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Zack Snyder clearly lost his fucking mind when he made this. How do you make THIS out of the simple premise of Batman fighting Superman? When a movie studio tells you to make a blockbuster capeshit film about two men in tights punching each other, how the fuck do you shoehorn in a subplot about some destroyed African village?

I dont understand the rationale behind this movie. It's so off the mark from what it should have been.
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>>94497243
It's pretty much a worst case scenario. Maybe the worst superhero movie ever made. But certainly the one with the most lost potential
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>>94497243
Because he had to make it totally super deep with so many totally deep and subtle deep references that totally make it even more totally deep.
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>>94497329
Not really. A Batman vs Superman film as the basis for their first meeting is the most shallow film premise ever. Its why the motivations in the film seem so contrived.
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>>94497243
>When a movie studio tells you to make a blockbuster capeshit film about two men in tights punching each other
He doesn't look at the material and feel that inherently must be portrayed in a silly child pandering to manner.
>how the fuck do you shoehorn in a subplot about some destroyed African village?
To ask some valid questions about Superman's job and the consequences of his actions good & bad.
The Earth One books also handled such with him deposing a foreign dictator as did For Tomorrow.
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The African subplot was clearly only there to give Amy Adams' character something to do. Every capeshit movie nowadays needs to have the female lead do something besides be a damsel in distress. However this decision is useless because Wonder Fucking Woman is in the movie. Female movie goers want to see her fight, not Amy Adams solve some mundane subplot. Hell, they want to see Batman and Superman punch each other as much as the men do.

It's such a tone deaf film.
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>>94497243
Because it's Snyder. He's good with visuals and making references and that's it
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>>94497557
>He doesn't look at the material and feel that inherently must be portrayed in a silly child pandering to manner.

Oh here we go....
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>>94497615
That is literally what OP was baffled by, that he didn't just treat it in the offensively condescending manner that this...
>When a movie studio tells you to make a blockbuster capeshit film about two men in tights punching each other
describes.
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>>94497806
OP asked for a film that stuck to it's thesis: Batman fighting Superman. The film we got was so off the mark it's not even funny. What should have been a movie about two heroes having a interpersonal conflict became a movie about pseudo-philosophical speeches about God and jars of piss.

Compare that to Captain America: Civil War, a movie that actually stuck to it's premise.
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>>94497806
>>94497557
Don't even start faggot. Arguments are literally a meme because of people like you.
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>people still shitpost about BvS
>meanwhile Wonder Woman was completely forgotten within a month
I don't understand you /co/.
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>>94497972
>What should have been a movie about two heroes having a interpersonal conflict became a movie about pseudo-philosophical speeches about God and jars of piss.
Not even remotely what it was about.
It was about Bruce projecting all his fears and failure onto Superman and Superman dealing with the fact that humanity will never collectively appreciate what he does for them among other things.
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>>94498076
It's more fun to shit on something shitty than praise something good. Simple basic human nature.
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>>94497557
>When a movie studio tells you to make a blockbuster capeshit film about two men in tights punching each other

I doubt Warner Brothers told him that. I suspect HE took the idea to them and they said OK based on whatever he sold them from his Frank Miller fumes.
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>>94497972
>Captain America: Civil War,

This movie was literally "MY PARENTS ARE DEAD" "WE NEED to be UNDER THE THUMB because we are [IRONMAN IS] DANGEROUS" and more BS shit like that going on. The worse thing about it is that Lex's stupid, illogical plot actually works better because Snyder's does accurately portray Bruce's paranoia and pettiness, whereas Civil War's stupid and even more illogical Zemo plot requires so many plot contrivances and coincidences that it ALONE was used to made multiple parody videos on You Tube.
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>>94498095
>It was about Bruce projecting all his fears and failure onto Superman and Superman dealing with the fact that humanity will never collectively appreciate what he does for them among other things.

So a movie not about Batman and Superman having a conflict?
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>>94498217
>Lex's stupid, illogical plot actually works better because Snyder's does accurately portray Bruce's paranoia and pettiness

Nice bait. Almost had me there.
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>>94498217
Why is Lex's plan stupid and illogical?
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don't fall for the bait
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>>94498324

Like the stupidity in Civil War, it also relies on plot contrivances and coincidences:

e.g. Bruce's check's being returned not being reported to anyone who reports it to his version of Lucius;

lead line bomb chamber in wheel chair is impenetrable to everything and anything available to man because of SUPER SCIENCE!;

man who defaces Superman statute, thus having no discernible agenda at all, is cleaned up and provided with a super wheelchair, thus making him an excellent candidate for congressional testimony on African incident;

Pulitzer Prize winning reporters reporting on African incident is discarded for random African female villager who apparently survived a 'massacre' - unlike random rando and lead lined wheelchair graffiti rando;

thus, an actual Pulitzer Prize Winning Reporter is not invited to hearing ....

I could go on but there's similar stuff on Cinema Sins and pretty much any review on line that get's into it: just Google: "batman vs. superman" and "contrivance" and/or "plot device"
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>>94499888
>Bruce's check's being returned not being reported to anyone who reports it to his version of Lucius
Could be just a clerical error, which Lex could then choose to exploit. Minor plot detail.

>lead line bomb chamber in wheel chair is impenetrable to everything and anything available to man because of SUPER SCIENCE!
No, because Lex has incredible influence and power and could just bribe the security guard to let the chair through. Or as a star witness they just decided to let the guy use his new snazzy wheelchair, again, not a major plot hole.

>man who defaces Superman statute, thus having no discernible agenda at all, is cleaned up and provided with a super wheelchair, thus making him an excellent candidate for congressional testimony on African incident
The hearing was about Superman operating around the world and meddling with shit with no political authority, not specifically about Africa. Africa was just something they used as the latest evidence of Superman needing to put under a leash. No-Legs McGee was just the perfect scapegoat for Lex to use since he hated Superman and got publicly arrested for it.

>Pulitzer Prize winning reporters reporting on African incident is discarded for random African female villager who apparently survived a 'massacre' - unlike random rando and lead lined wheelchair graffiti rando;
That's not what happens at all. They don't use Lois because they have an anti-Superman agenda that they are driving, hence using witness that support their stance. A local woman makes for a more compelling witness than a reporter with a clear Superman bias.
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>>94498254
but they do have a conflict, are you dumb? The part about Bruce projecting his fears and failure is part of what creates the conflict. The other part is Superman thinking everything he does has unintended consequences thanks to Lex. It really isnt hard to understand m8.
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>>94499888
>>94500258
>Bruce's check's being returned not being reported to anyone who reports it to his version of Lucius;

they make a point to show that it was reported and archived, but Bruce has been too busying being obsessed with Superman.
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I find it sad that after years of putting off a Batman and Superman film, we got BvS.
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why didn't they just adapt Public Enemies
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