constant stream of OC because of drawthreads.
Not to mention, the "no western" rule hasn't applied to /d/ four years. Can't we all just fap in harmony?
It's always been against /d/ rules.
It's not suddenly MORE against the rules.
The fact that /aco/ exists is irrelevant because, for some incomprehensible reason, it's BANNED there.
There's a 2 week old Xeno thread up right now.
/cuteco/, /dco/, /lesco/, /gayco/. Something like that.
I mean why would these boards like /d/ exist in the first place if anyone honestly thought they could all happily coexist on /h/? That's glorious nippon onry to begin with so just delete all those boards and rename /h/ "adult anime".
That's about how dumb this half-assed "trial" board idea is.
Okay, kind of hard to do anything but assume when we're being vague.
I don't see an issue with dickgirls, simply not my taste. As long as the subject of your fetish is of a good age and is able to consent, nobody should give a shit what you want to jerk it to. But I don't want loli in d personally.
>the eastern 2d porn market is so much bigger than the western one
The market itself maybe, but not in terms of raw content produced.
>eastern artists usually draw to make money
>western artists usually draw just to draw
Pray tell, how many eastern artists show up here on /d/ to draw things for free because a random anon's idea struck a chord, they're practicing or just because they feel like hanging out?
>there's just an intrinsic difference of quality expected
Only to people who are blatantly and obviously biased in one direction or another.
>except no one posts it, leading to the conclusion that there is no eastern art of it
Getting rid of western content isn't going to magically fix this.
>But I don't want loli in d personally
my point is it's already in fucking /d/, you clown
it would be much more easy and efficient to transfer loli to this board rather than create a new one
but I'm sure easily offended faggots like you would throw a bitchfit so I guess I'm reconsidering my suggestion
It's likely they're just waiting for the current threads to die. The orc lady thread is completely western and writefags and still there, but that's a prime example of what this board now officially doesn't support.
Yes, just ignore the use of the word "usually"
not all eastern artists draw for money but a majority sure do with at least some of their work
and raw amount produced has no correlation with quality
who the fuck goes to a porn board for the style?
you go for content either to enjoy or avoid things
having everything there is kinda pointless and is gonna either push out content or only have people who are cool with everything their
Hell, tell him it's a bad idea for all the current porn boards. This rips content from a few different boards, like /u/, /i/, and /cm/. It's going to do nothing but fracture already-existing communities, not add a new community. That's one thing moot always said he wanted to avoid unless it was overbearing (like /vp/'s break from /v/).
This also isn't a /vr/ situation where it provides a previously missing space to discuss a particular topic. This new board adds nothing but subtracts from everywhere else even casually related to it. For example, we'll lose /d/rawfriends, Dmitrys, InCase, several fetishes almost entirely, and what do we get in return? It's not an increase in quality, it's a decrease in activity and diversity, meaning we'll return to the days when the board is 85% futa, endless reposting of the same old shit, with the rare bump of new content in August and December. Nothing is improving with this decision for anybody, except for lewdfags in the /co/ drawthreads maybe.
So if I want to make a thread about say... Bitchsuits where am I supposed to post that? About half my bitchsuit art is western and the other half is eastern. /aco/ is full of vanilla shit and threads are more about characters from specific series than specific fetishes. It doesn't seem appropriate to post my western bitchsuit art there.
What the fuck 4chan. I need a place to post my western art of women turning into dildos and sexy jetplanes.
>This also isn't a /vr/ situation where it provides a previously missing space to discuss a particular topic. This new board adds nothing but subtracts from everywhere else even casually related to it. For example, we'll lose /d/rawfriends, Dmitrys, InCase, several fetishes almost entirely, and what do we get in return? It's not an increase in quality, it's a decrease in activity and diversity, meaning we'll return to the days when the board is 85% futa, endless reposting of the same old shit, with the rare bump of new content in August and December. Nothing is improving with this decision for anybody, except for lewdfags in the /co/ drawthreads maybe.
this is probably the most clear and consise description of the problem that I've seen, good job friend
>and raw amount produced has no correlation with quality
So why did you bring up the size of the market at all to begin with?
>not all eastern artists draw for money but a majority sure do with at least some of their work
I wasn't disputing that. I was trying to get you to see that this place has been very welcoming to burgeoning artists with different styles and that is all down the drain if this rule starts getting enforced. Eastern artists don't show up here to fulfill silly requests for actual OC.
I mean, I understand the people who only want one style around here, but I don't think they get that if this shit gets taken seriously they aren't going to win either for all the reasons you said.
>So why did you bring up the size of the market at all to begin with?
because I was never referring to the size of the market in terms of manpower, you dolt. "size of the market" usually refers to money
>new porn board for western shit.
>still no furry board
I think the worst part is knowing it's solely because of those 10 assholes that would samefag /qa/ and /b/ to the appocalypse trying get the board deleted
It'd be fine if the majority of westernshit wasn't pure garbage.
I would never want to live in Japan and I think Japan sucks in a lot of ways, but they definitely make more appealing drawings.
No it doesn't. You could easily say the opposite, that someone doing something for the passion of it will produce something better than someone shilling for cash. Or you could just compare an amateur to a professional artist capable of getting their shit sold.
It has no bearing because either scenario is equally possible in any number of places with any number of people.
Yep. Is it western because it's drawn by a western artist, or eastern because he lives in Japan and draws it for Comiket?
Also, >Implying Dmitrys threads will be gone
>Implying Russia isn't eastern/in Asia
It's derived from but still noticeably different from Disney. It's usually pointy noses instead of round noses, angular faces instead of circles, and there are two gaps commonly found in the eyelashes. Bodies are generally scaled in a somewhat more realistic manner, whereas the faces are less so.
Dmitrys style has gotten more and more western over the years and he lives in Australia. Sorry to shit on your pancakes there.
>the health of futa threads does not depend on western contribution
And why does that even matter? Your solution is fucking stupid. "You can post western in these threads, but not these."
Fucking this. I've seen so much stupid fucking artist drama and DA garbage posted here it's a fucking nightmare when a thread happens to get one of those idiots in it posting nothing but middle school tier artwork.
I'm glad this is happening. There's plenty of fucking terrible eastern artists on pixiv, but at least people had the courtesy to not post that shit.
Looking at /aco/ right now there is one symbiote thread and people are shitting themselves because some of the art in it isn't up to whatever undefined "quality" standards the board has or lacks proper artist attribution.
Does this kill the drawfriends? Is symbiotes seriously the most pervy thing you can post western art of on 4chan? I don't see how this new board adds anything for /d/. It's just purging half the board (the productive and interesting half no less) so that futafags can have their own private wank sanctum.
Haha, no. You don't get to have it both ways faggot. Either you ban it all or don't.
This whole, "I want to be an elitist prick, but I realize I'll kill what I'm trying to control in the process so I'll pretend to make a compromise," shit is transparent.
I think the alternative fetishes trumps regional origin for /d/. I don't think the /co/ and /u/ crowd migrating to /aco/ is going to be into futanari sounding and diaper fetishes.
"I like western"=Opinion
"The western art style is made to look silly or to make muscular men in tights look cool, while the Japanese art style has evolved in a different direction since the 80s to emphasize cuteness and sexual attractiveness through an idealized look based on neoteny"=Fact
wait what about the hypno threads ? not saying everything was high quality, but the only ok quality eastern stuff is what, the unfinished mc school series from mizuryu and arguably monmon's dinarangers ?
The Japanese art style evolved to look sexually appealing (as well as cute at the same time. This aesthetic came to be known as moe), so by default, that makes anyone who's turned on by the western art style that's not made for being sexy a complete bottom scraper who's often too dumb to search out quality material for themselves.
They're the kind of people who constantly post "sauce?" instead of reverse searching, talk with emoticons, and generally behave like they're crossboarders or underage. As the rules say, the quality of posts is very important, and so those people aren't welcome here.
Have fun waiting for Japanese drawfags to fill your requests, then.
>Western art is against the rules on /d/
A rule that was never enforced by the mods and only ever served as an excuse for people to bitch and moan. It carries as much weight as the global rule against "uncalled for catchphrases".
So JJBA is designed to emphasize cuteness and neoteny? Wow. Learn something new every day. Must be weird having an entire country draw with a single unified style. Certainly no room for anyone to draw something in a way they see fit. But remember, what's important is that it comes from the land of the rising sun.
Or maybe you're just fucking retarded.
>art style that's not made for being sexy a complete bottom scraper who's often too dumb to search out quality material for themselves.
>implying the origin of something is its definitive end.
>implying the context of human intelligence is decided by whether or not they know the source of something.
>implying there is no shitty eastern art.
There is no point with you.
>a series that takes place outside of Japan most of the time, has characters named after western bands and focuses a lot on how exotic other countries such as Italy and Egypt are
Yeah, totally not cherrypicked!
not him but
is there a single girl in JJBA that isn't qt as fuck?
Behold, the Faustian pact of pornography:
You loved it in the beginning. The thrill, the exotic novelty, the pleasure, you couldn't get enough of it; fuck the haters, the normalfags, the moralfags, the culture. You were a prisoner of society, and now you're free, and it's so wonderful, you couldn't imagine why anyone could ever think it was wrong. How could it be wrong if it felt so right?
Like a drug addict, you keep searching for more and more powerful stuff - futa, vore, diaper, animals, children, the kinkier, the better. Eventually, you reach the bottom of the well of porn, and even the most powerful stuff doesn't do it for you anymore.
One day, you will wake up and realize that you don't find almost anything arousing anymore; Nothing real, nothing fictitious and nothing in between. By substituting the truth with lies, you have found that the truth is no longer good enough - exciting enough, exotic enough - for you. And now, you are left with nothing. And you have no one to blame but yourself.
Now that was quite the clever comeback. What do you think people associate diapers to? Do you deny that scat-fetishism is big among those people? I'm not judging, I'm just saying it's not mainstream even on /d.
Is this how /d/eviants rationalize not having a girlfriend? I agree with what you're saying to a certain point, but there's a clear difference between reality and porn. Most people who search for extreme porn does it because they're unsatisfied in real life. Either because they can't live out specific kinks with real people or because they for some reason can't find a partner. The latter category of people is why you have people who wants brutal rape and impregnation manga/anime end with love.
>consumers of pornography have become so warped that they actually think anime is "good"
Nah, don't worry anon, it's not that bad. Weaning yourself off your endogenous drugs happens surprisingly quickly.
After you find everything boring, just run on empty a few weeks/couple months and you'll get a boner on glimpsing your dusty old vanilla stuff.
Have you ever tried erping anon? Sometimes it's nice to share in a sexual fantasy with someone, and despite what you might think it's not only weird fat men doing it.
you are diluted as fuck if you don't think the majority of d is normies with fetishes that are almost always more complemented by western art why cant you fags just take what you like instead of throwing a bitchfit
Posts like >>6478082 just show how much the moderation is out of touch with this board, if you went here for one day you would know it's dumb as fuck to enforce some pointless rule.
>Do you deny that scat-fetishism is big among those people?
It actually isn't all that popular with them. Most diaper fetishists find scat just as disgusting as anyone else. Peeing is a bit more popular, but to many, diaper fetishism is just like any other underwear fetish - enjoyed for things such as their visual appeal, tactile sensation or the feeling of humiliation.
I'm not actually from /d/. Someone linked /mlp/ to /aco/, which led here.
You remind me of the people on our board who complain about not having a "community" where they can "discuss" what they jerk off to. Good God, just come to /d/ and see what a community built around porn looks like.
I hid everything that was repost. The drawthreads were awesome. One every 2 months the humor thread had some new funnies in it.
The MC threads had some western artists putting out their latest works.
Now you're expected to 24/7 /aco, since it's way too high-trafic to retain any thread for more than a few hours. Fuck that.
And why is that exactly? My point was that the vast majority of the extreme porn lovers would get a heart attack if a real girl touched them. But then again, that's true for most people who like ponies.
Going to /aco/, the threads are almost exclusively normal vanilla heterosexual porn. There's a trap thread with like five posts in it, and the op is complaining that mods deleted the other trap thread.
I'm sensing some kind of failure to communicate here. The mod here says that western /d/ content is now banned, but there clearly isn't a home for it on /aco/ either. This is bullshit either way, stop fucking with the best porn board.
>I'm not actually from /d/
>come to /d/ and see what a community built around porn looks like
>ITS ALL MANCHILDREN
You'd know that's not even remotely true if you'd have been on this board for longer than 5 minutes and in more than just this thread.
nobody should obey that order. because the mods would have to be retarded to enforce it. it comes off more like they want the option to ban anyone they like because tons of content is against rule 3. stuff i doubt they even realize is western. 4chan mods have always been awfull, just look at the one on /tg/ that got banned and lost his position for shitposting. that mod was literally the worst example of modding, constantly banning and deleting content that did not even break any rules.
I wouldn't be surprised if purple up there is of the same mind set, changing what they personally don't like about a board rather than doing something thats in the communties best interest.
>the main audience of /aco/ is /co/, not /d/
Yet a sizable portion of /d/ will be forced to /aco/, meaning it'll basically become /d/2 when the /co/mrades and /u/nicorns can't handle the extreme stuff (which won't be seperated by thread as it is here, but instead mixed in among everything else) and leave, basically leaving us with a fractured board community for no real reason.
Though the month or so where /d/ and /u/ users try to co-exist on one board will be pretty comical, I guess.
/d/ has been fine for years. Why is this happening.
/d/ is the one board that had a decent, civilized community that didn't get overly hung up on segregations.
So much for a one stop shop of good porn. 60% of the fetish will be gone without another board to turn to.
If one was going to segregate the boards based on country of origin (which at this point has almost become indifferential) they should have atleast created a western alternative board.
We'll have to wait and see, but this feels like a really bad move to me.
/d/ should just ignore this and carry on as usual, try to sustain itself.
It had equilibrium, I hope the 12 people who wanted this are happy.
Then the /d/ segment that's being kicked off here have nowhere to go and we end up with a fractured board community for no real reason AND those people are plain fucked.
As-is this is just a clusterfuck to help nobody.
thats obviously intentional. because mods are not there to help you, they are there to power trip, and d3 is nothing but a rule for mods to furiously masturbate over how owned people they don't like are after banning them. it litterally makes no sense and isn't intended to do anything healthy to the board.
This isn't going to work.
I know you aren't going to listen to some random anon, but seriously /aco/ should just be a merger of the other hentai boards (/h/ + /y/ particularly) but for western stuff.
/d/ is kind of it's own ballgame, we don't really care much about the style, it's more the freaky shit.
mods are shit heads and like most people, dont like threats to their power, so odds are moot didnt sack them because all that would happen is they would be added back once moot left. either that or he didn't give a fuck. Moot pretty much white washes his own words since hes in the spotlight. he cant afford to publicly be the asshat he really is, just like most people. that doesn't make him especially bad, but given 4chans history it would be foolish to think hes above hunting down people he doesn't like and forcing his dick of modship down their throats.
I'd disagree with even merging /y/ into it. There isn't any homosexual material on /aco/ right now, it's absolutely flooded with pinups and vanilla heterosexual porn. Any /y/ content would just get buried because /y/ is a fairly slow board (or the threads would be deleted as is happening to every /d/ thread there)
/aco/ should literally just be western vanilla porn. That's it.
Sorry for speaking on behalf of the entire board, but I'm pretty sure most of us will side with western right now so the board doesn't fall apart.
Content will be seriously cut for the less seen fetishes, since /d/ stuff doesn't seem to be taken well on /aco/. The only things left will be the bog standard stuff like futa and vore.
Good point, I mentioned /y/ because when I was looking through the board earlier I saw quite a number of gay threads, but it would probably get outnumbered in the long run.
Much like how we can't have furry allowed on /aco/ (or any NSFW board other than /b/) because it would get completely over run by furfag content.
DIAF weeaboo. "Western Art" was just weeaboo speak for "poorly drawn", not art drawn by westerners.
God you autistic shits and your need to categorize everything in the world. You obsessive shits ruin everything you touch.
The damage is done regardless of whether or not this rule gets enforced now. The weebs have bubbled up from their cesspits and it took years for most of them to shut the fuck up before.
But hey, I guess making sure everything on the board matches your own selfish tastes is more important than the artists, the community, entire fetishes and other posters tastes.
You know those posts from people getting in weird as fuck /d threads saying how they're surprised how cool this place is ?
Literally can't read a single alternative thread in /aco without morons shitting it up with passive-aggro bullshit.
Is this really it ?
There was a lot more, that is basically a joke thread that I wasn't even intending to use as an example.
You're probably right that /y/ material would get flooded out on /aco/.
They might be able to have a dedicated general or two, but it'll be fairly shit for them.
we cant complain to hiroshima. theres litterally no way to contact him as 4chan phased out emailing. the mods have it set up so they are the sole arbiter after the executive power (moot) left. and unless he gets wise and drops an email address its not going to change anything.
inb4 /aco/ gets exactly zero traffic after a month or less. its literally that rule 34 site, except with a 4chan layout, and since theres not nearly enough alternative stuff there, everyones going to be returning with their western art
sorry, you bunch of weeaboo faggots, its not going to work. Also, way to make a new hentai board and it isnt futa. chinkmoot is no better than the old one
Nobody's won yet, brother. This battle's just beginning.
Change the rules so that western art is fine on hentai boards, but allow OPs to specify that western isn't on-topic. Enforce this. Bam. Now you don't need a new board and you don't have fetishes on /d/ having no home because there's little to no Japanese content and the people on /aco/ can't stand it.
This Eastern/Western divide doesn't quench my autism. I want to know whether my fapping material comes from Continental Europe, Great Britain and former Commonwealth nations, Northern Africa, Sub-Sahara Africa, the Middle East, North America or South America. It is hugely important to me and I will not be ignored. I will not stand for unknowingly fapping to Continental European dickgirls!
Hey mods once you begin the great purge can you get rid of the general threads too? The amount of offtopic and /soc/ in those threads are cancerous as fuck.
Specifically Japanese porn comics, not hideous western shit.
The no western on /d/ rule is not new and has been enforced strictly in the past.
If you don't remember when it was enforced strictly you have not been on /d/ very long.
Maybe a year or two at most.
You all must be upset to find that your tumblr drawings aren't allowed, but I assure you once the shift is made /d/ will return to being a hentai/alternative imageboard and the new board will contain the western art. This will be better for both boards.
I don't come to /d/ for relationship advice, take it elsewhere chad.
Yes a typo, you got me.
Don't forget to punctuate too.
>ENFORCEMENT OF THE RULE IS NOT NEW.
yeah it is
I've been here for 3 years and I've only seen a couple posts deleted for being western, and I'm pretty sure those were just deleted by the owners
/d/ has existed before western content was allowed here and it thrived just fine without western just a very short few years ago.
I see a LOT of posts on this board (majority of them) that are NOT western.
You are whining about nothing.
That's not the main thing really
it's just that /a/utists don't realize that a large majority of /d/ users also like western porn. People post both western and eastern, and sometimes they will get banned for doing that.
Now that people finally found a board where they can post without getting banned, this place is doomed.
>without western, /d/ is doomed!
except you've never been here and seen /d/ with western being forbidden. you're new, so I'll forgive your ignorance.
In point of fact:
/d/ has existed for a long time before you started browsing.
Most of the people complaining are NEW to this board.
Right now there are VERY FEW western posts on /d/. These posts do NOT make up the majority of the board or even half.
Following this chain of comments:
>The enforcement of this rule is not new
>Yeah it is, I've been here a short time and I don't remember it!
>You've been here a short time and I've been here longer and I've seen it enforced a lot and the board has never had problems with it enforced
>WELL EXCUSE ME FOR NOT SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON A FUCKING PORN BOARD!
Stop being indignant that you are new and just accept that there are people who know more about the subject than you.
western isnt the same as low quality
ive seen some shitty eastern artwork
besides, i enjoy art from both 'sides'. only the freaks try to limit it because their tastes are too obsessive.
good for you
ive been here for years and never seen them enforce anything.
everything was FINE.
your presence definitely doesnt present everyone, obviously. you gladly shut out an entire group of people, which ironically also enjoy eastern art, just because you like to be control freaks instead of letting people have fun.
you really are the reason why abdl threads had so many arguments. granted, some were other than this but a huge portion was prissy cunts like you whining all the time. limiting things and limiting everyones enjoyment.
no fun allowed cunts
>ive been here for years and never seen them enforce anything.
Then you haven't been here that long.
if you haven't noticed, many other times in the thread people have mentioned that the western rule hasn't been followed in a long time. Bringing up that they followed it several years ago is less relevant to how /d/ operates nowadays than how it has been operating for the last several years
i never visited /d/ years back but i am definitely not new to 4 chan.
i don't give a shit how long you have been here. you are entirely incapable of reason and must resort to claiming some superior hierarchy.
like i have said. there was a community element to these boards and for years no one cared. no one enforced anything because everything was fine. but because you didn't want to use your scrolls button on your mouse, you had to make it so that everyone has to adhere to your likes and dislikes.
its like having a club that started with certain rules but evolved over time to include other things as well. Everyone is ok with it. even happy with it. then the purists come in and crash the club ending up ruining things for people that don't give a shit about your purist nonsense.
The mods have posted and stickied threads for long periods of time.
I told you that the enforcement of the rule isn't new.
Now you're deflecting.
This however is moot since whether or not something is different doesn't mean you can ASSUME.
If you _see_ less enforcement of the rules you can't assume something has changed from the mods. In any case,
However, the reason mods haven't enforced the rule is because it got few reports and 4chan has been getting a lot of reports; If you're not aware of how the report system works (and I'm sure you don't, you're new here,) there's a "queue" or, list. Posts with fewer reports are _always_ at the bottom, and because of that, they RARELY get attended to by moderators or admin staff unless they have a lot of reports. The reason the rule went under moderated was not due to the moderators choosing not to. But was because they were unaware.
The rule refers to style or artist/origin.
eastern styled/anime/hentai is permissible.
What a shitty argument that needs no addressing. Yet I did just above.
>>The rule refers to style or artist/origin.
>>Durrr deres no contradiction here!
you sound like a retarded prosecuter from the PW series. /d/ is litterally filled to the armpits with western in origin artists. your claim that there is a small number of them is fucking bogus. some threads have more western in origin art than not. furthermore the only way someone would ever be able to tell is to know who drew the image in the first place.
>you sound like a retarded prosecuter from the PW series. /d/ is litterally filled to the armpits with western in origin artists
This is fine. As long as the style is anime/hentai style.
/d/ has had no problem enforcing this rule in the past. Do you know why? Because you can look at something and tell if it's "hentai" styled or not.
The two are NOT mutually exclusive.
You can have a western artist draw in a hentai/anime/eastern style.
How is that hard to understand? You seem to think this is persecution based on where an artist is from. This is a complete misconception and error.
Alright. It sounds like we need to complain to Mootwo that with enforcement of the no Western rule and /aco/ not allowing non-human stuff that there's no longer a home for our weird fetish material. Either /aco/ gets more lenient or the Western rule gets bent.
>he mods have posted and stickied threads for long periods of time.
we know. what we are saying is that it wasnt enforced because it wasn't a big deal.
that post you post is from 2008.
>>thats fine as long as the style
No, it fucking isn't.
pay the fuck attention to the current system of rules and what mods are saying. it says fan art. the aco thread says its for both western style, or western in origin.
in other words style doesn't count. if its drawn by someone outside of east asia, it belongs on aco
And I remember when it was enforced.
It wasn't a problem when it wasn't enforced.
I know the rule inside and out.
I've been here with the rule enforced longer than you. This is where I know the rule better than you and how it's been enforced better than you.
I've seen how it's enforced. You haven't.
We developed a certain context in those replies so I thought you were referring to art.
Besides, lots of people post low quality posts. It's about content anyway, not about whether or not you capitalize i's
4chan is the least place to say we have a quality standard, sheesh.
>that with enforcement of the no Western rule and /aco/ not allowing non-human stuff that there's no longer a home for our weird fetish material.
There's no home for furry either aside from /b/.
>return to status quo
>I do not think it means what you think it means.
Status quo is relative.
For me, no western on /d/ is status quo.
Even more poignant:
>Fuck off. The status quo works fine
Then why change it from
"no western on /d/"
"ok let's let western on now"
Because no western on /d/ was the status quo.
And then it got changed. Why was the status quo on /d/ changed if it was just fine?
>I'm gonna keep breaking the rules and insult anon while I'm at it because that will definitely prove my point!
Or send it off to /b/. Not everything belongs to a board on 4chan.
Correct me if I'm wrong but anon is saying the status quo should be one that follows the rules. As in the original status of the board.
Because it turns out that the vast majority of people on /d/ who enjoy and post Eastern alternative hentai don't actually care about whether their fetishes are drawn in Japanese style?
And it turns out the mods didn't even really care either?
The thing about pointless rules is that things only get better when you ignore them.
>everyone is shitposting so it must be fine!
Do not defend low quality posts on 4chan, if you don't care how idiots type go back to reddit or some underageb& shithole and you can have all the low quality posts and emoticons you want.
A new board has been created and this would be an optimal time to change the rule-breaking status quo by sending your western art elsewhere and making this a hentai board again.
>>I know de rules
>>things always work as they have before
thats wonderful twinkleshit. its not like we haven't gone through new mods and ownership and kinds of moderation in the past iunno, 3 years or so. are you so fucking up your own ass you litterally think your word on this is law? because news flash, the mods aren't saying what you are. theyre saying different shit. and its in easy to read writing.
of course you disagree.
i didn't like messy diaper art but i didn't complain and ruin other peoples amusement. as long as it was abdl related i was fine with it.
literally just want to be spiteful.
because a small minority yelled and screamed enough until they got what they want
why did it become the status quo to begin win? because the community was evolving and became more relaxed until every thread was some art purist whining about "western art".
oh, the typo confused me, nm
did i say that i enjoy low quality? no
at least i dont confuse the way someone types with quality.
a guy that has something profound to say doesn't become less profound just because he has a lisp.
I know what verbatim means. but do you? because as I've already said, the mods are enforcing based on location not just style. origin. and since according to you they're just reitterating the same fucking ruling, its pretty fucking obvious that origin counts. IE non east asian artists' artwork are banned from being posted on /d/
>because a small minority yelled and screamed enough until they got what they want
I did nothing of the sort in point of fact.
You didn't answer my question though.
Why did the original status quo of "No western on /d/" need to change if "status quo is fucking fine"
I answered your question.
Theres also the possibility that that new owner doesnt know better and is simply out of the loop and just read the rules and followed them without any understanding of how things have changed.
If they're enforcing the same rule, which is not a new rule at all, I see no reason that how that rule is read and enforced will changed since its past iterations, do you?
The way the rule is written now is the same as it was then.
And yet back then, the way it was enforced was based on one or the other makes it ok.
If it's eastern in origin, it's ok. -OR-
If it's eastern in style, it's ok.
The way the rule as it is written now, is the same as it was written then. And that was how it was previously enforced.
So why do you believe the enforcement will change?
>I answered your question.
No you didn't.
>Theres also the possibility that that new owner doesnt know better and is simply out of the loop and just read the rules and followed them without any understanding of how things have changed.
Moot and Nishimura have been talking. A LOT. For 6 months. You know this of course because you aren't ignorant.
On the contrary, your poor punctuation and inability to capitalize necessary words makes me think of you as uneducated, lazy, and someone unable to put forth the minimal effort to make your post professional.
It is entirely possible the population of 4chan has changed since I arrived though and I may be advocating interests that are no longer relevant to to the site.
the funny thing is that "my" status quo served everyone while eastern only quo only serves eastern people.
Besides, we were arguing what WAS the status quo not whether or not its good. kay?
>And then it got changed. Why was the status quo on /d/ changed if it was just fine?
Because it wasn't fine. You answered your own question, anon.
>If it's eastern in origin, it's ok.
I'll make sure I remember that when Dmitrys (The russian/Austrailian (Which is still in the eastern hemisphere therefore eastern) artist) gets deleted.
Even here, you give trolls an inch they'll take a mile.
yeah /d/ was such a nice board
this thread even started pretty reasonable, now it's just salty dickheads arguing with eachother
Your status quo serves only you.
Mine serves me.
>Besides, we were arguing what WAS the status quo not whether or not its good. kay?
You literally said:
>Fuck off. The status quo works fine
To which I pointed out:
The original status quo was enforcement of the rule.
Which, if what you said was true:
enforcement of the rule was fine.
>Because it wasn't fine
>Fuck off. The status quo works fine
>I'll make sure I remember that when Dmitrys (The russian/Austrailian (Which is still in the eastern hemisphere therefore eastern) artist) gets deleted.
For those wondering.
This mod post was made when no western on /d/ was enforced.
It wasn't written down on /d/'s rules page but was enforced from /h/'s page because /d/ was considered (and still is) an alternative page for /h/, so it used the same rule.
And thus had the same rule as it does now.
No, it serves everyone because you can still post eastern artwork.
Actually, they were having an argument on whether or not enforcement was the status quo then arguing about the word meaning ensued. It was eventually realized that non-enforcement and not enforcement became the status quo.
So therefore, if you were all about the status quo, you should be for non-enforcement since it was the status quo for quite some time.
If the status quo was fine it wouldn't have changed. THe only reason it's changing now is because the mod doesn't have shit to do with the board and feels the need to throw his weight around. From everything i've seen more /d/eviants are against this change than are for it, so it's a negative move for everyone except your vocal minority who want to make new content a rarity and delete several fetishes from the board entirely because of some idiotic idea that nobody in the western hemisphere can be a quality artist.
>If the status quo was fine it wouldn't have changed.
But how would you know?
You weren't there when it did.
When I was there, it was a very small vocal minority posting it and whenever they were corrected they BITCHED LOUDLY.
>Actually, they were having an argument on whether or not enforcement was the status quo then arguing about the word meaning ensued
You literally said the status quo is fucking fine.
I pointed out the status quo was first for enforcement.
I'm glad you know my 4chan browsing history. There was an uproar then it was soon agreed that it was a welcome change once it proved to not be the calamity people expected it to be.
At that point it's somewhat reasonable to be worried because you don't know what that could bring. At this point, we've seen both forms of /d/ and more people agree that non-enforcement version is better than enforcement version.
>No, it serves everyone because you can still post eastern artwork.
By that logic you could let the furries in and even though furry threads would crowd out everything else on the board and attract the very worst kind of posters everything would be fine because:
>muh status quo serves everyone
Against the rules is against the rules, your status quo is irrelevant.
4chan isn't now nor has it ever been a democracy.
I think that's where the problem and error in perception is coming from.
You think that since people stopped wanting the rule enforced you also think the mods listened to you there was democratic action involved.
>> do you?
yes, you fucking moron, because the rule allows for it and the interpretations of the mods are posted to confirm it as the likeliest possibility.
and the way the rule is written now clearly says no western art and fan art. which means no western art and no fan art (all art that is fan art would be banned) or no western art and fan art (meaning western in origin fan art) or no western art or fan art in the western style, (which is fucking redundant)
Furry isn't the same as subjective art style.
Furry literally anthropomorphizes animals which turns the context of the art into something else. Delving it even into other fetish territory.
There is a huge difference between furry and art style.
eastern and western both depict the same things: men and women wearing diapers. Not animals.
it's not irrelevant. It's very much relevant that it wasn't enforced.
>It's a totally different thing!
Furries have made the exact same argument.
All that means is that the wishes of the people on this board don't matter. It means it WILL happen, while what we're discussing here is if it SHOULD happen, and lamenting the board because we realize how much this is going to hurt the place. The mods have always just done what they wanted without any regard for the board anyway, so it's not surprising. Just dissappointing.
Look through the thread, more people are disappointed than enheartened. Also the argument isn't entirely popularity, it's that most people recognize what's going to happen and are hating that it's happening with no way to stop it.
nobody thinks that. at least nobody but the massive ammount of mlp hating faggots who whined so hard GR 15 was made. those people probably actually do think 4chan is run by the mob. we on the other hand prefer making our intentions clear to the mods that they may decide its too much trouble to enforce, which has always been a legitimate strategy in power structures like dictatorships and monarchies.
To point out the relevant bit:
"People asking for strict boundaries and clarifications on what should already be culturally-evident mores and policies are trying to intentionally toe the line. The rule has always been "no furries" so fuck all of you assholes who think that you're somehow better than a rule that's been in place since the inception of the fucking site over six years ago"
You can literally take his response and apply it to "no western."
And their argument was equally shitty.
Your argument is shitty.
How do you not see how their argument of, "but the rule is dumb because muh relativism fallacy!"
nobody is questioning whether the rule is legitimate dumbfuck. we're saying it's retarded and shouldn't be enforced. in the same way most people today think an old unenforced ordinance not to sell groceries on sundays should not suddenly be enforced because some ruleslawyer dug it out of the city's laws.
Honestly of all the people who say western should be allowed, and all my interactions with them in the past:
Be gone. I hope the door hits you on the way out. I like some western porn, I like some hentai porn.
But as people? You are bad people. You are all cruel, mean people who won't even oblige the rules when asked nicely and get as uppity and spiteful as furries when politely and nicely and kindly pointed to the rules and you get INDIGNANT AND PRIDEFUL that you DESERVE to have your content here for no reason other than you came in here and clicked /d/.
Not at all.
Rules have a purpose.
If a rule makes no sense and only divides everything, you toss it out.
you can't explain why it's a poor argument other than using an unrelated argument.
for years, the mods did think the rules against western was dumb so that isn't irrelevant. its pretty relevant to the points being made.
all you can cling to is what was a rule years ago. you can't explain exactly why western is the same as allowing furry other than clinging to this idea that the rules years ago are very important for some unknown reason.
And for years, the mods felt they knew better than those people that were for enforcement.
your arguments are very weak.
again, rules have purpose. being against western has no purpose other than "because the rule said so and err that's all bro"
it's like a tribe that sacrifices virgins in a volcano. Someone asks why we still do this and the response they receive is "because that's just how it is". It's a stupid response. it's a non-answer.
Honestly of all the people who say western should be disallowed, and all my interactions with them in the past:
Be gone. I hope the door hits you on the way out. I like some western porn, I like some hentai porn.
But as people? You are bad people. You are all cruel, mean people who always roll over when asked nicely and get as uppity and spiteful as furries when politely and nicely and kindly reminded that not every rule is just and you get INDIGNANT AND PRIDEFUL that you DESERVE to have content you don't like removed for no reason other than you came in here and clicked /d/.