TG, Gender Bender, whatever you call it
Post guys becoming girls or vice versa.
It's because people shouted themselves hoarse complaining about the futa spammer.
We already have a problem with the same pictures (and stupid derails) getting posted again and again. Some lazy asshole starting a new thread with one post of a shitty KISS screenshot isn't helping.
It's this shit that makes other threads get bumped off. I've saved a few threads from page 10, but with the mindset like this it just pisses me off. It's literally a Lemming line. "Oh people are doing it, I should too." Did you ever get asked "if everyone jumps off a cliff, would you?" It's a bad example parents use, but the goddamn point is there.
While /d/ is a hot mess right now, it's at least maintained in the right places. Futa is everywhere because everyone is collectively gay and draws a ton of it. With a lot more futa out there compared to any other type of fetish, people are going to look to combine fetishes such as futa and blue skin. This is WHY there are 7 pages of futa. If you took the time you spent making and bumping this thread to research that for a hot minute, you would realize this.
This thread is only a duplicat thread with a preexisting thread that has neither reached the image or bump limit. This thread is a waste of space.
The problem is that you say that the difference between one futa thread and another is enough to excuse his existence. I follow you on that: it sure isn’t good for diversities, but it’s the best we had to work with the amount of futa type people.
But it comes to one problem. Gender bender, TG and futa (in this case, in some matters) refer to the "same" fetish, which is totally untrue. The content right now on the other thread is filled with futa, so the concept on gender bender is really badly represented. People who dislikes futa (I won’t say me, but I have my limit; seeing dick everywhere is kind of redundant).
I can understand people do a lot of useless thread (the best example is from requesting shit), but bashing on gender bender/TG is clearly not the best target.
I understand your point but you are shooting on the wrong guys, at least, on the wrong thread. I know that saying that we aren’t the worst isn’t a good argument, but nonetheless, it’s true.
but see, its different with futa, see theres "farting futa" and "futa with balls or no balls" and "futa having sex" and "futa alien" and "futa TG' and "futa smelly feet" they are all so desperately unique and MUST have their own threads, unless your some sort of fascist that believes just because its futa means it belongs in the thread already designated futa like its some suboptimal fetish like TG/hypno/bondage/monster-girl/giantess are or something
Well, lets turn this around then. If TG was the mass produced porn, it's likely the same situatioun would turn out where we have TG fart threads. Again, there is SO much of it that people will make it with other elements of their own fetishes.
TG is uncommon. It's not exactly rare, but think about society and the connection to TG and MtF's. The MtF's want to be the opposite gender and society frowns upon it because we're close minded faggots who don't know about accepting each other. This then boils into how it affects what is made. We are taught what is normal and that being our gender is normal, so TG isn't something that would normally cross our minds unless it was our fetish.
Applying this logic (or lack thereof as I'm tired as balls), we should break down the elements of futa. It's sex. Penis and vagina. It's girl and girl. Sex. Lesbians. Guys love sex, they love lesbians. Combine. Win. That's how I can rationalize it for them, but not everyone thinks alike. Some people may like chicks with dicks. Maybe some of them want to BE said chick with dick. The "norm" is more likely the lesbian and dick-in-vagina combo.
Society currently is way more open to gays and lesbians, so it's not surprising that futa is huge, where society frowns on the crossdressers, traps, MtF's/FtM's, etc, and therws not a lot of it. Hell, there's not even a lot of hypnosis or "evil corruption", not to be mixed with corruption in the government, to make it a super common thing. Hypnosis shit is just art with spirals in eyes, and corruption is just one image shooped 20 times.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe my current understanding of society and/or the human mind is off. Maybe I need to study more psychology.
Futa with balls, blue-skin futa farting futa?
Come on you could very well limit the amount of futa threads.
I can see that there are so many because for some, to me, unexplainable reason futa is so damn popular. I'm sorry, but I'm not fond of it. I'm more of the TG, TF, Absorption type, ect.
I know they're not commen, but it's certainly no joy having to scroll over 10 threads of only slightly differing futa- material before, if at all, I find one of the threads I enjoy.
And then someone decides, hey we didn't have this only slightly different variation of futa yet, let's make a thread for it. And the threads dealing with the less popular fetishes... like ours, get screwed over and tossed out.
It's just my opinion, but I think porn is porn unless the person that views it chooses to see a creation is something realistic. I don't cross-dress, I'm not trans, and I have a sexual appreciation for both male and female body types.
So that's what TG is to me, something I look at. But I've also realized I have a strange attraction to transgender people that I've never chosen to act on in real life.
So that might be why I have a gender bender kink too.
And for the record, attraction to transgenders has been something I've had before I took a liking to the feminization kink, so my opinion is valid through personal experience and unchanging.
Whine thread dedicated to futa? Let's change that, then. Commandeering this thread for female to drag queen. Dumping Diggerman.
you know that the other tg thread was about
male or female to futa?
you know that the first guy who got mad was mad because theres already a thread about tg? we tried to convince him it wasnt like futa ones because futa is a big fetish an all. we "suceed" by saying that gender is different enough to be in a differen thread than tg.
but then you make him right by posting, again and again, futa stuff. you proove him right by derailing, another time, a thread hardly able to survive on its own. you have shown that this thread was a useless copy of thread arleady over represented
and dont start with "this isnt futa"
seriously, did you even took time to read at least the first posts
damn this thread is useless
sage, let it die, another gender/tg thread eaten by the tons of futa thread around it
(if im mean, please excuse me, its just that gender (in my case) is always killed by something (lot of words/western shit/same content) and im finnished with this non sense)
pic so i wont be critize about me non contribution, its the simplest i've find
I'm curious as to what 1-3 were like.
4 is here http://sahadou.com/anthology-sex-change-vol-4/
I feel like futa has become more common than actual porn/hentai. It's like one porn/hentai comic is accompanied by 2-3 futa comics.
TL:DR Futa doesn't belong in d/ anymore (my own opinion).
A new Farfalla's coming out, after a long wait
Great sequence by the ike lover guy, separate images here: http://lozuratekinanomo.blog116.fc2.com/blog-entry-242.html
Oh that's great to hear. Farfalla is one of my favorites, and always thought the ending to that came about just a bit too quickly. Thanks for the heads up.
I added some TG anime to my site today. If you guys care for it or not.
Cheeky Angel: http://mahzo.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=37
Gonna be the Twin-Tail!!: http://mahzo.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=35
Yamada-kun and the Seven Witches: http://mahzo.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=36
More to come
ya nyotaika in moonrunes will usually just give you characters that are already female. You need to look tho. there's treasure troves of that stuff just waiting to be found.
check out delta-tsf while ur at it. he's good.
I understand that there is a drought of new TG stuff, but you have to have some standards, man.
I'll never understand why there's someone asking for it every single thread
This one makes me dokidoki
I wouldn't mind translating it in the near future, if no one else has or will.
>Guy becomes girl
>Does it with a girl (who was never a man)
>Never at any point does anything with guys or penises (the dildo didn't really need to look that much like a penis, but oh well)
I swear to fuck that this is the first porn of this type ever made. I have been searching for something like this for so long. Thank you so much for posting this!
Gonna dump a most recent doujin. 2/3rds TG/bodyswap, 1/3 hypnosis.
So I'll dump the first 2/3rds here.
Some hypnosis spiced here and there
I'll post the rest of this in the hypno thread later.
Nobody bothers because, as we mentioned before, it's all shit.
Seriously, if you're that plumb out of content to whack off too, I'd be happy to share my pastebin of tolerable TG fiction.
Not him, but do you have any TG fiction about a guy becoming a girl and then only doing stuff with girls? Preferably one involving a sudden and full transformation, where the person ends up happy as a lesbian?
Indeed I do.
A variety of types are in there, but some focus is more on stories that aren't just porn. Like, they actually have character development and conflict and shit. I also have a thing for reality changes, where the entire universe changes so that as far as everyone is concerned the protag was born a girl, so a couple of them are like that.
I've also tried my hand at making some fiction that doesn't suck, but I seem to get writer's block on a regular basis.
special request, first off ALL of this
B. I am so sick of the TG and they accept it. A lot of people would hate it and I expect a man, being a woman, with a man or even a woman (depending) would hate sex. And damn, I'd love to see it.
So, any, TG rape? Hate? Anguish?
I swear I have done this exact same search before and found fucking nothing, yet now there's multiple pages. What happened? The very first doujin I looked at was fucking awesome, at least until the girl (who was always a girl) suddenly sprouted a cock and fucked the former-boy with it. Hopefully I can find more stuff, but without that last bit.
Well fuck, now I know why I felt like I found fucking nothing before
>All the stuff where one of the girls grows a dick is still tagged as yuri
>All the stuff where the former-boy fucks and sucks off lots of dudes is still tagged as yuri if (s)he fools around with a girl even a little bit
Outside of a really short Kashimashi doujin (which was all right except for how short it was), the exceptions to these that I've found so far involve a guy maliciously possessing a girl just to rape another girl (or multiple guys maliciously possessing multiple girls to do something I didn't care to find out), which isn't what I'm looking for either. I've yet to find anything involving a girl transforming a guy into a girl for lesbian reasons, unless there was futa or something involved because I'm skipping everything that's obviously involves dicks. That said, I'm also using the 'english' tag and am deliberately ignoring everything western, but I really hope that's not the reason I'm missing everything.
Here is an update
These ones are more cross dressing than TG but they have been added none the less. There are a lot of other TG related stuff on the site too.
Wandering Son - http://mahzo.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=40
I My Me! Strawberry Eggs - http://mahzo.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=42
Happiness! - http://mahzo.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=41
Will post more as I upload them.
>They might be good series, but you're somewhat missing the point.
Not really! Trust me I've been running the TG scene well before 2005. I know it's not considered TG but so people might like it. Plus my site has been devoted to TG since 2009. I'm pretty sure I understand it very well.
What you say might be true for your own site (you run it the way you want it, after all), but we were not talking about what you put on you site, but what you post in this thread. I am pretty sure /d/ has already a crossdress thread running and if not, you can even start it yourself.
> Thread's dying
Well I guess reposts are better than no posts
I'm not sure I'd call it one of the best, but to be honest, there are few decent ones that actually have the TG be the true focus of the game.
I'd be much happier with it were it finished in any true capacity.
The creator has pretty much disappeared. His last post several months ago stated that he's not even going to post again until he has a new update, but considering how unmotivated he sounded, I wouldn't hold my breath.
Either an update will come out of nowhere some day, or the creator will never be heard from again. I'm inclined to say the latter.
That in mind, I've gotten to the point where I'm prepared to write my own branches for Press Switch. Unfortunately I'm a programmer, not a writer.
If some writefags are willing to throw together some scripts I'd be more than willing to implement them into the game.
I'm not saying its dead by any means. I'm just tired of waiting for an update that has no guarantee of ever arriving. To the point where I'm willing to help develop new branches to tide us over in the meantime.
Who knows, maybe seeing fans picking up their project may motivate the creator some.
History major here. I'm no English major but I've written a shit ton of papers and a decent amount of TG stories. I'd be willing to work on an outline or possibly more for pure TG route
I think I will. :). Although filling in my favorite incomplete arcs seems like a good first step before announcing a call for programmers in the middle of their forum. Get some experience first with that style of writing before proposing a new project. That said, I do have several ideas.
I don't think it's a good idea. People can get offended by someone mucking up a game they like.
Also, you don't need to call for programmers, you need writers. Mashing a script into renpy is easy.
Fun fact. I actually tried adding a pure genderswap branch for Press Switch, but I only had limited knowledge of RenPy (I just made my code look like previous code examples) and got writers block so I was unable to go any further.
If you want, I can upload what I had made so far.
I'd be willing to get in on this. I actually started learning Ren'py a few days ago so I could make my own VN to fill the void until more Press switch.
I'd be happy to write some stuff for a collaborative original project, but depending on what fetishes are and are not going to be permitted, that might change things.
He has said that he will not post updates until he has a significant addition to the game.
Also, this game to him is not so much a project he actively trying to complete, but as an outlet for his own writing where he can write as much or little as he wants. It is natural if it doesn't get attention if he never gets in the mood to write for a while.
This also means he probably won't be open to collaborative efforts as the completion of the game is not really a priority.
As the writer and programmer you're pretty much the de facto team leader. Find a 3D artist (they have impeccable work ethic). Make him do 2D art. After that, all you need's a music guy (or not). Forget the sound, it doesn't help with immersion at all.
Don't worry about fetishes because you're going to cram them all in there. But I personally enjoy disproportional balloon tits. Also for some reason, subpar art of my fetishes satisfies me more than passable art. What I'm saying is, don't worry if the character designs are ugly or if the anatomy is way off.
For all this work, you should definitely charge 25 bucks. Especially if you promise future updates. Be sure to take your time with those as you are delivering quality product.
I'm also an almost-okay artist as well so with a little more practice I could probably do the art.
As for fetishes I was worried because I'm into stuff like slobs and really hairy girls but only when gender bender is involved in some capacity. I know a lot of people would probably not want to see that kind of stuff.
When it comes to payments I really just see this as something to do to kill time. I don't really have any intention of selling it.
Feel free to contact me on my main TG works page
I've already heard back from a few people. I threw around some random ideas in a recent blog post too if an original VN winds up ultimately being a better idea. My fetish is more to the cute transformation side but I'm flexible.
This anon is right. Here's a statement of the creator of PS on fan content:
>It's not as though I won't have paths done by others, but, they'll be rare, and probably specifically labeled as fan-paths so character inconsistencies don't matter as much.
>On the subject of taking P-S and modding it yourself. I think someone asked this before, and I forget what my answer was, but I'll assume it'll be similar to this. While I have no qualms with someone making a little one-shot mod of P-S that adds some fan-path they had in mind and what have you. I would probably take offense if 1) They took credit for more than what they altered and 2) They continually added onto it and essentially just took P-S and began to alter it to their liking. This would be glaringly evident if they made their own thread -- but, that's against the forum rules.
I think an original collaborative VN is a better idea. We'd have more to work with if we made it from scratch. Lots more variety in content if we have a bunch of writers too.
I will try to contact you when I get home.
I agree with >>6140584
It'd propably be better idea to start our own and hope that we at least manage to get some quality content for it before the project either goes to shit or is forgotten about.
The creator of PS used sprites from bishop VNs so it'd be possible to work with those without the help of drawfags if there were none that are willing to participate.
I do also recall months ago that people here on /d/ did make a branch route involving tg but the creator got pissed and nothing really came of that branch.
So yeah it's probably best to create a new game. The minimum goal should be have the game be better than that one tg VN that got put on Steam that had a kickstarter.
Yep. In the test VN I was making to try and learn renpy I just used Marine cg. Like I said though I'm willing to try and draw some character art as well. Not sure if I could actually do event cg though.
Although her stuff is decidedly PG-13 at most, a friend who loves TG concepts is really good at character poses for VNs. She typically works on commission though but Patreon or something might make it worthwhile. The fandom deserves more all-original VN games.
She has a series about a strange beach area which transforms all who visit it called "The Other Side of Paradise"
While I love the idea of OC drawings, we might be better off re-purposing an image gallery from a preexisting VN, especially if the content is only going to be work-safe. This is a porn imageboard, so let's make some porn
While I'm flattered that you're interested in choosing my writing to convert your money into dick strokes, I'll have to decline. I do however do open requests, meaning that if it's something I like I'll probably do it, and if it's something I don't like I won't. I also won't do any crazy stuff like scat or pissing or vore (and no TF). Send me a note at DA telling me what you want and we can discus it there
Sapphire Foxx...pah! They may be one of the few who provide content for gender bend and the like, but his stuff doesn't even come close to deserving a price tag. Somebody should just find a way past his site's membership bullshit and post in online for everybody.
>mwf I subscribed for a month out of desperation and realized that his stuff has gotten even worse
There's next to no effort put into his animations or stories anymore, not to mention that they're mostly about crossdressing. Don't follow my example. If you're thirsty for new content, keep digging on FictionMania or DeviantArt, find something that can last you a week, then move on. Don't burn through all your resources; otherwise, you might end up giving $5 to some hack with Flash who just learned about tweening
Who the heck is looking for TG content without a DA account? That's like not having a Pixiv.
Speaking of which, here's the sauce for this sequence. Haven't seen it posted here before.
Does anyone have a copy of a fan art of the old story Sheena done by an artist named Aisaku years ago (it had highly detailed genital transformation)? One of their websites was Fruitopia TGS or something but it shut down years ago. They also did the Discordia comic. I tried to get a copy from the artist before their sudden death but they lost the original. Wondering if anyone out there happened to save it. I wish I'd saved more of their hardcore TG works. They kinda disowned them.
So, I'll set up a Drive document sometime soon if you guys actually wanna give this VN thing a shot.
I'll put more time into learning Ren'Py and I can handle actually getting things programmed. We'll just need to come to a consensus on how we'll handle art, music, and writing.
Is it clogged with SJWs though? Not to play /pol/, but its kind of hard to be productive when everyone kisses your ass and tells you its all good when its obvious a person is being a lazy and/or immature bastard.
You should get a conglomerated idea of what story lines everyone enjoyed and continue those. Maybe through a strawpoll? Do the ones most voted on first maybe? Or just do w/e people submit to you, it's up to you man lol
>When it comes to payments I really just see this as something to do to kill time. I don't really have any intention of selling it.
You shouldn't take him seriously. He's just making fun of an existing (very shitty) Renpy TG Game.
Ive gone through most of the routes, but which one is this? Its been awhile since ive gone through, but i dont remember there being too much about april other than mika being a bitch
I have no real idea as to why, but I would assume it's probably something to do with the fact that it's something that is an easy form of working out, that can be done alone, allowing for the tg'd character to hold some semblance of their former life.
But then again, I'm sitting here without pants on eating a cheeseburger, so don't really know what credibility I have on that.
He never said you couldn't make your own VN with whatever art you want.
I agree with his outlook on this. I want quality, not quantity.
Also, I find it very strange that someone got it into their head that the author is gone and never updates and similar melodrama when things are actually exactly the same to the way they always were.
Anon... Fucking please.
You don't need to make a PS mod. There is nothing for you to gain in making a PS mod. You don't need the baggage the game has saddled itself with. You don't need the same characters and you especially don't need the retarded backstory about the device and Candice changing the world. The author of PS might have reasons for that backstory, but you neither know those reasons well enough to use them, and they could be bad reasons in the first place.
Just make your own world that doesn't have an involved backstory like that. There is literally a million better possibilities. Magic crystals fell from the sky after an alien freighter was blown up and anyone who finds them can use them to do the same kinds of things as with Ilya in PS. Or maybe magic is returning to the world or fairies are dicking around or a mad scientist made a giant antenna that shoots out people-chaning rays or whatever the fuck.
Don't make a PS mod. You have no reason for it. Bot PS and your own work will be much better for it.
I remember that collage of images being much larger when I made it...
btw does anyone have the "epic" translation of Doll? After posting it I seem to have deleted the PSD file at some point.
Seriously, the guy has six month long gaps between updates, but has been updating for /years/ at this point now with these gaps. It's not like this is some new thing.
I mean, I'm all for fan paths. It's not like anyone's actually going to put in the work that it will be much more than that, and if they do then they can just spin off their own game at that point and we can all praise them or whatever.
Holy shit, are you THAT desperate?
Because if so, just purchase a one-month subscription for $5 and download all of them. Fuck, man.
Problem is it's the most developed concept out there. We could make our own VN, but just to get to the point where Sleigh is now would take tons of effort. It took me almost three full days just to complete the proof-of-concept TG route, and that was without any branching choices or the like.
As much as we'd like to make our own shit, doing so is hard.
Check g.e-hentai. That's where most of infinity sign's work goes eventually.
Fuck, my video game stats fetish is diamonds right now. She just needs to get knocked up status effect and it would be perfect.
does anyone have a link to that webcomic that was on sad panda not too long ago? it was about a witch that can only use magic when she orgasms or some shit, and she turned a dude into some green imp, and it just started what appeared to be a body swap arc but was removed.
Recently lost my collection, if anyone has the series of 4 caps where it's some sort of experiment where the subject gets slowly turned into a futa or something like that? it's 2D if that helps. Was posted in one of these threads like a month ago, or maybe it was on 7chan.
You remember correctly, there isn't much with April. The screenshot is from one of the shorter, unfinished routes. It's a shame, because that route has tons of potential. Route goes likes this:
Wait > Hide > Not use as guinea pigs > Show Her > Love to > Lie > Lash out
Flowchart for reference
Other half of the flowchart, for the sake of completeness.
Also, in case anybody hasn't tried Press Switch yet, here is a better download link than the one you find at TF Games Site:
>All the transformation amounts is to one picture of a guy with an arrow pointing to a girl and two pictures of a guy in smoke, then a girl in the same smoke
>Occasionally he turns back into a guy for like one page
This is painful
Hey, do you guys known any more doujins or stories in the same vein as this? http://g.e-hentai.org/g/805313/1e9e00b490/
The transformation sequence isn't all that great, which is usually my favorite part, but I really like the romance.
after years of lurking tfgs, my rule of thumb if that a game hasn't gotten an update in more than a couple weeks, it's never getting another
there are some notable exceptions but they are few and far between
>tfw i've read like 95% of everything in FM's magical transformation tag
at this point i'm reduced to trawling through TFgamessite and fictionbranches for new content until someone uploads a story worth reading on FM
shit sucks man
A while back he claimed he intended to have 1.0 "by the end of the decade".
So whether he's still with it or not, he intended for it to be the long haul.
Time to throw my hat in the ring. Be gentle
Probably not this decade though, considering how many unfinished branches there are in the flowchart.
Also, that cap reminds me of best girl's route. Dammit, I really need an update. Not knowing what's going to happen is killing me.
I'm just mad there wasn't a route where you could turn the tables on her and actually enjoy life as a sexy MILF while coming up with some bullshit reason to tell your friends why you 'can't' change back.
Maybe this is the point where you need to start creating content instead of consuming?
>but I suck at writing/drawing
You gotta start somewhere and it's not like we have any standards.
With the sister clone route where you hang out with the girl she hates so she makes you hate the girl too, pls have it go in the direction where she becomes more okay with using the remote to change you whenever you say something she doesn't like until you're basically a perfect clone of her.
This all culminates in her saying that some boy is really attractive and asking your opinion. When you say you're still into girls she changes that.
My penis needs this.
If you mean the picture I posted, then yes. It's taken from a game called "Ura Kyoushi -Haitoku no In-etsu Jugyou-" by BISHOP.
If you mean "best girl's route", then yes again. It's from Press Switch, an English-language VN built with ressources taken from different BISHOP games (as can be seen here: >>6142350).
If you haven't tried Press Switch yet and like tg bodyswapping, then get it here >>6144515 and give it a try. Lots of different routes, most unfinished though. Maybe more people playing and liking it will increase the motivation of the author.
Posting second best girl while I'm at it.
The 4th and 5th happen randomly at the end of that route. Save just before the final decision and keep replaying until you get both.
The 3rd is the 'secret' ending, get into the remote fight and keep bodyswapping over and over again. After I think 10 swaps, you'll trigger the ending.
>after years of lurking tfgs, my rule of thumb if that a game hasn't gotten an update in more than a couple weeks, it's never getting another
>there are some notable exceptions but they are few and far between
>sure, yeah, but i really wouldn't hold my breath for the author to maintain year-long interest enough to give an update, multiple years in a row
Except for the fact that he's been doing exactly that. Seriously, six month breaks between updates, three years in a row. Why arbitrarily stop now?
Here's the new and improved version
I think it's great that someone was willing to put all that work into making that chart for us, but I can't quite see where it's an improvement over >>6144514 and >>6144515. The routes are distributed differently between the two images, but that seems to be it? Am I missing something?
Something I found on deviantart, link is there gallery.
There seems like there is more to the enTRANS! story and I am intrigued.
Well, thanks. I appreciate that. Have something a little older.
Yeah, so do I. There are virtually none of them out there so I decided I'd make them. Pic related is my favorite concept: Impolite delinquent guy in the body of a smart, shy and nerdy girl.
I personally prefer the skinny and shy nerdy guy -> curvy and confident mature woman cliche.
Also making VN's in twine is really fucking easy, it's great for planning larger projects.
I guess anything involving opposing archetypes is what gets me.
Race change, age change, etc. are all pretty great.
Particularly a fan of father/daughter or mother/son body swaps, especially the former.
I'll look into Twine. From what I've seen it looks handy.
I've only got like one other picture that isn't very good. It's all over on my Pixiv page here(you have to set up an account I think): http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=3907860
I'm currently working on a comic request, but it's the first comic I've ever done so it's taking a while. I probably won't have anything new uploaded until then.
Thanks, and looking forward to whatever you produce in the future.
Here, some MILF swap before the thread hits the limit.