/swco/ - Star Wars Comics & Cartoons

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>Mfw when I had an OP ready that said /swcock/

>>52156
Good april fools joke

>>52012
What's some stupid shit people stay about Star Wars? I'll start
>Luke is a war criminal for blowing up the Death Star

>>52573
>podracing is enjoyable

>>52573
>Tarkin was a failure because he blew up with the death star

Doesn't retroactively ruin what got him there

>>52573
>I like Star Wars

>>52012
Sheevus Christ, I know there's a war on and all but who just stacks a bunch of clone rations like that and dump some fruit on it, then call it a fucking day? That's just sad.

>>52573
That shit drives me insane.

Claiming Alderaan was a military base for the Rebellion is pretty bad also but no where as the one you listed.

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>>52573
>Anakin brought balance to the force by killing all the Jedi
>Now there are 2 Jedi and 2 Sith
>Balance
>Disregard the ending to ROTJ

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>>52573
that dexter was bad

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>Norra: "ERRRRGGGHHH IM SO FUCKING ANGRY WITH SLOANE AAAHHHHHHHHHH LETS GO TO JAKKU SO I CAN STRANGLE HER WITH MY BARE HANDS!!!!"
>Jax: "Dude what the fuck you do realize that an Imperial fleet is on Jakku right? They probably have it blockaded and everything. Hell they have our ship on record and will likely shoot on site and there's no way we'll make it into the correct Star Destroyer let alone make it to the bridge and kill her."
>Norra "NO FUCK YOU IM GOING TO JAKKU NOW!!!"
>flies to Jakku
>Norra "OH FUCKFUCKSHITFUCKFUCK THEY'RE ABOUT TO KILL US!!! FUCKING ESCAPE POD AHHHHHH!"
>goes out an escape pod to this random fucking planet where an entire Imperial fleet awaits her and could easily have a TIE shoot down before the pod ever reaches the surface
Ok this is it. Wendig has gone too far this time. What the fuck.

>>53447
I stopped reading right there senpai. Haven't picked it up since.

>>53389
Fuck I forgot about that. That may be the thing I hate the most that fans say along with my other post >>52765

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>>53511
Oh my fucking god I just realized that it gets worse. She says that she has to get to Sloane before she disappears implying that she fucking knows that Sloane goes on to disappear into the Unknown Regions and create the First Order. That event that hasn't happened yet that Sloane isn't even fucking planning. Wendig is so shitty he made a character know about a completely unplanned event which hasn't even happened yet because he's too stupid to realize that it makes 0 sense for characters in universe to know that this event is about to happen.

>>53908
Why was Wendig allowed to write about some of the most important events for the Post ROTJ era again?

>>52573
>After suffering through three horrendous prequels, The Force Awakens has brought Star Wars back, baby!

>>53908
I don't want to defend cuck wendigo but to be fair Thrawn made the exact same type of asspull in Heir to the Empire

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Is The Freemaker Adventures any good? I disregarded it, because it is a Lego cartoon series, but now I hear, it actually has quite a good story.

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>>54045

>>54209
It's pretty good. It lulls a bit when it tries to get dramatic, but otherwise it's solid.

>>54097
Doesnt Thrawn come up with that for completely the wrong reasons? As a way to show he isnt perfect, and because his reasoning was wrong he doesnt actually catch his target?

Or are you talking about a different incident from the one im thinking of? Thrawn does a few that are approaching that and its hard to figure out if he made a "ya logically that would be what the next move is" and a "okay how exactly did you figure that out?"

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>>54209
if you care at all for a star wars story try SWTOR don't believe the memes.

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>>54209
It's enjoyable. Some parts I demand become canon.

Come on, Pablo, you bearded asshole! I'll make your coffee for you! I'll make it feel good!

Rate each movie's ending from best to worst.

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>>54553
no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DVtPq5z3XY

>>54612
The absolute madman!

>>54378
>That opening for when you land on Manaan
>Still no Manaan SH
No, believe the memes

>>54343
No you're thinking of the second book. In the first book he magically knows which of the main characters is on which ship after pulling the old switcheroo despite evidence to the contrary, believing that the evidence is a ruse to fool him (which it is, but there's no way he could no that). He also correctly deduces their destinations again despite evidence to the contrary. Thrawn knows that Han and Leia and so on know that he's listening and then does the exact opposite of what they say and do. It's pure bullshit.

Post dumb deleted scenes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbhZojeyM_g

>>54765
>>54378
literal unironic gay marriage planet

>>54883
>Not Makeb
>Which is fucking christened "The Gay planet"

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>>54860
holy fuck

>>54883
>>54940
what is this meme?

>>54801
Oh I know which scene you are talking about. Ya the book says why he believes that and I see the logic but I simply didnt buy it either. Overall I cut that scene slack because I like the character and the overall writing and I see the logic, but ya kind of bullshit.

>>54553
>RotJ (Special Edition)
>ANH
>RotS
>TPM (Would be lower but Secret Sheev music bumps it up a few ranks)
>ESB
>AotC
>RotJ (Original)
>TFA

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>>54860
You know, when I heard RotS had disguised clones in a deleted scene, I thought they would have had their faces obscured and silent until Obi-Wan got up close, where they would have tried to blast him point-blank.

But this...

>>55006
It is some meme that the expansion that introduced said planet also introduced the first bi character (that the player could flirt with successfully) and a character who was gay who isnt even from that planet and was simply on it.

Because it was the first Gay man in TOR and he was met on the planet Makeb, everyone called it "the Gay Planet" because people are idiots who just want to complain about things.

>>55175
No, the reason it was called "the gay planet" is because it's the first planet in the game that introduced yuri and gays
It's a joke.

>>55049
How the fuck can you say the Special Edition of RotJ is the best and the original version of RotJ is the second worse. If anything those two should be flipped.

The idea that EP 3 Hayden Christensen should appear as the force ghost makes literally 0 fucking sense no matter how you look at it.

That was not how he looked when he died, not how Luke remembered him, and not how he looked when he was the most pure and dedicated to the light side. No matter how you look at it it is idiotic.

>>55396
It was more for the celebration around the galaxy and the much better music but okay.

>>55396
>That was not how he looked when he died
Oh I forgot that he was a perfectly healthy old man with all his limbs intact when he died. Silly me. Thank god this mystical force that can turn people into magical ghosts uses this logic because otherwise these magical ethereal blue beings that only certain people can see wouldn't make any sense.

>>55495
Okay I completely forgot about the celebration scenes for a second. That would shoot it back up for me a bit because those are good scenes.

But I would still put the original above it

>>54860
https://youtu.be/jQEiNJnkQAw?t=4m3s

>>55671
Im not saying he had to be perfectly health looking but it sure as hell makes more sense then Hayden randomly being in the scene.

Why the force ghost showed up looking the way they did could be any number of reasons, and I tried to list the possible reasons (not say what the reason was)

The problem is none of the reasons are even remotely logical for ep3 Hayden. 2 of them are at least plausible for the original look, though slightly off because, like you said, he is healthy. But that is more believable then suddenly being ep. 3 Hayden.

>>52573
When people think unexplained things are plotholes

>>56046
Even worse when they think plothole means "thing I didn't like"

>>55936
If they wanted to bring back Episode 3 Hayden they should have just gone with it 100%. Black RotS robes and everything. That would have been better than the weird halfass job of superimposing his face over Obi-Wan's old robes.

That Vader cares about his soldiers.

>>56239
Carry over from Legends. But he does get along with foot soldiers. Better than officers

>>56239
Vader only cared about Tarkin and the emperor. Everyone else was replaceable

and then Luke later

>>56416
Except he didnt care about them in Legends either. They were always tools for him to use.

This post got it right
>>56419

Vader is a man of hate now, he wouldnt suddenly have compassion for conscripts. If he did he wouldnt have had thousands of soldiers dying in the asteroid field trying to get the Falcon and when his officers talk to him about the casualties he says he doesnt care AS a ISD literally explodes.

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>>56574
Thanks sempai

But really, Vader is a creature that has fully given himself over to the dark side. It wouldn't make sense for someone who literally cuts through helpless footsoldiers screaming for help, to care about his own. He would see it as a weakness. He respects Tarkin because he is brutally efficient, and Tarkin respects him, and I assume they don't talk about him knowing his identity. They are a symbiotic pair. Tarkin is the brains, and Vader is the space samurai with magic powers and a lazar sword.

>>52012
Is there any tasty looking food in Star Wars at all?

>>56739
>and I assume they don't talk about him knowing his identity
While they probably don't discuss it much, Tarkin knows his identity, since they discuss it openly in ANH.

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>>56416

>>56739
I always liked the Tarkin and Vader combo. It is why I enjoyed the book "Tarkin" so much.

Frankly I just like Tarkin

>>56825
That's what I mean. I doubt they ever really talk about who he was before, because Vader has divorced himself from that. There's no heartfelt speeches or declarations or shit, they just get shit done. He thinks on him being Anakin in the Tarkin novel, but it's not something he would discuss with him, because he doesn't pity him.

I like to imagine vader was a bit sad when he lost Tarkin, but that's just me

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>>56892
He's my favourite character in the series.

>>56897
He probably missed Tarkin after Ozzel and Needa's fuckups.

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>>56892
Best taste anon

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>>56846
I remember the butthurt over this, but really it's better this way. Vader should not have any redeeming qualities, no love, no kindness, no real friendship (however close he gets to Tarkin).

>>57117
TOO CLOSE

http://archiveofourown.org/works/8856892

>>57117
Another thing I love about these two. There is no redeeming them. There is no saying 'oh but they had a shitty childhood!! it's okay!!' they just straight up use people. I fucking love it.

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>>57175
>poor Motti worries too much

Why does this tag trigger me so?

>>57117
Reminds me of the opening level of The Force Unleashed.

More Old Republic canon content when?

>>54378
I have 7/8 chaarcter stories completed. It's very good for a MMORPG, but pretty meh for Star Wars.

>>57227
>There is no redeeming them
Well...

It's interesting that Tarkin is probably the closest Vader has to a friend, he certainly respects the man, at least for what he can offer in terms of power to the Empire, but he doesn't lose any sleep over Tarkin's death. Still there IS respect, enough to backtalk to Tagge.

>>57117
I will never understand what the fuck the artist was thinking when drawing the effects of that sniper rifle Chewie owned.

>>57611
I mean, fangirls can't explain their actions.

I think it's more of mutual respect, 2bh (to be honest) pham (family)

I FIGURED IT OUT
SNOKE IS ACTUALLY THE VONG

>>57826
No, it's Mace Windu.

>>55825

So I'm not entirely sure if those Wampa scenes were seriously being considered to be added to the film, or just filmed as jokes. The first one that interrupts the Han/Leia argument screams "this is just a joke we're not actually going to use this shot" to me, since it breaks up a scene for no reason. The rest don't have any place they could be logically added without dragging out the movie, but they don't interrupt anything mid-scene so theoretically they could have been seriously considered.

>>54860
...so that's where Lego got the idea

>>57894
Im kind of disappointed that they cut the scene with Leia and Luke in the recovery room. Though it is probably a good thing considering that extra Leia/Luke kiss buildup.

>>57117

No.

If there's not so much as a hint that Vader has redeeming qualities then the entire idea that he can be redeemed makes no sense. There needs to be a space for him to come from and a route for him to come back. If he's 100% edge 100% of the time his heel turn at the end and half his dialogue in Jedi makes zero sense.

Vader needs some small sign that something is in there, or else there's nothing for Luke to draw out.

>>58484
That's the point, though. He spends all of his time trying to bury Anakin as far inside him as he can, and it's not until Luke comes along that Anakin starts to resurface. Just finding out that Luke exists reawakens a part of him he had been running from.

>>58484
Thematically it's important that Luke be the one to reawaken the good in him. Obi-Wan and Yoda insist there isn't any, that Vader is completely evil. Luke is the only person that can feel that there's a small spark of good still left, and he risks everything on the hope that he can use that tiny spark to redeem his father.

Having Vader show redeeming qualities before that kind of dulls the meaning of it. To everyone else he's a complete monster, and only his son believed there could be good left in him.

>>58484
No.

The fact is that Vader is a true Sith. Friendship, care, being best buds with the 501st is NOT compatible with being a Sith. If he ever showed any hints of that the Emperor would damn well have caught on, and it doesn't make any sense that he'd never have done anything about that.

Besides, the point of ROTJ is no one, even Obi-Wan and Yoda, felt there was any hope of Vader being redeemed. The audience is supposed to have doubts Vader can redeem until the very moment he decides to. You need to remember that Vader was hardly on the verge of redemption, not just aching for any excuse to return. It was a struggle. This is clear when he stands idly by while Luke is tortured to the edge of death by the Emperor. It isn't until the last moment that Anakin Skywalker finally wins and returns. Any hint cheapens that.

Luke had faith in his father, and faith does not require evidence.

>>56897

He was, I think. He defends Tarkin when Tagge shits on him in the Vader comic.

>>58753
That's the point of view the Story Group has on Vader. Not even Ahsoka could reach him, nobody can but Luke. Not even Aphra's booty had a chance.

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>>58965
>people shitting on Tarkin

Vader should have cut them all down

>>58609
>>58753

There IS no small spark to reawaken. That's the issue. Even when we see inside of Vaders mind, or in his most vulnerable moments, there is NOTHING THERE.

If it's just a movie trilogy, you can rationalize it with a couple of individual lines of dialogue that are at best slightly debatable. But once you build an expanded setting, and say that the stuff that isn't debatable is literally all Vader is one hundred percent of the time, with no regret even in a segment when we see him committing an atrocity from his perspective, there just isn't an argument.

What would that argument even be? Vader slaughters dozens of children, kills everyone who ever trusted him, blankets the galaxy in decades of darkness, personally goes on to kill hundreds of innocents, terrorizes subordinate who trust him. But then suddenly after about an hours discussion he's all good and gets to come back and a bright happy ghost with none of that shit sticking on his conscience?

>>58942

If Vader is true sith, then he can't be redeemed. That's the entire point of Yoda and Obi-Wan's speech. The spark is either demonstrably there, or it isn't.

>>59051

>You have graphs AND A REALLY STUPID HAIRCUT

>>59051
>implying solid numbers is worse then illusive ideas

what a shitlord

>>58965
That depends, I suppose. I considered Vader defending Tagge however it is just as possible he was taking a swipe against the Grand General, chaffing under his leadership. Tagge did replace him, after all, and there is clearly no respect from Tagge. No Sithlord would be comfortable with that. Hell, the only thing that spared Tagge's neck was the Emperor. The moment that protection was removed Vader accepted Tagge's apology.

>>58965

Vader talks shit, that's it. Vader talks shit about everyone he meets who isn't Sheev. I don't buy the idea that he had any trust in Tarkin. Shit, I barely buy the idea that Sheev trusted Tarkin as much as he did.

>>59147
Go read Tarkin

>>59074
>If Vader is true sith, then he can't be redeemed. That's the entire point of Yoda and Obi-Wan's speech. The spark is either demonstrably there, or it isn't.
Vader wasn't redeemed. Anakin Skywalker returned. There IS a difference. We know that even to the Force Vader is entirely different from Anakin. And even if that wasn't true how do you know a TRUE Sith cannot be redeemed? The way you'd have it diminishes Luke's victory in saving his father's soul.

>>59074
>he did a bunch of bad shit therefore he shouldn't be redeemed
I think you miss the point of his redemption in this context.

>>59074
>kills everyone who ever trusted him, blankets the galaxy in decades of darkness, personally goes on to kill hundreds of innocents, terrorizes subordinate who trust him

I kinda always wrote it off as being Palpatine's little bitch. All of the worst evil Vader ever did seems to lead to the Emperor one way or another.

>>59074
>But then suddenly after about an hours discussion
You realize he knew about Luke for more than an hour, right?

>>59238

I did, that's why I don't buy it. Sheev has a long ass internal monologue about how cool Tarkin is because he has a backstory where he killed a few monkeys and his planet lines up on the map in some weird way. The idea that Sheev put some kind of special trust in Tarkin and wanted to make him a member of a Triumviate, and put him on the level of himself and Vader despite Tarkin having no use of the force or any knowledge of Sideous's true identity in the way Amedda or others did, is kind of ridiculous.

It's possible to read something and not find it plausible.

>>59147

I think you're taking it too far now. Sheev clearly liked Tarkin enough to invest time and effort into him. I do assume he trusted him, as far as a Sheev can trust anyone.

>>59074
>There IS no small spark to reawaken. That's the issue.
But there is. The point is that it exists, but everyone- even Vader himself- didn't see it. Finding out that his son, a remaining connection to the wife he threw everything away for, is alive reawakens that. That's why Luke senses a conflict within him. It's not because Vader wasn't such a bad guy after all but because he's started feeling conflicting emotions that even he doesn't want to admit to.

>>59303

Yes, and his behavior DOESN'T CHANGE. That's the issue. If there's something deep inside him to draw out it had every opportunity to present itself before Endor, but didn't.

>>59255

Bull fucking shit Anakin Skywalker returned. Was killing the Sand People also Vader? What about Dooku? OR Mace? Did he just suddenly swap over when Sheev made up the name Vader on the spot? Why did he care about Padme still?

There's a difference between waving your hands and declaring it the force, and it being a plausible character motivation.

>>59344
>Sheev has a long ass internal monologue about how cool Tarkin is because he has a backstory where he killed a few monkeys and his planet lines up on the map in some weird way
I think you're conflating two separate things here. That or you didn't read the book and are just going off a half-remembered summary of it.

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>>59147
You underestimate the power of a fully operational Tarkin.

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>>59344
It's more that he trusted Tarkins ability to lead, and plan. He needed a face, someone people respected to lead his army. He sure as shit couldn't do it, and Vader was his semi-secret problem solver. So Tarkin was his best bet. he was known throughout the galaxy, and he was good at planning and scheming. He was the second best keikaku master (behind sheev, of course) and so he tested him. The carrion spike proved he can think on his feet. He was bred for the position that he took in the empire.

but that's how I interpreted it. You can totally have a different opinion. That's how those work.

>>59431
>Was killing the Sand People also Vader?
Nope, that was Anakin, Anakin was an asshole.

You can blame Lucas for doing a terrible job at writing Anakin

>>59460

You're the one misremembering. Sheev explicitly says Triumviate and explicitly brings up Eriadu's position on the map relative to Naboo and Tatooine. The way Sheev brings it up he was basically going to make Tarkin emperor.

>>59431
>If there's something deep inside him to draw out it had every opportunity to present itself before Endor, but didn't.
You're still missing the point. He wasn't suddenly going to become a swell guy just because that small part of him woke up. Even to the very end, he's reluctant to go back on that. He watches his son get tortured for a few minutes before he finally decides that he loves him too much to let this happen and sacrifices himself to save him. That's the payoff of that emotional conflict. It was there since at least his meeting with him on Bespin but he couldn't bring himself to turn back on the person he'd become until that moment.

The problem is that you're trying to turn it into a very simple good/evil issue as if some switch inside him was turned on and he should've been a good guy when it did, but that isn't how it works.

>>59264
I think where that anon is tripping up is the notion of an idealized Sith. Ideally yes Sith are remorseless killing machines, yet just as Jedi can never be 100% pure and incorruptible (even Yoda learned he has a Dark Side he has to resist), Sith can have the barest flickering of something better. Even Darth Maul ultimately loved his brother and, ironically, as he lay dying expressed the shared wish between himself and Kenobi to see the Emperor defeated. And yet he was a true Sith. The Sith cannot kill their, for lack of a better word, humanity, rather it is their constant act of resisting it for their own selfish or petty desires, their anger and hate, that makes them monsters. Maul could never conceive of actually honestly joining forces with the Rebels or Kenobi. He couldn't escape his own demons.

Vader DOES have these merest flickers of who he was but you only see it in works like Lords of the Sith when we get the internal workings of Vader's twisted mind. You will never see it in any of his overt actions because he is constantly putting them down. Anakin is in their, somewhere, buried deep but sometimes flashes of him gets out. When the Emperor sensed as much he set out an admittedly complex test that, yes, also proved beneficial in destroying the Cham's hopes, at least for the moment.

Seriously if Vader ever showed anything outright regarding a better nature that would be seen as weakness by Sheev and would invite correction, probably painful correction.

>>59518
Sheev never has a long internal monologue- you're thinking of one of Tarkin's anecdotes. He also only brings up the planets in passing- just remarks that its funny that the three of them all come from outer rim worlds.

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>>59495
>implying Sandpeople don't deserved to be slaughtered

>>59495

So what, Luke awoken the spark from the guy who killed a bunch of people?

I don't think it's impossible that Vader can be turned. There was conflict in ANAKIN. But the moment you declare Vader and Anakin were essentially two separate people, and that there was literally nothing demonstrably redeemable about Vader, but that his behavior changes when it doesn't after he finds out about Luke, that's where the problem begins.

The only way the story can make sense, as written, is to essentially take everything Vader did into account and say he's still Anakin. Vader isn't some separate entity unrelated to Anakin, he's Anakin with a different name.

The idea that they're separate beings is more or less a ploy to excuse Anakin's actions. In universe nobody except Luke even buys the idea.

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>be Vader
>have a chill day, no Rebels to exterminate, no Jedi to hunt
>take a stroll around Executor
>see this
>what do?

>>59721
I think you're taking the "separate people" thing way too literally.

>>59431
>Bull fucking shit Anakin Skywalker returned.
You really don't get it, do you. Amazing.

You know that Certain Point of View Obi-Wan had regarding Vader killing Anakin Skywalker? Well it's true, all of it. Vader is not the same person as Anakin. What you see with him killing the sand people is, to Lucas, the SHADOW of Vader, the potential to be the monster he is destined to become.

Ahsoka Tano, who knew Anakin perhaps better than anyone save Obi-Wan, and perhaps a little greater still since she recognized the truth of his marriage before Obi-Wan did, couldn't sense anything but a tiny flicker of Anakin within Vader and wasn't even certain until she damaged his mask.

So yeah, in canon the Force considers Vader a different person. He's a layer of darkness, hate, and anger, a machine not just because of his cybernetics but because that is what Vader has reduced himself to mentally, emotionally. It isn't until ROTJ that Anakin in turn defeated Vader and returned and, yes, redeemed.

Don't like it? Tough titties, that's canon baby.

>>59594

Yes, but that's the difference between Vader and Maul. Maul actually had a demonstrable indication that he had a setting beyond "spooky grim cyborg man". He demonstrated care for his brother even as he tried to force him into a hierarchy. But he tried to lead an army without just killing them any time he got annoyed, so it was more believable that when he expressed even the barest of bare minimum of care for someone, it didn't ring hollow.

>>59749
What, he's directing a space porno starring JJ "Roll in the Hay"brams?

>>59767

Read the post directly below yours.

>>59821

I don't give a flying fuck about what the force considers Vader or Anakin. This is about the actual character as written.

>Don't like it? Tough titties, that's canon baby.

That doesn't make it good and it doesn't end the argument.

>>59832
But you forget that Vader still cared about Padme even as he was slaughtering Jedi. He didn't suddenly stop caring about her because he was a Sith. He did become paranoid and too quick to use his anger, but even that was something he regretted. The entire reason he has his infamous NOOOOO moment is because he realizes he caused her death.

>>59646

No, it was 100% a Sheev thing. I may be exagerrating it's length but I double checked when I was reading it. But there's no real ambiguity since Lucino writes Sheev different from Tarkin.

But I don't really like the idea that Sheev would even care if Tarkin and Vader got along to begin with.

"It really has to do with learning," Lucas says, "Children teach you compassion. They teach you to love unconditionally. Anakin can't be redeemed for all the pain and suffering he's caused. He doesn't right the wrongs, but he stops the horror. The end of the Saga is simply Anakin saying, I care about this person, regardless of what it means to me. I will throw away everything that I have, everything that I've grown to love- primarily the Emperor- and throw away my life, to save this person. And I'm doing it because he has faith in me; he loves me despite all the horrible things I've done. I broke his mother's heart, but he still cares about me, and I can't let that die. Anakin is very different in the end. The thing of it is: The prophecy was right. Anakin was the chosen one, and he does bring balance to the Force. He takes the one ounce of good still left in him and destroys the Emperor out of compassion for his son."

--George Lucas, The Making Of Revenge Of The Sith; page 221

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>someone so autistic that they don't get how Luke redeemed Vader
I didn't think anyone like this existed

>>59946
Page number right now, my guy. I'll take a pic of this and end it

>>59832
The irony of Maul is that he was given every change to find a better path. He had a brother, a mother; nightsisters and nightbrothers. Even as an old man he was given one more chance whether he saw it or not and he decided that chance was to stab everyone in the back and run off with an ancient doomsday machine.

I don't think you can say Maul deserved these chances, but it was like the galaxy or the Force was testing him. In the end even when fighting with the Sith he stayed true to them, more true than I think even he possibly imagined in duplicating the Sith betrayal antics that nearly doomed them over a thousand years ago prior to the Rule of Two.

Meanwhile Vader, who absolutely deserves no chance of redemption, with Luke repeatedly being told that it isn't possible, finds a way back. If Maul had a Force Ghost he'd have killed himself laughing.

>>59958
look up "death of the autor"

>>60015
Irrelevant

>>60015
Most people who try to use "death of the author" in Star Wars discussions don't actually know how that concept works.

>>59877
>I don't give a flying fuck about what the force considers Vader or Anakin. This is about the actual character as written.
And yet this is the way the character was actually written. Again, don't like it? Tough shit.

And does that end the argument? Sure, because what you don't understand is you don't actually have an argument. An argument implies you have a chance of being right, but the powers that be say otherwise. What you have instead is an opinion. Enjoy it, you're entitled to it, but it's not the one that matters.

Want to change that? Then work hard with the dream that one day you can buy Star Wars from Disney and install whatever you think is the real canon. Good luck!

>>60065
Most people who use it in ANY discussion don't know how it works. They also think it's a rule rather than an idea.

>>59946
You forget that what happened with Ahsoka really put a strain on their relationship. There was a time when they probably didn't exactly get along. but tarkin understands that they work for the same goal, so they kept on. It's why he hates Krennic. Krennic tried to backstab his way to the top, and no empire can flourish if you have to keep looking behind you for knives. So they got the fuck over it. they have a symbiotic relationship because they work for the same person. They respect eachother, and in turn, they are successful. I think that dynamic is interesting. You think Sheev would want two of the most powerful players in his empire constantly at eachothers throats? Nothing would get done.

>>59915

That's the point though. Vader isn't separate from Anakin. Vader IS Anakin. He doesn't say "Anakin was your father" he says "I am your father". If the EU want's to keep doing Vader, they need to actually justify that spark at some point.

Which is the problem. Pablo keeps asserting that there more or less is no way for it to even appear and that nothing except Luke could possibly make it show up. Meaning that it's not an element of Anakins character. It's a plot convenience that only shows up towards the end of the Saga and never in any other context.

The Vader in only the movies I can buy as is. It's the shit being written around them I object to.

>>60000

Which is why I actually like what they did with Maul. He had character. He was someone who clearly made his choices and had to own them.

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>>60015

>>60086

Sarcasm also doesn't end the argument.

>>60125

I'm probably misremembering this but I don't remember Tarkin and Anakin ever actually getting along. In his intro episode, which is the only appearance that sticks out in my memory, Tarkin already rubs Anakin the wrong way and by the end they at best are just kind of ok with each other. There was barely a relationship to strain.

If there's someone who's relationship you'd want to explore with Vader, Tarkin is probably the bottom of my list. He spent years serving with Yularen but those two have had no dialogue in anything.

>>60149
>The Vader in only the movies I can buy as is. It's the shit being written around them I object to.
I don't even understand your problem. There isn't anything incompatible with what's in the movies. Your argument was that Vader had to have some good qualities already, even though we never see that in the movie- in fact, the guy is blatantly sacrificing his men for the sake of a personal search in ESB. It seems like you subscribed to the idea that Vader is a nice guy to his troops and were upset that this turned out to not be the case.

>>60230
>I don't remember Tarkin and Anakin ever actually getting along. In his intro episode, which is the only appearance that sticks out in my memory, Tarkin already rubs Anakin the wrong way and by the end they at best are just kind of ok with each other.
They get off to a rocky start, but they also end up agreeing on a lot of things, mainly on how the war is going and a lack of confidence on how the Jedi are handling it.

>>60230
Respect is different than liking someone ffs. They have different ideas of how to get things done.

TCW is different than the films. In TCW he was an idealistic Jedi, and in the movies, he's very different. You can't compare them. But Tarkin does feel some amount of guilt for what he did to Ahsoka, but because it was the wrong way to go about it.

>>60065
>it holds that an author's intentions and biographical facts should hold no weight in regards to an interpretation of their writing. In other words, a writer's interpretation of his own work is no more or less valid than the interpretations of any given reader.

I'm not even a part f the whole Vader argument. I just really hate when people use "Lucas said so" as if it means something, when talking about SW. I believe, his vision should not play any part in how we perceive the saga, because when it became the cultural phenomena that it is, it stopped being his work and became ours.

>>60230
Your lack of standing ends your argument. You lost before you ever began.

You can still have your very own Certain Point of View™, but it will never matter a damn. Sorry.

>>60149
The Irony of Darth Maul the Sperg is perhaps that he wasn't quite making his own choices after all, or rather he had far less hope than anyone else of ever finding a better path. Most Sith we're aware of, which isn't many of course, were corrupted. Some were even corrupted Jedi (shock!).

Maul, as far as we know, was never anything but a Sith (there's some leeway because we don't know when exactly he was abducted by Sheev "Bad Touch" Palpatine, but they hint that Maul wasn't very old). He was raised as a Sith in his formative years. It's really all he knows, unlike Anakin or Dooku who have their memories of better times and better behavior. They chose to become Sith. Maul didn't. He was forced, and it was all he ever knew. When he was offered something better maybe he wasn't even sure how to take it.

I obviously cannot say for certain, only the Storygroup knows for sure and I don't think they've fully spelled it out, but it's one way to look at it.

>>60278
Well that's your belief and you're entitled to it but we don't all have to follow it.

>>60327
Exactly.

>>60278
>I just really hate when people use "Lucas said so" as if it means something
When we're talking about what's canon it does, because his words are still followed by canon. That's the key difference here and I don't know how you missed it- we're talking about what's real according to current canon, not what we think of it.

>>60235

The thing is that Vader is only really the outrageous YOU HAVE FAILED ME guy in ESB. In A New Hope he tortures Leia, and shoots down enemy pilots, but he doesn't do anything without a reason. In Jedi he mainly gives a veiled threat about the construction but that's it. It's only in Empire Strikes Back where he goes around killing his own men willy nilly.

The depiction of him everywhere else is based almost solely on his ESB portrayal. He kills his own men left and right and acts as edgy as possible in nearly every situation. Pablo keeps asserting that there isn't any other setting for Vader until Luke shows up. There isn't any real depth to the character. Which is fine when he's a secondary antagonist who doesn't talk much most of the OT, but if you're trying to make him a main character in his own series of stuff it doesn't really work.

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>>60318

I'm not saying Maul made his objective and rational choices. Maul was fucking crazy and he was never that great. Even if he wasn't found by Sheev he'd probably be a basketcase thanks to the dark side via Dathomir. But there's never really an excuse for him not being responsible for his actions. It's inevitable, in a sense, but in the same way a lot of things in life can be.

>>60413
He also spends all of ANH taking a backseat to Tarkin, and all of ROTJ taking a backseat to Sheev. ESB is the only movie where he's the lead villain and acting largely on his own, so it's also the only one where we can see what he's like when he doesn't have someone holding his leash.

>>60278
The guy IN the Vader debate seems to think it's trolling. The truth is these threads will never come to any consensus, any philosophical truth that can never be refuted, because we're just anons. Whether we agree or not won't ultimately matter. In the end the discussion will die, the thread will die, in fact more so than usual since I don't think /cock/ is being archived at all (certainly not by the sight itself).

That doesn't mean this is pointless. Share your opinion, say your peace, but if you wade into this like you're swinging the goddamn sword of definitive and unyielding truth then you'll probably ultimately fail, if at the very least because this is 4chan and contrarianism reigns supreme.

You CAN have your own point of view, and sure it can matter to you. Others may agree with you, and if they do that's super for you! And yes ultimately art is subjective. We can all have opinions on the story, as real as any professional critics. BUT Lucas' "word of god", which is being respected by the Lucasfilm Story Group, is the definitive IN UNIVERSE truth. That means the stories are written as if that is the way things work. That is the honest to god truth within the Star Wars galaxy. That is a very different power than what we as anons or just average citizens of the planet Earth have. Does it matter? Really it only does if you let it.

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State your opinions and respect others, as long as it's logical. It's that easy.

Unless you're Tarkin. He's a fucking asshole and everything he says is LIES

>>60386
Didnt you learn anything when they wiped away EU?
Canonicity doesnt mean anything, especially in large francises.
As far as SW is concerned, the events of the saga are set in stone. Their meaning and context can (and will) change over time.

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>>60504
Director Krennic is a great guy and a visionary genius, I think he deserves a major promotion for his work in bringing the Death Star to completion, he and he alone deserves credit because he is the greatest officer in the entire Empire.

>>60459

That's kind of the thing though. Vader's shit is extreme, but if that's all you see him doing there can be some rationale or other implication, based on other dialogue he has later in the film. You could say, for example, that he doesn't actually like the empire or anything it stands for and he jumps at the chance to do something to destroy it, which is why his offer to Luke is phrased the way it is. Or you could say he only punishes failure. Or a bunch of other stuff. I don't fully buy any of that in those specific arguments, but the idea that no, there is no rationale and Vader acts exactly like he's leading a major multi million man assault whenever he's dealing with anyone just walking in on him at the wrong moment or anything slightly annoys him is kind of ridiculous.

>>60278

The thing people forget is that the people who actually made the films admit they fucked up in places all the time or have to try to justify it after the fact. They aren't ironclad and their word shouldn't be treated as such. One of the most circulated quotes on Lucas in the PT is "I may have gone too far in a few places".

>>60526
Yeah, but notice that I said "curent canon." If it changes then yeah, this all gets thrown out, but again we're talking about current canon.

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>>60548
>>60504
Krennic get off this Coruscanti Imperial patriotism holo-forum

>>60561

Yeah, but you can't wave around Canon like it's a bulletproof shield. Aftermath is Canon but the only time it came up before this argument started was when someone pointed out that character motivations make no sense within the book and it's badly written.

Canon can suck. Sometimes the people in charge of it have bad ideas. The audience doesn't have to buy everything that's canon.

>>60591
>The audience doesn't have to buy everything that's canon.
They don't, but you keep missing the point. When we're talking about canon, as in current canon the way we know it, we still have to stick to certain facts.

>>60278
I started this Vader debate and stopped replying after the second post.

I actually agree with you. I still think paying attention to what Lucas says is important, especially when discussing it with others, but when I watch the movies myself I completely ignore what he says for what I think works better.

prime example, I personally like to believe that Luke was the chosen one, even though I know SW and Lucas says it is Anakin.

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>tfw browsing /co/ right now instead of /cock/

>>60458
Man, who knows what the hell he'd have been on Dathomir. Especially considering I don't think we know to this day if Talzin was a born Force Sensitive or "empowered" similar to how Savage was.

As for responsibility, I don't know. I personally would grant leeway if he was fucked up from birth. If someone has been raised by an evil cult all their life I'm not surprised if they don't turn out to be well adjusted people capable of making sound life decisions. Of course that still isn't the same as giving him a pass. Such a person would be dangerous and you'd lock them up or even have to use lethal force against them.

I think it is fair to say that Maul probably had less hope for redemption, or at least breaking even and running even in the way Ventress tried to do (and may have succeeded if Vos hadn't been a total fuckup!), than others.

As far as the story is concerned I think there is supposed to be a point of no return with the Dark Side. The Nightsisters were supposedly trained to used just so much of it without being drawn so deep they could never surface again. Thus they could rely on both Light and Dark. Ventress, as horrible as her own actions were, apparently never quite hit that point of no return. Frankly I'm amazed, because she was pretty unrepentantly evil, sometimes gleefully so as she frenched people she'd just stabbed.

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>>60646
I think the idea is based on Vader being the only known Dark Sider/full SIth to ever redeem. Vos may have gone Full Retard but never went Full Sith. Maul, at least as far as we saw, never quite hit an evil quotient higher than Ventress, certainly never as high as Vader, but apparently he was doomed. People tend to argue this from Yoda's line about once you go Dark Side you never can back slide. Still forever dominating your destiny, sure, in a way it has for Anakin, or at least his legacy. Even when he redeemed what he did as Vader is still worshiped by some people, feared by others, got his daughter kicked out of the Senate and apparently is one of the primary reasons Ben is an asshole.

>>60608

No, you're missing the point. I'm not saying that's not how it goes. I'm saying that the way it goes is shit.

And in all seriousness can you really argue that Marvel hasn't been kinda shit on average? Their idea of a creative original character usually means taking someone from the OT and painting them black. Their idea to introduce Boba Fett was to have him show up on Tattoine and shoot Luke's friend for essentially no reason. The idea that the shit they put on paper isn't excessively edgy is kind of ridiculous when you look at everything that's been written around Vader.

This entire thing started essentially when a couple of anons posted Marvel screengrabs and went DIS DA REEEEAL Vader.

>>60653
Thrawn gets turned into a cake by Bendu and eaten by the Rebels. This is canon now.

First Oola, then Boba, now Thrawn. Turns out Star Wars was really about vore fetish all along.

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>>60682
>shit
Shit is a point of view, Anakin.

Seriously, it's a subjective judgement. You can believe it all you want, that doesn't make it objectively true though.

>>60664

I think the best Maul could have done was to just fuck off to some random planet and not look back.

>>60646

Yeah, but that's an argument that could also apply to Vader. Sheev had his hooks in the guy from Phantom Menace after all. Which is another explanation I could buy. A Vader who essentially broke his conditioning when he killed Sheev.

Which is the thing though. The argument was never "Vaders character makes sense", it was "Anakin was a cool guy, but then he literally stopped being Anakin Skywalker".

>>60716

You can argue a subjective point. If you can point to something and say "this is why Marvel is great" and it's true, I'll concede the point.

>>60682
>This entire thing started essentially when a couple of anons posted Marvel screengrabs and went DIS DA REEEEAL Vader.

As the guy who started the original post >>56239 and dropped out almost immediately after >>56574

I want to jump back in and make it clear that the original post was the idea that Vader likes his men. For the longest time there were fans who acted like Vader really cared for stormtroopers and the second a soldier was promoted to an officer he would suddenly hate them.

THAT belief makes no sense for his character. Hence my original post. Im not saying he needs to be killing stormtroopers once per story, but the movies show he does not value their lives, the movies show he DOES respect some officers, and common sense should allow us to know he only respects or "values" those who have proven themselves.

Not backwards conscript TK426 from backwater shithole 43

>>60737
Nobody said you couldn't argue it, but you still can't prove it because it isn't a fact, it's a feeling.

>>60761

Except the problem is that both concepts exist in a contradictory manner even within just Canon. I think Lost Stars was the one that indicated that the Stormtroopers basically worship Vader, but everything we've seen with him and troopers has him treating them like shit and having no real affinity either way.

The idea that Vader has some kind of connection with the enlisted is canon, except when the time comes to demonstrait that connection.

As fun as the debate club has been, let's at least change the stale topic:

I'll admit I'm a bit impressed by Rebels season finale in that Thrawn ultimately failed...but it wasn't really his fault. Yet it was still a failure, and something his scheming could never have accounted for: the unexpected twist of fate in a capricious galaxy.

They actually made Thrawn fail in his task of destroying the greater rebellion but didn't make it his own failings that were responsible. And sure his career might take a hit, but he can always blame something else (Bendu, Pryce, Konstantine, those meddling Mandalorians) and at the least he did get results. And the kicker? Once you peel all this back you realize he has a SECOND layer of failure! Because this was never the greater rebellion after all, only two parts of it. Mon Mothma was correct to withhold help because it would have shown Thrawn his error and that the problem was bigger than he'd calculated. Instead the Rebellion would have survived regardless of what happened on Atollon. Though we can't be certain what change this would have had in a new timeline when Dodonna was captured or killed now and a future mission from Yavin to destroy the Death Star seems unlikely.

>>60787
>Except the problem is that both concepts exist in a contradictory manner even within just Canon.

Not even remotely. The Stormtroopers may worship him because of how capable he is. See the scene in Rogue One. He demolishes the Rebel Marines without even trying. Vader walking into that hallway and soloing those men so easily inspires men. Hence the worship. But that only goes 1 way. There is ZERO reason for Vader to care about TK426 from shithole 43. And if Private Rico proves himself again and again, goes to OCS, and becomes a LT. Why would Vader suddenly hate Lt. Rico?

Vader values 1 thing, results. It is why you never see Vader even acknowledge the presence of Stormtroopers, because they are nobodies, but Vader respects someone like Veers enough that Veers literally is allowed to walk into Vader's private room at anytime without knocking.

You cant say "Vader cares for his men" and at the same time have Vader literally ordering thousands of soldiers to their deaths in ESB and he literally says that it does not concern him.

Im not saying Marvel did a good job with him. Just that people need to stop acting like Vader ever liked his men. It was wrong in Legends and it is double wrong now.

>>60829

I would say that Thrawn didn't really fail. He proved his theory of an interconnected rebellion, and essentially destroyed two cells at once. He took heavier than expected losses and didn't get to kill or capture every individual rebel. The rebellion has lost like half the resources we saw them have, or at least bare minimum a third, and that's essentially all that was there.

Non 'murrican anon here.
Is Star Wars/Trek rivalry a real thing or is it just a meme?
Has it ever been real?

>>60834

Except them worshipping Vader for his skills is conjecture. We have no indication as to the hows or why's.

I don't think Vader cares about his men in any real way. I'm saying that their relationship at the moment has no real logical establishment to it.

>>60846
I'd argue he didn't destroy both cells. According to the behind the scenes for this episode Phoenix Squadron IS considered defunct with the death of Sato. Apparently Hera won't step up to rally them on. Instead it looks like they're likely to get absorbed into Dodonna's forces on Yavin.

That said, it's surprising that Thrawn has spies that can tell him precisely what vectors Dodonna's forces move in, yet the Empire remains unaware of Yavin for years to come.

>>60851
Not really. Though, I did go to a Star Trek/Wars symphony during comicon and it was fun as fuck

>>60860
People can idolize people who treat them like weirdos or freaks or people they won't socialize with. That's like one of the most common tropes in middle/high school stories and IRL

>>60860
I'd argue he cares about them, but in the way a craftsman care about his tools. They're a means to an end. Ultimately there should be a contrast to how Anakin lead the 501st and how Vader treats them. Anakin would risk his life to save his men, Vader uses them as human shields.

I'd say they DO appreciate his skills, but it would likely be as much fear as respect. On ground or flying, your odds of survival are higher when Vader is present, though there is always the chance that you might get caught up in his fury.

>>60851

If it was ever a real thing, that rivalry died years upon years ago. Outside of Abrams films the fans largely don't really like Trek was dead for years and it's last series wasn't exactly lauded from what I understand.

The only time it could ever have even been plausible, was in the 80's when the OT was still coming out and TNG was popular.

>>60851
It is but its more of a friendly rivalry. Like a lot of people that like one like the other.

However both are Science fiction (and before someone complains about this. If you go to a book store, SW books are found in the SciFi section, not the Scince Fantasy section) of around the same time period that really pushed the imagination of people. Star Wars fans generally prefer the more action orientated SWs that comes from being a drama while Trekkies prefer the more thought provoking stories (I think) so it explains why their are two groups,

But ya it is a friendly rivalry that sees people from either source liking the other. It is just the nature of the thing that you will like one more.

>>60865
>>60846
I suppose we'll have to see if Dodonna's people are still called Massassi or not. It's possible they lost that kind of distinction when the Rebel Alliance was formed, at which point they weren't just a loose knit bunch of groups but a true military force, albeit a fairly unconventional one given the strength of their adversary.

>>60891
E6 was in 1983 and TNG started in late 80s, but I get your point.

>>60884

Yes, but then you have to say that Stormtroopers act like middle schoolers. Growing OUT of that idea is essentially the quintessential growing up story by the same logic.

>>60887

The problem is you have to justify that with both New and Old canon. Vader only uses standard troopers and environmental adaptations therein. The quality of the individual stormtrooper, in the sense of them being a tool, never really comes up because every other writer adds their own super elite for real stormtrooper that Vader never used for unknown reasons. But it was never really justified anywhere even before Disney unless I've missed something.

>>60894
>Trekkies prefer the more thought provoking stories

This is why we hate JJ. His movies are all action, and no thought. Trek was about embracing your humanity, like spock did in the end, and he fucked it up.

>>60851

>Is Star Wars/Trek rivalry a real thing or is it just a meme?

It's just a joke at this point, I think only people with only vague awareness of both franchises think the rivalry is real.

>Has it ever been real?

The closest it ever got to being "real" was just after the original Star Wars film came out. Paramount, the holders of the Star Trek license, decided to make a Star Trek movie to cash in on the Star Wars/sci-fi craze. They scrapped the new series that was in pre-production, converting the pilot episode script into a feature length movie (predictably the script didn't hold up well to being stretched). It did alright financially and critically, but obviously was nowhere near the smash hit that A New Hope was.

This was sort of the only time the two franchises could have been considered to be in direct competition, otherwise they kept to their own things. Star Trek returned to TV, where Star Wars wouldn't be until the Clone Wars (and even then they wouldn't be competing due to completely different target audiences and time slots) and while the Star Wars and Star Trek movie series both continued they never really competed.

Perfectly said >>60887
>I'd say they DO appreciate his skills, but it would likely be as much fear as respect. On ground or flying, your odds of survival are higher when Vader is present, though there is always the chance that you might get caught up in his fury.
This here is EXACTLY how Legends actually would portray Vader. Stormtroopers were terrified of him, but if they saw him they would flock to him.

>>60915
My friend who is a trekkie but likes SWs also pretty just hates JJ for exactly the reason you give. I kind of dont factor in new fans of the series with the old trekkies. Its not like they would show up dressed up to comiccon or something.

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>>60963
Well, he did a near shot for shot remake of the wrath of Khan (one of my favourite movies ever) but changed the plot twist, killed the main, and then BROUGHT HIM BACK. He missed the point of spock dying. It hurt. You hurt when you lost him. When Jim lost him. Bringing him back with the mcguffin less than two minutes later cheapens it, and ruins the impact of him dying.

JJ is a fucking hack who went the easiest route possible

>>60911
I'm not really following you. So far Scar Squadron is the big super awesome, supposedly group, and Vader is pretty damn critical of them.

We've got some guys in the Battlefront novel and some upcoming in a book dealing with the hunting down of Saw's Partisans, though that last one too I believe faced disgrace.

And of course there is the 501st, the legion of the Emperor's best who were probably literally ass raped by teddy bears. But you know what they say, Sith happens.

>>60961
The question was more about SW fans and trekkies, then the franchises themselves, but OK.

>>60963

The issue is that nuCanon has been playing the stormtroopers differently in that regular Troopers are literally just brainwashed into being numbers who can only derive joy from following orders, with all other personality supressed.

For that kind of group to worship Vader, with Vader himself and the mention of him coming up nowhere in their conditioning, is kind of a red flag in that some part of that equation got aborted and one of those subplots simply won't be around going forward.

>>60975

The obvious question is why aren't SCAR troopers on Hoth, where Vader is assaulting a rebel base and needs a squad of elite guys to keep up with him? The group we follow has a number and presumably are like ARC troopers so there's more of them. So why don't we see them in the OT?

>>60977
Ya but that is more a case of the universe being written poorly. This entire thing came from the idea on if Vader likes his men in which the answer is a resounding no he should not.

It sounds like the real problem is that there are a few authors who tried to write Stormtroopers worshiping Vader which wouldnt be a problem if they clearly stated why, but they didnt which creates a "this seems odd and out of character for someone involved here"

But if thats the case, we really arnt debating anything as just saying, the writers of some of these books wrote things that fit awkwardly.

>>60986
Why didnt we see Rangers assaulting Iwo Jima or Navy SEALs assaulting Bagdad. Probably the same logic in universe.

a) waste of their skills due to meat grinder nature
b) not in position at the time
c) simply off screen doing other stuff but still there.

>>60977

Though now that I think about it that's probably an indication that Finn is going to use the force. Zaire went through heavy shit but when the empire tortured him in the same way Leia got it, he had no resistance but she could do it. I think the justification is that Leia was subconsciously using the force and Vader somehow just never picked up on it or cared.

>>60986
Maybe they did take part. I'm sure we didn't see everyone at the party, after all.

If they did they probably weren't going on with the ground troops but striking elsewhere as a covert team, likely targeting intel or maybe Rebel leadership. But that's only a theory. Hoth wasn't about survival strikes, it was about brute force.

>>61017
>Ya but that is more a case of the universe being written poorly.

Again, that was kind of my original point. It's not that it IS a certain way, it's that the whole situation is written poorly in the same way that a lot of other situations are written poorly for similar reasons. Justifications for it are either Lucasfilm covering their ass or it just means their basic reasoning for having it that way to begin with is flawed.

The main issue with the allegory is that you're comparing the American military, where ground troops can have several parallel roles since the Army and Marines are separate and the divisions are marked all the way up, to Star Wars, where everyone mostly reports to similar chains of command on the ground, and especially NuCanon Star Wars where the Army to Stormtrooper's Marines is even less relevant since now the Army is just a part of the Stormtroopers instead of separate.

>>61087

Yeah, this is only personal opinion but I don't really like the idea of retconning existing battles like that. Twilight company already triggered my autism by adding in Gozantis to Hoth when they weren't in the OT, and that's just them adding the ship to do the thing it's logically designed to do. Throwing in a super elite team of crack stormtroopers the movie would have never shown seems silly.

>>61096
The conflict is always larger than the limited view we have on-screen. I have no problems with retroactive continuity adding elements, at least in theory. The additions may be welcome or not, but then that depends largely on individual opinion.

>>61125

Yeah, but it causes you to question the film. If there's a shot somewhere else that's more interesting than the concurrent thing in the original film, you just question why we didn't see that in the original film.

>>61134
I don't see why it would be a problem. We don't see Dodonna after ANH, just as we don't see Ackbar or Mon Mothma until ROTJ. That hardly means that is all they've ever done, and indeed all of these characters have been explored in new media.

Hell, if Dave has his way we may have Rex on Endor helping to blow up the shield generator. And then there is Wedge himself who only just shows up and plays important rolls but never really gets to be much of the actual story, we don't really know much of him at all in the movies, and yet he's had huge amounts of backstory woven around him in old and new canon.

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>>59074

Did you not see the comic where Vader has an internal battle with Anakin only to kick Annie down and throw him into the lava? THAT is the spark that constantly tries to eat away at him.

>>61258
To be fair Vader threw just about everyone in the lava in that episode.

Test post.

We /secretclub/ now.

>>61937
It's an ISB trap. The Party Gozanti will jump into the sector any moment now and Ban Delta Zero the entire place.

>>61159

Yes, but those are just seperate stories told elsewhere. If it's the same battle it's technically a part of the same sequence.

>>62141
Ah, but how do you know Dodonna and Mon Mothma weren't on Hoth too! Eh, eh! That's right, you don't! Because for battles that large there is always more going on. Who knew Poe's hot mom flew in Green Squadron and almost shot down Luke Skywalker as he evacuated the Death Star II with Vader's body? Or his dad fought with the commandos on the ground? Or Gold Squadron's Gold Three was a lady who wound up leading the survivors of Alderaan in place of Princess Leia?

It is, no offense, completely stupid and ultimately pointless to limit these huge events into only what we see on the screen. That would be like claiming what you see in Saving Private Ryan was all that was going on during WWII. Everything they add grows the universe and the story while you're trying to artificially keep it small, and for no real good reason that I've heard.

Also we're all in the proper /co/ thread which is back now.

>>56846
He insulted him a little bit. Also see how he respects the soldiers in lords of the sith and tarkin

>>60413
Rebels expands this

>>62246
I don't think I would call that respect, plus Vader in the comics and LotS has the exact same habit of TKing people out of his way when he's in a hurry. It's pretty funny.