>"VVVVVV" for Vvvvvvalente >dat filename i hope

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>>94463141
best time of the day

>>94463141
I would really prefer if he just had Valente show up before Freddy could do anything to him. Like, why deflate the situation like that at all?

>>94463141
Isn't Valente's power that he turns all magic into fire? Not like Freddy uses much magic.

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>>94463141

Oh fug

>>94463282
cause its funny

>>94463406
Not really? It isn't played as a joke or anything and it's not humorous on its own.

>>94463445
wait are yo responding to the comic or the comment in the OP

>>94463528
The comic.

I said I'd prefer if he (Chico) had Valente show up instead of going "lol im just a hologram!" It isn't funny, it doesn't make Chicadino seem more intimidating or smart than he already did, and it just kinda makes the tension deflate.

>>94463570
Here's what I think.

I think he's recording this whole thing so he can paint the picture in the media later in a way that works in his favor.
A dangerous murderer killed guards of the prime minister forcing him to call in one of the local heroes to take him down.

>>94463570
oh ok i thought you meant the OPs comment
anyway it was supposed to. it was to slightly deflate the tension before ratcheting it back up with V appearing

>>94463141
rip Rambo

>>94463730
i think the stakes here are only really middling for Fred
i mean yes its possible his reputation in Canopy will be beyond repair but remember hes a high ranking agent of an extra dimensional agency. its possible he completely botches this and has to leave Kit and Poppy behind and move his family into the veil

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>>94463141

>>94463730
The hologram angle doesn't really help or hurt that plan.

>>94463731
I *get* it. It's just like...why though? This only spans two pages. It isn't entertaining or anything, it just unhypes the crowd and asks them to get rehyped. Could have just as easily cut from the page of Kit fleeing to Freddy's pincushion maneuver, stepping towards Chico, and then getting snuck up on by the teleported in Valente. Just have Halia looking in from the corner as Freddy heads towards Chico and bam, you have all the details in half the space without the random whiplash.

I don't know, it's just so strange given Morbi's big complaint is that he can't move quickly enough with the comic format.

>>94463829
But Chico might not know that, or it might be his objective to just make Fred fuck off somewhere for a while.

Or it might be part of the plan to force Fred to go into the veil and then they can get a tentacle in through as well.

I don't know, there's always some plan within a plan within a plan wrapped in several layers of convoluted contingencies with these types.

>>94463141
SICK BURN IMMINENT!

>>94463945
Underrated.

>>94463141
Oh boy hopefully he can Purge all his magic before it's too late.

>>94463141
I find myself losing interest in this comic. I signed up for cute possum mom adventures and lately it's just endless politics and forced lesbian drama. Maybe I'll give it a break for a few months and come back to see if the story has gone anywhere.

>>94464706
It isn't going back.

Morbi's explained in the threads before that he didn't see the early chapters as individual adventures but as stepping stones to get into the meat of the drama. He's made it very clear that he's going to continue doing things like this and the switch to the illustrated novel format in a few weeks is meant to facilitate doing that without burning himself or his audience out.

>>94464765
RIP poppy then, the art was the saving grace here and taking that away ain't gonna help.

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*it was just a hologram*

What's the name? I tried reverse image search on OPs image and got nothing

Next page Poppy puts Valente in traction while asking where kit has gone off to.

>>94463141
Morbi sure knows how to do cliffhangers.

>>94464974
http://www.poppy-opossum.com/

>>94464925
While I personally prefer "several small adventures while the overarching plot is the thread tying them together" for this kind of story, I don't think the shift inherently hurts the comic. I'd prefer it be the other way, but it can still be good while focusing on relationships, politics, deep lore and battles.

My issue is more with the way it's being presented. I'm sick of the pacing. The last two chapters have been mostly "here's what we have to do to move the plot forward" and fluff. I'd be fine taking longer to get there if it wasn't as boring. Gimme something fun.

>>94463141
Friederich can't lose. Valente's strength is fucking up magic users, and he's fighting against someone that uses magic only to complement his fighting abilities.

Dude can wield swords with his feet, as demonstrated against Poda. He should be able to slice him in half without the extra magical arms.

>>94464940
Me too, anon.
Me too.

>>94464925
There'll still be art.
Think of it as a light novel

>>94467031
>Think of it as a light novel
I thought you were trying to cheer anon up.

So anything interesting happen in this series yet? I stopped reading when Poppy and that Fox Queen started to "date"

>>94467636
the only interesting thing happening is the fight going on in OP which was mostly offscreen
its only going to get shittier since the lazy fuck incharge thinks the drama and not the art is the comics saving grace

>>94467636
That was only last chapter, so no, not much has happened. Kit has been using illegal shit to cure her dad. When confronted with this, she ran away. Freddyhas orders on high to kill her if it means stopping this, so right now he's tearing through the nooks of Chicadino, who set all this in motion in the first place.

...when I say it like that I realize how little I care about Chico as an antagonist.

>>94467676
Oh don't be a baby.

>>94467590
an illustrated chapter book then
like captain underpants

>>94465420
Valente's Lucky Star works by converting magic to flame, including Valente's own magic. He's still at an extreme disadvantage being so close.

>>94467799
That's because, barring any later development, Chico is functionally a lackey for something greater. He represents an immediate danger, not necessarily a major or long-term one.

>>94467636
Shit is just now starting to pick up.

>>94468292
>Chico is functionally a lackey for something greater.
Yeah, and so was Jagi in Fist of the North Star, Dalton in Chrono Trigger, Jack in Xiaolin Showdown, Megatron in Transformers (at a certain point in certain storylines), Shredder in TMNT, etc. Difference is I care about them. They're interesting because they add entertaining dynamics to the conflict.

Chico's kinda boring. He's not even a terribly effective "stand in the shadows and laugh" antagonist. Shit, I'd even compare Dr. Claw favorably, at least he had some mystery around him and functioned as a joke on the cliche.

>He represents an immediate danger, not necessarily a major or long-term one.
Which is why "lol I wasn't even here" is so lame.

>>94464706
>forced lesbian drama
Doesn't seem forced to me, that relationship made sense from what we know of those two character's backgrounds.

>>94468837
Not them and forced isn't the right word, but I think it's telling that several readers thought the sudden hookup at the end of last chapter was just a joke. They kinda jumped from an friendly relationship to lovers real damn fast.

>>94463141
How can Valente be magically teleported if he uncontrollably turns all magic that touches him into fire?

>>94468837
It went from "Boris is hitting on Poppy and she seems somewhat receptive" to "Have I mentioned I am a lesbian today?" pretty abruptly.

>>94469003
I'd assume because it's not instantaneous. Like, medical magicks need to take time, but teleportation is instant.

>>94463348
His arm.....

>>94469031
She's bi.
Also I was surprised when Boris ended up...not really mattering. He was cool and became their friend and...promptly fell off screen. Seems like a waste.

>>94469031
Poppy has been hinted at as being bi since very early in the comic.

>>94467636
Why did you put "date" in quotation marks

>>94468749
Chico has a greater problem in that he's already been flagged for getting fucked royally. We know the Spectre of Fate is powerful and untrustworthy and Chico is strutting around like he owns the place while working for them. I think the real issue is that Chico doesn't really have a lot of appearances or development. Morbi really should have had an arc between him getting appointed prime minister and the current one to develop him as an antagonist.

>>94469222
That's part of the bigger structural problem with Poppy: Morbi's ideas are too damn big. We're years in and apparently like 1/5 done or some shit. There's too many plot points to push through with the way it's set up. Too much rushing to "when it gets good" and not enough development to make the road there entertaining unto itself.

He'd either have to back off on full speed plot dump or compromise on nuance and character focus to tell a larger scale story if he wanted to keep doing this as a comic.

>>94468978
>several readers thought the sudden hookup at the end of last chapter was just a joke.
It was so sudden. I mean even if I had thought Poppy was Bi beforehand I still would have thought it was a joke.
I never saw any buildup or sexual tension or anything. It turned out their growing friendship was secretly romantic.

>>94464940
*teleports behind you*

>>94469383
What he should do, combined with his burnout, is simply script the comic, maybe do layouts, and hire a separate artist. He's perfectly willing to take months long hiatuses, why not take some time off to write out a couple of chapters, hire an artist, then resume the comic? If he alternated artists he'd be able have everything done and ready to go months in advance once he got started.

>>94469446
Just because you didn't see a car coming doesn't make it not real when it hits you.

>>94469446
The main thrust of the chapter was to send them towards a romance. That's mostly why it feels like a joke too; it's almost lampooning how transparent the comic is being. Jumping straight from teassiring someone to LET'S BE A COUPLE is comical.

>>94469627
Because then things get complicated, he doesn't 100% own his work anymore, he barely gets paid as is, etc.

Still surprises me he doesn't write at least three chapters in advance given how big the story is.

>>94469653
The entire joke of the chapter was setting up the audience to believe Petunia was going to be comically blown out for assuming only to reveal that she was technically right all along.

>>94469810
But, again, it's a punchline so people don't take it seriously.

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>tfw Poppy peaked at the tournament arc

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>>94469846
>tfw fun is dead and we will never get a sequence like meeting Mary again.

>>94469830
It being comedic doesn't diminish its validity as a plot point. Seeing two characters explicitly say they plan to start dating and being surprised when they later do is just stupid.

>>94469901
>>94469846
>Good artist tries to make a fun comic
>Their own self loathing takes hold and ruins everything by becoming an outlet for said self loathing.

I swear to god it's always the furry comics too.

>>94469970
Nah there's plenty of non furry comics about self loathing and hating life. There are regular threads on how bland they are
If you want a furry comic that has yet to take itself seriously you might as well read Foxdad

>>94469907
It's about the extremity, not the action. Like ai said, the whole chapter seemed to be moving towards setting up a future relationship. When Kit shouts "LET'S GET MARRIED!!" and her retainer tells her she's delirious, the audience assumes this is a joke and it's simply a budding romance.

Suddenly jumping to "okay she's moving in now" is an unexpected leap forward that the audience is conditioned to not expect because the intensity of their flirting had just been played off as a joke. It's a matter of escalation and suddenness, not their hooking up at all.

>>94469970
I feel like it's okay as long as the change comes past the halfway point. A darker final act leading into a melancholy ending is awesome.

>>94469712
I'm talking about a work for hire contract with an artist, like what you see with Big 2 comics. The artist gets a flat rate or fee with no concession to owning characters.

>>94470185
Morbi is poor and isn't a company. Shit can get dicey fast.

>>94470256
You have the legal contract drawn up first. Work for hire contracts are pretty commonplace so it's not like he's in uncharted legal territory. As for money, he just needs to spend a year or two churning out porn until get gets a sustainable Patreon going.

>>94470351
Dude just wants to tell his story faster.

>Trusting in someone's project to turn out good when it's this ambitious and sprawling.

This webcomic is a failure, going to to novel format is just a defensive tactic by Morbi. If he got burnt out drawing, who's to say he won't quit again?

As for the update, I don't really give a fuck about Freddy, he''s a rather unlikeable character who's clearly working for an evil force, with only one running joke for him because all Morbi understands is anime slapstick. Valente is a jobber, so he'll get killed easily.

Never trust someone who puts lesbians into their comic to make a quality product, especially one who fetishizes them and indulges in demeaning dead lesbian tropes.

>>94471325
Okay.

>>94463141
Huh. I interpreted the previous page as a setup for the sheep guy to be some kind of badass that duels Freddy, but turns out he was in the story just to show Hallia sneaking around.

Okay he seems to know Freddy so he's a palace guard working for mob, so perhaps he's there to highlight corruption in the system too?

>>94471325
okay

>>94463141
>That last guard was on his last day on work
>He just heard fighting break out and was trying to defuse the commander he respected
>He was just doing his job as a palace guard
>Fredriech callously murders him
go valente

>>94471325
>>Trusting in someone's [pet] project to turn out good when it's this ambitious and sprawling.
>going to to novel format is just a defensive tactic by Morbi. If he got burnt out drawing, who's to say he won't quit again?
At least you got these parts right.
Too bad the rest of your post is silly.

>>94471745
I think he was just the guy they put at the door to keep any civvies from wandering in.

>>94471854
Freddy isn't a good character. He's just one joke, and all of the characterization that's supposed to make us like him is offscreen, what we have seen is that he's a filthy puppet.

>>94471897
I like him.

>>94471897
He's an overly paranoid war hero with a secret bloodlust who reserves his feelings for his family.

>>94471897
I can't entirely disagree as I don't think most of the cast has been well established.
The rest of your post is still silly.

>>94472009
Ditto. I think he's a good character, and that anon is just looking for stuff to complain about.

>>94469446
>It turned out their growing friendship was secretly romantic.
how do you romantic relationships begin anon?

>>94469123
he's a pit fighter who babysits for her some time
quelle surprise, hes not eating up screen time

>>94472130
Don't you know you're legally required to spend at least two months openly pining that the other party will never notice you and getting into embarrassing hijinks before you can start a relationship?

>>94472164
It seemed weird to even bother with them becoming friends and having that little bit about babysitting Lily if he's that irrelevant, given the size of the cast.

>>94469846
Poppy threads are a reliable source of good opossum reference pics.

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>>94472265
Poppy's the reason I don't treat opossums like vermin, and why I want to track one down for a photo shoot one of these days.

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What the sweet fuck is even going on anymore?

>>94472228
he's an ancillary character who was a boss fight that one time

the way people keep dissecting the writing in this comic is weird. the existence of side characters is wasted potential and time. romance is dumb and or poor cause its not developed the way they want. these villains aren't threatening because they aren't presented like i want them too be.
i dont think half of you can differentiate poor writing from "not exactly what i want of expect"

>>94472521
Don't forget people decrying the writing for being predictable even though they're constantly wrong about what happens next.

>>94472521
>>94472595
>Matpat browses /co/

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>>94469846
>started reading when the most recent page was the very start of Poppy vs. Boris

Imagine my excitement

I'm still gonna be salty if he gets beat by a blindside attack. I mean especially after he just fucking killed like 20 people.

>>94471897
What we have seen is an emotionless killing machine. The queen basically just called him a monster a few pages ago. Freddy is still an interesting character, wouldn't say has deep or complex but still decent.

>>94472839
Well Valente is a fucking powerhouse who now has the drop on Freddy. Safe to say it doesn't look good for Fred.

>>94467636
Triggered you pretty hard, did it?

>>94472839
Freddy killed all those people using magic, Valente just has to touch it and Fred's lit up like a christmas tree. Valente's power makes him one of the scariest fuckers in this setting when he's not getting blindsided by freakishly strong opossums.

>>94472521
They're just shitters who hold a grudge against Morbi personally, and try to nitpick the comic to death. Don't listen to them, they're impossible to please.

>set-up as a badass
>currently being a badass in an action scene with no tension
>child character has a crush on him
>has a wife and children, unseen
>larger plot hasn't advanced in some time
>Morbi

Yeah, Freddy's going to die. Only thing that could have made it more obvious is if he'd been going around showing everybody a picture of the sailboat he plans to buy when he retires in two weeks.

>>94470074
>>94473404

foxdad is beautiful and pure and i will fight you if you think you can insult it

>>94463829
>hes a high ranking agent
No, he's not. He's near the bottom of the rung. Remember the human chick freaked out when she realized she'd told him something off-hand that was actually waaaay above his paygrade

>>94473478
Freddy is a skilled swordsman with out the magically limbs. Yes he can't use magic in this fight, but I seriously doubt he needs to. The guy is dangerous without the magic. Kit said her father told her how Freddy butchered 20 men in the fight that he lost his arm. So he probably wasn't even using magic at that time.

>>94473634
This. The Veil is totally going to throw him to the wolves when the Canopy situation blows up, blaming it all on him.

>>94473596
I don't think Fred is going to die, but he is definitely going to suffer somehow. I think Morbi likes making characters suffer more than he likes killing them off.

>>94473553
This. Weird autistic creepy 4channers. Why I always stay anonymous.

>>94473708
I don't think that's true - the blame will never come to them anyway, since they're a ghost organisation.
But I also don't think he's got any massive back-up ready. I don't think the Veil would go out of their way to save him.

He is basically expendable.

>>94473930
>basically expendable

Oh I don't believe either of those things. Obviously he's low level in their operations, but I think they're grooming him for the big leagues. It doesn't seem the sort of thing that has a lot of recruits. They'll be pissed when he's killed. Probably scared.

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>>94463141
Played like a damn fiddle by the oldest trick in the book.

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>>94474079
Looking back, the projectors were there the whole time too.

>>94475206
his wing looks like a dick

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>>94475206
Goddamnit how the hell did we not see that?

>>94475433
Because Morbi is a clever girl :)

>>94475206
>>94475433
>>94475540
>We lose this forever because Morbi's switching to a paneled novella style
Sad!
but yeah if it means more content and Morbi doesn't feel creatively bankrupt, than I'm fine with it

>>94475635
No comic has ever survived a change into illustrated novel format

>>94475635
morbi solved the leave 3 months to draw porn problem by making it so he barely has to draw at all
the genius

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>>94475754
i'm sure when he reaches the problem of not being bothered to write he'll solve it by not doing anything at all

>>94475635
it also probably means more porn!

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Patreon Text
> In which it's time to cut back to Poppy, probably.

>>94471816
he's clearly not some palace guard and he has a stunstick charged up

>>94478206
He knows Freddy so he's at least ex-guard or crooked.

>>94473612
Foxdad is great. The groan-worthy dad humour plus the artist being completely candid about fursuits looking out of place has a really unusual synergy that just work together. If it was a comic about anthros it would be trash and it wouldn't work with just a normal dad

>>94472521
>>94473553
>>94473727

>People are criticizing [Thing I Like].
>I should insult them instead of explaining why they're wrong.
But for real, come on. I've got plenty of problems with the comic, but that doesn't make me an autistic nitpicking creep. If you don't agree with people posting their opinions, why don't you just engage them?

>>94472521
>i dont think half of you can differentiate poor writing from "not exactly what i want of expect"

Poor writing is writing that doesn't meet or manage the audience's expectations

>>94473553
>Don't listen to them, they're impossible to please.

Being impossible to please is a sign of having high standards

>>94481306
Not necessarily. You can be a grump instead. Difference is whether you can back up your opinions with logic and accept that you might be wrong.

>>94480820
because they're fucking ignorant?
I don't know, dude. I'm just passing by, I swear

>>94469048
so shouldn't he spontaneously combust?

>>94475679
He will lose a big chunk of his reader base, yeah, but if he somehow is able to capture the Prequel charm with a good written paragraph:art ratio, then it may very well survive.

Just the charm and nothing else, pls.

>>94482138
I'm gonna give Morbi the benefit of the doubt and say it takes long enough that only his surface area lights up from a teleport and he's resiliant/used to that shit. Otherwise he'd be screaming in pain.

>>94482073
>because they're fucking ignorant?
Please tell me you're not serious.
You couldn't possibly have just said that without noticing your very next sentence is basically "I'm ignorant."

>>94480820
Even if Morbi changed everything to your liking you'd just come up with new excuses to hate the comic, because you hate Morbi's persona and attitude.

>>94479168
Isn't Friedrich some famous war hero?

>>94482796
Yes.

>>94482744
Oh that's a spicy opinion. Wrong, but very spicy.

Morbi has politely replied to my feedback more than once. I disagree with how he's been operating, but that doesn't mean I begrudge him and I don't post because I dislike people. If that was the case I'd be making daily threads to talk shit about Aaron Diaz.

I didn't LIKE the Gang War or Dragon Fight chapters, but I never said the comic was bad. I voiced my opinions in these threads, because they're *discussion* threads, but I didn't say the writing was bad. Even now that I think the writing actually is falling into a lot of novice writing pitfalls I don't hate it, I just try to discuss what I think is causing problems in this thread. Morbi doesn't agree with me and I have no illusions of changing his mind, but I don't see why I can't discuss grievances in the threads or how this makes me a hater or whatever.

So instead of throwing insults at anyone who has problems with something you like, maybe you could try discussing things with them. Who knows, your wild, baseless accusations might just be wrong!

>>94483040
>I didn't LIKE the Gang War
That's some real shit taste you got there.

>>94483149
Best of the worst as far as I'm concerned. There's a bunch of elements I really like (smuggling couple, the gangs fighting over Poppy, Fazzi and her power, the way Chico is introduced and little things like his daughter, etc) but the way they're utilized is messier and doesn't flow as well as the four stories that came before. It feels like a bunch of setup and elements Morbi wanted but forgot to get out of the way (which is exactly what it is).

It's not bad or anything and I get that it was rushed, but the three preceding major chapters did the same kind of setup more organically in my opinion. Just "ehhh" instead of good.

>>94472449
-The queen has been doing illegal experiments with the blood of gods
-Friedrich is a double-agent for an organization that somehow has more authority than the queen
-Chicadino just played everyone like a fiddle and now has wiretapped all electrical devices in the city
-Friedrich found him out and is now going to die for it, probably

>>94483512
>has wiretapped all electrical devices in the city
NEVER gonna get over him tapping all electricity in the city. It's so silly. May as well have tapped the concept of air.

>>94482737
likewise, there's no way you didn't realize he wasn't being serious.

sorry, you don't get to be smug.

>no one remembers who the guard is

He's the guy who was giving Poppy and Lily a tour of the castle when the Specter's Witch killed him.
They brought him back but noted he was in fact quite dead. It's unlikely he was affiliated with Bird Brains over here, rather he was just a guard in over his head thinking Fred had gone rogue, and Fred had neither the time or desire to try and defuse the situation to a sentient zombie.

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>>94483782
That's not Gustaff you racist fox. It just looks a lot like him.

>RIP: Sheep Thug Who Looked Kind Of Like Gustaff 2017-2017

>>94483719
...what?

>>94483849
Arr rook same

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>>94483782
Zombie Gustaff was pushed down the stairs almost 100 pages ago

>>94484014
Damn I guess I'm retarded then.

>>94480820
i do, almost always when pops up in these threads. they tend to bend even further backwards as to why their personal like and dislikes would be met and my Morbi is obviously a bad writer for not doing it.
it doesn't help that like two thirds of them tend to be the type that are mad about romance, or that the plot isnt going as they expected and therefore its bad, or characterizations aren't to their liking.
like i said it isnt so much criticism as people being mad that comic isnt measuring up to their personal likes and dislikes.

>>94481294
that is so very false as it not only expects a given audience to be homogeneous in taste but means that any writing that pleases its audience, like twilight or 50 Shades of Grey, is good

>>94475679
once of the most popular webcomics in the last few yeas was basically just a novel with a picture every few updates

>>94483592
he didnt tap the electricity, he tapped the power grid.

>>94484330
It sounds like you're conflating the continuation of discussion (IE, the dissenting party not immediately folding) with egomaniacs being unable to comprehend their opinions aren't fact.

Are you this poster?
>>94472521
If you are, you indirectly commented on my argument (Chico is pretty dull) and accused me of just shitting on it because I don't like it instead of engaging me.

>>94484683
I am! but i wasn't throwing shade at you specifically. i mean i do disagree Chico is a great version of a mob boss with a legit cover, i mean he's the prime minister for fucks sake and owns enough land and business to sneak his rather blatant crimes under the blanket of business as usual. his ability to stay a step ahead makes him legit threatening even when he himself is being directly the threatened ala the climax of the gang war chapter but also knows when to pull his cards. on top of there are the subtle hints that he's working with a MUCH bigger bad guy. one bent on more than winning political squabbles and mob activities, making his long game much more menacing.
but vague complaints about a given antagonist not being cool/interesting/ect are way to common and tend to fly in the face of the actual comic and i find it exasperating.
id accuse you of confusing interesting with "cool". Chico isn't very "Cool" hes a mob boos who plays it safe, letting lackey and his own plans play for him. but that actually makes his a great antagonist for our punch first and ask questions later protagonist. doubly so since despite earning his personal ire, Chicos long game is so far beyond Poppys ken

>>94482737
>>94483863
I wasn't being serious with the 'I don't know' part and he's making fun of you because the shit joke slip right past you

>>94463141
I thought people couldnt use any kind of magic on valente because it would just burst into flames

>>94486007
You just can't use healing magic because it would slowly cook his insides.

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>>94486007
According to Morbi the original spell still works, it's just that it now has a bunch of fire associated with it. With teleportation it's like walking through a wall of fire for a second. He'll get singed, but he can still teleport.

With healing magic though apparently it has to be applied for hours at a time, so it would be like he would be on fire or have fire in his body for a few hours, which would obviously be lethal.

>>94473715
watch him lose his other fucking arm and go full doublemagic

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>>94486129
I dunno, I think he's basically out of magic right now. That spike attack likely depleted most of it, and gambas don't really have a high magic pool to begin with. I think Chicadino and Valente were holding back, allowing Friedrich to waste his magic and energy on hired thugs before Chicadino sends Valente after him.

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>Finally get to see Valente fuck some shit up

Aw yis

>>94484940
>[CheepCheep's Background]
Yeah, it's a good setup, but that's the problem. It's all background. As far as I'm concerned he could be the God Emperor of All Birds, but what makes an antagonist interesting is how they (or their presence) influence the conflict and alter the dynamics of the story. Which is the perfect segway into
>id accuse you of confusing interesting with "cool".
this bullshit.

Check what I had to say in the thread, man.
>>94468749
Dalton. Jack Spicer. Fucking Shredder, as in the 80's cartoon one. None of these characters are "cool." Shredder's a big fucking bitchbaby and acts like Krang's housewife. They're interesting because of how they influence the narrative. Shredder rarely takes direct action himself, but his distinct personality and the back-and-forth conflict between his schemes and the turtles is fun.

Chicadino has the POTENTIAL to be interesting, you're right...but the story hasn't acted on it despite him being around for well over 100 pages. He's not strained or directly in danger or even really creating unique interactions with the cast. He's playing the role of the faraway, unreachable baddie but WE KNOW he's just a lesser antagonist. So when everything is as good as already won for him each time we see him, he doesn't put himself at risk, he doesn't act cautious or cowardly, he just...is kinda there? The best we got was him getting pissy that his plant didn't get the ambassador role. If he was just THE antagonist it'd be a slow burn, but he's not; could just swap him for Poda real easy. Like, with all its pacing problems, Xenogears did a better job with this using the straw-king of Aveh.

Another anon suggested that there should be another conflict with Chico between these last two chapters and I sort of agree, but at the same time Morbi wants to increase the pace. It's a difficult problem that would necessitate a rewrite. Again, it's not that I dislike the character, it's that his implementation is lacking in impact.

>>94486336
>He's not strained or directly in danger or even really creating unique interactions with the cast.
him not being strained or in direct danger is a big part of his character. its part of the whole Mob Boss motif! he's got people like Valente and Fazzi and innumerous thugs to do the dirty work, hell even his Lucky Star is themed as a distant and hands off way of getting one over one people. his threat comes from wide reach and many hands and plans, he's not supposed to be the type to get in a risky face first encounter
and also almost all his interaction with the character have been unique, with Kit he's almost like a member of her family, he trades stories about good and funny times her father with others. with poppy he's absolutely amicable with the slight hint of threatening due to the animosity they have one another. with Fred there's a smug sense of barely contained contempt because of the obstacle he represents to him on multiple fronts.
and i gotta wonder where you get the whole "hes a lesser antagonist" thing. says who. Poda may represent a more fantastical threat but Chico is currently trying to wrest a kingdom from a monarchy and is working for the same mysterious force that Poda does. and his organization is at the heart of a smuggling ring using impoverished and prosecuted citizens to smuggle highly sensitive chemicals in and out of the kingdom, some of which are sent to the queen. just because his villainy isnt IN YOUR FACE doesn't make it moot.

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>>94487157
Paragraphs, motherfucker.

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I just want Morbi to use the illustrated-novel format to its full potential and give each character a whole lot more characterization. Like dive into a characters thoughts and show us what think of a certain situation or character.
Also maybe the format will allow for more chances of interactions and longer interactions. Take for example Lily being suspended from school. Instead of a few lines of dialogue between Poppy and Nora we could have both of them talk about the situation at length, maybe have Poppy tell Nora about what she feels the issue with Lily is and maybe have Nora learn more about how a opossum views life and what struggles their short lifespan would have.

Also I wouldn't mind Morbi going on little tangents about the lore of the Poppyverse. Like if Poppy arrives at a flying city, perhaps he could take a few paragraphs and like, a illustration or two to briefly describe the history of the place.

>>94487524
This, goddamn.
If the comic needs anything, it's some depth.

>>94487524
the novel format give a giant excuse for more exposition that a comic wouldn't allow, no doubt that tangents on characters and world building will be a thing.
otherwise it'd just be a script

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This comic went downhill faster than fucking schumacher after "bigger-queen-why-the-fuck-she-is-not-the-ruler-of-the-empire" appeared.

>>94488233
I don't think Vix correlates to a downward trend.
On the other hand, your joke was funny.

>>94488233
>"bigger-queen-why-the-fuck-she-is-not-the-ruler-of-the-empire"
The fuck kind of complaint is this? Why would you expect Kit's sister to be the Empress of the entire world?

>>94488396
Yeah, she doesn't, she was just the last point before shit went to hairy arse for fucking months my drunken mind could remember.

>>94488402
Not the the empress of the /entire/ world anon-kakka, just the canid empire.

Unless I remember incorrectly and the canines have control of all, that is? Anyhow. Until morbi introduces the power that can beat hers, she is the end-all-be-all of furry royal KGB and could probably just demand the crown. (Of course, I don't remember what the hell kind of drawback her Lucky Star had[I don't even remember if i was mentioned, either])

>>94488596
>Not the the empress of the /entire/ world anon-kakka, just the canid empire.
The Canine Empire covers most of the world, yeah.

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>>94488636
Oh dang, I remembered it was just something like USA-sized or something. Because there was stuff like Not-France(Trance) and shit.

>>94487514
there are paragraphs

>>94472021
...he's Batman?

>>94473695
80.

>>94486336
I'm not really part of this conversation but I feel like his interactions with Petunia are some of his strongest character moments for what kind of person he is. Specifically when he made her mad enough to drop her pacifism for a second.

I feel like he hasn't been put in any danger because he is particularly cautious of things he perceives as big threats and likes to do things in the background.

>>94486124
So morbi changed how the lucky star works for plot convenience because what it should have done is turn the portal into fire when he touches it, not "oh he can get through it just also gets set on fire but is otherwise intact (^:"

>>94491117
That doesn't really sound unreasonable at all.

>>94491210
Why didn't he teleport in to fight the fucking dragon then? He had to fly over there because it was deemed teleportation magic wouldn't work on him

>>94491310
So he's like a worse version of possums?
Instead of just negating magic all magic he comes across he sets it ablaze?

Although if that were true he couldn't use the magic bird hands without them being permanently on fire.

>>94491310
>He had to fly over there because it was deemed teleportation magic wouldn't work on him
I read the dragon chapter again and it says absolutely nothing about that.

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>>94491762
In fact, I just looked it up and this exact question was answered on the Poppy blog around the same time that story was going.

Where exactly are we supposed to go once it becomes a novel? Don't think /co/ will like it with literature being posted here instead of it being a comic and /trash/ is just shitpostting central everytime with these threads.

>>94491870
if prequel and homestuck can fit /co/s definition so will Poppy
pop will still have images and comic'd fight scenes

>>94489480
You're supposed to put spaces between them so people can read what you post comfortably, you chode.

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>>94491117

>Morbi keeps changing the rules within his story
>Morbi is planning to turn his story into a light novel
>Morbi has an inconsistent update schedule due to personal shit he can't handle
>Mfw Morbi believes he will do better making all these changes

Where were you when Poppy was kill?

>>94489894
You're not wrong, and I completely forgot about that for some reason. Definitely the best moment he's had.

>>94493738
>>94493874
>Morbi keeps changing the rules within his story
actually that was proven to be false.

>>94463141
he gonna die for sure now, right

>>94493874
>Morbi keeps changing the rules within his story
Such as?

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>>94494168
Freddy hasn't had enough of an arc of suffering to die just yet. He's just gonna lose that other arm.

>>94494282
Just people getting confused and/or nitpicking the "magic-to-fire" thing valente deals with.

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>>94494168

Too easy.

>>94494157
You misquoted, m8.

>>94486231
inb4 a naked poppy swats him aside like an empty soda can as she barrels down the hallways.

>>94494796
whoops

>>94494796
so we all agree that big bad Valente getting humiliated every time Poppy is near would be hilarious

>>94491400
The bird hands are not touching him, just the device that projects them.

He in fact can set them on fire at will as they are really close (He did that to threaten Petunia), but to have the unwliling insta-burst effect it seems the magic has to touch him.

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>>94495117
>>94495203

>>94495117
I want this.

>>94495117

It wouldn't work again now that she's not sucker punching Valente. He can set Poppy's surroundings on fire and let her fry while keeping his distance.

>>94497599
He's inside a building. His flying advantage is gone and he's inside the the place too so he risks just has much of burning alive. He uses fire magic, but he's not fire proof.

>>94463890
Thank GOODNESS, I was worried for a sec no one would post this.

>>94491830
makes sense to me

>>94494168
You can't suffer if you're dead.

>>94463141
>VVVVVV

Shit game, not surprised Morbi referenced it.

>>94498090
that'd be 25$.

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got bored at work

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i thought morbi was going to stop doing the webcomic?

>>94498435
Very noice. Love the expressions.

I wish I wasn't such a lazy bum sometimes and still drew for this thread a little.

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>>94498718
thanks! I wished I had my computer handy again (alongside the time my daytime job takes as per usual lately) and maybe I'd drop something a bit nicer.

here's part 2 in case anyone minds.

>>94498090
>*Best game
there, fixed it for you.

>>94463890
>>94497764
First thought.

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you know something I don't, 4chan?

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>>94498508
No, he's switching to a illustrated novel format. Basically Poppy is gonna be the same format as the Magical Death Winter Special, except with way more illustrations.

>>94500525
and it will stop being /co/

How much patreon $$$ is Morbford going to lose with this transition?

>>94500679
probably a decent sized chunk

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>>94500679
I don't think he'll lose much. He was at around $350 an update before he announced the format switch and now he's hovering around $420.

As long as their is a decent amount of illustrations in the new format (not like 1 a update), I doubt people are gonna lose much interest in Poppy/

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>Poppy AU in which Friedrich is a bit too bloodthirsty and Gustaff is a bit too unlucky.

>>94498851
Poppy fanart tends to be better than Poppy official art

>>94469205
Rushed development with little hints of a meaningful relationship? You know, the Flame Princes pitfall.

Hell, is there any story where the romance between characters isn't detrimental to the quality of the story while also not being the focus?

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Anyone else kinda hoping that Poppy gets the gangs (plus Boris) together and they rush Chicadino's place to take him out/rescue Charlie?

>>94502773
There's barely 5 pages left of this chapter so I doubt it and if that does happen it's going to be in the shitty new novel format and we'll lose out on all the details that sort of scenes would have.

>>94502806
Wait, new novel format?

>>94503033
It's like you purposefully haven't read single thing said in all the threads for last couple of months or all messages on the site of each new update about moving formats.
http://poppy-opossum.tumblr.com/post/161826780699/re-the-future-of-poppy

>>94498435
Well, why does she?

>>94498851
It takes talent to just draw that in ink.

>>94502348
>is there any story where the romance between characters isn't detrimental to the quality of the story
Yes, ple-
>while also not being the focus?
...
no

>>94504788
she insists that getting coughing fits and all that while having perfectly normal food to eat is comparable to the reaction people have when they eat spicy food, like 'for the thrill of it', when in reality she can't even digest the thing.