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ITT: Comics that everyone pretends are good but are actually shit

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ITT: Comics that everyone pretends are good but are actually shit
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>>90548241
yes

>>90548352
No. You just have shit taste.
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>>90548385
Flip both of those and you would be correct.
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>>90548385
Shit is an exaggeration, but the only noteworthy aspect is the Ross art. Completely forgettable plot which is a shame because Waid was good back then.
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>>90548241
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>>90548352

Even though the comic was mediocre I still bought it for the art.
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>>90548453
>Completely forgettable plot

This is complete nonsense
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Every comic with Alex Ross interiors belongs in here.
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>>90548352
fpbp
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>>90548461

I always just assumed Hush was like Syder's Batman in that plebs love it but everyone whose read more than 5 Bat comics knows that it's overrated shit. It's a mystery that ends with a full issue of the villain literally explaining the entire story to the reader.

Long Halloween and Dark Victory, on the hand, are timeless and great. Sale drawing rogues and gangsters with HEAVY black noir inking is perfecto.
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>>90548461
Did they make the villain obvious on purpose to make the "real" twist seem more clever by comparison?
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>>90548599
Those two statements do not line up.

LH and DV are the most entry level Batman shit
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Killing Joke should have been the second post.
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>>90548241
The art, yeah.

>>90548352
Nah.

>>90548419
I haven't read it.

>>90548461
Isn't it mostly disliked these days?
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>>90548411
Lol exactly
>>90548385
Invert it
>>90548241
You're retarded
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>>90548642
Fuck you
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>>90548480
It's actually fact
The premise is unoriginal ("the old ways were better") and the execution is so completely hamfisted
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>>90548736
Kingdom Come is the most Old Man on porch yelling at the kids to get off his lawn comic that exists.

And it is the worst version of that on top of it.
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>>90548633

Yes they're recommended for starters but that doesn't mean they're not great.

The art is amazing, the mysteries are tight, the characters are great, all of the rogues are used well as an ensemble, the premise of the gangsters losing the city to the freaks is a smart one and it's probably the definitive Harvey Dent story.
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>>90548352
This is the only correct answer
Shit pretends to be grandiose while conveying nothing substantive
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>>90548727
Sorry you have shit taste enough to think Killing Joke is in any way good. It's a waste of 10 dollar
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>>90548775
The mysteries in Long Halloween don't make any fucking sense, what comic were you reading?

That book is the proto Loeb book all his tropes all his trappings and the plot that doesn't make a lick of sense to boot.
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>>90548772
Yup, the themes are so poorly fleshed out
Contrast with pic related
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>>90548241
Say what you will about the comic but it made the best DC animated films
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>>90548833
Sounds like you just didn't really get it
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>>90548833

What doesn't make sense in LH?
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>>90548775
I think any backlash against LH and DV comes from people who've read Loeb's later, shittier works and when they reread his earlier Batman stuff, their mind subconsciously sees some of later Loeb's storytelling quirks. Kind of like how it's hard to read Year One and take it seriously when you know it leads into ASSBAR.
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>>90548935
The specific details in the comic about who kills who don't actually line up if you try to place it within the book.
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>>90548461
Everybody hates Hush
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>>90548904

Pretty sure that's just Miller brilliantly writing Cap trying to reconcile his beliefs with 80's Reagan foreign policy anon.

It has nothing to do with comics changing or generational shifts.
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>>90548951
Whenever you notice something like that, a wizard did it.
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>>90549009
>Cap trying to reconcile his beliefs with 80's Reagan foreign policy
>generational shifts

Yeah, that's what I was saying
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>>90549055

Oh I thought the anons meant that Kingdom Come an Old Man Logan was Waid and Millar complaining about the state of comics.
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>>90549105
Kingdom Come is that, it is only that and it does that poorly. No one has been saying it isn't that.
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>>90548461
Sad part is this is the only time people give a shit about Elliot. Art is nice, and the Catwoman stuff was cute, but its a shitty mystery for a story where one has to ask "why couldnt Riddler just be the villain from the get go?"
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>>90548951

It was Alberto Falcone and then either Harvey or Gilda or both depending on who was covering for who (which is deliberately ambiguous).

The specifics of each murder aren't explained because they don't need to be because the motivations for all of the characters is thoroughly examined and it could be any of them.
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>>90549146

Hush is a cool character despite being Dark Mirror Batman #462 so getting a good comic with Dini's Heart of Hush made me happy
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>>90549105
Kingdom Come yeah, idt Old Man Logan does that
KC whines about change in general
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>>90549174
Personally I feel like one of the key tenets to writing good mystery fiction is you walk away feeling like everything has been explained to satisfaction.

The 2 page epilogue in that book destroys all that came before.
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>>90548241
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>>90548904
I would nominate pic related too.
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>>90549218
Speaking of anti batmen, I really want Killer Moth to get a revamp. I miss the good old days when he literally was an anti batman defending crooks, not the joke he is now. Fuck Wrath, and that gary stu Prometheus
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>>90548241


/co/is so full of retarded idiots, the composition and art of that comic is fantastic and the story is great, it works as both satire of the reagan years and as a straight forward story about batman.


Fucking kids
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>>90549365

Read the the thread, only like three retards ITT are dissing DKR
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>>90549308
>Daredevil: Born Again is bad
Yeah you have shit taste
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ok friendo
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>>90549593
yep

All capeshit is trash.
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>>90549593
This isn't a company wars thread though. But we are lacking in Marvel suggestions so I'll contribute one

>cuck whines about his waifu not wanting him
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>>90548241
>it's a ledditor tries to fit in episode
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>>90550232
>actually shit
>Starlin's magnum opus
>cuck
>waifu

Please just fuck off
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>>90550232
And said cuck gains omnipotence in a really fun, large-scale cosmic tale of utter nonsense, going so far as to kill half the universe and juggle planets that spell out his name just to impress her.

I fucking love this story.
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>>90550232
>we are lacking in Marvel suggestions
It's because no one pretends Marvel comics are good

forgive me
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>>90550232
exactamundo

>>90549593
ignore the file name I'm implying marvel and dc stinks equally.
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>>90550278
>>Starlin's magnum opus
Nah.

It is good, though.
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Everyone says they love the Fourth World however when they say that they mean Mr. Miracle and New Gods

This and Superman's Pal are so incredibly boring and my eyes just fall off of those pages.
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>>90548241
you must be at least 18 years of age to use this site.
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>>90549306
You can just kys now.

Where did you get such horrible taste?

ASS may be baby's first Superman comic, but it's also the only Superman comic you will ever need.
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>>90550278
> Starlin's magnum opus
No that's Metamorphosis Odyssey
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>>90548676
Literally no one cares about your opinion you autistic faggot.
Here's your response.
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>>90550379
Swap Olsen with Miracle and I'm with you.
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>>90548241
Alias
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>>90550404
It's just not as good as people say

Off the top of my head I can name so many Superman comics that are so much better but are never talked about as frequently

Superman: Secret Identity
Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?
Superman: Red Son

All Star isn't bad (it certainly isn't trash like Birthright) but it isn't some kind of magnum opus either

It will never be what DKR is to Batman
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>>90550499
You realize saying it is only maybe the 4th best Superman comic in 70 years means it probably doesn't belong in this thread right?
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>>90550379
I agree with Forever People. But Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen is great
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>>90550420
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>>90550499
>Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?

I'll never understand the love for this one. For the Man Who Has Everything is legitimately very good, but this is just boring.
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>>90549146
Nah. Heart of Hush was another time people cared about Elliot. Much better story, too.
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>>90550461
It's bretty gud
I don't hear anyone saying it's a masterpiece but it's gud
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>>90550499
>Superman: Secret Identity
> Busiek
No thanks

Also Stuart Immonen is nothing special
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>>90548352
This.
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>>90550557
>>90550499
FUK THAT'S WHAT I MEANT TO WRITE
I read the comic in a volume with the wrong title

I agree with what you said, FTMWHE is the good one
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>>90550499
Those are all very talked about and honestly not that great. WHTTMOT is actually crap and I say that as a huge Moore fan. ASS just gets that obnoxious reputation because of idiots posting that one page over and over again because they heard it's great but the context is what truly makes it a powerful scene, and it is a powerful scene, even if it being reposted a million times kinda takes away it's punch in the long run, but if you stop and empty your mind of all the internet talk for a minute then you remember just how great it was when you first read it.
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>>90548241

Bad post.

>>90548352
>>90548461

Good post.
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>>90550573
Secret Identity is legitimately one of the best Superman comics out there.
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>>90550565
It's Bendis at his most Bendis except this time he doesn't even have a good artist.
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>>90550646
>WHTTMOT is actually crap and I say that as a huge Moore fan
I meant to say "For the Man who Has Everything" which is actually very good
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>>90550669
Read the Spidergirl arc
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Thread Hijack

Post excellent Superman Stories
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>>90550680
Oh yeah that's a good one. But it's always mentioned and I could even say that it's a tad bit overrated.
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The Killing Joke
KnightFall
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>>90550739
Not nearly as much as All Star is though
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>>90550773
Just as much actually despite being much shorter. Also it was adapted into an episode of the most popular superhero cartoon.
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>>90550733
Does ANYBODY think Kamandi was good?
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>>90550800
I think Kamandi is stellar

Way more in the camp for late Kirby than early Kirby personally.
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>>90550715
Up, Up and Away is my pleb favorite
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>>90550835
Fair enough, I generally didn't know.
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>>90548241
>>90548352
I agree with both of these.
Here's another one.
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Daredevil: The Man Without Fear
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>>90550872
I feel like people are more honest about the flaws of this now. There was a time where it was parroted as an all-time great though.
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>>90550872
Yeah, absolute trash
>>90550910
Not very good either, especially when compared to Born Again
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>>90550934
Born Again has some real problems.
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>>90550835
I like some of his 60's stuff. Mostly Captain America, Fantastic Four once Joe Sinnott starts inking, and when Thor starts to focus more on Asgard than Earth

Basically if Loki has the ludicrous sized horns it's the right era, otherwise it's Jane Foster romance drama every other issue

At some point it was like I broke through the wall and saw the charm in Lee's dialouge
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>>90550910
>Daredevil: The Man Without Fear
JRJR is a treasure and we're lucky to have him
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>>90550499
>Superman: Secret Identity
>Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?
>Superman: Red Son of all things.

>any of these above ASS

Shit taste.

>FTMWHE
Yeah that's better, still below.

>>90550773
Overrated doesn't make it bad, despite the overhype is still the best Superman story by far.
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>>90550964
Give me Kamandi and OMAC and Silver Star and Captain Victory every day of the week

Also if I had to pick an inker I think I am partial to Royer
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>>90551004
All-Star is good but it's not even Morrison's best Superman story (Superman Beyond 3D)
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>>90551019
SAY IT LOUDER SO THEY CAN HEAR IT IN THE BACK
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>>90551054
Have you read The Losers? I grabbed as many of those DC collections as I could, hoping for Demon reprint
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>>90551119
That is one I have not yet gotten around to
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>>90551059
I would actually go ahead and say ASS is underrated. Most of the praise it gets is shallow
>Oh I heard these people say this is great so I'll say this is great
>Oh I really like the plot here and there, this is great!
But all the nuances are lost. Like the structure, how the 12 issues are the 12 hours of the day.
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>>90551100
take your stupid catchphrase and your username back to tumblr
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>>90551059
>(Superman Beyond 3D
Mahnke was better there than he's been in years, but he doesn't touch Quitely
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>>90551123
No one says Flash Rebirth is good though.

>Barry Allen made me the Flash
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>>90551167
Mahnke with Morrison is great. Frankenstein was so good.
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>>90551205
I'm sorry, I can't agree. Superman and the LoSH is top tier.
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>>90551197
Mahnke is the best Justice League artist and his run with Kelly trumps em all.
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>>90551205

JSA tho
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>>90551245
>Mahnke is the best Justice League artist
Nah, Kevin Maguire
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>>90548241
Any comic with Batman and the Joker. Seriously they are both supposed to be human yet the Joker somehow escapes and survives everything. Like that one comic in New 52 where he kills all the police by walking into the precinct. Absolute bullshit.
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>>90551245
Nah, his art there looked meh.
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>>90551256
JSA sucks from the characters to the creative team

Also Starman
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>>90551205
Fuck off sure he's got god awful tonal problems (excessive amount of families with children getting slaughtered) and a bit of an overuse of dialogue but his stories are great and he really gets charged plus he's the Cereal King
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>>90551385
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>>90551385
He's the king of mediocrity, which is why he's gone so far.
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>>90551519
Genuinely the only thing of his I'd classify as mediocre is Avengers. Maybe some of the early GL.

Other stuff is very clearly good or bad.
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>>90550800

Yes.
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>>90551059
>Superman Beyond 3D
>Better than the best Superman story
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Almost nothing but shit taste in this thread,
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>that comic you like

Man, now that is some shit taste.
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>>90548419
So fucking true. Good art but god damn the story is pretentious pap.
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>>90552545
This.
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>>90550956

It's only problem is that it isn't quite as good as The Dark Knight Returns. It's literally the best story-in-continuity ever written.

Fucking hell, the plebs on this board man.

Hears some things which are actually shit but get praise:

>The Killing Joke
>Maus
>The Walking Dead

Those stories are garbage because at best they have good art but shitty writing (The Killing Joke) or bad art AND bad writing (Maus & The Walking Dead).

I was going to add Superior Spider-Man, but at least it's fun.
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>>90551205

His stuff is fun, so it isn't without its merits. Is his stuff great? God no, but it's enjoyable so I'll take it.

Also, his New 52 run on Aquaman is pretty cool.
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>>90551291

You completely miss the point of fiction don't you?

The point of fiction is stuff happening which DOESN'T happen in the real world.

Were you pissed off in Lord of the Rings when Aragorn killed a bunch of Uruk-Hai or orcs?
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The 80s dc that merge into 90s vertigo titles. Vertigo was a mediocre line for edgy writers.
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>>90553258
t. contrarian pleb
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>>90548385
>thinks KC is better than DKR
>thinks he's not the one with shit taste
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>>90550404
>Casuals defend only reading one comic for a character
Unless there is only one major comic for a character (Say Cerebus the Aardvark) you never should say there's one comic that defines the character
ASS is great though
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>>90549009
>Cap having adjusted to the new world, holding disdain while still seeing the advancements and improvements (ie learning to use computers)
>not about generational shifts
>not about how cape comics used to be literal propaganda and have changed to a genre that has become subversive and edgy
Fucking mong
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>>90548633
>LH and DV are the most entry level Batman shit

And when you go back and read them again couple of years later, you realize it was just good art wrapped around a piece of shit mystery story that barely makes sense, because Jeph Loeb can't write mysteries without making it retardedly stupid.
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>>90550872
Why did people turn on Birthright?
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>>90550800

Considering it was just a blatant Planet of the Apes knock off, it's surprisingly good.
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>>90551119

From what I've heard, Kirby's run tried turning the Losers into a kiddie friendly Hogan's Heroes version of WW2, iirc, because he didn't like the previous cynical and nihilistic tone of the book. Which sounds atrociously bad, and apparently a lot of Losers fans hated it.
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Azzarello's Wonder Woman is supremely overrated. If it weren't for Cliff Chiang's perfect pencils no one would give a good goddamn about that book, just like most Wonder Woman comics.
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>>90550705
just read Spider-Girl instead
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>>90554363
probably right after reading it
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>>90554525
oh snap!
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>>90554461

Still better than Rucka's current run. Which is probably why it's currently being a big over-praised.

Don't get me wrong, I like Azz's Wonder Woman, but I didn't love it.
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>>90554461
Chaing did maybe 50% of the book...
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>>90549174
My interpretation has always been that Gilda's explanation was true and can be taken at face value: she and Harvey were the killer. Alberto's confession, then, was a ploy to get back at his family because of his emotional baggage with them.
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>>90550232
Art is amazing and delivers on 100s of pages of actual insane fighting between beings with unbelievable and visually dynamic powers and abilities. Hate the story all you want but this shit fucking delivers on the premise
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>>90554764

Agreed. If Avengers Infinity War part 2 isn't just a two hour fight scene I'm gonna be disappointed.
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>>90550872
I just hated the fucking soul vision and Clark going vegan.

What a stupid idea.
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>>90555057

Agreed. Also his vision should also cause him a problem with eating plants too because they're alive. But whatever, it's Waid who has NEVER been good in my humble opinion.
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>>90550754
>The Killing Joke
This.
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>all these comics that are universally decided to be objectively good
>/co/ pretending to be contrarian with flimsy "it's bad because I think so" reasoning
>not even mentioning the fact OP made this thread because he was bored, had nothing original to contribute and knows this shit community only responds to SU threads and shitposting

Can you fags just kill yourselves already? I'm so glad Barneyfag is ruining this place because why the fuck do you dregs of society deserve good anything
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Most of them.
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>>90555348


All of them.
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>>90550499
>Red Son
I'll never get the love for this.
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>>90548241
Fuck you I liked it.
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>>90548241
Memender's comics.
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>>90556373
Nobody calls that shit good.
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>>90556424
You're wrong.
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>>90548461
do people really say Hush was good around here? I thought people either just said it was shit, or saw it as a sort of junk food comic - obviously terrible but still sort of enjoyable
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>>90556445

Some of the writing is okay. A lot of the internal Bruce dialogue as he reflects on his friends is actually quite good. Also, Jim Lee's art is fucking beautiful.

But yeah, the story is a dumpster fire. Tommy Eliot is a garbage villain. While I kind of dig the idea of the Riddler working out who Batman is due to Lazarus Pit chicanery the execution of that is horrid.

Like, I was kind of hoping while reading it the Ra's was going to find out who used his Lazarus Pit and go on the war path after him and Batman having to stop Ra's from killing him. That could have been cool, but nope nothing like that fucking happens.
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Overated?

Saga
I like it well enough, enough to buy the trades. But people putting it on the level of star wars is blasphemy

Underrated?

Seconds
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>>90556787
Isn't Saga really, really liberal in it's leanings?

I have a hard time enjoying a comic with a major axe to grind.
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>>90556787
>But people putting it on the level of star wars is blasphemy

Haven't read Saga yet as I'm waiting for it to finish before picking it up so I can't say for sure whether it's better or worse than Star Wars, but...

... Did you see that abomination called Force Awakens? Or that worse abomination called Revenge of the Sith? Or that absolute pile of flaming shit called Attack of the Clones?

Why do people pretend Star Wars is good? It hasn't been good for thirty fucking years?!
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>>90556802

That's like saying Romeo & Juliet is super liberal. It's about two lovers on different sides of a conflict who care more about each other than they do about the inane conflict

>Fucking Shakespeare, what a cuck! Capulets are niggers!
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>>90556807
Revenge of the Sith was pretty good.

I won't defend FA or AoTC, though.

>>90556816
I'm not talking about the star crossed lovers bit. I've seen scans that imply it's up it's own ass with feminist and trans issues.
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>>90556830
>I've seen scans that imply it's up it's own ass with feminist and trans issues.

Because they had a guy giving a girl head? Or was it two girls fucking? I can't remember exactly.

Jesus Christ people are such sensitive fucking snowflakes these days. When I was like thirteen and I found two girls fucking in my comics, I would've had a fap.

Nowadays fucking cuckold fetishists complain about EVERYTHING!
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>>90548352
100% agreed.
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Reminder that EVERY IDEA that jack kirby had and did, Shotaro Ishinomori did it better and did not get fucked in the process by big companies.

the real KING of comics.
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If these are bad, what's actually good?
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>>90556866
Maybe he's talking about a dinosaur sucking it's own cock? Or would you have fapped to that too?
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Johns JL was thoroughly bad the entire time
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>>90556830
>Revenge of the Sith was pretty good.

Mah nigga. Watching Anakin slowly break through the whole movie was pretty great and ended up being very sad. Probably one of the best SW movies besides Empire and Return.

Haven't seen FA though, but I plan on it soon. Wish me luck.
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>>90556989
Prepare for a bad remake of A New Hope.
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>>90557008

A new hope was ok, how bad could a remake of it possibly be? hahahahaha, sarcasm!
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>>90548241
all cape comics
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>>90557018
Depends. Imagine A New Hope, but instead of Luke getting trained in the force he masters it in a single scene.
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>>90557037

>that whole sentence

I'm dling it now, but that shit made me sad. Still, I like jumping space ninjas with laser swords, so maybe it'll be good for something. I've seen a few threads here and there about it, and while it sounds like shit on paper(especially the mastering of the force so goddamn quickly) it's probably worth at least one watch.
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>>90556928
I don't recall Shotaro ever depicting the grim reaper as a black man on rocket skis
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>>90556934
>Or would you have fapped to that too?

Depends? Is it a sexy dinosaur?

Like, I'm talking about me as a thirteen year old. Show me the right tree and I'd have fapped to it.
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>>90556928

Fuck off back to your retarding weaboo board.
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>>90557161
seek help
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>>90550404
>ASS may be baby's first Superman comic

but the reason it's enjoyable it's because it's a summation of 60 years of Superman. Some lore knowledge is required. Dunno why it's recommended as an entry point
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>>90557187

I'm not thirteen anymore. Or you're just a repressed and judgmental asshole. If you haven't fapped to a tree at least once, how do you know it's not your thing?
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>>90557214
Still, you should seek help.
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>>90548241
I really didnt like DKR either? I liked LH and DV aslo Hush must just have bad taste...
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>>90557064
>not using something that I cannot even fucking describe that in the real world rips pieces from fucking nowhere
>he thinks black man on rocket skies are inventive
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>>90548241
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