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Has any writer ever considered the political and social implications

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Has any writer ever considered the political and social implications of Superman growing up in small town Kansas? His entire early life would be surrounded by far right political leanings and ideas. How nationalistic would Supes be after growing up in such an environment? How would he feel about foreigners or minorities after growing up in the boonies? Would he make his home in a city people he grew up around often called "Jewtropolis" in his childhood? Upbringing is important in realizing what your identity will be.
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>>94511904
fuck off retard
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So Lex just shitposts here unironically now?
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>>94511952
I've always been here.
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>>94511904
Normal, reasonable people exist even in hick-towns. Jonathan and Martha are meant to be really good people. They're not going to be racist or nationalistic or anything like that.
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>>94511904
>a pleasant small town in Kansas
>far right political leanings and ideas
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I mean I guess you could say that a lot of people around him had probably a lot of traditional values growing up but I'm pretty sure if you want to explore his upbringing more someone could point you to some runs that touch on it. I doubt old people from Kansas call Metropolis Jewtropolis, conservative farmers are not /pol/
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Fuck off, Azzarello.
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>>94512031
Azzarello is unironically good though.
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>>94512047
For Tomorrow was trash.
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>>94512047
Go away, Brian.
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>>94512047
For Tomorrow < Shit
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Well superman was the idea of a perfect person (personality speaking) that while no one can be should nevertheless try to. He is a borderline god but still feel the need to help people and such. I think at the time comics (like most things) weren't fucking political but was made for entertainment. He grew up the idealistic imagine of a perfect America where it was wholesome baseball games and apple pie on the window. I don't think at the time the writers and such gave a fuck about what people actually think or act at that location as he was meant to be the perfect hero in a perfect little world with the perfect upbringing.

With DC trying to go all grim dark with their shit as much as possible I'm honestly surprise they never brought this idea up. Like you bring up a good point OP but I'm just saying at the time of creation Superman location of origin didn't really meant to matter.
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>>94511904
>His entire early life would be surrounded by far right political leanings and ideas.
Fuck off, Lex. Supes isn't that loser Clark Kent
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>>94511904
Shit son I grew up in a tiny Town in the mountains of North Carolina and I'm SJW as fuck. So are a lot of people I know. Cities are the true breeding grounds of bigotry.
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>>94512047
He's a great writer but he has no understanding of absolutely any DC character.

His creator owned work is excellent.

He reminds me of King in that he's really great at writing but just doesn't get these characters at all or has bizarrely skewed ideas of them.
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>>94511904

I get where you're coming from OP but if anything supes would be brought up to be middle right like most of america. Ultimately he altruistic because he knows he can afford to be, and his parents raised him to look for the good in everyone and be positive. I don't think superman would be anti gay or trans but he might be anti PC police and maybe even not a modern feminist but still expect men to be gentlemanly around women.
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>>94512208
>Well superman was the idea of a perfect person (personality speaking) that while no one can be should nevertheless try to.
Found the "intellectual" that thinks that the traits of the classical hero somehow started with Superman, and that Superman started off that way
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>>94512294
Do a story time.
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>>94511904
Yes, I'm sure his parents who unquestioningly loved and raised someone else's child(and an alien no less) would instill xenophobia and jingoism into him.
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>>94511904
So this is the power of summerposting
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>>94511941
fpbp
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>>94511904
You're about as analytical and insightful as the people who say "Uhhh shouldn't Captain America be racist and sexist?" and by that I mean you aren't insightful at all, you've completely glossed over a very obvious part of Superman, and that's that he is a GOOD PERSON.
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>>94512358
How about, rather than I do that, you look up J. Wilbur Wolfingham and read some Golden Age Superman comics after?
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>>94511904
Superman's adoptive parents are depicted as very forgiving and moral people. Salt of the earth types. I think that's taken into account with superman being a boyscout type character. I think he'd be uncomfortable around gay people but accepting, wouldn't understand how to deal with racial issues, and would stand for life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

I think there's more fertile ground in trying to understand what drives lex luthor. I don't think he's been depicted in a psychologically accurate manner. He's a man who seeks to destroy god.
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Remember when Superman wanted us to slap a Jap?
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>>94512208
>He grew up the idealistic imagine of a perfect America where it was wholesome baseball games and apple pie on the window.
He originally was picked up by a lone Motorcyclist and raised in an Orphanage

The whole "grew up in the heartland of America" is due to writers specifically wanting Superman to take in the most distilled for of American Morality

I bet you think the Golden Age Superman is weaker than Silver Age Superman, like all the Superman "fans" on YouTube
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>>94512604
Not op here; I thought that silver age super man was objectively stronger (like canonically) than golden age superman, who couldn't even fly.
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>>94512526
>He's a man who seeks to destroy god
Kek

His greed for power is his defining trait, that's why his most iconic form is a billionaire despite it being more relatively new to the character
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>>94512230
His Luthor and Dr 13 were great.
His Wondy was great too
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>>94511904
Not all of Kansas is a bunch of redneck hillbillies, goddamn.
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>>94512646
He could fly later

And tank nukes

And he fough equal with Silver Age in their crossovers

For gods sake, it's even in Crisis on Infinite Earth.
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>>94511904
Wasn't Smallville in some different state before the crisis?
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>>94511904
I'm sorry OP but just because she lost doesn't mean flyover states are populated only with nazis
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>>94512526
>He's a man who seeks to destroy god.
No, he's a man who seeks to destroy literally anything that could be not just bigger than him, but even on his level. He's got to be the biggest dog in the room constantly, hes not doing what he does for some philosophical ideal.
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>>94512732
Smallville is wherever the writers want Smallville to be at the time. It was originally located near the east coast outside of Metropolis until they moved it to Middle America, then they moved it to Kansas and the CW tv show assigned a zip code that traces back to Chase, Kansas.
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>>94512031
>>94512075
>>94512144
>>94512173
>>94512230
Fuck off you pussies.
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I say this as someone that's lived in urban areas my entire life; why is this myth that all conservatives are rural still a thing when so many big name conservative politicians are from places like New York City?
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>>94512646
He was Kal L/Superman in COIE

The one with the gray temples that destroyed the Anti-Moniter's head
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>>94512755
Or
>I'm sorry OP but just because he won doesn't mean flyover states are populated only with pedes
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>>94512796
It lets people pretend they are backwards hicks
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>>94512775
>Fuck off you pussiess
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Superman was created at a time in history when people were still sane, and it was possible to be patriotic and nationalist without people assuming you were a Nazi. As such, he didn't have any political leanings that were particularly odd by the standards of his time, if anything he was a little liberal with his talk of accepting all Americans regardless of creed or color.

The problem is that the Overton Window has shifted. Someone who was barely a conservative in 1955 would be a diehard reactionary by modern standards. Someone who was just fine with the status quo of post-WW2 Metropolis would likely recoil in horror at much of the shit that goes on in modern day New York or Washington DC.

This is usually not addressed in the comics, but interestingly enough it IS subtly addressed in most animated versions of Superman or Justice League. And the way its addressed is that, barring a few odd exceptions, people are way more conservative in most capeshit shows then they are in real life.

Think about it, Young Justice, Justice League, Justice League Unlimited, Superman the Animated Series, everyone seems to dress and act way more conservatively then most modern people. The men still wear suits, the women wear knee-length skirts Lois freaking Lane's wardrobe toes the line between a modern woman's apparel and something her grandmother would have worn to work.

In conclusion, much like Captain America, Superman should by all logic be somewhere to the right of Donald Trump, but to keep him having universal appeal his political leanings are generally ignored, rightly or wrongly, in favor of just punching out monsters and being the generically nice guy who occasionally sprouts patriotisms.
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>>94512775
You seems upset
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>>94512459
And also reveals their own ignorance and bias against places and people who aren't them.

I mean its clearly a troll but the guys who really believe this are usually just showing their own biases, you know?
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>>94512771
The problem is that people like that don't actually exist.
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>>94512871
And this is the issue OP was trying to get at, I think. Superman comes from a different era, a different background, and writers all but ignore it. Having Superman make commentary on modern culture is natural for any respectable writer who isn't simply playing it safe.
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>>94512909
There are plenty of people who hate people that are better at something
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>>94512799
That's not REALLY him if we're getting super technical. That's just a depiction of the concept of a golden age superman. The golden age superman was siegel/shuster, and as soon as other people take over we're leaving the golden age
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>>94512909
Bullshit they don't, they're way more common than the grandstanding god complex Luthor that Anon thinks is his defining characteristic. He's not John Atlas, he's Henry Ford.
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>>94511904
He himself is a refugee if you wanna play that card.
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>>94512947
Yes but no one is that singleminded.

Everyone lives by a philosophy and no one lives by the philosophy DESTROY EVERYTHING THAT CHALLENGES ME. Even people who act out that kind of philosophy have justifications they tell themselves
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>>94512871
I think you greatly overstate how far right Golden Age Superman would be, he had no love in his heart for practically any of the alt-right's talking points.
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>>94512981
Henry Ford never created doomsday weapons.
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>>94513006
>alt-right
That's just /pol/ in public
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>>94512459
Being racist doesn't mean you can't be a good person.
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>>94513025
Tell that to the ozone layer
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>>94513046
Depends on your definition of a good person.
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>>94513006
>alt-right
Alt-right is just a neo-nazi without the balls to be honest in public.
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>>94513070
Do you think Henry Ford created cars as part of a personal vendetta against the ozone layer? Or do you think he just wanted to make a thriving business and didn't know shit about global climate trends?
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>>94512953
>That's just a depiction of the concept of a golden age superman.
Except it is.

Just because it's not done by S&S doesn't mean it's not him. That's just a rule the fanon comes up with
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>>94513046
I disagree. And being racist affects your actions and behavior. Superman CANNOT be racist, or else he would be Ultraman or something. A racist with Superman's powers would not be flying around protecting poor people in the city.
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>>94513025
He did make weapons though.
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>>94513108
I think I'm just making lame jokes
>>94513085
Well if they help people out even if they don't think highly of them, does that make the guy a bad person?
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>>94512485
Nah. better storytime it bro.
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>>94513163
If their being racist doesn't affect their behavior or actions in any way, they're pretty shit at being racist.
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>>94513125
We're just getting into semantics here. When I say golden age superman, I mean superman as he is depicted in the golden age. Just like if I was talking about silver age flash, I would indeed be talking about barry allen, but I wouldn't be talking about geoff john's depiction of barry allen
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>>94513162
Doomsday weapons?
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>>94513217
According to the California media
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>>94513163
I'm just saying the term 'good person' has no objective definition. It only means something under the lens of an ideology. If you're a KKK member then you can't be a good person without being a racist, for instance
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>>94513234
Yadda yadda fake news
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>>94513217
World War 1 weapons, so yes.
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>>94513198
Even in the Golden Age, like the poster above Said, he could tank Nukes

He could also fly, after the Radio Show and Fleischer cartoon depicted him doing so

The Golden Age wasn't a stagnant era where Superman was perfectly consistent.
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>>94513192
Bad intentions, good action kinda thing, I guess.
>I'm such as better person than the common niggers I'm going to fund a school for at-risk students for them so I can rub it in their faces about how I'm better
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>>94512208
>I think at the time comics (like most things) weren't fucking political
Anon, comics, like most things, were always political. Christ.
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>>94513426
People who pretend that comics used to be some kind of apolitical safe-zone are ignoring that superheroes are people who fight, with violence, criminals. Superman, in his first issues, fought corrupt government officials and assaulted a man who was abusing his wife. If those things happened today, people would cry about things being too political or """PC"""
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>>94513549
There is a difference between Superman beating a wife beater, and a superhero unironically supporting a political movement and/or a political figure

We call one fighting crime, the other is call propaganda
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>>94512224
Near Boone or Asheville?
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>>94513328
You must have no conception of military history if you think a machine gun is a doomsday device
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>>94511904
He'd probably help Trump build his wall
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>>94513818
I'd go so far as to say there's a difference between "a story tackling social issues that are prominent right now" and "propaganda".
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>>94513359
Silver Age Superman was kind of absurdly powerful though
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>>94513818
Yeah, and Superman was incredibly liberal about workers' rights. He fucking hated corporate interests that hurt the working man, like war profiteers and bosses who mistreated minorities or didn't care about wages and safety standards.
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>>94513876
So what? He fought evenly wit His Silver Age later on. Golden Age Superman grew in power during time. He didn't stay as powerful in the beginning as he did at the end.
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>>94513872
Most "Social Issues" today are illegal shit.

Unequal Gender Pay? Illegal Immigration? Racial Inequality?

All illegal. Most people advocating against it tend to ignore the fact that it's already frowned upon by the law.

So it's still "fighting crime"
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>>94512714
I remember him getting punched in the nose and being all
>I can bleed!
Whereas our Kal was fine
He did go rage mode against Anti Monitor though
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I don't think you really see any conservative writers in the comic book industry period I mean have you seen marvel?
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>>94514081
>He did go rage mode against Anti Monitor though
He pushed Silver Age out of the way to deliver the final blow to its severed head

The guy was glorious
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>>94514113
There are a lot

Problem is, social media is biased against anything that isn't left leaning, even Classical Liberals

Makes sense you don't hear much about their political views
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>>94512144
Look at this bitch made loser who doesn't like 100 Bullets
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>>94513426
Anyone who says everything is political is automatically a gigantic douchebag that shoves politics into everything they talk about. Go back to the sesspool you came from
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>>94511904
>far right political leanings

You realize that even in the pre-civil rights years, there were only a few pockets of "far right" political leanings anywhere in the country.

FDR was a socialist a president that this country will ever come to elect and he was BELOVED, son. EVERYWHERE.

This is from the University of Kansas itself:

"Advances in technology, including the use of radio and television for news and entertainment, forced Americans to think more about the country's role in global affairs. The 1940s was a decade that transformed the lives of millions and set the tone for future social, political and economic reforms in the U.S."

Kansas entered the union as a 'free state.' It was mostly Protestant (although today and if you bought that the capsule fell in say the 1970s or even 80s, it's largely but not predominantly Roman Catholic). It has voted mostly Republican for president since FDR (pre Action #1), but had numerous Democrats as governors, senators, congressmen, etc. Immigrants from Russia, Scandinavia and Germany formed a large core of beliefs post the territories and pre-1930s days, onward to the days in questions, and while definitely 'conservative' in their beliefs they weren't exactly "far right." They were not racists, even though (to this day) Kansas is 90+ white and the Native Indians and the Indians originally relocated to the territory were driven off (as they were all lands in the westward expansion from the East Coast). After the civil war, tens of thousands of freed slaves moved to the state (although the majority population remained white). And to this day, the population uniformly knowns only one language, English. The Republicans pre-FDR had a progressive wing.
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>>94512075
>For Tomorrow was trash.

It wasn't as bad as Grounded but it was crap.

And his Luthor mini is over-rated.
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>>94512230
>He reminds me of King in that he's really great at writing but just doesn't get these characters at all or has bizarrely skewed ideas of them.

I'm not really sure how you can say that against any of King's characters but his Batman. His Dick, Vision, and Kyle were all great.
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>>94512697

No.
Don't no it.
And also no.
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>>94511904

>everybody who is right leaning is some meme spouter from /pol/

Get off the internet for awhile OP
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>>94512224

>I'm SJW as fuck.

So you are cancer
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>>94516848
And I think you need to get back to >>/pol/ where your irrational hatred is welcome! You vile pukes don't belong on /co/ or on 4chan at all! LGBTQ people and Muslim people are literally killing themselves and being murdered in the streets thanks to the disgusting american right. So do the world a favor and kill yourself like your hero Hitler.
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>>94517315
>LGBTQ people and Muslim people are literally killing themselves and being murdered in the streets thanks to the disgusting american right.

Are you a idiot or only a troll?
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>>94512998
Lex Luthor has many justifications. One being "looking out for humanity", another being "Superman will coddle you."
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Why isn't Clark a christian? Why does he exclaim "great Rao" or something?
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>>94517811
That's just a fa├žade Lex uses to garner people to his side and overlook the terrible shit he's done.

The only ones who even remotely treat those ideas seriously were the Guardians of The Universe during the Bronze Age, who planted on Superman's head that he's likely making them dependent on him
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>>94517844
Silver Age, Kryptonian Religion
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>>94512775
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>>94518016
Yea, but krypton was destroyed. I doubt the Kents found a kryptonian church.
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>>94517410
It is a blatant troll.
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>>94518114
Silver Age Superman identified much stronger with his kryptonian roots than he does now. He considered himself responsible for carrying on the culture, including Rao.
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>>94516223
His Luthor mini pretty much defined the modern character along with the DCAU.
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>>94517993
Lex is ultimately a failed ubermensch. He's the kind of guy who read a bunch of Nietzsche but ultimately failed to grasp the true implications and meanings of the philosophy. On a conceptual level he's far closer to the Last Man in reaction to the true ubermensch.
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>>94518114
Originally there were no Kents, so Supes didn't really have a strong human connection. Superman was the "real" person while Clark Kent was the mask. Bryne switched all that, made him identify more strongly with humanity, weakened his identification with Krypton.
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Only a moron thinks the average person from Kansas is to the far right. Far right of who? Stalin? So was Gandhi.
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>>94514062
>Unequal Gender Pay

It's not technically against the law to pay a female engineer at Google less (or more) than a male engineer. It would only be illegal if you hired say a male secretary at a staff position known as "Administrative Assistant II" at $28K at Oracle in one department and then hired a female secretary at another staff position ALSO known as "Administrative Assistant II" for $24K at a different department. However, Oracle can (and companies often do) state that different departments have different needs even for the 'same' position.

It would have to be very systemic (meaning hundreds of female employees in one category compared to a large, comparable pool of male employees in the same or a reasonably similar category). That's rare and often goes unproven (recent perfect examples are store managers at retail outlets across the country).

Racial inequality is a question of proof, that it happens is unquestioned. That it is challenged, and that the challenge is successful is also, equally not something that happens.
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>>94518579
Before there were Kents, Superman's Kryptonian heritage was an afterthought. Him being so strongly alien was later.
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>>94517315
>LGBTQ people are literally killing themselves
>Muslim people are being murdered in the streets

>thanks to the disgusting american right.

Anon, they're perfectly capable of keeping on doing that to themselves without the help of Americans or Right-Wingers.
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>>94516261
>>He reminds me of King in that he's really great at writing but just doesn't get these characters at all or has bizarrely skewed ideas of them.

>I'm not really sure how you can say that against any of King's characters but his Batman. His Dick, Vision, and Kyle were all great.

His Vision didn't really read like any previous version of the character. At first it seemed like maybe this was a result of the changes Waid had made to him in the Avengers book, but then there was the flashback issue, where King wrote him like he was always like that.
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>>94513887
This can't be overstated, his first appearance starts with him kidnapping the governor so an innocent man doesn't get executed and by the end of it he's done another kidnapping because of corrupt politicians and is basically inventing Batman's BOY IT WOULD SUCK IF I DROPPED YOU schtick
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>>94513372
>white supremacist superhero keeps ghettos safe
>he saves pedestrians from violence while spouting racist shit, leaving them in completely awkward states of mind
Would read
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>>94518573
It's a common theme in the Superman Stories for Superman to ultimately feel disappointed with Lex, because he could have done so much good, and instead wastes it all on trying to kill Superman and become powerful
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>>94518114
The Kents died when Clark was young

Clark carried on the Kryptonian tradition years later
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>>94512224
Get the fuck off my board
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>>94511904
>His entire early life would be surrounded by far right political leanings and ideas.

Probably not, no.
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>>94513043
>>94513088

The Alt-Right isn't real. I you think /pol/ is alt-right you're a retard.
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>>94511979
Kansas is and always has been a right winged red state

The Kents would members of the NRA and attend Klan meetings.
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He probably would have been pretty redneck and nationalist in his childhood, but once his powers kicked in and he could literally hear and see everyone on earth, he'd realize that everyone's more similar then they are different and his outlook would mature very quickly
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>you will never see Superman snapping Obama's neck and having "nigger" as a one-liner
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>>94511904
>Jewtropolis
top kek
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