PB is best boy, yes he is yes he is.
This season really uped the drama and bat shit craziness by eleven in a lot of the episodes.
Like normally I'd get depressed around episode 11 every season, but holy shit there was so much going on.
>The scratched-out face
Bea has been shown to be incredibly jealous of even the chance that Butterscotch might sleep around (Remember all those snarky remarks in previous flashbacks)
only to find out not only did he in fact do so but it was also with the hired help who wants to keep the child and to top it all off, Butterscotch didn't have the stones to deal with it himself; he begged her to clean up the 'mess' he made. But hey, it turns out his comment about her Diamond mark wasn't complete bullshit like she always thought
Bojack's relationship with his mother has been the driving force of the show since the beginning. Show has made no secret everything wrong with Bojack begins with his inability to deal with how his mother treated him.
>Whoa what a season
>time to go to sleep
I liked this season alot. I was worried they would make Mr.PB like Trump, but thank god the election shit was just a catalyst instead for Diane and PB to get a divorce next season. Also,
I don't know why, but I cried at the end of episode 11. That scene reminded me of the ending of Big Fish, the fucking goddamn feels man.
It was a nonsensical garbage which couldn't keep track neither of previous things shown in the show (Peanut Butter show, pasta saving, and dozen other shenanigans which makes people always ask for autographs and be happy he's around) or the joke it was trying to make itself.
If the episode didn't exist, nothing would have changed whatsoever with the episodes that followed except for three jokes which ultimately went nowhere. Episode 1 is the worse of the bunch of the episodes of this season.
I was worried Mr. PB was gonna turn into the bad guy this season or be shown as some selfish prick. But in the end, he's still a good boy and best friend.
Granted, he still gets easily manipulated. That's still his biggest drawback and his exes all loved abusing that.
Whoa another season ends with Diane being a huge bitch, what a surprise!
Jesus Christ I'm watching it now and I just finished episode 6, and I poke my head into /co/ with all the skill of avoiding spoilerage as a guy used to doing this shit...
But I am so far very, very, very pensive about the 11th episode. It's been brought up every fuck where. Quick, without spoilers, what should I expect?
That's bullshit and you know it. Every single first episode up to now has been a solid if unremarkable, serving as a proper bridge between seasons and setting up the overrall conflict that is to come.
This first episode did none of that.
Bojack and his mom have always been a big point in the show. It was never explored up until and I think that was intentional. It made for a great chunk of buildup.
Time's Arrow was hands down the best of the season.
Dude, after episode 11, I want to feel and cry more. This season was fucking fantastic for Bojack.
Fucking feels anon...it's been awhile since a show made me cry like this.
This show has made me depressed in the past, but I was on the verge of tearing up by the end.
Like fuck man, I hate Bojack's dad so much and I'm glad Bojack didn't tell off his mom even tho she was a cunt to him most of his life.
Even though everything nearly comes together by episode 12, it seems only Bojack & Todd have the better end of the stick while everyone else is miserable.
I was hoping for the series to end this season, but now I wouldn't mind a season or two more before it finishes.
>Every single E11 so far has been brutal.
>I've never really paid attention to episode counts
>Checks to see what all the other E11s have been
Judah was a piece of shit who thought he could make the decisions because he was the assistant of the owner. Well it bit him in the ass and PC was absolutely right to fire his ass because you can't trust someone like that.
>STOP BEING SO NICE AND PERFECT MR. PEANUTBUTTER THIS MARRIAGE IS SO SHITTY WITH YOU BEING SO SUPPORTIVE OF ME ALL THE TIME AND TREATING ME SO WELL
Is Diane the most insufferable cunt of all time?
I still can't figure out if the creators actually think they are making people feel sympathy for her. I can't even begin to fathom any other purpose in framing her narrative like they do, but they must be aware that "oh woe me, I have everything to be happy but I still can't be, and it's not my fault" isn't really compelling or sensical.
How THE FUCK Hollyhock ended up with Bea's diamond mark on her face if she isn't Bojack's daughter? They put so much thought on details on this season, I doubt this isn't the equivalent of having your parents characteristics for a horse.
Bojack has Bea's diamond mark and Butterscotch's stripped mark on his nose, well, the nose end of it at least.
I can't watch this. My grandmother has dementia, she's in a nursing home and all she does is lie there all day playing with a doll. I don't need to be reminded of it.
I'm always a sucker for the whole
senile character is told a beautiful lie so they don't know how shitty their addle brained existence really isthing, so I was wondering if the conclusion of episode 11 had hit home for anyone else the way it had for me. Good to see it did.
It's with great hope and dreams of self-aware well meaning, intelligent, and wise creators that Diane is actually designed to seem, on the surface, the straightman and the standard woman archetype that's sensible and is liberal, but in actuallity is SUPPOSED to come across as a straight up cunt in personality to discern who actually pays attention to the show and who just goes around listing their favorite characters on Youtube for clicks.
>yfw in ep 2 when the flashback/realtime duet starts up
>Waiting the entire season for that moment of lucidity to tear her a new one
>He's realized it wouldn't change anything by the time it finally rolls around
>Instead he lets the past go and chooses to comfort her one last time
>"You're in Michigan, at the lake house..."
Bojacks dad mentioned her mother, hollyhocks grandmother, had the same diamond.
I work at a retirement home, where we also have a memory care unit. I saw one of the residents feeding and taking care of a "baby" like Beatrice was, it got me wondering...is this an good representation of what happens to people with Dementia? If it is...kill me now, I don't ever want to end up like that.
oh yeah, shit, now thats make sense. I skipped that line, too much going on this season desu, but probably (?) the best season so far. I was looking at Butterscotch white line on his nose and Bojack's thinking "well, wtf?". For a couple of episodes I was sure Hollyhock was PC's daughter for a twist, but the Henrieta twist was so much better.
Damn, that season was brutal. I barely laughed, just felt.
>yfw episode 6 uses a "time travel" plot device similar to season 2's and the presence of it being correct and canon in season 2 lulls you into believing it's also correct in season 6 and not just in someone's head- until it is.
Think of the end of season 3 where Diane goes rigid when her new boss starts asking what she'd do if no matter how nice and supportive her man is, he just doesn't get it and will never get it.
This is her realizing that. She describes her Belle-room and he thinks it means book props and painted smiley faces on the furniture, not a room for a bookworm. He is a big dopey extroverted dog and while he may bring her joy he will remain completely oblivious throughout.
For someone who wants to be appreciated for her depth, this kills her inside.
I'm not saying she's the hero or she's right, just trying to explain the scene.
Nurse here. I do hospice now and I've done dementia care in the past. There is very much a good representation of dementia. It's sad to watch and it's even worse to see it progress.
>when the kino kicks in and you cant deal
Which is the first sign of true growth we have ever seen from bojack in all this time. With a bit of luck, the writers will realize character status quo being god doesn't make sense if you want to keep making seasons.
Episode 11 is a bit dramatic but yeah. It's like you are dreaming but instead of your subconscious picking up that werid thing at lunch you forgot about later its all your younger memories. The whole refering to some random guy as your son thing is basically you sleep walking through life.
No you're not autistic or retarded, anon. The writers are. Mister Peanutbutter is nothing but loyal, loving, and supportive of Diane.
>You kissed Bojack? Oh well, these things happen!
>You want to go to Cordovia? Sure thing, love you honey, stay safe!
>You have actually been home this whole time and were lying to me? It's okay, I know you just needed some space!
>You went to a party and took a bunch of drugs? Well I hope you had fun!
>You said you wanted a ballroom? Well here's a room full of balls!
>This isn't the kind of ballroom you wanted? I'm sorry, I was just trying to surprise you!
>You want to take on a big celebrity and their sexual harassment allegations? I'll support you and defend you!
>You're pregnant and want an abortion? Alright, that works for me!
>You wanted a room like Belle from Beauty and the Beast? Well I made you a room just like it while we were away!
And how does Diane repay him? She gets mad at him for having different political opinions and writes smear articles on him. She gets mad at him for doing nice things for her. She doesn't support him or his ideas. She constantly bemoans how loyal he is and how loving he is towards her and lusts after an abusive shitty broken asshole like Bojack.
She has no redeeming qualities, she is a terrible person and one of the worst characters in any piece of media.
She has a loving, rich husband that would go to the ends of the earth for her, she has had multiple jobs that all are exactly what she wants to do, she has a great house, she lives in the lap of luxury - and she hates it all. She's just a piece of shit. With how "progressive" this show is I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out that Diane is genuinely an autist.
I don't think Diane was pissed the books were fake. I don't think she even realized they weren't real books at the short glance we saw her have before throwing her fit. She's pissed PB did it at all, not that he did it wrong.
Dementia isn't loud and dramatic. Dementia is quiet and sad, weak and frail, scared and alone. Beatrice is a pretty good representation of dementia. It is one of the most cruel diseases in existence.
It's a tough scene but I can understand Diane. Just because you fantasized about something as a child, doesn't mean you truly want it. Even if, maybe the sole idea itself was just what made it so fascinating.
Kinda like I always thought about what life wouls be like if I just gave everything up and became like a sheep herder. It's a nice little happy place for yourself but if I had a billionaire friend who bought me a sheep farm because I shared this thought with him and he thought that's what I truly want it would also freak me out. It would be too much, I would lose my fantasy and instead if becoming my own little escape it would be a huge burden.
I dunno that's my take on it anyway, but I can understand with Diane
When she called Bojack "a waste of my husband's jism", the answer was right in front of us
>Well it set up Bojack's mother's past
Episode 11 does it much better even in a vaccum and there's actual advancement
>showed Bojack's first steps to improvement
What first step? Bojack rebuilt the house as a way to ignore his life back in California, and he didn't even do it purposefully, his neighbor was the one who actually got it started; and then proceed to destroy it all because reasons.
There was literally nothing in that episode which is relevant to the overall story, and nothing which advances aanything.
>Beatrice implies that it was all a big lie.
Beatrice believed it to be a lie, which doesn't mean it's actually a lie. We won't know until we get to see Hollyhock's paternal grandmother
And the worse part is the show doesn't seem to want to call a spade a spade and point out she's a massive ungrateful cunt who has provide nothing to the relationship.
But that's the point anon. Diane and Mr Peanutbutter just don't fit together on a mental level.
Just imagine all of those scenes you listed being played out with Bojack instead. Or just remember how she interacts with Bojack all the time. Bojack understands her and she understands Bojack. The reason why it doesn't work out between her ans Mr PB is the same reason why Bojack can't stand Mr PB.
Man, that fucking framing device really had me fooled good. I honestly thought this episode was gonna end on a bit of a high note, or at least a bittersweet one, but not even that.
Yeah, I thought I kinda got where Diane was coming from in this way also.
Also Mr PB's whole reason or doing it was to strengthen the relationship and make the house feel like something they shared instead of something he alone had control over, but the way he went about it was to impulsively do it alone without consulting Diane, the same way he does a lot of the things that piss Diane off, and it defeated his whole purpose of sharing it with her by not letting her have control over the situation just for the sake of making it a "surprise."
I still think Diane's reaction was uncalled for, but I guess it was supposed to be a "straw that broke the camel's back" thing and if it'd happened earlier in the show she might've handled it differently.
I honestly can't because go back wouldn't attempt to make her happy, he'd just go down with her in a spiral of depression. They aren't happy together, they understand each other and hate what they see.
I actually appreciated the slightly more spread out drama opposed to the huge drama bombs. Overall I liked the direction they took this season, I do feel like the governor plotline dragged on a little too long but other than that it was great.
I'm glad it looks like MPB and Diane's actual relationship issues will be looked at in more depth next season.
I'm also glad that Bojack finally seems to be sincerely trying to change and has acknowledged that it isn't an overnight fix and that he's going to stumble. I think having a family member in his life who isn't completely broken really helped him. After all the shit PC went through I'm glad Bojack took the role, and hopefully put some stock into the adoption idea so she can reconcile with Ralph. Despite not caring much for Todd's plotline I was still happy for him that he's worked out more of his sexuality. I'd be nice if him and Bojack could make futher amends but it wouldn't make or break the show for me.
Oh no I knee since ralph stood up for her that fetus was on borrowed time. The framing device was the nail in the coffin, absurd for bojack standards, it even had "future adderall" written on the pills.
If this isn't fully realized, along with Bojack being content with knowing his sister will lead a happy life with a good family while he dies only to be known as "that horse from horsin' around", then...well idk actually.
I just hope this series concludes where Diane gets justifiably shat on as the cunt she is and Bojack is at the least content with the decisions he's made and finds peace in that he's done all he could in life, even if he's well aware that many of his decisions were poor.
>tfw season 5 is when PB will be at his lowest after the divorce
>tfw bojack will have to be the friend that PB was to him many times, with his own style and not bojack it up.
I'm not prepared for it. Tbh. He's too pure.
>Dogs evolved from scavanger renegade pack wolves that bounded with humans to survive, therefore relying on human leadership to survive
>Mr. Peanutbutter is incapable of leading, and probably all the other dogs in this universe
It's like poetry, it rhymes. Those little subtle details and moments of the anthropomorphic animals keeping the natural characteristics of the animal they are is what makes me love this universe so much.
>PB: Everyone deserves to be loved
>Scene ends. No quip, no eye-roll, not even an "ugh"
Did they have an actual moment?
He's not going to be able to do it and he'll be secretly smug PB is now down to his level.
I can't decide if Ruthie knowing about a B plot that PC didn't know about is an indication that it wasn't PC's fantasy afterall but the actual truth, or if it was a lazy oversight by the writers indicative of bad writing, or if it's just a cartoon, and one that is very aware of its own status as a fictional story at that, and maybe I should just give it a pass.
I thought that Diane has a problem thinking that she doesn't deserves to be happy and have someone like Mr PB. That's what I got from the part that PB wants for them to built the house together, while she wants a house PB is happy with. Like she thinks she only takes and doesn't give anything (she hates her job that she only got because of knowing PC, she wasn't really supportive of the governor campaign, everything in season 2 with her not being in Kordovia; lying about it and getting instantly forgiven ) So she may feel like the relationship is one sided even if she does love PB
>Also Mr PB's whole reason or doing it was to strengthen the relationship and make the house feel like something they shared instead of something he alone had control over, but the way he went about it was to impulsively do it alone without consulting Diane, the same way he does a lot of the things that piss Diane off, and it defeated his whole purpose of sharing it with her by not letting her have control over the situation just for the sake of making it a "surprise."
My only stance on this is, if Diane was open to actually discussing how to rebuild the house when Mr. Peanutbutter initially expressed his desire to have her contribute, so it's equal parts both of their's, while they were still with the designer then it wouldn't have happened. I understand Diane not liking the big gestures but at the same time if she ever gave her input on situations like this then Mr. Peanutbutter wouldn't feel the need to do it. It's strange to me that for someone so opinionated that Diane can't do something as simple as give her opinion on a house design and add her own input.
Sometimea Bojack hits just way close to home.
Bojack telling himself what a piece of shit he is the entire episode and stressing out about every little thing was the episode for me
I wouldn't think much about it but I think it was really just red hering. Basically you were expected to believe that Princess happy ending somehow became a result of the Bojack story and hers tying together. I don't even remember if Bojack told PC at the end what he was up to all day and that's why she knew
I could buy her knowing about the facts of b plot later, but the robot displaying b-plot detected reeked of fantasy. Also knowing way too specfically what pc was thinking and feeling. No the whole future setup was just a signal that "yeah the fetus is dead" at the episode start
Todd is such an asshole. He has become the Tom Yates of the show. He is clearly a Gary Sue. Asexual? The whole subplot about it looks like the writers just discovered the term Asexual. From a scientific point of view, being an Asexual is impossible. Now, someone will reply and say "But I'm Asexual, Anon" No you are not asexual you are just ugly and you tell yourself that it doesn't matter, but deep down you know that you will be forever alone and take your own life in your mother's basement.
Back on the Todd question. He is a shitty OC, Bojack did nothing wrong and Todd is an Incel. His whole character is at fault but the writers still try to make him look right.
P.S. If someone on Netflix is on here, I want you to know I pirated the entire season.
It's not really a personal thing that raises a lot of strong emotions, and I doubt it's a popular opinion, but I thought the whole "thoughts and prayers" episode was a pretty striking commentary on how shallow and removed and unempathetic all the characters were. Like, damn.
Well, yeah, the whole asexual plotline is retarded and pointless, and the fact the writers think they can both have the girl tell Todd to his face she's just going to look for someone else because he can't commit, AND have Todd still bitch about how Bojack had sex with her when she was the one who initiate it all is just disingenous.
thoughts and prayers is pretty much a huge joke on how everytime something awful happens every liberal in california goes thoughts and prayers and goes back to their normal routine.
I'm probably giving the writers too much credit, but maybe the intention was to bring up these characters as innocent and the victims of Bojacks bullshit in the early seasons, but without him in their lives, they're fully realized as broken, or outright pieces of shit who are no better than him, or in some way, need him.
I think it really points out how liberal hollywoo types really really don't give a shit as long as it benefits their agenda. They go thoughts and prayers and how horrible it is but all they do is think about how to use the situation to their advantage.
>the scene where they were actually hoping for another shooting just to boost the movie
I take it you havent spent much time in the west coast
Also especially interesting from the perspective of Hollywood producers because that's what their thought processes are probably are when a mass shooting happens.
"FUCK A MASS SHOOTING. THIS MEANS MY MOVIE IS COMING OUT TO TOTALLY THE WRONG TIME"
I always feel numb after finishing the annual Bojack season binge, but much less so this time. I agree with what some other people were saying, the PB governor storyline kinda sucked as did episode 1 and the other couple filler episodes, but honestly I think this season as a whole was the best so far.
Every story line and character to me felt like it had a purpose and somewhat satisfying resolution. I love Hollycock. She's such a comfy character.
Diane has gotten a bit more annoying and dramatic though, I'm imagining with the divorce plot they're setting up she's going to be even more insufferable in the next season which is a shame.
Honestly though, despite how depressing episode 11 was (having known family members with mental illness, my mother most likely going to suffer from dementia in the coming years, grandma going through EST) the ending of the season was the most heartwarming moment of the series so far because it's nice to have a moment where Bojack is redeemed in a sense and he doesn't do something else to make himself an asshole again just to revert the status quo. I want some to make a gif or webm of his smile at the end so I can watch it on repeat.
P.S. Does anyone know the song that plays at the end of the last episode?
Yeah but I think BoJack telling her about his day at the end of the night doesn't add up because I'm pretty sure PC was supposed to be imagining the future framing device during her events in the day instead of afterwards at the end. This is why Ruthie still believed that PC's necklace was from the old country, because PC imagined that part before she found out it was a lie.
The alternative implication is she fantasizes passing on that lie to her future kids and grandkids, but then if that's the case, it gets fucked up because Ruthie tells the part of the story where the gold plating is revealed to PC later.
Anyone who tells you fracking contaminates groundwater doesn't know fuck all of what they are talking about. Always remember that, and you won't have to deal with as many idiots.
With Bojack I'm never sure if the writers are redpilles or bluepilled. Could be a "christians are bad people too!" virtue signaling or a "Of course liberal news media tries to relativise muslim terrorism by pointing out how some guy shooting up a mall is christian, even if nobody is really sure if he really was"
Anyway it's not in your face about it anyway and that's why I think a lot of Bojack jokes work
>This is why Ruthie still believed that PC's necklace was from the old country, because PC imagined that part before she found out it was a lie.
Well it could be that she's still in denial about it
I know I was
Jokes work on subverting expectations
This means they've basically accepted the idea that everyone believes muslims constantly go on killing sprees, otherwise there would be no joke here
See, I don't mind that. Todd, the silly guy who has weird adventures is perfectly fine with me as a character. I have nothing against him.
I do have an issue when he's used to act like the moral high ground when his position is not sustainable. Todd had not entitlement to the girl, and it's clear neither him or her have any interest in trying to make a relationship work, so why berate bojack for their personal failures?
Anon, I think you spend too much time on the internet.
Her son died and she went crazy with grief and guilt, is not out of the ordinary for parents to feel that if their kids pass away before they do.
>Ugly people get laid all the time you moron. Just because you don't understand asexuality doesn't mean you have to dismiss it.
Carl, Can I call you Carl? Carl jacking off and having sex are to different things. One day Carl you will have to grow a pair and hire a whore. Sure you may have to wear a paper bag over your head, but you will not be a virgin with rage anymore. Chris-Chan now has a girlfriend, Carl. Chris-Chan. If he can do it so can you. Give up your fantasy about asexuality. Soon, you will see the light. One day you will lose your v-card and say "I am not Asexual, I was just too lazy/ugly to get laid. My problems are my own." Only then Carl you will finally move out of your parents basement.
I think it was alluding to
Beatrice drugging Hollyhock by putting amphetamines in her coffee.
Man this show hit me hard.
>Raised by grandmother.
>Watch slip deeper into dementia.
>Starts treating a doll like her baby
Her funeral is on Monday.
Seeing Beatrice just made me feel worse.
But why did she kiss his friend?
And of course it's normal for a mother to be grief stricken but she went nuts and ignored her other child and husband. It's like her life revolved around her son. I don't think their relationship was normal.
Well, while I am sure some of do spend a lot of time in the internet, I couldn't help but get the same vibes from the whole thing. That's not the usual Mother-son interactions I have ever seen, and is more akin to a budding romance one.
>Runt of the litter
>Multiple dead babies
Why do they let her suffer? They better be giving her a win in season 5.
I am not implying shit, I am saying Bojack was completely in the right to not reject a girl he barely knew anything about other than:
a.) Todd knew her.
b.) She wanted to have sex with him.
Specially when he had a long story of rejecting her advances for wacky hijinks. He has no right to be angry if by all indications he was just going to string her along until he could figure out what's wrong with him, and why he apparently could so easily have relationships for the previous 2 seasons but not with her.
What's easier to believe?
1. A healthy mammal experiences no sexual attraction in spite of a billion years of sex in their genetic past
2. Someone who is looking for something to make them special in the eyes of others says they feel no sexual attraction
I understand what they're saying, and I'm saying they're either lying to be special or have a disorder
She must have had mental problems beforehand and the death of her son just set her off. I don't know if there's a good explanation for her kissing the friend outside of being out of her mind and drunk, I think if he had like confused the friend for her son it would be clearer if there was something there to imply.
>be the only character that wants to help everyone and wants everyone to be happy
>suffer the most from everyone
And to think in the beginning I didn't like Princess because I thought she was your stereotypical bitchy business woman that just terrorizes the MC telling him how useless he is similar to Mr. PB's ex-wifes
Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean you have to dismiss it. There are gay peope, anon, being gay doesn't make instinctual sense since you're not reproducing. Is it so hard to believe there are people that just aren't interested in having sex? It's not a wild concept.
Or maybe it's you that doesn't.
Did you guys watch this season at all? I was hoping it would spread some understanding about asexuality but apparently it just went over your heads. Asexual people date and have families. You can eat when you're not hungry. You can have sex for the purpose of procreation.
Well events in Bojack episodes aren't always in chronological order.
They often go back in time to a different character's perspective so the story could be a mix of present PC's imagining and end of the day PC piecing things together imagining.
But there's also the fact that her grief was paralleled with the dragonfly who lost his wife.
I really think they were implying incest. When the brother was introduced I didn't even get that it was meant to be the brother at first, he came in like a family friend and their interactions were a bit weird - the dad seemed jealous.
Depends. Is it going to be handled as heavy handed as the asexual thing, with Todd going to gay social groups while defining all the different aspects of being gay? Or is he going to be the same character, but also gay?
I do get tired of your kind coming here.
See, I don't know what specifically signaled the other anon, but it's beyond the kiss for me. The first entrance, the way the mother doted over the son, the way they did the duet, how it mirrors the dragonfly's grief.
If they weren't intending to imply some incetous undertones they sure went their way to give the imrpession
I think she was overwhelmed with grief and that made her desperate for some kind of physical comfort. Her husband wasn't gonna give it to her prolly because he was skeeved out by her emotions so she grabbed the next familiar man she could.
TL;DR Grief makes you do crazy things.
Eh, the theme of the season is family, not love. And it might be hard to believe if you don't have a kid of your own, but the bond between a parent and a kid can be just as strong if not more than a lovers one. Specially since it seems the father was more detached from the family, the kids were drawn closer to their mother. In the 11th episode there's a parallel drawn between Beatrice losing her baby toy and her mother losing her son, his father tells her no to cry because she could end up like her mother.
>Eh, the theme of the season is family, not love.
That's irrelevant to the points being brought up, which I can't help to notice you did not address any.
>And it might be hard to believe if you don't have a kid of your own, but the bond between a parent and a kid can be just as strong if not more than a lovers one.
I have three young daugthers, how does that affect the points brought up about how the structured and presented the interactions between them?
>Specially since it seems the father was more detached from the family, the kids were drawn closer to their mother.
We have no indication of this. All we get from the father is that he was cartoonishly backwards about his view of women, and cartoonishly monied. And that still doesn't deal with the parallels to Ed, the kiss, and the first interaction between the two (in addition to the song in question).
>In the 11th episode there's a parallel drawn between Beatrice losing her baby toy and her mother losing her son, his father tells her no to cry because she could end up like her mother.
I will suggest you rewatch that episode, because you have seemingly completely misundertood what her father was talking about and how it affected her. Her father wasn't talking about the baby, he was talking about her emotions and attachments. Her mother got lobotomized because she couldn't keep her thoughts and emotions to herself, that's the threat her father made.
I don't think you understand what a detached parent is actually like. It's not a dad who works long ours, it's a dad who has hardly any interest in your well-being. For all his faults, Sugarman clearly cared for all his family in his own twisted way. Lobotomy wasn't done out of spite, and neither was his concerns over proper marriage. Do keep in mind, he was right.
Whoa, I'm glad Jessica Biel came back with a much bigger role. They were particularly mean with her. She's such a bro.
How can I address those points if they are subjective? You feel like they imply incest with those moments, I felt like they did not. Hell, rewatching it, when the son enters the mother just calls him handsome in the uniform and then they go to play a son on the piano. I don't get how that implies incest.
The whole 'narrative point' of the episode was to show how Beatrice learnt that she shouldn't get attached to her son, because if/when she loses him she will end up like her mother. Hence why she treated Bojack like shit.
> Her father wasn't talking about the baby, he was talking about her emotions and attachments. Her mother got lobotomized because she couldn't keep her thoughts and emotions to herself, that's the threat her father made.
Yes, but there is a parallel made between 1. Beatrice losing her baby doll, 2 Henrietta having to give up the baby and 3 Ms Sugarman losing her son. That's while that part had flashes between all those scenes
Saw some video where she complained to the producers that the writers were being too easy on her in earlier pieces and wanted them to really tear into her and her career.
Glad she gave them the go ahead.
>Calm down, future hard jeopardy question.
A Tale of Two Kitties
can't read the second one
Romeow and Juliette
Purrity (in pink?)
Consider the Lobster
the big book of Faw---
The Color Purrple
anyone able to read the ones i can't make out? it's in the pink cat's office in the first episode
>How can I address those points if they are subjective?
Same way you address all points about fictional media, by pointing out their internal inconsistensies. At this stage you have done none of that, and i am not going to hold my breath until you do.
>The whole 'narrative point' of the episode was to show how Beatrice learnt that she shouldn't get attached to her son, because if/when she loses him she will end up like her mother.
That's not it at all, otherwise the whole "you should make this all be worth it" line wouldn't make sense in the context of her view of the baby, or in the context of the narrative. Even in her talk about Henrietta, the focus isn't on the harm attachment to the baby but on the damage staying with Bojack's father and the kid that forces her to be there has done. The entire point isn't that she shouldn't get attached to her children because she might lose them (she never does), the entire point is the damage her father did to her mother, and the ways it parallels the ways Bojack's father damaged her (a decision she did out of a need to spite her father).
And there's no flashes of Mrs. Sugarman in that whole sequence, nor is there any sequence in the episode where the focus is in the lost of her son, and all to do with the lingering threat Beatrice will get lobotomized if she let's her emotions get the better of her. That third leg of your stool is nowhere to be found, because the focus on the Baby dool-Hollyhock parallels involve an external figure severing the child from the parent for their own good.
Or, put another way, the whole point is that this force separation, this unattachment if you will, is actually harmful for those involved, even if they remain functional afterwards. The loss breaks them, and this continues with every generation.
I feel as though they missed a big opportunity to bring up Sarah Lynn when it revealed Hollyhock had ODed. Think about it. Bojack parties with his fake tv daughter and sets her down a path that leads her to dying from an OD on drugs literally named after him. He then is accused of putting his own biological daughter down a similar pat, despite being completely innocent and not that bad at taking care of her. He should be crushed that people think he is so much of a scumbag that even after Sarah Lynn, he could do the same to his own flesh and blood. He shouldn't have gone on a binge, but it should have been bigger.
>Same way you address all points about fictional media, by pointing out their internal inconsistensies. At this stage you have done none of that, and i am not going to hold my breath until you do.
I really don't understand what you want me to argue here. Again, the interactions between Ms Horseman and Crackerjack seem normal to me. He comes in, his father tells him to get ready for the picture and then his mother calls him handsome takes him to the piano and they play a song. The father exasperation doesn't seem like jealousy to me, he is just impatient to get the photo ready since Crackerjack was already late. After that, Ms Sugarman gives him the blanket, which just seems like a cliche of a mother giving her kid something from when they were babies that they don't really need anymore because they still see them as little kids.
The 'incest' part is implied after the son dies. She goes crazy and that's enough to imply she loved her son more than she should? It seems like hysteria to me
> Historically, hysteria was thought to manifest itself in women with a variety of symptoms, including: anxiety, shortness of breath, fainting, insomnia, irritability, nervousness, as well as sexually forward behaviour
I admit I did get that part wrong, and I do agree that part is about forced separation. I confused it with minutes earlier when Beatrice goes to leave the painting with Bojack. There's a flash of the doll burning and one of Beatrice's mom playing the piano (what we know is that connects her to her son) That indicates that Ms Horseman equals losing her son to being hurt, even before the Lobotomy she could see that there was something wrong with her mother.
Pic related I guess.
They just gave us 8 gays in a polyamorous "relationship", they've dealt the full deck of gay cards and alternative lifestyles . Todd will start cross dressing or become a nullo because he doesn't find a point to having a dick he'll never use.
He thought she had gotten into them behind his back. Her doing that is different than giving her the drugs directly. They should have had the memory of happenned to Sarah Lynn be brought up in some way.
You can't say the lobotomy was the right idea. Now burning someone's stuff after they've had scarlet fever is the right thing to do, though probably not right in front of them, but he could have explained the need for that. Overall though he was more about the image of a family rather than the substance. Crackerjack's death was terrible for everyone though, that was a big part of how everyone's actions followed.
>You don't want to end up like your mother now, do you?
I don't think there is any point in him having a Sarah Lynn episode again.
This entire season was about him dealing with her death and being afraid that he'd fuck things up with his daughter.
It's always gonna be grim reminder of what happens if he goes back to his old way but now it's time to become better step by step
>It's always gonna be grim reminder of what happens if he goes back to his old way
I've honestly lost count of how many times bojack fucked up. I'm glad they're moving forward because it was getting old. I think they may have made a nice jab at it when bojack wasn't able to remember what the name of the auto asphyxiation guy was.
I watched up to 11 and stopped. Been up all night and I wanted to rest and make sure I had a stiff drink on hand. I did watch the first few seconds. I guess I really wasn't feeling any sympathy for the evil old bitch. Did like the lolUndertale allusion.
This, Honestly I really hated Diane in the last three seasons but something about her development in this season really made me sympathise with her. I love Mr Peanutbutter (Not even kidding he is a cartoon manifestation of everything I'd ask for in a lover) but you are so right, he is kind, loyal and good but that isn't enough.
Didn't Her and Bojack have a conversation at the end of the day where he listed everything that happened to him in the day? Also didn't she say that she would imagine that at the end of a long day? You could argue that she knew about the B plot because of that phone call with Bojack.
>From a scientific point of view, being an Asexual is impossible.
You're a fucking retard. Just because there is no direct usefulness from an Ultimate evolutionary standpoint doesn't mean that it cannot exist in a proximate capacity.
PB didn't even say that in his standard overly-enthusiastic clearly feigned tone of voice.
It was real, wasn't it?
I still wonder if it was an honest to god threat or if he said it meaning "overemotional and unstable" without realizing the threatening undertones
I mean, it would be the line between an abusive, uncaring and distant dad and a straight up sociopath
>You have actually been home this whole time and were lying to me? It's okay, I know you just needed some space!
Actually he doesn't know that
And you fucking faggots a man that does everything his bitch wants is not a good boyfriend. You have to be assertive or else you come up as weak. PB wasn't a good husband for the exact reason that he never said no.
He said no when she asked him not to run for governor. All I'm hearing is that Mr PB's too perfect. And initially I was expecting him to have some deep dark secret, or to actually hate everyone all the time. But he's a really good boy. Diane just seems to want some misery in her life because she grew up miserable.
>Show casually inserts a crazy 8 dad family and makes fun of it
>Autists complain at shoveling sjw propaganda
>Show makes a political race between a candidate that has obama posters and a down to earth candidate that "has to be the bad guy sometimes"
>Autists interprent it completly ass backwards and complain about the show slamming gronaldo droompf
Fuck you you fucking faggots, why are you such brainlets and not realise this show isnt sjw you fucks. Stop fitting everything into your narrative.
But unlike Bojack, she just gets away with it with no consequences and you get the feeling the writers want the audience to take her side. That's what makes her so fucking irritating.
no one i guess, he is actually a horse Toxic and he already know this. so i think he will never be married with others. besides, he has a sister who makes him feeling a responsibility.
As much as I personally don't think they were incestuous, the way that she remained hysterical a whole year after his passing did seem a bit off. Still being sad and having breakdowns now and then would be perfectly understandable, but the extent she took it to was insane and could very well be interpreted as a hint that she perhaps loved Crackerjack in the wrong way.
More like don't put too much of your love into something because it'll come back to hurt you. Conversely if you don't put your love into anything you'll end up a lonely bitter old person.
>Narration stops 3/4 through the episode.
I thought the little details about PC's love life were done for humour, but in retrospect how could her great great granddaughter have know those details?
I hope she gets back together with Ralph and goes through with the adoption, they're absolutely perect for each other. PC dropped the news of the miscarriage on him out of fucking nowhere, of course he wasn't able to handle it at that moment.
My only problem with asexual Todd is that it torpedoed her chances of coming back.
Just finished staying awake all night watching the season and then ruminated on it for about a half-hour.
Beatrice has my empathy, but not my sympathy.
>too fucking accurate
>trying to keep my shit together
his daughter inherited the issue
Beatrice's mom was an emotionally unstable madwoman with no self-control that was later lobotomized.
Beatrice's dad was a relatively-emotionally-detached figure that was constantly thinking of his family's image more than his family's stability.
Butterscotch was a tryhard wannabe that romanticized life so much that he acted like a rebel and married a chick he had a one-night-stand with.
Beatrice was surrounded by scumbags and she grew up to be a scumbag.
At one point, I would have said that this cycle of self-destructive scumbags would end if Bojack didn't have kids. But Sarah Lynn was proof that's not the case.
She'll be fine now that Bojack's content with being her half-brother and won't accidently influence her negatively anymore. Her parents are competent enough to make a good person out of her,
>10 minutes into the first episode
>they show a woman wearing a hijab
Its not an animation driven show, I like good animation and all that jazz but it doesn't helps when you are doing a dramatic show like Bojack.
Being Asexual is fucking dumb and the most first world shit (this is coming from a brown 3rd worlder) ever but statistically you can be retarded or autistic enough not to care about sex. Remember anon, autism is limitless.
They sacrificed animation fidelity for a quick turn around in season. Honestly I don't think better animation would get a could return for how much it would cost, Bojack's strength is its writing.
>mfw those """leaks""" from a couple of weeks ago were 100% false
Yeah that's a good point, it would've worked much better if she had run away from home rather than them happily letting her travel alone to LA to crash at a complete stranger's house. That was most likely a screwup by the writers though, they still seem like decent fathers.
I need these, but I dont know how to screencap netflix
She ain't dead yetwhich I found pretty surprising by the end. Their terrible relationship makes me so grateful for the relationship I have with my parents, even though I found out some Bojack-esque stuff about them recently.
Was anyone else surprised by how relatively apolitical this season was? I was expecting them to lay the politics on thick with the governor subplot but it was mostly just silly antics. Overall I thought season 3 with its abortion arc was more political than this one.
I remember after Trump was elected there was an interview of the creator saying he was going to make it more political, making people think PB would represent Trump or Arnie.
I'm glad that wasn't the case.
I actually really liked episode 3 and how it showed the huge amount of shit that Todd puts up with to assist everyone else. But at the end of the day, the only person he managed to properly help out was Bojack, even though Todd still hates his guts.
And that ending scene was pure gold.
>You know, sometimes, when that triangle part is coming up, I find myself hoping he won't show up. No man should be asked to give that much.
Not gonna lie, Todd had alot great lines this season.
>cleans up the entire house himself
>"what? I'm cleaning out his DVR."
> "Yeah I'm not sure the DNA test is needed"
I'm also super surprised how much I liked hollyhocks character.
It is pretty obvious that the Philbert movie will be a disaster and a good chunk of the season will be PC doing damage control and breaking further dealing with that, Todd will get relationship issues (again) and Bojack will have things go well get complacent and fuck up spectacularly in the very end.
Philbert being PC's baby fills me with dread given how much of a disaster it already sounds like production will be. She and Mr. PB are the only characters in the show I actually like anymore.
Good grief that arc was all over the place. On one hand the jab at celebrities taking advantage of controversial issues to boost their popularity was clever and fun, on the other hand the way they depicted every person who's against abortion as a regressive middle-aged white man or high-functioning retard was misguided and fucking dumb.
serious question : did he do it outta of love so she won't suffer the agony of her lost or just to shut her up or he was totally unaware of the consequences of the procedure???
Yeah Todd is a really good character whenever the writers put some effort into him and don't just make him a moron on a crusade of whacky shenanigans, which unfortunately becomes more common the further the show goes on.
>just to shut her up or he was totally unaware of the consequences of the procedure???
Both of these. He makes it apparent he can't deal with emotional stuff, but at the same time he (like many other people during that time period) didn't grasp what a lobotomy actually does to the brain.
He says at one point if he knew she'd act like that after the procedure, he never would've gone with ti.
Having Bojack have another spectacular fuck up as the season ending would be a mistake, I think, now that he's starting to actually change himself a little. The show would just be retreading ground again, it will get boring fast.
Then ending was sorta positive? BoJack was a good friend for once, she has a passion project and might adopt in the future... considering this is BoJack Horseman, that's as good as it gets.
Lobotomy were considered a legitimate therapy at the time. And she may well have been suicidal. However, he took a radical approach to solve the problem rather than deal with the emotional issues of someone he's supposed to love. You could compare it to getting an abortion; just making the problem go away by cutting it out.
There's another one I can't find unfortunately, but she says the father should have no say either way in tv he mother's choice to have an abortion, which I hate.
One thing I like about this show is that anytime an obscure celebrity is a character, it's almost always a guarantee that they actually got said celebrity to voice that part.
I think the only case where that didn't happen was season one, but correct me if I'm wrong.
For some reason I find the lack of shoes the oddest thing about it.
This season ended on what might well be the highest note of the show so far. Bojack is genuinely happy for Hollyhock, Todd realizes that he's not as alone as he might think and PC got back on her feet after her miscarriage.
The only characters that are in the shitter for the time being are Diane and PB with their relationship falling apart, and that's small fry compared to the struggles that everyone else has gone through,
They have had several scenes that specifically touch on the idea that Diane is a shitty person
The one that sticks out the most to me was actually in last season, when Diane and her friend are talking about Diana's issues as usual only for her to grandstand on the drought issue with very little to prompt it.
Scenes like that make it p clear to me that she's intentionally written like that, otherwise calling her out on her bullshit would be counter productive
Mr. PB doesn't know how to share sadness, disappointment, or hope. He himself floats along taking whatever opportunity presents itself because that works for him. Diane is reserved because life for her is like cordovia: you think you want something until you get it, and then you realize you liked the idea of it more than the reality. That's her career as a writer, her going to cordovia, her abortion, her politics. Mr. PB is just one more thing she feels like she doesn't deserve, and she lashes out based on that. The best way to handle something like the Belle-room would be to thank Mr. PB for the gesture, and then tell him to take all that shit down and never bring it up again because he ruined it by making it real.
That's why she gets along so well with Bojack. He's let's his toxicity out, the way Diane wishes she could. Hanging out with him is therapeutic because she can be as negative as he is and that's just life to him. The thing is she needs to learn to control it and not let it fester and blow up.
Aside from the teeth switching the resemblance is striking.
>The lobotomy that came completely out of nowhere
>The overdose that came out of nowhere
>The ovulation joke that turned into a miscarriage plot
>Everything with Eddie
>The angry sex thing with Diane and Peanut butter followed by the belle room and the slow crumble of their marriage
>Bojacks mothers flash back
It'll never be ok, will it lads?
Kinda annoyed that his musical talent has not been brought up since season 1. His only character growth so far is discovering he is asexual and since that means he doesn't want to bone anyone nothing has changed.
Bojack is getting better.
Diane and PB are getting worse and worse.
Last season will end with Bojack finding happiness in his life, while Diane fucks off and leaves PB a broken depressed hasbeen.
Were lobotomies actually common like that in real life back then?
Anon get a hold of yourself, whether or not Todd was interested in her or not, Bojack just straight up slept with his best friend/possible partner right in front of him, which was one of the last things Bojack had literally not fucked up for Todd.
The asexual line wasn't important in the long run either; it was more about fitting into the label, which most of them revealed didn't matter since: 2 asexuals were married and the Axolotl was like him and didn't give a shit. Hell even Bojack didn't even rip into him pointlessly for once.
Todd's REAL plotline was adopting dentist clowns, moving into PC's apartment and helping her deal a bit, and then having to stop rabid zombie clowns with barely anyone else's help.
I always hate how people only ever blame Bojack. Remember, consensual sex consists of TWO people. Emily is as much to blame as Bojack.
Of course, you don't sleep with friend's girls, but you also don't sleep with your possible fiancees friend.
>during its heyday in the 1940s and ’50s, the lobotomy was performed on some 40,000 patients in the United States, and on around 10,000 in Western Europe.
Forget season 3, what about season 2, when she and Bojack finally talk about her leaking his bio in season 1 and turns out Diane thinks it was a morally superior act and that because Bojack doesn't know what he wants from life she can decide for him when it suits her?
T U R B O C U N T
When done right, lobotomy can be a highly effective treatment. When done wrong (which is the most common case since the brain is sensitive as fuck) you get people like Beatrice's mom, if not worse.
He does, he just doesn't handle it in a healthy way. He just ignores it and doesn't think he deserves to feel that way (see his betrayal of Todd), similar to how Bojack and Dianne don't think they deserve to feel happy. Notice how every time Dianne tells him she doesn't want big gestures Mr. PB gets defensive that she's mad he would do something for her?
The thing is they both knew their marriage wasn't going to last, Mr. PB because he's done this twice before and Dianne because she doesn't know how to be happy. Maybe they can work out their issues, maybe they call it quits. Either way, that's life.
The female only drivers for female only passagers app that turned into stripper driving app still my favorite.
God, thinking about these two really make the clown thing look like crap
Jesus is this actually thing? I just taught it was a tv meme
Fuck diane, Mr.PB was just trying to have fun, and diane fucked everything up reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
But that's a stupid distinction. Everyone is against abortion. Women don't get abortions 'cause they like them. Nobody goes around yelling WHOO FUCK YEAH ABORTION TIME BITCHES! That's the whole point of the Sextina Aquafina episode in S3. It's a hard thing to deal with no matter what.
FAR from everyone opposed to abortion is an idiot, or a man, or a religious nutter, but the writers seem to think so despite it being demonstrably false.
Don't get me wrong, I fully approve of someone getting an abortion if they'd be unable to/unhappy with raising a kid, but that episode belittling them in such a way was narrow-minded and arrogant.
Because in the show, those who are against abortion are also against legalizing it. They are one and the same, so it doesn't matter.
There's crazies in every bunch.
But everyone opposed to legalizing abortion IS an idiot, or a man, or a religious nutter
Pretty much, Todd's had much better antics. A sexuality is a big step down from being in a prison gang or building your own amusement park. I thought they were on to something with Todd in the drone, then becoming governor, but that went nowhere.
Hey, if it makes you feel any better, her whole problem is that she hates herself, too, and thus doesn't think she deserves happiness, and thus feels like shit when people do nice things for her because she feels like it's wasted on her and she's somehow hurting them by being in their lives, leading her to lash out and drive them away for their own good, subconsciously.
Much like Bojack.
>live with parents
>dad deals with depression just as i do
>watch season 4 together
>mom goes upstairs so we can watch our "dumb horse show"
if only she knew
who do you watch the show with, /co/?
Jesus I just finished the season and it just dawned on me she actually appeared quite alot through the background of the flashbacks but because everyone was faceless she was just...another face forgotten.
Makes this whole episode 100% more spookier in all honesty.
now that i think about it what will be worse lobotomization or rabies
I think stupid characters can be funny if done right. Todd just has no redeeming qualities and nothing he does is really funny.
One episode in and he is already annoying with his crappy drone idea and how he gave away lots of money and does not care about that girl he is with.
Someone should just edit his scenes out.
Should I feel smart that I immediately thought that the pink envelope that arrives in episode 8 was going to have something to do with Hollyhock's mother that they'd come back to later, or did everyone else figure that out too?