The Second Dark Age of Cartoons

Didn't you make this same thread last night?

>>94527703
oh look its this thread again

wow I sure do love to listen to dilettantes try and figure out how to say 'cartoons aren't as good as i remember them' for 10 minutes.

>WHY CANT TODAYS CARTOONS BE LIKE THE ONES I LIKED AS A KID

Quit shilling your YouTube channel

>>94527886
>>94527810
Can we put aside the "muh nostalgiafags" meme for a while and legitimately recognize that decent cartoons and variety in airing have dropped significantly over time. Of course there's always been bad cartoons but overall there are just less good cartoons airing.

>>94527703
Worst part is they idolize cartoons from the 2000s. As a 90s kid, I say cartoons had already started going to shit by then.

>>94527940
And that's what all nostalgiafags say.
>BACK IN MUH DAY WE HAD DEH BEST CAHRTOONS NOW EEEVERYTHING SUKS

>>94527955
The 2000s were not bad they were good ulike the 2010s with shows like Teen Titans Go ad Breadwinners

>>94527955
And cartoons are still shit today

you idiots posting in the thread realize op just wants views for his YT channel

>>94527940
No. The guy in the video used like Ben 10 and Teen Titans as examples of "good cartoons". Obvious case of nostalgia.

>>94527979
Teen Titans is the 3rd-best cartoon ever made.

Ben 10 is shit though, agreed.

>>94528098
There's no cure for bad taste.

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>>94527703
>I'm about to turn 20, and-

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>>94528098

>>94527963
No, we had shit cartoons back then:

Doug
Recess
We wuz Hill Kangz

>>94527963
Dude, I've been discovering 2000s cartoons that I'd never heard of for a few years now. It's not a nostalgia meme, they're simply the peak that the Western animation industry reached.

Cartoons suck ass today because they're cheap to make and they're put there to waste slot time. No one puts effort because what's the point when you can shit out 10 Calarts turds with flash?

Yeah, it's been that way for a decade now.

>>94528269
I'm not even laughing anymore, this is just sad.

>>94528422
>he still thinks flash is a tool used in modern animation
Stupid flipphone posters

go watch anime, my men.

>>94528770
>>>/a/

>>94527963

You weren't even alive in the 90s, were you?

>>94527703
>>94527901
Remeber anons, /g/ created hooktube for a reason

>>94528269
Oh my fuck dude. If bait, nice

Billy Dilley and Magiswords are at least attempting to break out of the Flapjack aesthetic.

The internet and specifically tumblr and deviantart has ruined the community of professional animators. Most are truly awful people and have a completely different sense of humor and design philosophy than the animators of the 90's to the early 00's.

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>>94527703
>Mighty Magiswords

>>94528994

That show is garbage that looks like it was made by a kid with ADHD

>>94529017
Not really, the only problem it has its that the pacing is on cocaine

>>94528993
The whole community has become an inbred mess, everyone is aping eachother's style and they never learn how to draw anything different so nearly every show looks the same with minor differences.

We desperately need a new cartoon anthology series. Cartoonstitute could have saved us but the recession killed that off.

>>94528157

That's when I stopped watching. He grew up with 2000s garbage and doesn't know what good cartoons actually are.

>>94528232
>Recess
>Bad
Shit opinion

>>94529046
Pacing slowed down in the new episodes.

>>94528232
Doug wasn't great but it paved the way for better cartoons to follow (like Pepper Ann and Hey Arnold)

Recess was genuinely good

King of the Hill is really REALLY good.

>>94529065
There were many good shows airing at that time like Fillmore Avatar Justic eleague FOP Spongebob Courage Ed Edd n Eddy Danny Phantom Flapjack Chowder and many more unlike now ehere you get crappy shows like PPG TTG Ben 10 and SU

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even if you hate SU and/or GF, its kind of embarrassing that this guy went to the trouble to make this video, and then is just like "oh there's shows people say are good? never seen them, might check them out lol"

>>94529131
He's probably retarded enough to like SU.

>>94527955
High Five, my 90s bro. As far as I'm concerned, the dark times arrived with Rocket Power and Catdog, and didn't start to wane until Avatar came around.

>>94529131
take that together with the vague ass points he makes, and its almost as if he doesnt actually give a shit about cartoons and is just making a halfassed attempt to cash in on a popular bitching topic for views

The elephant in the room is that people who frequent cartoon forums tend not to agree with this, so the discussion is never made. People who still go to /co/ or cartoon reddits or whatever go there because they still think cartoons are at least good enough to keep discussing.

The 80% of people who either grew out of cartoons or grew into anime/older cartoons leave the modern fandom because all they talk about are SU and Star Vs and whatnot. So the echochamber continues and the studios assume we all want more of the same flapjack style millenial ironic/oh so random humor.

>>94528839
still better than your shit.

>>94527703

Cartoons have always been like this prick, the problem is that there is no variety, the quantity of shows produced are less and less each year.

>>94529206
/a/ has its own problems with inbreeding, but luckily it has more skillful people in the field, a larger more dedicated fanbase and companies are willing to take risks, for every couple of shitty harem or LN adaptation we get something experiemental or different.

I miss Kanada block shading and 80's character designs though...

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>>94529206

Why because cartoon girls like this are ugly and can't be moe waifus? give me a break Japanophile.

>>94529232
TV Cartoons have been like this for a long time, but we did go through a small golden age in the 90's/early 00's.

I would argue the limited animation of the 60's and 70's building off the UPA/Walter Lantz aesthetic was still more visually appealing and timeless though. Stuff like Rocky and Bullwinkle and the Flintstones has way more universal appeal than TTG or SU.

>>94529198

Cartoons are as good as they ever had been, is just that there is so few of them, The problem is that discussing cartoons on IB there will be always tons of people hating on them due to Anime, which is fucking stupid since cartoons and Anime are completely different things.

cartoons are supposed to be ugly, kiddy, comedic, etc. Anime is supposed to be cinematic, realistic and erotic as if it was a tv series but instead of using humans uses Animation.

When an anime is made in to a movie they can easily use people, When you make a liveaction-cartoon hybrid they are so alien they usually have to come from some magic portal or whatever.

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>>94529263
/co/ girls and /a/ girls can be cute.

>>94529317
>early 00's.
>golden age
stopped reading there.

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>>94529356
>/co/ girls can be cute
>Picks the worst possible examples

>>94529017

>ADHD

Yes and?

Did you even watched Roger Rabbit movie? cartoons are extremely insane, they are nothing like anime, just look how anime is so realistic and overly sexual, completely different.

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>>94529406

I said they were ugly though, and there is nothing wrong with that.

>>94527703
There are good cartoons being made. They just are being made by Netflix, Hulu, and not on traditional cable.

Kids today aren't getting them from here. Get with the times, grandpa.

>>94527940
there are PLENTY of good cartoons airing, they just dont get noteriety because people dont care about whats not popular. i could easily name 10 good shows that are currently ongoing or recently finished. and dont get me started on pilots and movies. i would go on for hours.

>>94529325
You are just wrong, cartoons now have decreased in effort drastically in the animation department and the inbred design aesthetics of the 10's is ever present.

I'll agree with you on this point, western animation tends to be kinetic, frantic and surreal. The best western animation is usually utilizing the more flexible ideals in wacky and interesting ways (golden age Looney Tunes, Tom and Jerry, Ed Edd n Eddy, Cow and Chicken, Johnny Bravo etc).

Anime on the other hand is born from cost cutting measures. Typically they shun dynamic movement for beautiful individual shots (see 70's Dezaki for the introduction of this) and spurts of fluid animation that can be afforded due to frame modulation. Character designs tend to be more rigid and unflexible.

That isn't to say that each can't do the other well, Samurai Jack brought the more cinematic angle of anime into a minimalist artstyle, creating something visually unique. Likewise FLCL and to a lesser extent Urusei Yatsura or Golden Boy have taken notes from western animation and placed effort on specific facial animation and artstyle shifts for comedic effect, while still maintaining anime-like frame modulation and production value.

Ironically anime is becoming more and more dynamic because of CG and digital coloration, and modern cartoons are getting more and more rigid and consistent looking because of the studio systems and budget cuts.

>>94529445
>Picks two cute girls
WHAT ARE TRYING TO SAY?

>>94528269
The 2000's. When every network made lazy flash toons.

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>>94529359
You don't realize how low the bar is for western TV animation do you?

>>94529406
I don't like modern toon art like your pic. How about pic related?

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>>94529545

That cartoon girls are ugly, and that is OK because they are cartoons they aren't overly erotic pin-ups like Anime girls are.

Sexualizing cartoon girls is a mistake, If I was a mod at /co/ I would delete every waifu-related post and every Anime-related post, to take this board to it's former glory.

Cartoons should remain cartoons, and if you don't agree, you never liked them in the first place.

>>94529571
can't be lower than the bar for eastern animation thats for sure. he anime industry is dealing with a plethora of problems at the moment , and one of the biggest hits hasnt been in animation quality, its been on writing. Put it simply , anime writing SUCKS and at the moment, american tv shows are simply better written. i never cared about animation quality to begin with, its the writing i enjoyed, and even now, anime writing simply doesn't live up to my standards

>>94529605
>That cartoon girls are ugly
but that's simply untrue, and I'm a guy who thinks anime are vastly superior to cartoon. There are beautiuful cartoon waifu like Daphne and Velma.

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>>94529418

>comparing magiswords to roger rabbit

>>94529621
The worst of anime is way worse than cartoons, but with so MANY anime coming out every year there are at least three or four shows a year that are WAAAAYYY better than millenial humor that we have now.

It's a cultural barrier too so I can understand it isn't for everyone.

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Reminder that in terms of movement, cartoons from the 10's are closer to anime from the 70's than they are to cartoons from the 90's.

>>94529418
>disgracing Richard Williams's name

>>94529632
Daphne and Velma are products of the 60s and 70s and have been pruded to high heaven since the 90s.

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>>94529605
>Cartoon characters are ugly
Shit opinion m2^3

Anime girlss aren't even that erotic have you seen the same face moeblobs the japs out?

Waifu threads are the natural result of making likable female characters. Just ignore the thread if you don't want to see it. There is an ignore button.

Also who suggested that cartoons shouldn't be cartoons?

>>94529571
>Modern toon art
Shit meme

>Penelope
Shit taste

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>>94529632

>Daphne and Velma

they have some more realistic proportions, still not sexualized at the level of your basic, everyday Anime.

Also, why are you even here in the first place?

>>94529840
comic and Star Vs.

>>94527703
This is pointless as we recently had Lego Batman, Kubo, and Zootopia. Chill the fuck out; earlier this century, we had to put up with Johnny Test, Problem Solverz, and Chicken Little and even then we weren't in that awful animation ghetto.

>>94529825

>Anime girls aren't even that erotic

Just fucking Google "Anime girl" in Images, it is even more balant than fucking hiphop music videos.

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>>94529840
Realistic proportions are more attractive in the first place. And this idea that anime characters are more sexualized is really retarded. There is just more adult anime than kid's anime.

Also stop posting that shit show.

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>>94529825
95% of American cartoons today are flapjack's artstyle with tweaks. This kind of monotony is not conducive to the ideals of western animation (flexibility, wackiness, unique facial animation etc)

Anime does have an inbreeding problem as well, but it isn't AS egregious because it doesn't contradict the design principles of anime (beautiful individual frames, more detailed "realistic" and solid construction of characters).

>doesn't like penelope pitstop
HB girls are cute as fuck, she was always my favorite though. How about pic related for something weirder?

>>94529805

Why so? he would agree with me, Anime is hyper realistic, overly serius, hyper-sexual, cinematic medium that has more in common with actual movies than the world of cartoons.

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>>94529915

I'll post what I want, I like my /co/ girls ugly. AS THEY SHOULD BE. and I will chase down any waifufaggotry and Anime faggotry back to /a/ and or /jp/ that is for sure.

>>94529940
>liking the only Loud worse than Lamp

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>>94529966

You don't Intimidate me, Anime mafioso!

>>94529872
>CG shit as an example of why we arn't in a dark age

>>94529920
doesnt most anime copy he same artstyle as well? in fact most studios literally have TEMPLATES so they can reuse the same character models.

>>94527703
>Uncle Grandpa
>bad

Just from that, I already know the videos are trash without needing see them.

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>>94529920
>Jenny exist
>Picking Crust
Just stop.
>Flapjack artstyle
Objectively wrong

>>94529940
>Likes ugly girls
>Picks cute girl

>>94530014
Yes, I do. /a/ is strong and has preserved better than most. We're king of this jungle brace loser.

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>>94530061

Because Anime characters aren't cartoons, they represent people, most anime characters from different anime could fit into each other's "universe", when are you going to understand that Anime in Japan is kind of a big deal? they use characters as if they were actors rather than Images or symbols. As an ideal visual representation of their reality.

She is not as Ugly as Iris but she is still one of my best girls to post. I am getting interested in M. Magiswors o I may get a new one.

>>94530118

Well then I'll do my own Imageboard with no Anime, I'll call it EPCOT the Imageboard of of tomorrow.

>>94530061
Anime is super iterative, it's been copying itself for so long that it is hard to pinpoint an origin for modern design principles.

Many character designers are passed around from show to show, especially the super popular moe shows.

I'm not the biggest fan of 10's anime artstyle either (80's was the best) but, like I said, it isn't damaging to the design philosophy of anime, and there are SO MANY new shows every year, there is always something different to look at.

>>94530071
Just look at that gif, look at their expressions, THIS is what we've been reduced to in post recession cartooning...

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>>94530132
Jesus you're retarded beyond belief. Cartoon characters represent people too, and in no different capacity than anime. And no, they don't use anime characters as actors, you're just culturally illiterate.

>>94530168
Image boards without anime die. Anime is the blood of image boards. Even popular boards around other subjects still rally around anime mascots

>>94527703
>Steven Universe
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>94530189
I mean, Tezuka did use recurring
character designs as "actors" (complete with estimations of what their salaries would be) and most anime is just paraphrasing Tezuka.

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>>94530189
Look at how rigid and uncartoony that laugh is...

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>>94527703
>muh children's cartoons

>>94530199

well what else is out there for cartoons? when WWOEC died I had no Internet home anymore, except for deviantart maybe.

>>94530189

>durh, cartoons and anime are the same, hur

You are in a thread that states Anime is superior to cartoons yet you claim they are the same? get those eyes checked buddy.

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>>94530132
>Because anime characters aren't cartoons

You're conflating genres and mediums buddy. Panty and Stocking, One Punch Man, and Ninja Slayer are definite examples of cartoony anime, while somewestern "Cartoons" such such as Archer or The Boondocks (though the latter is to a lesser extent) that could be portrayed easily in live action. Not all anime are the same. Just keep that that in mind.

>>94530285
Where do you think we are?

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>>94530285
>>94530319

>>94530189

Despite the Calarts meme, most cartoons are very different from each other and putting characters from different shows together makes them clash visually, this wont happen in Anime except for some "outlier" shows like Panty and Stocking.

>>94530232

And Kyoto Animation are the "Dan Schneider" of Anime.

>>94530020
>not liking CG shit
>implying Zootopia would have been better 2D
>implying Kubo is CG
I'm not angry, just disappointed.

>>94528232
>talking shit about King of the Hill
That's it, I'm done with this shit board and its awful taste.
See ya, losers. I'm going back to /asp/.

>>94530406
Where did I mention Kubo?
>liking CG shit

Yup it's a modern cartoon fan

>>94530314

One Punch Man is clearly a comedic parody, not all comedies are cartoons.

Ninja Slayer is extremely stylized but still is based on realism to work ( think movies like sim city or sucker punch)

And Panty and Stoking was trying to Emulate cartoons so there is that.

>>94530440
>>94530380
You need to lurk more.

>>94530438
What's wrong with CG? What's right with stop motion?

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>>94530287
Stop being retarded. Just because a thread says something doesn't make it true.

Anime are different
Cartoons are different

Some cartoons are similar to some anime
Some anime are similar to some cartoons

Cartoon characters aren't ugly, you just have shit taste.

>>94527810
Why not? You already browse /co/.

>>94530380
Yes they are different, that doesn't mean they clash. This is why crossovers and cameos are more common in cartoons. Also if you think Panty and Stocking is an outlier you need to expand your knowledge of anime.

>>94530468
CG is an assemblyline factory setting and is a technological barrier to entry for creator driven content and flexibility/unique facial expressions in character animation.

The best thing to happen to CG in years was Hotel Transylvania because Genndy pushed for serious R and D for mimicking traditional era tricks.

>>94529558
Late 2000s, maybe. But I'm not talking about Flash toons at all.

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>>94529605
>That cartoon girls are ugly, and that is OK because they are cartoons they aren't overly erotic pin-ups like Anime girls are.
Care to reconsider your shitty opinion?

>>94530763

They only look kind of sexualized because they were trying to emulate Anime. Most of the shit that happened in Teen Titans visually speaking, was pulled straight out of Full metal Alchemist.

>>94530831
Anime uses the best animation style. There isn't much Western cartoons can do about that but copy it. But that doesn't change the facts.

>>94530831
But anime isn't sexualized, it's moe. It's a big difference

>Hates all modern cartoons
>Yet Diamond Bolt praises shows like Steven Universe Gravity Falls Generator Rex Korra Sym Bionic Titan Transformers Prime and Young Justice

>>94530894
>praises Generator Rex
So, what you're saying is that it's safe to discard his opinion.

>>94530894
What fucking shit taste, only one of those is good.

>>94530763
They all look like they came out of a How to Draw Manga book. Fuck off 2000's kid.

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>>94530848

The facts that cartoon girls can only stop being ugly little shits by being bootleg Anime?

>>94527703
this video in a nutshell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pa6SGYWADU

>>94527703
sure buddy. enjoy complaining about modern cartoons while i enjoy the ones i like.
Glad you got everybody here triggered for an hour or two until they move to something else

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>>94531158
>pinko commie weeboo detected

kill yourself

>>94530440

Wow, I meant SIN city. wtf

>>94531194
Those are mediocre and forgettable like the watered down kiddie drek CN was putting out with shows like Camp Lazlo Squirrel Boy and My Gym Partner's A Monkey

>>94531292
>My Gym Partner's A Monkey
That show was patrician

>>94531292
That era never ended.

>>94527703
Where is this meme coming from? Cartoons nowadays are much better than they were decades ago. Despite their respective flaws, Adult Swim and Netflix are really going out of their way to save modern cartoons by giving the creators free reign to do what ever they want in their shows.

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>>94527940

Things change.

>>94527703
Teen Titans Go is good you faggots

If it wasn't being milked to death and wasn't about the teen Titans most of you would actually like it and recognize it as one of the more comedically creative shows to come out in recent years

>>94532231

>Teen Titans Go is good you faggots

No. No, it is not.

>>94530890
>anime isn't sexualized

Sure, and Megan Fox will win an oscar too.

>>94532112
Such shitty taste. Cartoons are better now than say, 9 years ago, but not 20.

>>94527703
Steven Universe isn't that good.

>>94530568
And here I was thinking that HT was jerky animation as a visual gimmick comedy style, cutting corners Madagascar style.

I appreciate 2D. I love it, but often times CG looks better. The fact that it's cheaper to make is a bonus to the studio that's barely worth mentioning beyond the increase in content we get.

>>94532466
CG isn't cheaper to make and it doesn't look better.

>>94531158
>her cartoon boobs are grey little letter c's
John K was right!

>>94532501
John K is like 70% correct, but fails to take his own advice.

>>94532489
>often times
Opinions aside, I thought it was generally accepted as cheaper. You even said it was assembly line and implied they can reuse resources.

>>94532447
Lets face facts: Nobody wants to pay $200 for cable just to watch cartoons on television nowadays. It's much convenient to get what you need online.

>>94532264
Give me one solid reason it isn't a good cartoon. You cannot say it's overplayed, or that it's a bastardization of teen Titans as a reason either.

>>94532535
Assembly line doesn't mean cheaper, it just means there is no room for individual flair in a movement or model.

>>94532586
Streaming is the way of the future, doesn't change facts that cartoons today arn't very good (in general).

>>94532606
Unlikable characters, humor that dates itself immediately, constant yelling, bad character designs

It's underrated but not good.

>>94532688
>Unlikable characters
Hello mrEnter
>Humor that dates itself immediately
What do you mean by this?

Teen Titans wasnt good, it was mediocre and forgettable, like The Loud House

>>94532770
I agree the only reason it's cosidered good is that the fanbase is made mostly of pedos wanting to fuck underage girls

>>94532737
I mean genuinely unlikable, as in grating, as in I don't want them in front of me.

Le Twerk waffles XD

>>94532606
the art style is gross
the writing isn't very funny for a show that is trying to be funny
there is a tremendous amount of yelling for no reason
everyone on the show talks like a retard except for raven (not showing favoritism, just she's usually the straight man for the idiocy of the others)

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>>94532737
>Not liking characters who are constantly fucking unfunny cunts who have never done anything even mildly entertaining makes you an enterbot
This is shittiest non-argument I've ever heard.

>>94532770
>>94532801
[Pic Related]

>>94532871
Loud House is shit

>>94532662
>individual flair
Is that industry jargon for "off model"?

>>94532918
Go watch live action if you want rigid and consistent visuals?

>>94532951
Your opinion is shit and you should feel like shit

>>94533033
Why even watch animation?

You're the audience for cheap canadian flash schlock huh

>>94532951
Why are you like this? CG, 2D, live action, stop motion, they all work/don't work given the circumstances and execution of the subject matter.

>>94533061
No, but Last Airbender was assembly line animation and it managed to not look like hot garbage and stay on model.

>>94533064
Because the artform I love is stifled behind a sea of generic sameface crap. CG isn't impressive to me, flash is like CG but flat, traditional animation almost all has the flapjack/calarts sameface, and the writers are trying WAAAAAY too hard to appeal to children instead of making things they genuinely think are funny. There are a few decent shows but it's always despite something and most are trash.

>>94533103
Exception, it was anime inspired. Unless you think Avatar's aesthetics apply to most other American cartoons, thats a moot point.

>>94533195
I don't think I can convince you anything is good because you'll find something to distract you from enjoyment. You're on a crusade against a medium. I hope you find what you're looking for.

>>94531158
nobody got the joke because nobody watched ninja slayer sad

>>94533660
Plenty of things are good.

>>94533743
That's good! Please let me know what you like.

>>94527703
All edginess aside we probably ARE going through a dark phase.

But not everything is shit.

>>94533776
Currently running, Clarence is good despite my issues with the MC, and Uncle Grandpa was funny enough.

Rick and Morty shows an upward trend on cartoon budgets and I have hopes hasbro will open the floodgates for 2D when barney prints money.

Other than that, anime is going alright, and there are a lot of shows for decades for me to explore while I wait this trend out.

>>94533891
>liking Uncle Grandpa
>having problems with Clarence as an MC
How does that happen? And it's interesting that the person I've seen hate CG the most is also the only person I've communicated with who likes Uncle Grandpa. Is that because the show utilizes the medium is ways most shows stray from? Do you like Gumball?

>>94528232
Here's your (You)

>>94533953
Uncle Grandpa is creative and funny, clever gags. The characters arn't great.

Clarence makes me uncomfortable, like i'm watching a special needs kid, the actual show is awesome though and I can look past it.

Gumball is good in theory but they don't go far enough for me in the multi use of the medium, it had a slow start too I think it got better as it went on.

>>94534039
I guess I need to give UG more of a chance. Thanks for explaining!

Clarence is a special needs kid as Uncle Grandpa is a special needs adult in my book, but yeah I can see where you're coming from.

And yeah, early Gumball isn't as good as current Gumball.

>>94532810
No I mean the humor that dates itself

>>94529502
That and most of the "Good" cartoons have gone mainstream, thus /co/ hates them. Either because "Reddit", "Political agenda", or our constant thread spamming.

>>94530938
I already told you, stop using that idiotic term, it's virtually meaningless. It's simply the most visually appealing type of character design.

>>94532801
>TEEN Titans
Something's not right here... unless you live in the US, I guess.

>>94534807

So you are saying everything would be better if it looked like Anime? then they would not be cartoons, I like my cartoon girls ugly.

>>94535285
>I like my cartoon girls ugly.
u w0t m8

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>waaah waaah how come shows targeted towards kids dont appeal to me today as an adult waah waah bring back all the stuff as a kid those were objectively better because i dont like whats currently airing because im a retard who loves to pick and choose the bad shows and forget about the good ones we're in a dark age of cartoons

Fuck off.