Fact: Wanda is better than Raven
Wanda was prime jerk material for horny pre-teens in the early 90's.
Wanda is always Best Girl.
On one hand she's a filthy gyppo, so I know that if she existed she'd look like a deformed poo. On the other, it's fiction and she's hot. Wanna know my go-to method for gyppos in comics? You know how Americans and English call "gyppos" everyone who comes from a nomadic Tribe? So you have Irish Gyppos,British Gyppos,etc,etc. And thus, I just pretend she, Doom and Pietro are natives, they just come from Nomadic Tribes. And there, perfect Slavfu is canon!
One day, the Photoshop Anon will return to a Wanda Thread with his version of this pic.
>Introduce characters as White Europeans from fictional nation.
>Over 15 years later, retcon characters into being Gypies.
>Have no actual idea what the average Gypsy looks like.
>Decades later, Tumblrs start demanding the characters should just suddenly become brown.
This was entirely a mistake. The MCU was correct to just make them Slavs.
You're dead-on about everything anon. But like I said, they're always referredas gypsies, so coupled with the fact that they're white, you can just pretend they're Native Slavs that just never settled down. Besides, who gives a fuck what Tumblr thinks? Do you think that if that Doom movie happens, they'll cast some Indian instead of a white guy like Mads? Retconning them into poor Slavs is the saner and only viable choice.
She'll never wear it for DOOM either...
Steve Englehart created a lot of her modern characterization (and was the one who made her a "real" witch) and Kurt Busiek's Avengers is where she picked up a lot of her modern fans.
There seemed to be an upsurge of interest in her after Marvel started reprinting the Busiek run in 2012 and reminded people why she used to have fans pre-Bendis. Though that might just be George Pérez's famous fetishistic crush on her.
Wanda being a Slav without all the baggage of those retcons works a ton better.
Her having normal parents works better for her character arc in the MCU as well.
I relate to her because she's an introvert who doubts herself and cares too much.
Not since 2014.
Though Wanda is still under the "mutant ban" that prevents her from turning up in games, most merchandise, animated series, etc. So the point of the retcon is unclear. It didn't change the shared rights.
Wanda for sure
No, but he'll always have this moment.
It appears to be more out of spite than it actually accomplishing anything.
Fans of Wanda and Pietro should be living in a Golden Age of them getting lots of merchandise, being in cartoons, and video games, and there's hardly anything because of Ike's feud with Fox.
It's too late for Pietro, but if only next time Fox want the rights to some characters for an X-Men or Deadpool movie, Marvel would just trade them for full movie rights to Wanda.
It's one of her worse costumes, but the comics at least abandoned the "lesbian stereotype" hair very quickly.
That cartoon had a very odd portrayal of Wanda.
Wanda spends years of her life suffering, while Carol takes massive amounts of testosterone, beats Tony Stark into a coma, gets Jessica Drew pregnant, and convinces her to lie about an "anonymous sperm donor".
Agree with you, but there was a lot of outcry about Wanda and Pietro no longer being half-Jewish, and that was a thing that was never ever even talked about in the comics, because they found out when they were grown adults, it had no effect on their lives, and it was immediately overshadowed by learning at the same time that their father was the infamous mutant terrorist who'd forced them to fight in his personal army when they were 16.
Making them Gypsies was a mistake, but there'd be a lot more people REEEEEEEEing about Muh Representation if they undid it, and Marvel seldom stands it's ground in the face of that.
>Besides, who gives a fuck what Tumblr thinks?
Whoever colored this pic cares, and Marvel actually published it looking like that. And over the last 4-5 years of comics there are issues where Wanda or Pietro appear at the least to be "very tanned", and others where they just look like every other White person in the comic.
The modern costume was a mistake. She appears to be back in the classic costume in the Marvel Legacy pic.
>Kurt Busiek's Avengers is where she picked up a lot of her modern fans.
It's more controversial to the older fans, because it may have made her important, powerful and given her that costume, but it also went all-in on the unpopular Wanda/Wonderman pairing for 4 years. They ended it in the final year of the run, but the damage was done by then.
>There seemed to be an upsurge of interest in her after Marvel started reprinting the Busiek run in 2012 and reminded people why she used to have fans pre-Bendis. Though that might just be George Pérez's famous fetishistic crush on her.
Are you sure that increase in interest had nothing to do with her being announced as being in the Avengers sequel, or her major role in the AvX event that everyone read, which ended with her saving the world?
A bit of both, I remember picking up the first "Avengers Assemble" trade (from 2011) because I was intrigued by Wanda's pivotal but extremely confusing role in Avengers vs. X-Men.
Normally people seek out a recent run when it comes to a character but with Wanda there was literally nothing between House of M and the second half of Children's Crusade.
Sometimes her brother makes an unannounced visit, and there just isn't time to put more clothes on.
I honestly don't have the problem you do with the Wanda/Wonder Man/Vision triangle. It was something the comics had been teasing literally since Simon was resurrected. Busiek was just the first writer who had the opportunity to do it full-fledged (because before the '90s Wanda was married and couldn't sleep with Simon, and when she was with Simon in the early '90s Vision was white and emotionless). I never got the impression that Simon was supposed to be her true love or anything.
Now Rick Remender's Uncanny Avengers did seem to be under the impression that Simon was her true love, and that I don't get.
Anyone got a larger version of this pic?
Except for a throwaway reference in Robinson's Scarlet Witch series I've never really seen it addressed that people around Wanda tend to be way over-protective of her.
Meanwhile she's so dependent on the Avengers she's barely made any relationships out of them. It's pretty unhealthy even if Avengers Disassembled had never happened.
Wanda needs to smile more.
It's largely going to be "agree to disagree", but for those of us who are big Wanda/Vision fans, there's an unwillingness to see either of them with anyone else, to see the fairytale romance get dragged down into love-triangle plots.
But worse than that, Wonderman kept denying Vision was a person, kept claiming he was "the real Vision". Wanda actually choosing to be with him, even temporarily, was a massive mistake that damaged all of them.
Keep in mind that after almost a decade apart, Wanda and Vision were finally both back to normal and slowly getting back together, and Busiek stopped that, to force Wonderman back into the picture, despite no-one wanting to see that.
Then the same thing happened again when Johns started getting them back together, and as soon as he left, Priest ignored it and started that Wanda/Steve thing in the Captain America & Falcon book.
Being a Wanda/Vision fan is just suffering on top of more suffering.
Busiek gave the most interesting and logical definition of her powers, and set up a fascinating angle in terms of the push/pull with Chthon which alas writers have consistently failed to explore.
The MCU captured this perfectly. Even when you know how powerful she is, know she doesn't need help, there's still this vulnerability to her that brings out a protective instinct.
“Her powers, she’s never had any training, I’m talking about Scarlet Witch. She never had any training; she’s figuring it out. Arguably, you could say that that’s why her powers are much more chaotic and much more loose in the way that we showcased those light effects. In [Doctor Strange], some of what you might see today, even the cover of Entertainment Weekly, it’s much tighter. It’s all about focus. It’s all about pulling energies from other dimensions in an organized and purposeful fashion, which is why they can do a lot more than she can in, at least, a much more precise way.”
>I honestly don't have the problem you do with the Wanda/Wonder Man/Vision triangle. It was something the comics had been teasing literally since Simon was resurrected.
Conway and Shooter very briefly teased the idea, then Shooter killed it, and it was dead for over a decade, replaced by the idea of Vision and Wonderman as brothers, which was better liked.
Then Byrne went back to it, then Roy Thomas killed it, then Gerard Jones ignored him, then Abnett & Lanning kind of ignored him, and also killed Wonderman.
> I never got the impression that Simon was supposed to be her true love or anything.
The first year of the book really pushed that idea that he was, and pushed it hard, the "love stronger than death". And those were the issues when it was a top-10 seller that everyone was reading.
For the next 3 years, it never seems consistent whether they're sticking with that idea, or if she's just settling, and too stubborn to admit it, and too stubborn to fight for Vision if he won't fight for her.
>Now Rick Remender's Uncanny Avengers did seem to be under the impression that Simon was her true love, and that I don't get.
If he stopped reading after Perez left, like a significant number of people did, he could easily have gotten that impression.
Of course, there's also the theory that Brevoort is the one pushing the pairing.
Or that going through the motions of a boring romance with a boring character is being used as a way to try to make Wanda "less weird" and more palatable to casuals.
> Big Jim Shooter supporting /ourguy/.
So could Vision's treatment after Shooter was gone, and how few people even tried to fix the damage Byrne did, have anything to do with how much people in the industry hate Shooter?
The set-up for this was obvious. When Wanda is clearly traumatized from spending months possessed by an Elder God, why would she be flirting with a man she hardly knows, talking about how much she enjoys sex?
Unless Uncanny Avengers gets cancelled next time everything relaunches, the only hope for Wanda to avoid another stupid love-triangle is that she leaves the book, and leaves quickly.
It's been speculated that Byrne wanted to break up Vision and Wanda because Shooter liked Vision, but I think it's more likely that it was a take that to Steve Englehart. Not just breaking up Wanda and Vision but also retconning it so Vision was never the original Human Torch and everything Immortus said in Englehart's Celestial Madonna epic was probably a lie.
Mostly though I think Byrne wanted to get Scarlet Witch and Wonder Man together for the same reason he got Alicia Masters and Johnny Storm together. He believes that beautiful women should only be with conventionally handsome men. It's a weird inversion of the usual nerd fantasy, but Byrne's a weird guy.
I liked the interaction with Voodoo...until that bit. Zub was doing well until then.
Wanda developing a friendship with Voodoo as he helps her (and it's something only he can truly understand) recover from Chthon would be far more interesting than yet more Simonwankery.
I was wondering more about the motives of the writers who followed after Byrne, most of whom seemed unconcerned with fixing the damage Byrne did to Wanda and Vision, or ever getting them back together.
For Byrne himself it seems less like any grudge against Shooter or Englehart, and more like he'd been autistic REEEEEEEEEEEing since he read the end of the Celestial Madonna and saw two women marry an android and a tree.
If the writers didn't really care about Wanda or Vision then they wouldn't necessarily care about fixing the damage Byrne did. Even if you do care about them, unless your story hinges on them being together, the story you've plotted takes precedence over reactionary writing. You've also got to remember that writers started going back on what Byrne did after about 5 years.
Some of that is probably just due to the two Avengers books being almost completely unconnected to each other.
Byrne had been writing both books (and drawing only WCA) and before he quit he'd shifted Vision to the East Coast team. After he quit they had separate writers on both books and mostly separate editors too.
So in the early '90s the Avengers and West Coast Avengers almost never crossed over with each other or even mentioned each other. Vision did make a guest appearance in WCA to fight his dad Ultron but it was strictly a one-off.
"The Crossing" was supposed to reunify the classic Avengers under one roof, but that didn't work and it was cut short by Heroes Reborn anyway.
Wanda has fucked over her friends so many times and is pretty much invincible because MUH feminism so she's not as interesting as a character
Raven doesn't win all her battles and her personality is a lot more relatable
>Not wanting Wanda to be happy with the man she married.
> i wouldn't stick her with the flesh and blood clone vision though.
He's not even flesh and blood, he's energy. He just looks more human. And the idea that they are the same is a retard meme.
the love triangle also shits on Simon who is awesome and underrated as fuck
Not only was it an incredibly shitty thing to do, but it was incredibly out of character for Doom.
Doom would never make a pact for power in exchange for something he cared about unless he knew without a doubt that he could ruse whatever entity offered him that deal and walk away with both the power boost and the cherished thing intact and unharmed.
Doom is a dick, but he's not a monster.
We need more Viv/Wanda mentorship.
It's a shame they never did a Generations with Wanda and Billy in ancient Earth where they meet a being who is studying the mystic arts, and seems increasingly obsessed with gaining knowledge by any means.
The being is revealed to be a young and not yet truly evil
I've had an inkling of a story idea with Viv developing Technomancy and Wanda tutoring her.
While I do dislike Gyppos, my problem isn't even that they exist. it's that they create Balkan characters, draw them like Balkan characters, have them live in Balkan-Like countries and then drop "oh yah, he/she is a gyppo". It's like making the Black Panther a white immigrant from Lithuania or some shit.
>the love triangle also shits on Simon who is awesome and underrated as fuck
And he hasn't been any of those things since 1989. Thank Byrne for that, thank Jones, Busiek, Remender, and Brevoort for refusing to stop. You can probably add Zub to that list soon.
He wasn't back in the 1970s and 1980s when they were together.
Since then we've had a lot of negative portrayals of him, often from writers who are intending for you to dislike him.
At first, they were doing it to make Wonderman look better in comparison, by the time Bendis was doing that, it had just been going on long enough to be self-perpetuating.
I imagine this happened because back then, travel to the Balkan nations would have been very limited, and no-one working at Marvel would ever have seen a Gypsy or have any awareness that they might look any different to anyone else living in that region.
Vision is these days either portrayed as a dick or an emotionless robot.
King humanised him again, but then Waid turned his daughter (a beautifully realized character) into a generic sci-fi robot girl ("compute" ffs).
MCU Vision is closer to what Vision is supposed to be; a being with emotions who explores his humanity.
That's pretty much the gist of it, plus Kirby. The weird thing is, he was inspired to write about the "struggles" of the Balkans due to him being in WWII, but all he did was take a dump on the Balkans themselves and glorify the leeches. Still, it could've been retconned way back then, but alas, it never happened. But like I said, I just pretend they're native Transians/Latverians that just never settled down.
Lizzie had a normal childhood, unlike her sisters.
>Be one of the best artists at drawing Wanda
>Ruin her life when you write her.
Byrne made mistakes.
While she hasn't suffered as badly as Carol Danvers, she's seldom drawn as big as she used to be anymore. This pic might be the only recent exception.
Wanda and Pietro should be around the same age as Spider-Man, Human Torch, and the original X-Men.
Marvel's "sliding timeline" used to work that "now" was always "10 years since Fantastic Four #1". They've since expanded it to over a decade, but none of those characters should be over 30. Yet some of them get written as if they are.
Posting some of the Drawthread/booru Wanda pics.
The others are here: http://the-collection.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=scarlet_witch
Last one for now, most of the others are Evo Wanda, or lewds.
The success of "Wind River" will help Renner's career more than hers but at least it gets them both out of the "once-promising actors stuck in minor Marvel roles" house.
She's still probably secretly disappointed she got the MCU part because it meant she couldn't be considered for Star Wars (they were interested, but Disney already had her lined up for Wanda).
It's not just "these days", it's how it's been since Byrne in the late 1980s.
Harras, Johns and King were the only real exceptions, and King wrote him and his family like robo-autists a lot of the time.
It's sad that generations of Wanda fans have been conditioned to dislike Vision because of this.
>conditioned to dislike Vision
i didn't like vision before byrne got his grubs on him. he was just a wangsty dick and would go cold on wanda because 'AM NOT HUMAN!!?!?' also a huge asshole to jocasta because.
If he'd spent more time on it, Bendis could have maybe done something with Vision being all hurt and angry with Wanda because for him it was like it happened yesterday, but for everyone else, it was years ago and no-one else cares anymore, they've all moved on and forgiven everything.
He could have made Vision not being in possession of all the facts of what happened be a plot point, rather than it being Bendis just ignoring Children's Crusade.
Instead he just does this one issue, and that's all he had any interest in doing, and we have Vision get over it twice only to go back to being angry at Wanda again twice more, because nobody at Marvel even cares about continuity or consistency.
>She's still probably secretly disappointed she got the MCU part because it meant she couldn't be considered for Star Wars (they were interested, but Disney already had her lined up for Wanda).
While Star Wars might have gotten her more fame and money, if she saw TFA, she might be happier to have her MCU role instead.
Also, look at how troubled the Star Wars franchise has become recently.
Wanda is sort of a Jedi, and is a more complex character than Rey. Olsen looked very happy watching that D23 trailer.
The MCU has the potential to do Wanda justice in ways the comics never did.